had a lengthy injury history in college. I still want to wait until the end of the year before passing final judgment, especially since he was a first round draft pick, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that his body can't handle the rigors of football, certainly not at an NFL level.
He was injured twice in his college career, missing a combined nine games in his freshman and junior years. And, amazingly, there is this in an article before the draft.
"NFL Media's lance Zierlen credited Toney for battling through injury (both shoulder and shin, as a freshman) against LSU and making several plays in the game, finishing with season-highs in catches (nine), receiving yards (184) and rushing yards (56)."
The junior year injury was said to be to his wrist or arm, and while Florida never said what it was, there were rumors it was a minor fracture.
He's really like an undisciplined and unprepared college student. The closer he gets to exam day, the more likely he is to start showing symptoms of illness.
to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.
And I'm not joking.
^This.
Just seems lately that any high draft pick the Giants take with
"red flags" immediately devolves to living up to those flags or worse, whereas other teams like the Cowboys take them and they are immediately successful.
"red flags" immediately devolves to living up to those flags or worse, whereas other teams like the Cowboys take them and they are immediately successful.
That's an interesting point, and perhaps due to the vast difference in prestige and popularity between the two teams.
There have been a couple receivers released the last few days including Isabella. Our receivers are beyond thin with Toney never available. Why not take a shot and put in a claim for Isabella who passed through waivers and then signed with the Ravens? We need bodies at this point. Even if we add all 3 PS receivers, we are still thin.
he's never going to be a reliable productive player in the NFL, originally I thought the trade back was brilliant, but it ended up being one of the biggest blunders in NY Giant history
had a lengthy injury history in college. I still want to wait until the end of the year before passing final judgment, especially since he was a first round draft pick, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that his body can't handle the rigors of football, certainly not at an NFL level.
He was injured twice in his college career, missing a combined nine games in his freshman and junior years. And, amazingly, there is this in an article before the draft.
"NFL Media's lance Zierlen credited Toney for battling through injury (both shoulder and shin, as a freshman) against LSU and making several plays in the game, finishing with season-highs in catches (nine), receiving yards (184) and rushing yards (56)."
The junior year injury was said to be to his wrist or arm, and while Florida never said what it was, there were rumors it was a minor fracture.
This lists eight games from various shoulder injuries. The irony is that his injuries now seem to be mostly lower body.
As I said, I want to wait until the end of the year before making any conclusion, especially since he was a first round pick. I also typically don't like labelling players as "injury prone" early in their careers, especially since many injuries are just bad luck. But he has missed a lot of games since being drafted, and at some point this year he needs to get on the field.
"red flags" immediately devolves to living up to those flags or worse, whereas other teams like the Cowboys take them and they are immediately successful.
That's an interesting point, and perhaps due to the vast difference in prestige and popularity between the two teams.
Imagine we busted through the red flags and drafted Tunsil instead of the saint Eli Apple.
Mike Kafka on Kadarius Toney: "He’s done everything we’ve asked. He’s practiced hard when he’s practicing. It’s unfortunate but he’s one of those guys that does everything we asked and is working his tail off in the training room and in the meeting rooms."
I don’t assume the coaches are lying, I’m looking forward to him getting healthy and contributing to the team in the 2nd half, If he doesn’t, he doesn’t and the team moves on .
Seriously need to stop comparing him to OBJ. I can’t count how many times it’s been brought up here. As many have stated OBJ missed 4 games and was Instantly a superstar once he stepped on the field
RE: … Maybe Toney was prepping to leave like getting his passport
this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
its not just the hamgstring...its a laundry list
Aug 14, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Toney missed most of the training camp with a hamstring injury.
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney suffered an ankle injury in Week 5 loss to the Cowboys. He was good for the next game.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney aggravated his existing ankle injury in Week 6's loss to the Rams. He missed one game
Nov 22, 2021 NFL Leg Quad Strain Toney missed four games due to a quad injury.
Dec 1, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Toney missed three games due to an oblique injury.
Dec 29, 2021 NFL Shoulder Toney picked up a shoulder ahead of the Giants' Week 17 game.
May 21, 2022 NFL Knee Tear Toney underwent minor knee surgery earlier this offseason, but he is expected to be ready for training camp, Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports.
Aug 23, 2022 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney tweaked the same hamstring in practice on September 15. He played 3 days later.
May as well also throw in missing practice because his shoes didn't fit well and getting thrown out of a game and fined for punching an opponent.
Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
I am so sick of the never ending drama from this pretender. He is not serious about his NFL career, so trade him for 6th 0r 7th round draft picks. That's all this organisation will ever get out of this Gettleman mistake.
I'm done with him!
RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
its not just the hamgstring...its a laundry list
Aug 14, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Toney missed most of the training camp with a hamstring injury.
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney suffered an ankle injury in Week 5 loss to the Cowboys. He was good for the next game.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney aggravated his existing ankle injury in Week 6's loss to the Rams. He missed one game
Nov 22, 2021 NFL Leg Quad Strain Toney missed four games due to a quad injury.
Dec 1, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Toney missed three games due to an oblique injury.
Dec 29, 2021 NFL Shoulder Toney picked up a shoulder ahead of the Giants' Week 17 game.
May 21, 2022 NFL Knee Tear Toney underwent minor knee surgery earlier this offseason, but he is expected to be ready for training camp, Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports.
Aug 23, 2022 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney tweaked the same hamstring in practice on September 15. He played 3 days later.
I keep saying him and boys are laughing their asses. If thectead this read,the awful shit we say about him would them all laugh.
" Look at at all the old guys mad. I am getting rich. They either kiss my ass or I'm gonna be injured again" more laughs
Seem to finally have a coach who knows what he's doing and a GM that understands how to construct a roster.
Everyone needs to take their time to enjoy 3-1 while we have it and stop worrying about Toney until the time he can prove himself a consistent and productive member of this football team.
Don't get bogged down by stuff like this after a positive stretch.
Seem to finally have a coach who knows what he's doing and a GM that understands how to construct a roster.
Everyone needs to take their time to enjoy 3-1 while we have it and stop worrying about Toney until the time he can prove himself a consistent and productive member of this football team.
Don't get bogged down by stuff like this after a positive stretch.
I don't about. He will never doing anything meaningful with any kind of consistency. I expect him to flash big a couple times and largely do nothing
to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.
And I'm not joking.
Unfortunately, this is correct. Hamstrings are nothing to write off, but this guy is a walking CHINA DOLL. He is the definition of injury prone. Even if he has a monster day he will hurt something else. Waste of a first round pick
Giving Toney somewhat the benefit of the doubt. Dude is immensely talented but we seem to know football is his priority. He doesn’t train that hard in the offseason and shows up to training camp as is.
He then practices and plays with his style which is so dependent on stop start and quick twitch but his body isn’t accustomed to it so he inevitably gets soft tissue injuries.
This, as opposed to him intentionally getting hurt or whatever, is my guess. Either way he’s not dependable so not long for this team.
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'football is his priority'. You could have fooled me and I'm sure some others on BBI...
RE: The Plane for London leaves tonight. Maybe Toney was prepping to leave
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Anyone can see flashes of talent. Talent that we need.
HOWEVER the dude can get on the field. I don't know how bad he is injured, how hard he is working to get back, or how much he studies etc... I don't think a lot of us really do.
We are all frustrated. I hope to see him after the bye week. Hopefully he can do something that helps the team. As Eric says, hopefully he can do it for more than one game - or at least an entire game.
I get the frustration. I don't get the hate, anger, etc...
For now it is what it is, we can't control when or if he returns so personally I am past getting excited (until it actually happens) or emotionally invested.
to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.
And I'm not joking.
If he even has one dynamic game and buys us a win I’d be thrilled. Though I see your point about not expecting an encore.
Interestingly enough, if he puts up those numbers within the next 2 weeks there’s a good chance that would make him our leading receiver.
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
You are a complete fucking asswipe. Jackass, most old white guys are happy for young, rich, successful kids. Pays for our social security and medicare.
RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
So you don't like blind people, or is it just everybody and you didn't want to leave them out?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history
He was injured twice in his college career, missing a combined nine games in his freshman and junior years. And, amazingly, there is this in an article before the draft.
"NFL Media's lance Zierlen credited Toney for battling through injury (both shoulder and shin, as a freshman) against LSU and making several plays in the game, finishing with season-highs in catches (nine), receiving yards (184) and rushing yards (56)."
The junior year injury was said to be to his wrist or arm, and while Florida never said what it was, there were rumors it was a minor fracture.
And I'm not joking.
^This.
That's an interesting point, and perhaps due to the vast difference in prestige and popularity between the two teams.
The organization is soft a dough and they overpay you for underworking.
- - - - Golladay.
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had a lengthy injury history in college. I still want to wait until the end of the year before passing final judgment, especially since he was a first round draft pick, but it's becoming increasingly obvious that his body can't handle the rigors of football, certainly not at an NFL level.
He was injured twice in his college career, missing a combined nine games in his freshman and junior years. And, amazingly, there is this in an article before the draft.
"NFL Media's lance Zierlen credited Toney for battling through injury (both shoulder and shin, as a freshman) against LSU and making several plays in the game, finishing with season-highs in catches (nine), receiving yards (184) and rushing yards (56)."
The junior year injury was said to be to his wrist or arm, and while Florida never said what it was, there were rumors it was a minor fracture.
This lists eight games from various shoulder injuries. The irony is that his injuries now seem to be mostly lower body.
As I said, I want to wait until the end of the year before making any conclusion, especially since he was a first round pick. I also typically don't like labelling players as "injury prone" early in their careers, especially since many injuries are just bad luck. But he has missed a lot of games since being drafted, and at some point this year he needs to get on the field.
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"red flags" immediately devolves to living up to those flags or worse, whereas other teams like the Cowboys take them and they are immediately successful.
That's an interesting point, and perhaps due to the vast difference in prestige and popularity between the two teams.
Imagine we busted through the red flags and drafted Tunsil instead of the saint Eli Apple.
I don’t assume the coaches are lying, I’m looking forward to him getting healthy and contributing to the team in the 2nd half, If he doesn’t, he doesn’t and the team moves on .
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this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
its not just the hamgstring...its a laundry list
Aug 14, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Toney missed most of the training camp with a hamstring injury.
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney suffered an ankle injury in Week 5 loss to the Cowboys. He was good for the next game.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney aggravated his existing ankle injury in Week 6's loss to the Rams. He missed one game
Nov 22, 2021 NFL Leg Quad Strain Toney missed four games due to a quad injury.
Dec 1, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Toney missed three games due to an oblique injury.
Dec 29, 2021 NFL Shoulder Toney picked up a shoulder ahead of the Giants' Week 17 game.
May 21, 2022 NFL Knee Tear Toney underwent minor knee surgery earlier this offseason, but he is expected to be ready for training camp, Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports.
Aug 23, 2022 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney tweaked the same hamstring in practice on September 15. He played 3 days later.
May as well also throw in missing practice because his shoes didn't fit well and getting thrown out of a game and fined for punching an opponent.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
I'm done with him!
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
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this guy is...WR room is super thin and dude has another hangnail.
I am frustrated with Toney, as most fans are. But, he has a hamstring injury. That is not insignificant and also not a quick healing injury, especially for someone with his skillset.
its not just the hamgstring...its a laundry list
Aug 14, 2021 NFL Thigh Hamstring Strain Grade 2 Toney missed most of the training camp with a hamstring injury.
Oct 10, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney suffered an ankle injury in Week 5 loss to the Cowboys. He was good for the next game.
Oct 17, 2021 NFL Pedal Ankle Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney aggravated his existing ankle injury in Week 6's loss to the Rams. He missed one game
Nov 22, 2021 NFL Leg Quad Strain Toney missed four games due to a quad injury.
Dec 1, 2021 NFL Abdomen Muscle Strain Grade 2 Toney missed three games due to an oblique injury.
Dec 29, 2021 NFL Shoulder Toney picked up a shoulder ahead of the Giants' Week 17 game.
May 21, 2022 NFL Knee Tear Toney underwent minor knee surgery earlier this offseason, but he is expected to be ready for training camp, Pat Leonard of the New York Daily News reports.
Aug 23, 2022 NFL Thigh Hamstring Sprain/Pull Unspecified Grade 1 Toney tweaked the same hamstring in practice on September 15. He played 3 days later.
" Look at at all the old guys mad. I am getting rich. They either kiss my ass or I'm gonna be injured again" more laughs
Everyone needs to take their time to enjoy 3-1 while we have it and stop worrying about Toney until the time he can prove himself a consistent and productive member of this football team.
Don't get bogged down by stuff like this after a positive stretch.
Everyone needs to take their time to enjoy 3-1 while we have it and stop worrying about Toney until the time he can prove himself a consistent and productive member of this football team.
Don't get bogged down by stuff like this after a positive stretch.
And I'm not joking.
Unfortunately, this is correct. Hamstrings are nothing to write off, but this guy is a walking CHINA DOLL. He is the definition of injury prone. Even if he has a monster day he will hurt something else. Waste of a first round pick
He then practices and plays with his style which is so dependent on stop start and quick twitch but his body isn’t accustomed to it so he inevitably gets soft tissue injuries.
This, as opposed to him intentionally getting hurt or whatever, is my guess. Either way he’s not dependable so not long for this team.
'football is his priority'. You could have fooled me and I'm sure some others on BBI...
If so, he probably sprained his hand signing documents.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
HOWEVER the dude can get on the field. I don't know how bad he is injured, how hard he is working to get back, or how much he studies etc... I don't think a lot of us really do.
We are all frustrated. I hope to see him after the bye week. Hopefully he can do something that helps the team. As Eric says, hopefully he can do it for more than one game - or at least an entire game.
I get the frustration. I don't get the hate, anger, etc...
For now it is what it is, we can't control when or if he returns so personally I am past getting excited (until it actually happens) or emotionally invested.
And I'm not joking.
If he even has one dynamic game and buys us a win I’d be thrilled. Though I see your point about not expecting an encore.
Interestingly enough, if he puts up those numbers within the next 2 weeks there’s a good chance that would make him our leading receiver.
I ve no idea to the extent of his injury. But the amount of vitriol displayed on this thread over a personal choice by an athlete is cringe worthy
You do have to wonder what is his off season training program.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
You are a complete fucking asswipe. Jackass, most old white guys are happy for young, rich, successful kids. Pays for our social security and medicare.
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In comment 15848568 fredgbrown said:
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
So you don't like blind people, or is it just everybody and you didn't want to leave them out?
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In comment 15848568 fredgbrown said:
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history