when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history
You seriously must have me confused with someone else, because that’s simply untrue.
It doesn’t even jive up with how I felt about those guys. Reese should have been fired instead of Coughlin, Ive never expressed an opinion about Marc Ross and this post is how I’m discovering he is black, and Fewell sucked.
Toney over the next 2+ years I look at as a bonus. He’s officially entered bust territory.
At this point it can’t just be bad luck. It’s a concerning trend and he no longer gets the benefit of the doubt from me.
My gut tells me he spent the entire off-season worrying about his rap career rather than showing up to OTAs, training, and doing the things it takes to get his body right for a rigorous NFL season.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history
You seriously must have me confused with someone else, because that’s simply untrue.
I suppose it’s possible and if that’s the case I sincerely apologize. It was definitely a Rick Flair based handle and I shouldn’t have assumed it was you, if it wasn’t. My bad. And if it wasn’t you, that other guy was annoying as hell
Way different with Simms. He was playing on a really bad team with a bad OL. Early in his career, he also did not much of a running game and not much at WR. He would get hurt trying to make plays; he’d stand in the pocket waiting for someone to free and get his butt kicked. Much different than Toney where you’d never see the play where it happened.
That said, it’s clear that he was a terrible pick, another Gettleman gift. But, until I hear the coaches say something critical, we should withhold judgement. Cutting or trading him is a bad idea until you need to. Hopefully, Robinson can play this week and Toney soon. There’s nobody that can replace him that will make a difference on this roster.
The tweet that started this discussion verges on sh!t-stirring.
IMO reporters should share what they see and what they are told. Reporting what they don't see. in this context, just opens the door to speculation and insinuation.
I just want to see where Toney is on Sunday, and what he does if he's at Spurs Stadium. The rest is noise.
RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
What kind of take is this? What an idiot.
RE: The tweet that started this discussion verges on sh!t-stirring.
IMO reporters should share what they see and what they are told. Reporting what they don't see. in this context, just opens the door to speculation and insinuation.
I just want to see where Toney is on Sunday, and what he does if he's at Spurs Stadium. The rest is noise.
This makes no sense. The fact Toney isnt there IS news
The problem with beat reporters is they no longer dig for information. Its obvious we all want to know why Toney isnt playing and many, including the writers, dont believe its just an injury situation
RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
What kind of take is this? What an idiot.
Holy shit you have to be kidding. Being white and in my early 50's I take offense to this. In fact as a parent to two mixed race kids and 2 black kids, along with 5 children who are white I can say your point is fucked up! Perhaps some of us are pissed off that a guy gets a ton of money for doing NOTHING! NADA. Taking this to the race card is pretty pathetic.
to the point that even if he came back and had a 10-catch, 200-yard, 3-TD game, I wouldn't get too excited because I would just assume he would miss the next month after that.
And I'm not joking.
Yeah, he needs to have an extended run of availability, with a bunch of good games, before we get excited about the guy.
@Patricia_Traina
Mike Kafka on Kadarius Toney: "He’s done everything we’ve asked. He’s practiced hard when he’s practicing. It’s unfortunate but he’s one of those guys that does everything we asked and is working his tail off in the training room and in the meeting rooms."
@Patricia_Traina
Mike Kafka on Kadarius Toney: "He’s done everything we’ve asked. He’s practiced hard when he’s practicing. It’s unfortunate but he’s one of those guys that does everything we asked and is working his tail off in the training room and in the meeting rooms."
Kafka's comments were discussed on the first page of this thread. He made them before Thursday's practice and gave no indication of being aware of any issue that would keep Toney out of practice. In fact, he spoke positively about the explosion he was seeing from Toney.
Kafka's "it's unfortunate" comment was about past history, not about what played out Thursday afternoon.
When the beats get their shot, we'll see what the coaches say (and don't say) about the latest turn of events.
RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
Toney hasn't played enough to get an overuse injury. These soft tissue issues from practicing is just an indication of how poorly their bodies are trained for this game. He hasn't done shit and blew his hammy. That's a completely solvable issue for real trainers. Sprinters blow hammies when they do not warm up and try to apply explosive force. Clearly the guy is not balanced or flexible
RE: RE: RE: RE: Simms missed a lot of games in his early career and was 29
when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
Wow racism in Lake George is alive and well
I don't think LakeGeorgeGiant feels that way, I think his perspective is that others do.
Regardless, I don't care if Toney raps or has tattoos. It's what he doesn't do (perform on Sundays) and what he doesn't have (yardage, touchdowns), that make him easy to not like.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history
You seriously must have me confused with someone else, because that’s simply untrue.
At this point it can’t just be bad luck. It’s a concerning trend and he no longer gets the benefit of the doubt from me.
My gut tells me he spent the entire off-season worrying about his rap career rather than showing up to OTAs, training, and doing the things it takes to get his body right for a rigorous NFL season.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Phill Simms didn’t rap.
Phil Simms was despised among many Giants fans early in his career. Hell some fans hated him throughout his career even after winning a SB. And social media didn’t exist then so fans couldn’t vent like they do now.
Or, you can just play the race card like you always do…
Like I always do?
When else do I always do it?
You know when. And I don’t want to get this thread nuked so I will just say that you met any criticisms of Jerry Reese, Marc Ross, Perry Fewell, and plenty of others with the same damn nonsense. And you know it. And so does everyone else familiar with your posting history
You seriously must have me confused with someone else, because that’s simply untrue.
I suppose it’s possible and if that’s the case I sincerely apologize. It was definitely a Rick Flair based handle and I shouldn’t have assumed it was you, if it wasn’t. My bad. And if it wasn’t you, that other guy was annoying as hell
That said, it’s clear that he was a terrible pick, another Gettleman gift. But, until I hear the coaches say something critical, we should withhold judgement. Cutting or trading him is a bad idea until you need to. Hopefully, Robinson can play this week and Toney soon. There’s nobody that can replace him that will make a difference on this roster.
I just want to see where Toney is on Sunday, and what he does if he's at Spurs Stadium. The rest is noise.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
What kind of take is this? What an idiot.
I just want to see where Toney is on Sunday, and what he does if he's at Spurs Stadium. The rest is noise.
This makes no sense. The fact Toney isnt there IS news
The problem with beat reporters is they no longer dig for information. Its obvious we all want to know why Toney isnt playing and many, including the writers, dont believe its just an injury situation
Simms got hurt playing- hurt shoulder, acl ..It isn't even close to comparable.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
What kind of take is this? What an idiot.
Holy shit you have to be kidding. Being white and in my early 50's I take offense to this. In fact as a parent to two mixed race kids and 2 black kids, along with 5 children who are white I can say your point is fucked up! Perhaps some of us are pissed off that a guy gets a ton of money for doing NOTHING! NADA. Taking this to the race card is pretty pathetic.
Classy.
And I'm not joking.
Mike Kafka on Kadarius Toney: "He’s done everything we’ve asked. He’s practiced hard when he’s practicing. It’s unfortunate but he’s one of those guys that does everything we asked and is working his tail off in the training room and in the meeting rooms."
Mike Kafka on Kadarius Toney: "He’s done everything we’ve asked. He’s practiced hard when he’s practicing. It’s unfortunate but he’s one of those guys that does everything we asked and is working his tail off in the training room and in the meeting rooms."
Kafka's comments were discussed on the first page of this thread. He made them before Thursday's practice and gave no indication of being aware of any issue that would keep Toney out of practice. In fact, he spoke positively about the explosion he was seeing from Toney.
Kafka's "it's unfortunate" comment was about past history, not about what played out Thursday afternoon.
When the beats get their shot, we'll see what the coaches say (and don't say) about the latest turn of events.
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
Wow racism in Lake George is alive and well
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In comment 15848568 fredgbrown said:
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when he played in his first playoff game in 1984. Some players have bad luck with injuries.
Granted media coverage was a lot different back then, but Simms didn't have s hit attitude.
Here is a better example
Sterling Shepard has been injured a lot. But nobody EVER questions his work ethic, his mindset, his drive and his ability to be a good teammate.
Toney walked in the door day 1 with questions about his attitude and has done nothing to silence those questions. If anything, he has only done more damage to his image.
If you cannot see that then you are blind.
And it has nothing to do with rap music or the color of his skin.
Blind..yes. You are akso blind if you can't see thst old white guys of a certain age don't like rich young black guys that rap and have tattoos.
Wow racism in Lake George is alive and well
I don't think LakeGeorgeGiant feels that way, I think his perspective is that others do.
Regardless, I don't care if Toney raps or has tattoos. It's what he doesn't do (perform on Sundays) and what he doesn't have (yardage, touchdowns), that make him easy to not like.