Mike Kafka on Kadarius Toney: "He’s done everything we’ve asked. He’s practiced hard when he’s practicing. It’s unfortunate but he’s one of those guys that does everything we asked and is working his tail off in the training room and in the meeting rooms."
I don’t assume the coaches are lying, I’m looking forward to him getting healthy and contributing to the team in the 2nd half, If he doesn’t, he doesn’t and the team moves on .
Seriously need to stop comparing him to OBJ. I can’t count how many times it’s been brought up here. As many have stated OBJ missed 4 games and was Instantly a superstar once he stepped on the field
RE: … Maybe Toney was prepping to leave like getting his passport
this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
its not just the hamgstring...its a laundry list
Aug 14, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Toney missed most of the training camp with a hamstring injury.
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney suffered an ankle injury in Week 5 loss to the Cowboys. He was good for the next game.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney aggravated his existing ankle injury in Week 6's loss to the Rams. He missed one game
Nov 22, 2021 NFL Leg Quad Strain Toney missed four games due to a quad injury.
Dec 1, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Toney missed three games due to an oblique injury.
Dec 29, 2021 NFL Shoulder Toney picked up a shoulder ahead of the Giants' Week 17 game.
May 21, 2022 NFL Knee Tear Toney underwent minor knee surgery earlier this offseason, but he is expected to be ready for training camp, Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports.
Aug 23, 2022 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney tweaked the same hamstring in practice on September 15. He played 3 days later.
May as well also throw in missing practice because his shoes didn't fit well and getting thrown out of a game and fined for punching an opponent.
Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
I am so sick of the never ending drama from this pretender. He is not serious about his NFL career, so trade him for 6th 0r 7th round draft picks. That's all this organisation will ever get out of this Gettleman mistake.
I'm done with him!
RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
its not just the hamgstring...its a laundry list
Aug 14, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Toney missed most of the training camp with a hamstring injury.
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney suffered an ankle injury in Week 5 loss to the Cowboys. He was good for the next game.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney aggravated his existing ankle injury in Week 6's loss to the Rams. He missed one game
Nov 22, 2021 NFL Leg Quad Strain Toney missed four games due to a quad injury.
Dec 1, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Toney missed three games due to an oblique injury.
Dec 29, 2021 NFL Shoulder Toney picked up a shoulder ahead of the Giants' Week 17 game.
May 21, 2022 NFL Knee Tear Toney underwent minor knee surgery earlier this offseason, but he is expected to be ready for training camp, Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports.
Aug 23, 2022 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney tweaked the same hamstring in practice on September 15. He played 3 days later.
I keep saying him and boys are laughing their asses. If thectead this read,the awful shit we say about him would them all laugh.
" Look at at all the old guys mad. I am getting rich. They either kiss my ass or I'm gonna be injured again" more laughs
Seem to finally have a coach who knows what he's doing and a GM that understands how to construct a roster.
Everyone needs to take their time to enjoy 3-1 while we have it and stop worrying about Toney until the time he can prove himself a consistent and productive member of this football team.
Don't get bogged down by stuff like this after a positive stretch.
Seem to finally have a coach who knows what he's doing and a GM that understands how to construct a roster.
Everyone needs to take their time to enjoy 3-1 while we have it and stop worrying about Toney until the time he can prove himself a consistent and productive member of this football team.
Don't get bogged down by stuff like this after a positive stretch.
I don't about. He will never doing anything meaningful with any kind of consistency. I expect him to flash big a couple times and largely do nothing
to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.
And I'm not joking.
Unfortunately, this is correct. Hamstrings are nothing to write off, but this guy is a walking CHINA DOLL. He is the definition of injury prone. Even if he has a monster day he will hurt something else. Waste of a first round pick
Giving Toney somewhat the benefit of the doubt. Dude is immensely talented but we seem to know football is his priority. He doesn’t train that hard in the offseason and shows up to training camp as is.
He then practices and plays with his style which is so dependent on stop start and quick twitch but his body isn’t accustomed to it so he inevitably gets soft tissue injuries.
This, as opposed to him intentionally getting hurt or whatever, is my guess. Either way he’s not dependable so not long for this team.
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'football is his priority'. You could have fooled me and I'm sure some others on BBI...
RE: The Plane for London leaves tonight. Maybe Toney was prepping to leave
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Anyone can see flashes of talent. Talent that we need.
HOWEVER the dude can get on the field. I don't know how bad he is injured, how hard he is working to get back, or how much he studies etc... I don't think a lot of us really do.
We are all frustrated. I hope to see him after the bye week. Hopefully he can do something that helps the team. As Eric says, hopefully he can do it for more than one game - or at least an entire game.
I get the frustration. I don't get the hate, anger, etc...
For now it is what it is, we can't control when or if he returns so personally I am past getting excited (until it actually happens) or emotionally invested.
to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.
And I'm not joking.
If he even has one dynamic game and buys us a win I’d be thrilled. Though I see your point about not expecting an encore.
Interestingly enough, if he puts up those numbers within the next 2 weeks there’s a good chance that would make him our leading receiver.
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
You are a complete fucking asswipe. Jackass, most old white guys are happy for young, rich, successful kids. Pays for our social security and medicare.
RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
So you don't like blind people, or is it just everybody and you didn't want to leave them out?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history
You seriously must have me confused with someone else, because that’s simply untrue.
It doesn’t even jive up with how I felt about those guys. Reese should have been fired instead of Coughlin, Ive never expressed an opinion about Marc Ross and this post is how I’m discovering he is black, and Fewell sucked.
Toney over the next 2+ years I look at as a bonus. He’s officially entered bust territory.
At this point it can’t just be bad luck. It’s a concerning trend and he no longer gets the benefit of the doubt from me.
My gut tells me he spent the entire off-season worrying about his rap career rather than showing up to OTAs, training, and doing the things it takes to get his body right for a rigorous NFL season.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history
You seriously must have me confused with someone else, because that’s simply untrue.
I suppose it’s possible and if that’s the case I sincerely apologize. It was definitely a Rick Flair based handle and I shouldn’t have assumed it was you, if it wasn’t. My bad. And if it wasn’t you, that other guy was annoying as hell
Way different with Simms. He was playing on a really bad team with a bad OL. Early in his career, he also did not much of a running game and not much at WR. He would get hurt trying to make plays; he’d stand in the pocket waiting for someone to free and get his butt kicked. Much different than Toney where you’d never see the play where it happened.
That said, it’s clear that he was a terrible pick, another Gettleman gift. But, until I hear the coaches say something critical, we should withhold judgement. Cutting or trading him is a bad idea until you need to. Hopefully, Robinson can play this week and Toney soon. There’s nobody that can replace him that will make a difference on this roster.
The tweet that started this discussion verges on sh!t-stirring.
IMO reporters should share what they see and what they are told. Reporting what they don't see. in this context, just opens the door to speculation and insinuation.
I just want to see where Toney is on Sunday, and what he does if he's at Spurs Stadium. The rest is noise.
RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
What kind of take is this? What an idiot.
RE: The tweet that started this discussion verges on sh!t-stirring.
IMO reporters should share what they see and what they are told. Reporting what they don't see. in this context, just opens the door to speculation and insinuation.
I just want to see where Toney is on Sunday, and what he does if he's at Spurs Stadium. The rest is noise.
This makes no sense. The fact Toney isnt there IS news
The problem with beat reporters is they no longer dig for information. Its obvious we all want to know why Toney isnt playing and many, including the writers, dont believe its just an injury situation
RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
What kind of take is this? What an idiot.
Holy shit you have to be kidding. Being white and in my early 50's I take offense to this. In fact as a parent to two mixed race kids and 2 black kids, along with 5 children who are white I can say your point is fucked up! Perhaps some of us are pissed off that a guy gets a ton of money for doing NOTHING! NADA. Taking this to the race card is pretty pathetic.
to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.
And I'm not joking.
Yeah, he needs to have an extended run of availability, with a bunch of good games, before we get excited about the guy.
@Patricia_Traina
Mike Kafka on Kadarius Toney: "He’s done everything we’ve asked. He’s practiced hard when he’s practicing. It’s unfortunate but he’s one of those guys that does everything we asked and is working his tail off in the training room and in the meeting rooms."
@Patricia_Traina
Mike Kafka on Kadarius Toney: "He’s done everything we’ve asked. He’s practiced hard when he’s practicing. It’s unfortunate but he’s one of those guys that does everything we asked and is working his tail off in the training room and in the meeting rooms."
Kafka's comments were discussed on the first page of this thread. He made them before Thursday's practice and gave no indication of being aware of any issue that would keep Toney out of practice. In fact, he spoke positively about the explosion he was seeing from Toney.
Kafka's "it's unfortunate" comment was about past history, not about what played out Thursday afternoon.
When the beats get their shot, we'll see what the coaches say (and don't say) about the latest turn of events.
RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
Toney hasn't played enough to get an overuse injury. These soft tissue issues from practicing is just an indication of how poorly their bodies are trained for this game. He hasn't done shit and blew his hammy. That's a completely solvable issue for real trainers. Sprinters blow hammies when they do not warm up and try to apply explosive force. Clearly the guy is not balanced or flexible
RE: RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
Wow racism in Lake George is alive and well
I don't think LakeGeorgeGiant feels that way, I think his perspective is that others do.
Regardless, I don't care if Toney raps or has tattoos. It's what he doesn't do (perform on Sundays) and what he doesn't have (yardage, touchdowns), that make him easy to not like.
I don’t assume the coaches are lying, I’m looking forward to him getting healthy and contributing to the team in the 2nd half, If he doesn’t, he doesn’t and the team moves on .
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this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
its not just the hamgstring...its a laundry list
Aug 14, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Toney missed most of the training camp with a hamstring injury.
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney suffered an ankle injury in Week 5 loss to the Cowboys. He was good for the next game.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney aggravated his existing ankle injury in Week 6's loss to the Rams. He missed one game
Nov 22, 2021 NFL Leg Quad Strain Toney missed four games due to a quad injury.
Dec 1, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Toney missed three games due to an oblique injury.
Dec 29, 2021 NFL Shoulder Toney picked up a shoulder ahead of the Giants' Week 17 game.
May 21, 2022 NFL Knee Tear Toney underwent minor knee surgery earlier this offseason, but he is expected to be ready for training camp, Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports.
Aug 23, 2022 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney tweaked the same hamstring in practice on September 15. He played 3 days later.
May as well also throw in missing practice because his shoes didn't fit well and getting thrown out of a game and fined for punching an opponent.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
I'm done with him!
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
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this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
its not just the hamgstring...its a laundry list
Aug 14, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Toney missed most of the training camp with a hamstring injury.
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney suffered an ankle injury in Week 5 loss to the Cowboys. He was good for the next game.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney aggravated his existing ankle injury in Week 6's loss to the Rams. He missed one game
Nov 22, 2021 NFL Leg Quad Strain Toney missed four games due to a quad injury.
Dec 1, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Toney missed three games due to an oblique injury.
Dec 29, 2021 NFL Shoulder Toney picked up a shoulder ahead of the Giants' Week 17 game.
May 21, 2022 NFL Knee Tear Toney underwent minor knee surgery earlier this offseason, but he is expected to be ready for training camp, Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports.
Aug 23, 2022 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney tweaked the same hamstring in practice on September 15. He played 3 days later.
" Look at at all the old guys mad. I am getting rich. They either kiss my ass or I'm gonna be injured again" more laughs
Everyone needs to take their time to enjoy 3-1 while we have it and stop worrying about Toney until the time he can prove himself a consistent and productive member of this football team.
Don't get bogged down by stuff like this after a positive stretch.
Everyone needs to take their time to enjoy 3-1 while we have it and stop worrying about Toney until the time he can prove himself a consistent and productive member of this football team.
Don't get bogged down by stuff like this after a positive stretch.
And I'm not joking.
Unfortunately, this is correct. Hamstrings are nothing to write off, but this guy is a walking CHINA DOLL. He is the definition of injury prone. Even if he has a monster day he will hurt something else. Waste of a first round pick
He then practices and plays with his style which is so dependent on stop start and quick twitch but his body isn’t accustomed to it so he inevitably gets soft tissue injuries.
This, as opposed to him intentionally getting hurt or whatever, is my guess. Either way he’s not dependable so not long for this team.
'football is his priority'. You could have fooled me and I'm sure some others on BBI...
If so, he probably sprained his hand signing documents.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
HOWEVER the dude can get on the field. I don't know how bad he is injured, how hard he is working to get back, or how much he studies etc... I don't think a lot of us really do.
We are all frustrated. I hope to see him after the bye week. Hopefully he can do something that helps the team. As Eric says, hopefully he can do it for more than one game - or at least an entire game.
I get the frustration. I don't get the hate, anger, etc...
For now it is what it is, we can't control when or if he returns so personally I am past getting excited (until it actually happens) or emotionally invested.
And I'm not joking.
If he even has one dynamic game and buys us a win I’d be thrilled. Though I see your point about not expecting an encore.
Interestingly enough, if he puts up those numbers within the next 2 weeks there’s a good chance that would make him our leading receiver.
I ve no idea to the extent of his injury. But the amount of vitriol displayed on this thread over a personal choice by an athlete is cringe worthy
You do have to wonder what is his off season training program.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
You are a complete fucking asswipe. Jackass, most old white guys are happy for young, rich, successful kids. Pays for our social security and medicare.
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In comment 15848568 fredgbrown said:
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
So you don't like blind people, or is it just everybody and you didn't want to leave them out?
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history
You seriously must have me confused with someone else, because that’s simply untrue.
At this point it can’t just be bad luck. It’s a concerning trend and he no longer gets the benefit of the doubt from me.
My gut tells me he spent the entire off-season worrying about his rap career rather than showing up to OTAs, training, and doing the things it takes to get his body right for a rigorous NFL season.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history
You seriously must have me confused with someone else, because that’s simply untrue.
I suppose it’s possible and if that’s the case I sincerely apologize. It was definitely a Rick Flair based handle and I shouldn’t have assumed it was you, if it wasn’t. My bad. And if it wasn’t you, that other guy was annoying as hell
That said, it’s clear that he was a terrible pick, another Gettleman gift. But, until I hear the coaches say something critical, we should withhold judgement. Cutting or trading him is a bad idea until you need to. Hopefully, Robinson can play this week and Toney soon. There’s nobody that can replace him that will make a difference on this roster.
I just want to see where Toney is on Sunday, and what he does if he's at Spurs Stadium. The rest is noise.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
What kind of take is this? What an idiot.
I just want to see where Toney is on Sunday, and what he does if he's at Spurs Stadium. The rest is noise.
This makes no sense. The fact Toney isnt there IS news
The problem with beat reporters is they no longer dig for information. Its obvious we all want to know why Toney isnt playing and many, including the writers, dont believe its just an injury situation
Simms got hurt playing- hurt shoulder, acl ..It isn't even close to comparable.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
What kind of take is this? What an idiot.
Holy shit you have to be kidding. Being white and in my early 50's I take offense to this. In fact as a parent to two mixed race kids and 2 black kids, along with 5 children who are white I can say your point is fucked up! Perhaps some of us are pissed off that a guy gets a ton of money for doing NOTHING! NADA. Taking this to the race card is pretty pathetic.
Classy.
And I'm not joking.
Mike Kafka on Kadarius Toney: "He’s done everything we’ve asked. He’s practiced hard when he’s practicing. It’s unfortunate but he’s one of those guys that does everything we asked and is working his tail off in the training room and in the meeting rooms."
Mike Kafka on Kadarius Toney: "He’s done everything we’ve asked. He’s practiced hard when he’s practicing. It’s unfortunate but he’s one of those guys that does everything we asked and is working his tail off in the training room and in the meeting rooms."
Kafka's comments were discussed on the first page of this thread. He made them before Thursday's practice and gave no indication of being aware of any issue that would keep Toney out of practice. In fact, he spoke positively about the explosion he was seeing from Toney.
Kafka's "it's unfortunate" comment was about past history, not about what played out Thursday afternoon.
When the beats get their shot, we'll see what the coaches say (and don't say) about the latest turn of events.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
Wow racism in Lake George is alive and well
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
Wow racism in Lake George is alive and well
I don't think LakeGeorgeGiant feels that way, I think his perspective is that others do.
Regardless, I don't care if Toney raps or has tattoos. It's what he doesn't do (perform on Sundays) and what he doesn't have (yardage, touchdowns), that make him easy to not like.