An earlier thread asked the question as to whether DJ should be brought back Jones next year.
Do you think management has already made that decision regardless of where we draft, what the salary demands would be or who's available via free agency?
Said Hurts is a better runner and has made strides in his passing game. I didn’t even say he was a better passer than Jones, but at a minimum they’re equal as a passer.
If they “are equal as passers” (your words), then how could you say “Hurts is better” (your words in title).
How is he better? If you say rushing, even that is debatable. Without looking, imwould think both are doing well with yards rushing and TDs.
It’s really not debatable that Hurts is a better runner. Jones is just a straight line runner, Hurts is a better runner in the open field and even inside the pocket
You make funny here, but many on this site were clamoring for Pickett to be picked to replace Jones. Let’s see- one game in, 3 interceptions. Nice start. But I’m not saying he can’t turn it around and become a good NFL QB.
The truth is, maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t really know (guys like Pickett).
I can see your post is funny too…
No, wrong post….my funny post was the AJ Klein Appreciation thread…..
RE: RE: Jones may not take an offer from the Giants?
You make funny here, but many on this site were clamoring for Pickett to be picked to replace Jones. Let’s see- one game in, 3 interceptions. Nice start. But I’m not saying he can’t turn it around and become a good NFL QB.
The truth is, maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t really know (guys like Pickett).
Will the two devils have the same price tag next year? Or does the devil you know potentially cost 3x+ the amount that the devil you don't know?
And isolating your one-game-sample-size doesn't do much to support your argument. I can rattle off just as many QBs who became superstars in the past five years that were drafted later in their own draft than DJ was.
Staying with a loser because you're afraid of the alternative (to a loser) is rooted in cowardice.
People who watch other NFL games vs. People who only watch the Giants
One of my favorite interactions over the last three months was a poster asserting the Giants had the worst OL in the league. Said poster then said he doesn't really watch other teams when asked in the same thread.
RE: RE: RE: Jones may not take an offer from the Giants?
You make funny here, but many on this site were clamoring for Pickett to be picked to replace Jones. Let’s see- one game in, 3 interceptions. Nice start. But I’m not saying he can’t turn it around and become a good NFL QB.
The truth is, maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t really know (guys like Pickett).
Will the two devils have the same price tag next year? Or does the devil you know potentially cost 3x+ the amount that the devil you don't know?
And isolating your one-game-sample-size doesn't do much to support your argument. I can rattle off just as many QBs who became superstars in the past five years that were drafted later in their own draft than DJ was.
Staying with a loser because you're afraid of the alternative (to a loser) is rooted in cowardice.
You make good points….I for one don’t want to spend big bucks on a guy that I don’t have utmost confidence in. I’m sure Schoen and Daboll feel the same, so I defer to their decision and me personally, I stay neutral regarding should we or shouldn’t we resign Jones.
Golladay ‘s $72 M and many in Dallas are crying over both Zeke and Dak’# big contracts…..no, I am a big believer in SPENDING WISELY. Count the costs….if you can get a qb who may be similar in talent for far less, that makes sense to me. But you still have to wisely assess both the guy leaving and the new guy you may be bringing in to replace him. Not always black and white.
Like I used to watch a lot of Rangers games, but I never watched the NHL. So if some real hockey fan said that Vladimir Whoever was better than some guy on the Rangers...I might go look up Vladimirs stats, but I wouldn't argue with him. Because I didn't know anything.
These guys obviously don't watch other teams. How do they come in so hot with arguments when they have so little knowledge?
RE: Why does it matter if nobody complimented Hurts before this year?
This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB we like but every other QBs in the leagues warts get magnified.
Do you honestly think if you swapped Jones with Hurts, the Eagles would put up the same offense? No chance, and that’s not even going into passing ability - Hurts is a much better runner than Jones.
Misrepresent issues much? Because you are doing it here. Please provide the link where anyone has suggested you can't point out flaws of Jones? No one said it but posters like you continually misrepresent /over-exaggerate to make your point about Jones.
Yes Jones is flawed but many of us rational posters realize that he could be better if for example if he had Phily's WRs and Tight End and had the Philly OLine.
It doesn't mean we think he will be as good as Hurts or even be a legit starter etc but the point is- you just want to bury your head in the sand and exclude other factors as it pertains to Jones and just proclaim in a manner of speak "he sucks."
And then you go and make exaggerated posts like you've just done here in an attempt to justify your opinion.
People who watch other NFL games vs. People who only watch the Giants
One of my favorite interactions over the last three months was a poster asserting the Giants had the worst OL in the league. Said poster then said he doesn't really watch other teams when asked in the same thread.
Well, it wasn’t me who said that, but even still, many don’t watch other games other than Giant games. (Maybe an occasional Sunday Night or Monday Night)
Nowadays, people use stats from PFF for example….there are plenty of people who rate teams and positions….so one only needs to read their research….not having to watch other teams play.
This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB we like but every other QBs in the leagues warts get magnified.
Do you honestly think if you swapped Jones with Hurts, the Eagles would put up the same offense? No chance, and that’s not even going into passing ability - Hurts is a much better runner than Jones.
Misrepresent issues much? Because you are doing it here. Please provide the link where anyone has suggested you can't point out flaws of Jones? No one said it but posters like you continually misrepresent /over-exaggerate to make your point about Jones.
Yes Jones is flawed but many of us rational posters realize that he could be better if for example if he had Phily's WRs and Tight End and had the Philly OLine.
It doesn't mean we think he will be as good as Hurts or even be a legit starter etc but the point is- you just want to bury your head in the sand and exclude other factors as it pertains to Jones and just proclaim in a manner of speak "he sucks."
And then you go and make exaggerated posts like you've just done here in an attempt to justify your opinion.
You literally can not be serious with this post. First off there’s a lot of people who get very abusive when you even have the slightest criticism of Jones. Nobody exaggerates Jones’ flaws, they’re pretty clear and it’s clear he’s not a good QB. He still wouldn’t be a good QB with AJ Brown and Smith. Tannehill didn’t turn into Aaron Rodgers or even Kirk Cousins when he had Brown, Henry and the Titans oline.
who is more fanatically obsessed with Daniel Jones than his actual parents self-identifying as a "rational poster" is pretty remarkable
Stick to the football issues being discussed….please stay away from diverting the conversation from the players to the posters…that serves no useful purpose. Email someone if you have an issue with and let’s just stick to talking football here.
RE: RE: You can just look at the stats if you want
But that doesn’t say much on the running ability at the Quarterback position.
Hurts runs are better because they are flashier. It doesn't matter that he has 22 more running plays and averages only 3.9 per play.
Yeah, I guess Hurts 3.9 impresses ajr more than Daniel’s 6.2.
I think you may be right….I think ajr isn’t impressed with Danny’s style….must look a bit too awkward…..and he likes the sleeker look (you used flashy) better.
I’m sure ajr’s car is pretty sporty looking….flashier, right? Definitely not a Cadillac. Lol
But that doesn’t say much on the running ability at the Quarterback position.
Hurts runs are better because they are flashier. It doesn't matter that he has 22 more running plays and averages only 3.9 per play.
Not what I said, but ok. I’m convinced nobody watches other teams. Jones averages more YPA than Josh Allen, is he better runner than Allen?
And by the same logic is Geno Smith averaging nearly 2 more YPA throwing mean he’s better than Jones?
I’m not playing this game with you- we are discussing Jones v Hurts. You said they are equal as passers but Hurts is a better rusher. That is what we are discussing….
If you want to compare Geno with Danny, go start a new thread.
Of using stats through 4 games to prove that Jones is a better runner than Hurts. If you can’t grasp that or just want to avoid it because exposes the flaw in your argument, there’s no point in even having this discussion.
Hurts has the better running skills. He’s faster, the better athlete, he’s shiftier. Watch the actual games.
the most positive thing you can find is "hard to evaluate". Cool. Let's commit to that.
There are 13 games left in the season, who said anything about commitment? Some fans can live with the uncertainty while... ...others? - ( New Window )
I think there's a disconnect at the premise level: the fans who "can live with the uncertainty" are the only ones who even believe there is uncertainty to be lived with at this point.
It isn't about being able to live with the uncertainty, IMO. It's about defining uncertainty vs. inevitability.
Of using stats through 4 games to prove that Jones is a better runner than Hurts. If you can’t grasp that or just want to avoid it because exposes the flaw in your argument, there’s no point in even having this discussion.
Hurts has the better running skills. He’s faster, the better athlete, he’s shiftier. Watch the actual games.
Just curious….is there a qb who has a longer run from scrimmage than our Danny boy? Too bad he tripped…imagine a 90 something yard TD run from a qb.
Of using stats through 4 games to prove that Jones is a better runner than Hurts. If you can’t grasp that or just want to avoid it because exposes the flaw in your argument, there’s no point in even having this discussion.
Hurts has the better running skills. He’s faster, the better athlete, he’s shiftier. Watch the actual games.
You said….”Hurts has the better running skills. He’s faster, the better athlete, he’s shiftier..”
If Hurts is all that, then why is Danny doing better than him? I mean come on….Hurts is faster, shiftier, better athlete…..why is he only averaging 3.9 instead of 10.9? And what about the two fumbles?
You are dense man. If we’re going just by stats then Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league right? If all you care about are the rushing stats through four games this conversation is pointless
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones may not take an offer from the Giants?
You make funny here, but many on this site were clamoring for Pickett to be picked to replace Jones. Let’s see- one game in, 3 interceptions. Nice start. But I’m not saying he can’t turn it around and become a good NFL QB.
The truth is, maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t really know (guys like Pickett).
I can see your post is funny too…
No, wrong post….my funny post was the AJ Klein Appreciation thread…..
Has the longest TD run for a QB. I guess he’s the best rushing QB of all time by your logic.
Thanks…I forgot about that 93 yard run. Well, even if Danny didn’t trip, it would have only been 88. But you mentioned Hurts is faster….Danny is pretty fast once he gets a head of steam up….I mean no one was even near him on that 80 yard run.
You are dense man. If we’re going just by stats then Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league right? If all you care about are the rushing stats through four games this conversation is pointless
I guess we are at a point where we will have to agree to disagree.
But for the record, just so we can see the numbers…
Hurts
2022….53 for 205 yards; 3.9 YPC; 4 Tds
2021…139 for 784 yards; 5.6 YPC; 10 TDs
2020….63 for 354 yards; 5.6 YPC; 3 TDs
Jones
2022….31 for 193 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
2020…65 for 423 yards; 6.5 YPC; 1 TD (should have been 2, lol)
2019…45 for 279 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
The only conclusions I can draw from these 3 years is this:
1. Hurts runs much more. (Not quite twice as much more; 44% more)
2. Hurts scores more TDs (not surprising)
3. Jones average per carry are better each year
I can’t say Hurts is the better runner because of these numbers….but I can say he runs much more than Jones and scores more rushing TDs.
RE: RE: RE: Why does it matter if nobody complimented Hurts before this year?
This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB we like but every other QBs in the leagues warts get magnified.
Do you honestly think if you swapped Jones with Hurts, the Eagles would put up the same offense? No chance, and that’s not even going into passing ability - Hurts is a much better runner than Jones.
Misrepresent issues much? Because you are doing it here. Please provide the link where anyone has suggested you can't point out flaws of Jones? No one said it but posters like you continually misrepresent /over-exaggerate to make your point about Jones.
Yes Jones is flawed but many of us rational posters realize that he could be better if for example if he had Phily's WRs and Tight End and had the Philly OLine.
It doesn't mean we think he will be as good as Hurts or even be a legit starter etc but the point is- you just want to bury your head in the sand and exclude other factors as it pertains to Jones and just proclaim in a manner of speak "he sucks."
And then you go and make exaggerated posts like you've just done here in an attempt to justify your opinion.
You literally can not be serious with this post. First off there’s a lot of people who get very abusive when you even have the slightest criticism of Jones. Nobody exaggerates Jones’ flaws, they’re pretty clear and it’s clear he’s not a good QB. He still wouldn’t be a good QB with AJ Brown and Smith. Tannehill didn’t turn into Aaron Rodgers or even Kirk Cousins when he had Brown, Henry and the Titans oline.
You literally can not be serious with this post.
1-- Posters attack oyu beucase hwo oyu rpesent your opinions. On this verty thread you've made psots If you just criticized Jones and left it at that but overall you set yourself up for antagonistic posts (I do too).
1a -- "Since people on this site just make up stuff to attack over"
1b--- "Not sure why that concept doesn’t seem to exist on this site."
1c-- "This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB . . ."
2--- Nobody exaggerates Jones flaws? NOBODY? I love it.
3a--- It's clear that SY thinks he could be "a good enough QB." I've provided the link to you before and apparently I must do it again because you must've forgotten (sarcasm). .
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
3b--- But I just want to make it clear that you are saying exactly the opposite of what SY is saying about Jones if the past quote you provided me came from him which I have no reason to not believe it didn't. So thanks - so - because Philly's Offense and Defense are all top notch. So here is the link you provided and from what Sy said:
"The ceiling being a guy who absolutely needs the team around him to be top notch."
In summary - whose opinion do we think generally is it better to go with Sys's a Pr Scout? Or you = a a couch fan who loves to exaggerate?
I guess we are at a point where we will have to agree to disagree.
But for the record, just so we can see the numbers…
Hurts
2022….53 for 205 yards; 3.9 YPC; 4 Tds
2021…139 for 784 yards; 5.6 YPC; 10 TDs
2020….63 for 354 yards; 5.6 YPC; 3 TDs
Jones
2022….31 for 193 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
2020…65 for 423 yards; 6.5 YPC; 1 TD (should have been 2, lol)
2019…45 for 279 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
The only conclusions I can draw from these 3 years is this:
1. Hurts runs much more. (Not quite twice as much more; 44% more)
2. Hurts scores more TDs (not surprising)
3. Jones average per carry are better each year
I can’t say Hurts is the better runner because of these numbers….but I can say he runs much more than Jones and scores more rushing TDs.
You're barking up the wrong tree if you want to post logic with that poster.
Got to run.
It’s year 4 of this nonsense of posters comparing Jones
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
RE: Hurts is the 2nd best running QB in the league to Lamar
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
RE: RE: Hurts is the 2nd best running QB in the league to Lamar
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
they're close. Josh Allen is amazing. Last season yardage was similar. Hurts had 10 TDs to Allen's 6 TDs
RE: RE: RE: Hurts is the 2nd best running QB in the league to Lamar
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
If Murray wanted to run (and the team wanted him to)
I think he's as good as Hurts. I like Murray for some bigger plays, Hurts better to get tough yards.
But he just doesn't want to play that way and maybe his body couldn't handle it.
In terms of what they actually do, Hurts is the 2nd best behind Lamar. Allen and Kyler both have the ability to be up there, but they don't have the usage.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Why does it matter if nobody complimented Hurts before this year?
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
The prior week vs Carolina he made the comment "He can do it."
And then he's making weekly comments on Giants board specifically going over the Giants that you are too stupid to understand that when he says the below after the Dallas game - and referring to January he is talking about the Giants. How can you not understand he is talking about the Giants and Jones after the season as he speaks about “the pile?” I know you are ignorant but seriously I can't believe you are this stupid.
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
The prior week vs Carolina he made the comment "He can do it."
And then he's making weekly comments on Giants board specifically going over the Giants that you are too stupid to understand that when he says the below after the Dallas game - and referring to January he is talking about the Giants. How can you not understand he is talking about the Giants and Jones after the season as he speaks about “the pile?” I know you are ignorant but seriously I can't believe you are this stupid.
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
Wow….I will be honest here….I really didn’t know how many yards Murray had last year, so I’m surprised he only had 88 carries for 423, 5 TDs and 4.8 average. Murray was injured last year, missed two games and I think was limited for other games. That may have caused the low carries (88).
The year before was his big year:
2020: 133 for 819 yards, 11 TDs and a 6.2 average……all much better than any year of Hurts.
As for Josh Allen
2021: 122 for 763 yards, 6 TDs, with a 6.3 YPC. Hurts has more TDs while Josh has a better YPC. Yards pretty similar.
So, I guess your statement saying Hurts is the 2nd best running qb does have some validity. You were not “crazy” for saying that as i accused you of being. I apologize for mocking you…that was obviously inappropriate and not supported. Me bad.
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
Wow….I will be honest here….I really didn’t know how many yards Murray had last year, so I’m surprised he only had 88 carries for 423, 5 TDs and 4.8 average. Murray was injured last year, missed two games and I think was limited for other games. That may have caused the low carries (88).
The year before was his big year:
2020: 133 for 819 yards, 11 TDs and a 6.2 average……all much better than any year of Hurts.
As for Josh Allen
2021: 122 for 763 yards, 6 TDs, with a 6.3 YPC. Hurts has more TDs while Josh has a better YPC. Yards pretty similar.
So, I guess your statement saying Hurts is the 2nd best running qb does have some validity. You were not “crazy” for saying that as i accused you of being. I apologize for mocking you…that was obviously inappropriate and not supported. Me bad.
You're a class act. Thanks for rethinking it. Yes the Murray numbers you cite from 2020 put him in the conversation but he seems to run less, perhaps his size or potential for injury? Lamar, Hurts and Allen seem to evade injury, at least for now.
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Said Hurts is a better runner and has made strides in his passing game. I didn’t even say he was a better passer than Jones, but at a minimum they’re equal as a passer.
If they “are equal as passers” (your words), then how could you say “Hurts is better” (your words in title).
How is he better? If you say rushing, even that is debatable. Without looking, imwould think both are doing well with yards rushing and TDs.
It’s really not debatable that Hurts is a better runner. Jones is just a straight line runner, Hurts is a better runner in the open field and even inside the pocket
For the record, let’s compare 2022 stats.
Hurts:
53-205 yards; 3.9 yards per carry; 4 TDs, 2 fumbles
Jones:
31 - 193 yards; 6.2 yards per carry ; 2 TDs, 0 fumbles
“It’s not really debatable…..” hmmmmmmmmm, says who?
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Oh no…we’re screwed
You make funny here, but many on this site were clamoring for Pickett to be picked to replace Jones. Let’s see- one game in, 3 interceptions. Nice start. But I’m not saying he can’t turn it around and become a good NFL QB.
The truth is, maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t really know (guys like Pickett).
I can see your post is funny too…
No, wrong post….my funny post was the AJ Klein Appreciation thread…..
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Oh no…we’re screwed
You make funny here, but many on this site were clamoring for Pickett to be picked to replace Jones. Let’s see- one game in, 3 interceptions. Nice start. But I’m not saying he can’t turn it around and become a good NFL QB.
The truth is, maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t really know (guys like Pickett).
Will the two devils have the same price tag next year? Or does the devil you know potentially cost 3x+ the amount that the devil you don't know?
And isolating your one-game-sample-size doesn't do much to support your argument. I can rattle off just as many QBs who became superstars in the past five years that were drafted later in their own draft than DJ was.
Staying with a loser because you're afraid of the alternative (to a loser) is rooted in cowardice.
One of my favorite interactions over the last three months was a poster asserting the Giants had the worst OL in the league. Said poster then said he doesn't really watch other teams when asked in the same thread.
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Oh no…we’re screwed
You make funny here, but many on this site were clamoring for Pickett to be picked to replace Jones. Let’s see- one game in, 3 interceptions. Nice start. But I’m not saying he can’t turn it around and become a good NFL QB.
The truth is, maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t really know (guys like Pickett).
Will the two devils have the same price tag next year? Or does the devil you know potentially cost 3x+ the amount that the devil you don't know?
And isolating your one-game-sample-size doesn't do much to support your argument. I can rattle off just as many QBs who became superstars in the past five years that were drafted later in their own draft than DJ was.
Staying with a loser because you're afraid of the alternative (to a loser) is rooted in cowardice.
You make good points….I for one don’t want to spend big bucks on a guy that I don’t have utmost confidence in. I’m sure Schoen and Daboll feel the same, so I defer to their decision and me personally, I stay neutral regarding should we or shouldn’t we resign Jones.
Golladay ‘s $72 M and many in Dallas are crying over both Zeke and Dak’# big contracts…..no, I am a big believer in SPENDING WISELY. Count the costs….if you can get a qb who may be similar in talent for far less, that makes sense to me. But you still have to wisely assess both the guy leaving and the new guy you may be bringing in to replace him. Not always black and white.
These guys obviously don't watch other teams. How do they come in so hot with arguments when they have so little knowledge?
This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB we like but every other QBs in the leagues warts get magnified.
Do you honestly think if you swapped Jones with Hurts, the Eagles would put up the same offense? No chance, and that’s not even going into passing ability - Hurts is a much better runner than Jones.
Misrepresent issues much? Because you are doing it here. Please provide the link where anyone has suggested you can't point out flaws of Jones? No one said it but posters like you continually misrepresent /over-exaggerate to make your point about Jones.
Yes Jones is flawed but many of us rational posters realize that he could be better if for example if he had Phily's WRs and Tight End and had the Philly OLine.
It doesn't mean we think he will be as good as Hurts or even be a legit starter etc but the point is- you just want to bury your head in the sand and exclude other factors as it pertains to Jones and just proclaim in a manner of speak "he sucks."
And then you go and make exaggerated posts like you've just done here in an attempt to justify your opinion.
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People who watch other NFL games vs. People who only watch the Giants
One of my favorite interactions over the last three months was a poster asserting the Giants had the worst OL in the league. Said poster then said he doesn't really watch other teams when asked in the same thread.
Well, it wasn’t me who said that, but even still, many don’t watch other games other than Giant games. (Maybe an occasional Sunday Night or Monday Night)
Nowadays, people use stats from PFF for example….there are plenty of people who rate teams and positions….so one only needs to read their research….not having to watch other teams play.
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This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB we like but every other QBs in the leagues warts get magnified.
Do you honestly think if you swapped Jones with Hurts, the Eagles would put up the same offense? No chance, and that’s not even going into passing ability - Hurts is a much better runner than Jones.
Misrepresent issues much? Because you are doing it here. Please provide the link where anyone has suggested you can't point out flaws of Jones? No one said it but posters like you continually misrepresent /over-exaggerate to make your point about Jones.
Yes Jones is flawed but many of us rational posters realize that he could be better if for example if he had Phily's WRs and Tight End and had the Philly OLine.
It doesn't mean we think he will be as good as Hurts or even be a legit starter etc but the point is- you just want to bury your head in the sand and exclude other factors as it pertains to Jones and just proclaim in a manner of speak "he sucks."
And then you go and make exaggerated posts like you've just done here in an attempt to justify your opinion.
You literally can not be serious with this post. First off there’s a lot of people who get very abusive when you even have the slightest criticism of Jones. Nobody exaggerates Jones’ flaws, they’re pretty clear and it’s clear he’s not a good QB. He still wouldn’t be a good QB with AJ Brown and Smith. Tannehill didn’t turn into Aaron Rodgers or even Kirk Cousins when he had Brown, Henry and the Titans oline.
Stick to the football issues being discussed….please stay away from diverting the conversation from the players to the posters…that serves no useful purpose. Email someone if you have an issue with and let’s just stick to talking football here.
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But that doesn’t say much on the running ability at the Quarterback position.
Hurts runs are better because they are flashier. It doesn't matter that he has 22 more running plays and averages only 3.9 per play.
Not what I said, but ok. I’m convinced nobody watches other teams. Jones averages more YPA than Josh Allen, is he better runner than Allen?
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But that doesn’t say much on the running ability at the Quarterback position.
Hurts runs are better because they are flashier. It doesn't matter that he has 22 more running plays and averages only 3.9 per play.
Not what I said, but ok. I’m convinced nobody watches other teams. Jones averages more YPA than Josh Allen, is he better runner than Allen?
And by the same logic is Geno Smith averaging nearly 2 more YPA throwing mean he’s better than Jones?
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But that doesn’t say much on the running ability at the Quarterback position.
Hurts runs are better because they are flashier. It doesn't matter that he has 22 more running plays and averages only 3.9 per play.
Yeah, I guess Hurts 3.9 impresses ajr more than Daniel’s 6.2.
I think you may be right….I think ajr isn’t impressed with Danny’s style….must look a bit too awkward…..and he likes the sleeker look (you used flashy) better.
I’m sure ajr’s car is pretty sporty looking….flashier, right? Definitely not a Cadillac. Lol
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But that doesn’t say much on the running ability at the Quarterback position.
Hurts runs are better because they are flashier. It doesn't matter that he has 22 more running plays and averages only 3.9 per play.
Not what I said, but ok. I’m convinced nobody watches other teams. Jones averages more YPA than Josh Allen, is he better runner than Allen?
And by the same logic is Geno Smith averaging nearly 2 more YPA throwing mean he’s better than Jones?
I’m not playing this game with you- we are discussing Jones v Hurts. You said they are equal as passers but Hurts is a better rusher. That is what we are discussing….
If you want to compare Geno with Danny, go start a new thread.
Hurts has the better running skills. He’s faster, the better athlete, he’s shiftier. Watch the actual games.
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the most positive thing you can find is "hard to evaluate". Cool. Let's commit to that.
There are 13 games left in the season, who said anything about commitment? Some fans can live with the uncertainty while... ...others? - ( New Window )
I think there's a disconnect at the premise level: the fans who "can live with the uncertainty" are the only ones who even believe there is uncertainty to be lived with at this point.
It isn't about being able to live with the uncertainty, IMO. It's about defining uncertainty vs. inevitability.
Hurts has the better running skills. He’s faster, the better athlete, he’s shiftier. Watch the actual games.
Just curious….is there a qb who has a longer run from scrimmage than our Danny boy? Too bad he tripped…imagine a 90 something yard TD run from a qb.
Hurts has the better running skills. He’s faster, the better athlete, he’s shiftier. Watch the actual games.
You said….”Hurts has the better running skills. He’s faster, the better athlete, he’s shiftier..”
If Hurts is all that, then why is Danny doing better than him? I mean come on….Hurts is faster, shiftier, better athlete…..why is he only averaging 3.9 instead of 10.9? And what about the two fumbles?
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Oh no…we’re screwed
You make funny here, but many on this site were clamoring for Pickett to be picked to replace Jones. Let’s see- one game in, 3 interceptions. Nice start. But I’m not saying he can’t turn it around and become a good NFL QB.
The truth is, maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t really know (guys like Pickett).
I can see your post is funny too…
No, wrong post….my funny post was the AJ Klein Appreciation thread…..
I just looked at that thread.
Trust me, yours above is funnier…
Thanks…I forgot about that 93 yard run. Well, even if Danny didn’t trip, it would have only been 88. But you mentioned Hurts is faster….Danny is pretty fast once he gets a head of steam up….I mean no one was even near him on that 80 yard run.
He will plan accordingly and will have multiple avenues he can take. Jones needs to play really well to be in the discussion.
I guess we are at a point where we will have to agree to disagree.
But for the record, just so we can see the numbers…
Hurts
2022….53 for 205 yards; 3.9 YPC; 4 Tds
2021…139 for 784 yards; 5.6 YPC; 10 TDs
2020….63 for 354 yards; 5.6 YPC; 3 TDs
Jones
2022….31 for 193 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
2020…65 for 423 yards; 6.5 YPC; 1 TD (should have been 2, lol)
2019…45 for 279 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
The only conclusions I can draw from these 3 years is this:
1. Hurts runs much more. (Not quite twice as much more; 44% more)
2. Hurts scores more TDs (not surprising)
3. Jones average per carry are better each year
I can’t say Hurts is the better runner because of these numbers….but I can say he runs much more than Jones and scores more rushing TDs.
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This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB we like but every other QBs in the leagues warts get magnified.
Do you honestly think if you swapped Jones with Hurts, the Eagles would put up the same offense? No chance, and that’s not even going into passing ability - Hurts is a much better runner than Jones.
Misrepresent issues much? Because you are doing it here. Please provide the link where anyone has suggested you can't point out flaws of Jones? No one said it but posters like you continually misrepresent /over-exaggerate to make your point about Jones.
Yes Jones is flawed but many of us rational posters realize that he could be better if for example if he had Phily's WRs and Tight End and had the Philly OLine.
It doesn't mean we think he will be as good as Hurts or even be a legit starter etc but the point is- you just want to bury your head in the sand and exclude other factors as it pertains to Jones and just proclaim in a manner of speak "he sucks."
And then you go and make exaggerated posts like you've just done here in an attempt to justify your opinion.
You literally can not be serious with this post. First off there’s a lot of people who get very abusive when you even have the slightest criticism of Jones. Nobody exaggerates Jones’ flaws, they’re pretty clear and it’s clear he’s not a good QB. He still wouldn’t be a good QB with AJ Brown and Smith. Tannehill didn’t turn into Aaron Rodgers or even Kirk Cousins when he had Brown, Henry and the Titans oline.
You literally can not be serious with this post.
1-- Posters attack oyu beucase hwo oyu rpesent your opinions. On this verty thread you've made psots If you just criticized Jones and left it at that but overall you set yourself up for antagonistic posts (I do too).
1a -- "Since people on this site just make up stuff to attack over"
1b--- "Not sure why that concept doesn’t seem to exist on this site."
1c-- "This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB . . ."
2--- Nobody exaggerates Jones flaws? NOBODY? I love it.
3a--- It's clear that SY thinks he could be "a good enough QB." I've provided the link to you before and apparently I must do it again because you must've forgotten (sarcasm). .
https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2022/09/28/game-review-dallas-cowboys-23-new-york-giants-16/
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
3b--- But I just want to make it clear that you are saying exactly the opposite of what SY is saying about Jones if the past quote you provided me came from him which I have no reason to not believe it didn't. So thanks - so - because Philly's Offense and Defense are all top notch. So here is the link you provided and from what Sy said:
"The ceiling being a guy who absolutely needs the team around him to be top notch."
In summary - whose opinion do we think generally is it better to go with Sys's a Pr Scout? Or you = a a couch fan who loves to exaggerate?
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I guess we are at a point where we will have to agree to disagree.
But for the record, just so we can see the numbers…
Hurts
2022….53 for 205 yards; 3.9 YPC; 4 Tds
2021…139 for 784 yards; 5.6 YPC; 10 TDs
2020….63 for 354 yards; 5.6 YPC; 3 TDs
Jones
2022….31 for 193 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
2020…65 for 423 yards; 6.5 YPC; 1 TD (should have been 2, lol)
2019…45 for 279 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
The only conclusions I can draw from these 3 years is this:
1. Hurts runs much more. (Not quite twice as much more; 44% more)
2. Hurts scores more TDs (not surprising)
3. Jones average per carry are better each year
I can’t say Hurts is the better runner because of these numbers….but I can say he runs much more than Jones and scores more rushing TDs.
You're barking up the wrong tree if you want to post logic with that poster.
Got to run.
He just has to play at a higher level all by himself at this point otherwise it’s over…
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
Josh Allen?
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this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
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this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
they're close. Josh Allen is amazing. Last season yardage was similar. Hurts had 10 TDs to Allen's 6 TDs
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this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
But he just doesn't want to play that way and maybe his body couldn't handle it.
In terms of what they actually do, Hurts is the 2nd best behind Lamar. Allen and Kyler both have the ability to be up there, but they don't have the usage.
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https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2022/09/28/game-review-dallas-cowboys-23-new-york-giants-16/
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
The prior week vs Carolina he made the comment "He can do it."
And then he's making weekly comments on Giants board specifically going over the Giants that you are too stupid to understand that when he says the below after the Dallas game - and referring to January he is talking about the Giants. How can you not understand he is talking about the Giants and Jones after the season as he speaks about “the pile?” I know you are ignorant but seriously I can't believe you are this stupid.
https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2022/09/28/game-review-dallas-cowboys-23-new-york-giants-16/
“I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January.”
You can’t be this stupid. Just being a troll?
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Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
He bullshits.
And be careful he recently told me he's a "Cosell Disciple."
hahahahaha LMAO. I kid you not. Hahahahahaha
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https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2022/09/28/game-review-dallas-cowboys-23-new-york-giants-16/
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
The prior week vs Carolina he made the comment "He can do it."
And then he's making weekly comments on Giants board specifically going over the Giants that you are too stupid to understand that when he says the below after the Dallas game - and referring to January he is talking about the Giants. How can you not understand he is talking about the Giants and Jones after the season as he speaks about “the pile?” I know you are ignorant but seriously I can't believe you are this stupid.
https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2022/09/28/game-review-dallas-cowboys-23-new-york-giants-16/
“I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January.”
You can’t be this stupid. Just being a troll?
One game added to a very small positive pile. Woohoo!
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Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
He bullshits.
And be careful he recently told me he's a "Cosell Disciple."
hahahahaha LMAO. I kid you not. Hahahahahaha
Jeez you're a clown. Stay away from my posts unless you are willing to read them.
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this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
Wow….I will be honest here….I really didn’t know how many yards Murray had last year, so I’m surprised he only had 88 carries for 423, 5 TDs and 4.8 average. Murray was injured last year, missed two games and I think was limited for other games. That may have caused the low carries (88).
The year before was his big year:
2020: 133 for 819 yards, 11 TDs and a 6.2 average……all much better than any year of Hurts.
As for Josh Allen
2021: 122 for 763 yards, 6 TDs, with a 6.3 YPC. Hurts has more TDs while Josh has a better YPC. Yards pretty similar.
So, I guess your statement saying Hurts is the 2nd best running qb does have some validity. You were not “crazy” for saying that as i accused you of being. I apologize for mocking you…that was obviously inappropriate and not supported. Me bad.
He will plan accordingly and will have multiple avenues he can take. Jones needs to play really well to be in the discussion.
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In comment 15850162 5BowlsSoon said:
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this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
Wow….I will be honest here….I really didn’t know how many yards Murray had last year, so I’m surprised he only had 88 carries for 423, 5 TDs and 4.8 average. Murray was injured last year, missed two games and I think was limited for other games. That may have caused the low carries (88).
The year before was his big year:
2020: 133 for 819 yards, 11 TDs and a 6.2 average……all much better than any year of Hurts.
As for Josh Allen
2021: 122 for 763 yards, 6 TDs, with a 6.3 YPC. Hurts has more TDs while Josh has a better YPC. Yards pretty similar.
So, I guess your statement saying Hurts is the 2nd best running qb does have some validity. You were not “crazy” for saying that as i accused you of being. I apologize for mocking you…that was obviously inappropriate and not supported. Me bad.
You're a class act. Thanks for rethinking it. Yes the Murray numbers you cite from 2020 put him in the conversation but he seems to run less, perhaps his size or potential for injury? Lamar, Hurts and Allen seem to evade injury, at least for now.