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No sign of Kadarius Toney at practice today

Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/6/2022 1:08 pm
Dan Duggan
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WR Kadarius Toney (hamstring) not spotted at practice. Doesn’t look good for him to play on Sunday.
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what a loser  
mphbullet36 : 10/6/2022 1:11 pm : link
this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
What a surprise  
Blue Dream : 10/6/2022 1:13 pm : link
Starting to think he just goes and injures himself on purpose in his spare time so he doesn't have to play
I'm not saying things are comparable  
BlackLight : 10/6/2022 1:13 pm : link
but I'm old enough to remember the things folks on BBI were saying about OBJ through the first four weeks of 2014, when the guy couldn't get on the field because of a (I believe) hamstring.
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arcarsenal : 10/6/2022 1:13 pm : link
JFC. This guy is absolutely useless.
RE: I'm not saying things are comparable  
FStubbs : 10/6/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15848401 BlackLight said:
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but I'm old enough to remember the things folks on BBI were saying about OBJ through the first four weeks of 2014, when the guy couldn't get on the field because of a (I believe) hamstring.


By this point in their respective careers Beckham was a superstar.
Good Lord, so frustrating  
gmen4ever : 10/6/2022 1:17 pm : link
So we have James, Sills, Wan Dale...?
RE: Good Lord, so frustrating  
halfback20 : 10/6/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15848407 gmen4ever said:
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So we have James, Sills, Wan Dale...?

Slayton?
RE: Good Lord, so frustrating  
Adirondack GMen : 10/6/2022 1:21 pm : link
In comment 15848407 gmen4ever said:
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So we have James, Sills, Wan Dale...?

That’s not news. News would be if he’s on the field!
RE: RE: I'm not saying things are comparable  
jerseygiant : 10/6/2022 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15848406 FStubbs said:
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In comment 15848401 BlackLight said:


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but I'm old enough to remember the things folks on BBI were saying about OBJ through the first four weeks of 2014, when the guy couldn't get on the field because of a (I believe) hamstring.



By this point in their respective careers Beckham was a superstar.


Definitely different. OBJ missed 4 games, and became an instant superstar.

This is game 22 for Toney.

13th missed game (likely)
Injury report 17/22 games
Left early in 2 of the 12 games he's played.
how many total practices  
Enzo : 10/6/2022 1:23 pm : link
has this guy successfully attended? Can't be that many.
Sad!  
gr888 : 10/6/2022 1:23 pm : link
I really thought this guy would prove people wrong and have some monster games. time and time again he has disappointed. its gone from me thinking he would emerge as a real threat to being sure he wont be on the team next year. its there for the taking for him, he just doesnt want it.
RE: RE: Good Lord, so frustrating  
gmen4ever : 10/6/2022 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15848411 halfback20 said:
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In comment 15848407 gmen4ever said:


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So we have James, Sills, Wan Dale...?


Slayton?
Oh right...not feeling a lot better :)
Who  
JonC : 10/6/2022 1:23 pm : link
?
He  
AcidTest : 10/6/2022 1:24 pm : link
had a lengthy injury history in college. I still want to wait until the end of the year before passing final judgment, especially since he was a first round draft pick, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that his body can't handle the rigors of football, certainly not at an NFL level.
Cut him  
BigBlue7 : 10/6/2022 1:24 pm : link
.
So here’s my theory  
armstead98 : 10/6/2022 1:27 pm : link
Giving Toney somewhat the benefit of the doubt. Dude is immensely talented but we seem to know football is his priority. He doesn’t train that hard in the offseason and shows up to training camp as is.

He then practices and plays with his style which is so dependent on stop start and quick twitch but his body isn’t accustomed to it so he inevitably gets soft tissue injuries.

This, as opposed to him intentionally getting hurt or whatever, is my guess. Either way he’s not dependable so not long for this team.
Maybe his shoes still don't fit.  
GeofromNJ : 10/6/2022 1:27 pm : link
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Yung Joka is the man  
averagejoe : 10/6/2022 1:28 pm : link
If his plan was to use 1 season of college ball to steal millions from some desperate NFL team it has worked perfectly.
Unfortunately that team was the NY Giants . They can bench him. They can suspend him. But they can't make him play .

RE: RE: Good Lord, so frustrating  
gmen4ever : 10/6/2022 1:28 pm : link
In comment 15848412 Adirondack GMen said:
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In comment 15848407 gmen4ever said:


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So we have James, Sills, Wan Dale...?


That’s not news. News would be if he’s on the field!
Yup...
Here's what probably won't be different  
BlackLight : 10/6/2022 1:30 pm : link
The collective amnesia these same folks will suffer if Toney ever does get back on the field and balls out.
RE: Who  
GiantGrit : 10/6/2022 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15848418 JonC said:
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?


They gave him a fair shake, everyone saw the talent. Move on ASAP
None of us know for sure if this is a situation where he is truly hurt  
Walker Gillette : 10/6/2022 1:36 pm : link
or if he's just not willing to play, the tea leaves do not look good, but if he is not giving full effort and even trying to be a gamer he is absolutely destroying his standing with the new regime. The Giants need him now desperately, he looks immensely talented and his salary is already paid this year so I do not see them just cutting him, but you can be sure he doesn't reach year 3 if they don't like what they see for the rest of the year and over the offseason.
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arcarsenal : 10/6/2022 1:38 pm : link
It's honestly insulting to Beckham to even keep comparing these guys. Beckham was superior in every way imaginable.
It's getting  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/6/2022 1:40 pm : link
to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.

And I'm not joking.
Those who spew vitriol and show unadultered bitterness  
Festina Lente : 10/6/2022 1:40 pm : link
To a man for being injured only serve to demonstrate their own contemptible natures and
lack of basic decency
RE: Here's what probably won't be different  
Snablats : 10/6/2022 1:42 pm : link
In comment 15848431 BlackLight said:
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The collective amnesia these same folks will suffer if Toney ever does get back on the field and balls out.

So now you realize your post comparing Toney to OBJ being out 4 games was a joke, so you turn to attacking posters who are rightly criticizing a player who the Giants thought should have played at the end of last year and in the final preseason game this year? The player who had to be shamed into showing up toward the end of OTAs? Then barely participated in OTAs and training camp?

Toney is really indefensible at this point
How do you spell loser?  
Silver Spoon : 10/6/2022 1:43 pm : link
Toney.
For myself,  
Essex : 10/6/2022 1:43 pm : link
it is hard to really think he is that injured when he did everything yesterday and can't do a thing today. I don't like questioning injuries because the truth is we have so little information, but nothing makes sense with Kadarius Toney.
Injuries are frustrating especially with all the WRS out but if  
fredgbrown : 10/6/2022 1:44 pm : link
the guy cant go I mean hammys can be tricky if you go out there and try to do too much because the team needs you you just make it worse. I remember when Hakeem went through his injury issues and some idiot fans were questioned his desire to get back on the field.
Maybe he has an excused absence? Did any of the beat writers ask  
MartyNJ1969 : 10/6/2022 1:45 pm : link
this question to the coaches?
Wasn't this a quote today?  
OBJ_AllDay : 10/6/2022 1:46 pm : link
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11:59 am : link : reply
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Kafka - all the WRs (left) have done a really good job this week....toney has been doing everything asked - can see his explosion at practice
RE: Those who spew vitriol and show unadultered bitterness  
mphbullet36 : 10/6/2022 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15848458 Festina Lente said:
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To a man for being injured only serve to demonstrate their own contemptible natures and
lack of basic decency


if it was just injuries then what can you do.

There is more to this. The guy has no desire to be on the field. Even in the offseason it took them to fake a trade rumor to get his ass to show up.

Football is clearly not a priority for this guy.
RE: what a loser  
Matt M. : 10/6/2022 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15848397 mphbullet36 said:
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this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
Yeas there’s an absence.  
Giant John : 10/6/2022 1:47 pm : link
It’s called a brain.
Imagine if he played up to or close to his potential?  
Giant John : 10/6/2022 1:48 pm : link
The money he could make? He is blowing his chance.
Change his initials from KT  
bwitz : 10/6/2022 1:51 pm : link
to DNP.

There’s a KT on this team that actually wants to play.
RE: Wasn't this a quote today?  
MOOPS : 10/6/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15848467 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11:59 am : link : reply
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Kafka - all the WRs (left) have done a really good job this week....toney has been doing everything asked - can see his explosion at practice


Sooooooo, his hamstring exploded?
RE: RE: Here's what probably won't be different  
BlackLight : 10/6/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15848459 Snablats said:
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In comment 15848431 BlackLight said:


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The collective amnesia these same folks will suffer if Toney ever does get back on the field and balls out.


So now you realize your post comparing Toney to OBJ being out 4 games was a joke, so you turn to attacking posters who are rightly criticizing a player who the Giants thought should have played at the end of last year and in the final preseason game this year? The player who had to be shamed into showing up toward the end of OTAs? Then barely participated in OTAs and training camp?

Toney is really indefensible at this point


Sweetie, read what I wrote. *I* was the one who first made the point that it was a different situation. My whole point was that folks were potentially making themselves hostages to fortune. If the guy ever does make it back on the field and becomes a reliable weapon, everyone flogging him now will forget they ever did so.
RE: RE: what a loser  
mphbullet36 : 10/6/2022 1:55 pm : link
In comment 15848469 Matt M. said:
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In comment 15848397 mphbullet36 said:


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this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.

I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.


its not just the hamgstring...its a laundry list

Aug 14, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Toney missed most of the training camp with a hamstring injury.
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney suffered an ankle injury in Week 5 loss to the Cowboys. He was good for the next game.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney aggravated his existing ankle injury in Week 6's loss to the Rams. He missed one game
Nov 22, 2021 NFL Leg Quad Strain Toney missed four games due to a quad injury.
Dec 1, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Toney missed three games due to an oblique injury.
Dec 29, 2021 NFL Shoulder Toney picked up a shoulder ahead of the Giants' Week 17 game.
May 21, 2022 NFL Knee Tear Toney underwent minor knee surgery earlier this offseason, but he is expected to be ready for training camp, Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports.
Aug 23, 2022 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney tweaked the same hamstring in practice on September 15. He played 3 days later.
Toney Is On A Trajectory To Be My Least Favorite Giant  
Trainmaster : 10/6/2022 1:57 pm : link
Of all time.

Candidate for the Giants “First Round Busts Of All Time Team”.


Toney making Thomas Lewis look like a first round WR steal 🤦‍♂️
Doesn't train offseason; gets soft tissue injuries...  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/6/2022 2:00 pm : link
...TWO freakin' years in a row.

Weird coincidence, right?
RE: Wasn't this a quote today?  
shyster : 10/6/2022 2:01 pm : link
In comment 15848467 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11:59 am : link : reply
GiantsWFAN
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#Giants Kafka - all the WRs (left) have done a really good job this week....toney has been doing everything asked - can see his explosion at practice


It was a quote today before practice.

Then Toney was a no show at practice, per Duggan.

RE: It's getting  
Ben in Tampa : 10/6/2022 2:02 pm : link
In comment 15848457 Eric from BBI said:
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to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.

And I'm not joka.


Fixed for you
As Carl Banks said, you have to go about thinking as if he isn't  
BLUATHRT : 10/6/2022 2:04 pm : link
on this team. Counting on him to be available as one of you WR options just isn't logical at this point, as he's proven to not be available. I don't assume he will play at all anymore.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/6/2022 2:08 pm : link
Of course! Haha.
I'd be thrilled to get a 5th or 6th rounder for him at this point  
BLUATHRT : 10/6/2022 2:11 pm : link
and open the roster spot for someone who actually wants to play. bring Bachman up. Kid would give anything for some snaps to try to prove himself.
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ryanmkeane : 10/6/2022 2:11 pm : link
i don't know what the implications of the cap would be but honestly i would just cut him
RE: Here's what probably won't be different  
mikeinbloomfield : 10/6/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15848431 BlackLight said:
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The collective amnesia these same folks will suffer if Toney ever does get back on the field and balls out.


Yes, if he stops doing things we don't like and starts doing things we do like, we will like it. Glad to be of help.
Agree just have to move forward  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/6/2022 2:12 pm : link
and plan like he is not playing. No sense in building game plans around him. If he plays you can add him accordingly.

Toney and Galloday. Together with last season and the first four games this season we have gotten about 1000 yards receiving and 0 TD's.
RE: It's getting  
Named Later : 10/6/2022 2:13 pm : link
In comment 15848457 Eric from BBI said:
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to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.

And I'm not joking.


These totals would never be reached, because the opposing DB's would goad Toney into taking a swing at them....he'd be ejected on the spot.

Word is out around the league -- he's a head case.
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