but no. Maybe... MAYBE you tag him to hold it over a year (even though he's not worth it) given we probably still have another year to get the cap under control, but I would love to see Daboll and Shoen have their pick of who they want to mold going forward.
I wouldn't tag him as it would be $30 mil plus. I am enjoying his making lemonade out of lemons, but he isn't the answer going forward. He's a good guy and has been stepping in sh!t since he got here with no skill players and limited protection. Problem is he doesn't make anyone better nor has his processing improved. It's ok to enjoy what he's doing with his legs and say he's not the guy.
Fortunately for everyone it's up to Schoen and Dabs
It would of course matter how much the Jones’ camp would be asking for. Jones would just be a bridge to another quarterback for me if feasible. I would look to get a qb in the 23 draft
3-4 years 18 million per year. This guy seriously has had the worst supporting cast of any QB in the league. He’s a competitor and honestly he’s accurate when given time. I think Shurmur knew how to use him best though.
But i trust this staff to make the right decision
If they don’t think they can get a guy to develop in the 2023 draft I think he’s worth 2 years/20 mil
I hope they like him enough to sign him for a longer term $15 mil/year so they can draft another important piece and manage the cap
Best guess - they cut ties and pick a guy they can develop
His best attribute is also what causes him to miss games
But you never see those kind of devotions. It makes zero sense to bring him back at any cost. He's one of the worst starting QBs in the league. And if we need a guy who can play at a backup level, there are many guys of his caliber that change teams every year.
We have a draft position in the mid 20s, so zero shot at drafting the top 3-4 QB. As of today, per your stipulation, I don’t see another QB in the draft that offers upside higher than DJ. Also as of today, Lamar Jackson is the only FA QB worth a shot, but Baltimore isn’t going to balk at tagging him. So yes, I’ll negotiate in probably $12-15M range, 2-3 years.
I didn't feel compelled to adjust for the excuse variables.
The object is to have a great QB, or at the very least a very good one.
So, even if you bastardize the numbers to account for the excuse variables, the answer is clearly no.
You left out rushing TDs. Did you leave that out as part of the excuse category?
And no, I’m not a Jones guy. But I would offer him a low end contract for two years and see if he bites. Like 18 mil per year area. Where we would be picking based on our record we won’t have a shot at the top guys.
1) No to a 5 year triple digit million contract with half or more guaranteed
2) No to $30M+ franchise tag
3) Maybe to Transition Tag IF that exists / is an option
4) Yes to a 2 yr $40M incentive laden contract IF he / his agent would agree
You left out rushing TDs. Did you leave that out as part of the excuse category?
And no, I’m not a Jones guy. But I would offer him a low end contract for two years and see if he bites. Like 18 mil per year area. Where we would be picking based on our record we won’t have a shot at the top guys.
That's a fair point, and I thought about it. And, no, rushing yards are not part of the basket of excuses.
But Jones is not enough of dynamic rushing threat like an LJax to move the needle for me to sign him.
If we could get a cheap deal as a back-up, then I'm more interested.
We have a draft position in the mid 20s, so zero shot at drafting the top 3-4 QB. As of today, per your stipulation, I don’t see another QB in the draft that offers upside higher than DJ. Also as of today, Lamar Jackson is the only FA QB worth a shot, but Baltimore isn’t going to balk at tagging him. So yes, I’ll negotiate in probably $12-15M range, 2-3 years.
Of course that list is going to fluctuate quite a bit, but who would rather have a 5th year of Jones than the 4th or 5th guy on that list?
And yes, all them clearly have more UPSIDE than Jones.
Of course "definitely better" than Jones has been in 3.5 years is always hard to predict with the draft, but by the same token Jones performance to date isn't hard to top. His numbers are on par with Trubisky, whom everyone agrees is a bust.
Hopefully we get some guys back and BD gets a good look. Based on draft, Jones and whatever else in on the market make a decision from that point. 1st round pick starts. 2nd-4th round then sign the best available QB as expectation should be to win while that QB learns is evaluated as a potential solution.
If that does not work keep looking for the next QB. Winning will allow BD to have that chance.
Not worth the money. Get hurt too often. More of a runner than a passer. After 4 years we know what he is. Not worth a second contract. Especially with all of our needs.
If DJ isn’t in blue next year can almost lock him into Tampa Bay
You’re probably not going to get an immediate upgrade in free agency unless you think Rogers or Garoppolo is coming here. I’m not even sure Garoppolo is an upgrade, but I digress. We could draft a guy but does that mean we have to let jones walk? Then there’s the talk of a franchise tag which to me is premature. Let’s say Jones keeps up this play and the team goes 9 -8, Is some team next spring offering Jones a whopper of a deal? Why can’t we get jones on a relatively cheap 1-2 year deal and draft a qb?
Dont see a need for a ft talk just yet but if jones kicks ass here over the next 3 months, by all means, he’s done little to nothing to really complain about this season. Let’s be honest.
Fortunately for everyone it's up to Schoen and Dabs
Qb's in the draft
FA's available
Asking price
If they don’t think they can get a guy to develop in the 2023 draft I think he’s worth 2 years/20 mil
I hope they like him enough to sign him for a longer term $15 mil/year so they can draft another important piece and manage the cap
Best guess - they cut ties and pick a guy they can develop
If he comes back and would settle for 3/40, would consider
not at 30 million
just cant hamstring us at this point
If the best free agent QB is Garoppolo and the best QB we can draft is a 2022 version of Manziel, then hell yeah, I’m resigning Jones.
The 5th best QB in the 2023 draft has more upside than Daniel Jones.
Quote:
At best positioned for 5th best QB in draft.
The 5th best QB in the 2023 draft has more upside than Daniel Jones.
Right now, no I am not re-signing him.
But, the 5th best QB in the draft is not likely better than Jones.
Quote:
At best positioned for 5th best QB in draft.
The 5th best QB in the 2023 draft has more upside than Daniel Jones.
Nostradamus hath spoken !!!
If the best offer he gets is above what Daboll and Schoen think he is worth to their future let him go.
If they have schemes that integrate his "limited skills" to an 11 man winning offense, retain DJ at a little above his best offer.
Both parties would then be better off by him not changing teams.
over 17 games: 13 TDs/9 INTs, 64% completion%, 6 YPA, 46 QBR.
So, if you aggregate those projections with his prior three years, Jones's career looks like:
58 TDs/ 38 INT, 63.5% completion%, 6.4 YPA, 47 QBR.
I didn't feel compelled to adjust for the excuse variables.
The object is to have a great QB, or at the very least a very good one.
So, even if you bastardize the numbers to account for the excuse variables, the answer is clearly no.
over 17 games: 13 TDs/9 INTs, 64% completion%, 6 YPA, 46 QBR.
So, if you aggregate those projections with his prior three years, Jones's career looks like:
58 TDs/ 38 INT, 63.5% completion%, 6.4 YPA, 47 QBR.
I didn't feel compelled to adjust for the excuse variables.
The object is to have a great QB, or at the very least a very good one.
So, even if you bastardize the numbers to account for the excuse variables, the answer is clearly no.
You left out rushing TDs. Did you leave that out as part of the excuse category?
And no, I’m not a Jones guy. But I would offer him a low end contract for two years and see if he bites. Like 18 mil per year area. Where we would be picking based on our record we won’t have a shot at the top guys.
1st-round QBs are 50-50 and a bad one would set the franchise back more than DJ. I would not pay franchise rates, but would offer $15-20M.
2) No to $30M+ franchise tag
3) Maybe to Transition Tag IF that exists / is an option
4) Yes to a 2 yr $40M incentive laden contract IF he / his agent would agree
1st-round QBs are 50-50 and a bad one would set the franchise back more than DJ. I would not pay franchise rates, but would offer $15-20M.
It's not possible for a rookie to set us back more than Jones. Jones is a dead end.
You left out rushing TDs. Did you leave that out as part of the excuse category?
And no, I’m not a Jones guy. But I would offer him a low end contract for two years and see if he bites. Like 18 mil per year area. Where we would be picking based on our record we won’t have a shot at the top guys.
That's a fair point, and I thought about it. And, no, rushing yards are not part of the basket of excuses.
But Jones is not enough of dynamic rushing threat like an LJax to move the needle for me to sign him.
If we could get a cheap deal as a back-up, then I'm more interested.
Fuck no. Just stick with Taylor for much less.
And yes, all them clearly have more UPSIDE than Jones.
Of course "definitely better" than Jones has been in 3.5 years is always hard to predict with the draft, but by the same token Jones performance to date isn't hard to top. His numbers are on par with Trubisky, whom everyone agrees is a bust.
Quote:
At best positioned for 5th best QB in draft.
The 5th best QB in the 2023 draft has more upside than Daniel Jones.
Which quarterback would that be, and what makes him better than Daniel?
over 17 games: 13 TDs/9 INTs, 64% completion%, 6 YPA, 46 QBR.
So, if you aggregate those projections with his prior three years, Jones's career looks like:
58 TDs/ 38 INT, 63.5% completion%, 6.4 YPA, 47 QBR.
I didn't feel compelled to adjust for the excuse variables.
The object is to have a great QB, or at the very least a very good one.
So, even if you bastardize the numbers to account for the excuse variables, the answer is clearly no.
Ok, 12-5 or 13-4, Pretty good.
Hopefully we get some guys back and BD gets a good look. Based on draft, Jones and whatever else in on the market make a decision from that point. 1st round pick starts. 2nd-4th round then sign the best available QB as expectation should be to win while that QB learns is evaluated as a potential solution.
If that does not work keep looking for the next QB. Winning will allow BD to have that chance.
No chance
Good.
"Spread over three years of course."
You are willing to commit $32M to Jones? Wow!
If the answer is no because season is too early,
then why is the question about Jones relevant?
Dont see a need for a ft talk just yet but if jones kicks ass here over the next 3 months, by all means, he’s done little to nothing to really complain about this season. Let’s be honest.
You're forgetting that Mara has done "...everything possible to screw this kid up."