but I'm old enough to remember the things folks on BBI were saying about OBJ through the first four weeks of 2014, when the guy couldn't get on the field because of a (I believe) hamstring.
but I'm old enough to remember the things folks on BBI were saying about OBJ through the first four weeks of 2014, when the guy couldn't get on the field because of a (I believe) hamstring.
By this point in their respective careers Beckham was a superstar.
but I'm old enough to remember the things folks on BBI were saying about OBJ through the first four weeks of 2014, when the guy couldn't get on the field because of a (I believe) hamstring.
By this point in their respective careers Beckham was a superstar.
Definitely different. OBJ missed 4 games, and became an instant superstar.
This is game 22 for Toney.
13th missed game (likely)
Injury report 17/22 games
Left early in 2 of the 12 games he's played.
I really thought this guy would prove people wrong and have some monster games. time and time again he has disappointed. its gone from me thinking he would emerge as a real threat to being sure he wont be on the team next year. its there for the taking for him, he just doesnt want it.
had a lengthy injury history in college. I still want to wait until the end of the year before passing final judgment, especially since he was a first round draft pick, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that his body can't handle the rigors of football, certainly not at an NFL level.
Giving Toney somewhat the benefit of the doubt. Dude is immensely talented but we seem to know football is his priority. He doesn’t train that hard in the offseason and shows up to training camp as is.
He then practices and plays with his style which is so dependent on stop start and quick twitch but his body isn’t accustomed to it so he inevitably gets soft tissue injuries.
This, as opposed to him intentionally getting hurt or whatever, is my guess. Either way he’s not dependable so not long for this team.
If his plan was to use 1 season of college ball to steal millions from some desperate NFL team it has worked perfectly.
Unfortunately that team was the NY Giants . They can bench him. They can suspend him. But they can't make him play .
or if he's just not willing to play, the tea leaves do not look good, but if he is not giving full effort and even trying to be a gamer he is absolutely destroying his standing with the new regime. The Giants need him now desperately, he looks immensely talented and his salary is already paid this year so I do not see them just cutting him, but you can be sure he doesn't reach year 3 if they don't like what they see for the rest of the year and over the offseason.
to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.
And I'm not joking.
Those who spew vitriol and show unadultered bitterness
The collective amnesia these same folks will suffer if Toney ever does get back on the field and balls out.
So now you realize your post comparing Toney to OBJ being out 4 games was a joke, so you turn to attacking posters who are rightly criticizing a player who the Giants thought should have played at the end of last year and in the final preseason game this year? The player who had to be shamed into showing up toward the end of OTAs? Then barely participated in OTAs and training camp?
it is hard to really think he is that injured when he did everything yesterday and can't do a thing today. I don't like questioning injuries because the truth is we have so little information, but nothing makes sense with Kadarius Toney.
Injuries are frustrating especially with all the WRS out but if
the guy cant go I mean hammys can be tricky if you go out there and try to do too much because the team needs you you just make it worse. I remember when Hakeem went through his injury issues and some idiot fans were questioned his desire to get back on the field.
Maybe he has an excused absence? Did any of the beat writers ask
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#Giants Kafka - all the WRs (left) have done a really good job this week....toney has been doing everything asked - can see his explosion at practice
RE: Those who spew vitriol and show unadultered bitterness
this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
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The collective amnesia these same folks will suffer if Toney ever does get back on the field and balls out.
So now you realize your post comparing Toney to OBJ being out 4 games was a joke, so you turn to attacking posters who are rightly criticizing a player who the Giants thought should have played at the end of last year and in the final preseason game this year? The player who had to be shamed into showing up toward the end of OTAs? Then barely participated in OTAs and training camp?
Toney is really indefensible at this point
Sweetie, read what I wrote. *I* was the one who first made the point that it was a different situation. My whole point was that folks were potentially making themselves hostages to fortune. If the guy ever does make it back on the field and becomes a reliable weapon, everyone flogging him now will forget they ever did so.
this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
its not just the hamgstring...its a laundry list
Aug 14, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Toney missed most of the training camp with a hamstring injury.
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney suffered an ankle injury in Week 5 loss to the Cowboys. He was good for the next game.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney aggravated his existing ankle injury in Week 6's loss to the Rams. He missed one game
Nov 22, 2021 NFL Leg Quad Strain Toney missed four games due to a quad injury.
Dec 1, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Toney missed three games due to an oblique injury.
Dec 29, 2021 NFL Shoulder Toney picked up a shoulder ahead of the Giants' Week 17 game.
May 21, 2022 NFL Knee Tear Toney underwent minor knee surgery earlier this offseason, but he is expected to be ready for training camp, Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports.
Aug 23, 2022 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney tweaked the same hamstring in practice on September 15. He played 3 days later.
Toney Is On A Trajectory To Be My Least Favorite Giant
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#Giants Kafka - all the WRs (left) have done a really good job this week....toney has been doing everything asked - can see his explosion at practice
to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.
And I'm not joka.
Fixed for you
As Carl Banks said, you have to go about thinking as if he isn't
on this team. Counting on him to be available as one of you WR options just isn't logical at this point, as he's proven to not be available. I don't assume he will play at all anymore.
to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.
And I'm not joking.
These totals would never be reached, because the opposing DB's would goad Toney into taking a swing at them....he'd be ejected on the spot.
Word is out around the league -- he's a head case.
By this point in their respective careers Beckham was a superstar.
Slayton?
That’s not news. News would be if he’s on the field!
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but I'm old enough to remember the things folks on BBI were saying about OBJ through the first four weeks of 2014, when the guy couldn't get on the field because of a (I believe) hamstring.
By this point in their respective careers Beckham was a superstar.
Definitely different. OBJ missed 4 games, and became an instant superstar.
This is game 22 for Toney.
13th missed game (likely)
Injury report 17/22 games
Left early in 2 of the 12 games he's played.
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So we have James, Sills, Wan Dale...?
Slayton?
He then practices and plays with his style which is so dependent on stop start and quick twitch but his body isn’t accustomed to it so he inevitably gets soft tissue injuries.
This, as opposed to him intentionally getting hurt or whatever, is my guess. Either way he’s not dependable so not long for this team.
Unfortunately that team was the NY Giants . They can bench him. They can suspend him. But they can't make him play .
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So we have James, Sills, Wan Dale...?
That’s not news. News would be if he’s on the field!
They gave him a fair shake, everyone saw the talent. Move on ASAP
And I'm not joking.
lack of basic decency
So now you realize your post comparing Toney to OBJ being out 4 games was a joke, so you turn to attacking posters who are rightly criticizing a player who the Giants thought should have played at the end of last year and in the final preseason game this year? The player who had to be shamed into showing up toward the end of OTAs? Then barely participated in OTAs and training camp?
Toney is really indefensible at this point
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lack of basic decency
if it was just injuries then what can you do.
There is more to this. The guy has no desire to be on the field. Even in the offseason it took them to fake a trade rumor to get his ass to show up.
Football is clearly not a priority for this guy.
There’s a KT on this team that actually wants to play.
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#Giants Kafka - all the WRs (left) have done a really good job this week....toney has been doing everything asked - can see his explosion at practice
Sooooooo, his hamstring exploded?
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The collective amnesia these same folks will suffer if Toney ever does get back on the field and balls out.
So now you realize your post comparing Toney to OBJ being out 4 games was a joke, so you turn to attacking posters who are rightly criticizing a player who the Giants thought should have played at the end of last year and in the final preseason game this year? The player who had to be shamed into showing up toward the end of OTAs? Then barely participated in OTAs and training camp?
Toney is really indefensible at this point
Sweetie, read what I wrote. *I* was the one who first made the point that it was a different situation. My whole point was that folks were potentially making themselves hostages to fortune. If the guy ever does make it back on the field and becomes a reliable weapon, everyone flogging him now will forget they ever did so.
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this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
its not just the hamgstring...its a laundry list
Aug 14, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Toney missed most of the training camp with a hamstring injury.
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney suffered an ankle injury in Week 5 loss to the Cowboys. He was good for the next game.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney aggravated his existing ankle injury in Week 6's loss to the Rams. He missed one game
Nov 22, 2021 NFL Leg Quad Strain Toney missed four games due to a quad injury.
Dec 1, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Toney missed three games due to an oblique injury.
Dec 29, 2021 NFL Shoulder Toney picked up a shoulder ahead of the Giants' Week 17 game.
May 21, 2022 NFL Knee Tear Toney underwent minor knee surgery earlier this offseason, but he is expected to be ready for training camp, Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports.
Aug 23, 2022 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney tweaked the same hamstring in practice on September 15. He played 3 days later.
Candidate for the Giants “First Round Busts Of All Time Team”.
Toney making Thomas Lewis look like a first round WR steal 🤦♂️
Weird coincidence, right?
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It was a quote today before practice.
Then Toney was a no show at practice, per Duggan.
And I'm not joka.
Fixed for you
Yes, if he stops doing things we don't like and starts doing things we do like, we will like it. Glad to be of help.
Toney and Galloday. Together with last season and the first four games this season we have gotten about 1000 yards receiving and 0 TD's.
And I'm not joking.
These totals would never be reached, because the opposing DB's would goad Toney into taking a swing at them....he'd be ejected on the spot.
Word is out around the league -- he's a head case.