An earlier thread asked the question as to whether DJ should be brought back Jones next year.
Do you think management has already made that decision regardless of where we draft, what the salary demands would be or who's available via free agency?
that the more games we win this year the worse will be our selection for the top QBs in the draft. So where does that leave us? Cooper Rush? He's a fees agent. I not sure who else is a free agent, but we're not getting much better than we have now unfortunately.
Going to be a real tough decision with all the variables of who is a free agent: Is he better than Daniel? Is he affordable? Is there someone in the draft that where we pick, can't miss? And for that last question, how many that are drafted are "can't miss"?
I am wondering is he's be the starter next year out of necessity?
is not a good option.
If he gets an offer above his worth in free agency let him go.
But unless we are picking in the top 5 again (which means he underperformed) what are the odds of gaining a better QB?
Because his QB rating was about 27th two weeks ago and it is 19 now. Suppose it keeps improving despite the pathetic WR's and bad Offensive Line?
So in the past 3 years you've had posters use stats to show that Jones was no good, and now if his QB rating continues to climb and God Forbid the Giants make the Playoffs or in it until the last week while his QBR is pretty good
You feel they should now all of sudden DISREGARD the stats since week 2 of the season and count the past as more relevant stats????? SO DISREGARD current 15 weeks of data and use past 3 years?????
That would be stupid. Something stupid that Producer or BW might say.
that the more games we win this year the worse will be our selection for the top QBs in the draft. So where does that leave us? Cooper Rush? He's a fees agent. I not sure who else is a free agent, but we're not getting much better than we have now unfortunately.
Going to be a real tough decision with all the variables of who is a free agent: Is he better than Daniel? Is he affordable? Is there someone in the draft that where we pick, can't miss? And for that last question, how many that are drafted are "can't miss"?
I am wondering is he's be the starter next year out of necessity?
A rookie of similar talent is better than what we have now because he would be here on a rookie deal instead of a second deal worth more than $20M per year.
is not a good option.
If he gets an offer above his worth in free agency let him go.
But unless we are picking in the top 5 again (which means he underperformed) what are the odds of gaining a better QB?
Because his QB rating was about 27th two weeks ago and it is 19 now. Suppose it keeps improving despite the pathetic WR's and bad Offensive Line?
So in the past 3 years you've had posters use stats to show that Jones was no good, and now if his QB rating continues to climb and God Forbid the Giants make the Playoffs or in it until the last week while his QBR is pretty good
You feel they should now all of sudden DISREGARD the stats since week 2 of the season and count the past as more relevant stats????? SO DISREGARD current 15 weeks of data and use past 3 years?????
That would be stupid. Something stupid that Producer or BW might say.
Disregard? No. By all means use these stats extrapolated out. There is no way I pay over $20M to a QB with his numbers.
is not a good option.
If he gets an offer above his worth in free agency let him go.
But unless we are picking in the top 5 again (which means he underperformed) what are the odds of gaining a better QB?
Because his QB rating was about 27th two weeks ago and it is 19 now. Suppose it keeps improving despite the pathetic WR's and bad Offensive Line?
So in the past 3 years you've had posters use stats to show that Jones was no good, and now if his QB rating continues to climb and God Forbid the Giants make the Playoffs or in it until the last week while his QBR is pretty good
You feel they should now all of sudden DISREGARD the stats since week 2 of the season and count the past as more relevant stats????? SO DISREGARD current 15 weeks of data and use past 3 years?????
That would be stupid. Something stupid that Producer or BW might say.
Disregard? No. By all means use these stats extrapolated out. There is no way I pay over $20M to a QB with his numbers.
Readign comprehnasion Matt?
Tell me Matt-- I said his QBR was about 27 after the 1st two weeks and it's now 17.
What is it that you don't understand or don't want to understand?
Maybe I used too big of words that maybe you can't understand such as "IF" and "Suppose." ????
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is not a good option.
If he gets an offer above his worth in free agency let him go.
But unless we are picking in the top 5 again (which means he underperformed) what are the odds of gaining a better QB?
Because his QB rating was about 27th two weeks ago and it is 19 now. Suppose it keeps improving despite the pathetic WR's and bad Offensive Line?
So in the past 3 years you've had posters use stats to show that Jones was no good, and now if his QB rating continues to climb and God Forbid the Giants make the Playoffs or in it until the last week while his QBR is pretty good
You feel they should now all of sudden DISREGARD the stats since week 2 of the season and count the past as more relevant stats????? SO DISREGARD current 15 weeks of data and use past 3 years?????
That would be stupid. Something stupid that Producer or BW might say.
Disregard? No. By all means use these stats extrapolated out. There is no way I pay over $20M to a QB with his numbers.
Readign comprehnasion Matt?
Tell me Matt-- I said his QBR was about 27 after the 1st two weeks and it's now 17.
What is it that you don't understand or don't want to understand?
Maybe I used too big of words that maybe you can't understand such as "IF" and "Suppose." ????
This topic has been talked about enough….why don’t you just go through the archives?
But here is the short answer- Schoen and Daboll are going to let the year play out before making any decision. So, may I suggest you do as I do….chill and watch it unfold. You will know something by 1/1/23, I’m sure (that’s less than 3 months from now).
that the more games we win this year the worse will be our selection for the top QBs in the draft. So where does that leave us? Cooper Rush? He's a fees agent. I not sure who else is a free agent, but we're not getting much better than we have now unfortunately.
Going to be a real tough decision with all the variables of who is a free agent: Is he better than Daniel? Is he affordable? Is there someone in the draft that where we pick, can't miss? And for that last question, how many that are drafted are "can't miss"?
I am wondering is he's be the starter next year out of necessity?
A rookie of similar talent is better than what we have now because he would be here on a rookie deal instead of a second deal worth more than $20M per year.
Where do you think we're going in 2023 Matt with that 2nd year QB? So name the rookie QB this year that is better than Jones? Picket?
Cite the player you mean instead of giving a generalization.
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is not a good option.
If he gets an offer above his worth in free agency let him go.
But unless we are picking in the top 5 again (which means he underperformed) what are the odds of gaining a better QB?
Because his QB rating was about 27th two weeks ago and it is 19 now. Suppose it keeps improving despite the pathetic WR's and bad Offensive Line?
So in the past 3 years you've had posters use stats to show that Jones was no good, and now if his QB rating continues to climb and God Forbid the Giants make the Playoffs or in it until the last week while his QBR is pretty good
You feel they should now all of sudden DISREGARD the stats since week 2 of the season and count the past as more relevant stats????? SO DISREGARD current 15 weeks of data and use past 3 years?????
That would be stupid. Something stupid that Producer or BW might say.
Disregard? No. By all means use these stats extrapolated out. There is no way I pay over $20M to a QB with his numbers.
Readign comprehnasion Matt?
Tell me Matt-- I said his QBR was about 27 after the 1st two weeks and it's now 17.
What is it that you don't understand or don't want to understand?
Maybe I used too big of words that maybe you can't understand such as "IF" and "Suppose." ????
Correction 19 now -- not 17.
No problem here. What is it you don't understand? Is QBR the only stat? His numbers are somewhat pedestrian except for rushing yards. He is not producing anywhere near a $20M QB either as an individual or the offense as a whole. He is an improved player, but nowhere near enough to warrant even a decent 2nd deal here. Someone else will pay him. That's fine by me.
I've said it many times here. I think he would have to have an otherworldly good season (i.e. top 5 in the league) in order to be re-signed. Is he a top 5? He's not even top 10 and likely not top half.
This topic has been talked about enough….why don’t you just go through the archives?
But here is the short answer- Schoen and Daboll are going to let the year play out before making any decision. So, may I suggest you do as I do….chill and watch it unfold. You will know something by 1/1/23, I’m sure (that’s less than 3 months from now).
+1.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Someone explain why letting DJ go to free agency
No problem here. What is it you don't understand? Is QBR the only stat? His numbers are somewhat pedestrian except for rushing yards. He is not producing anywhere near a $20M QB either as an individual or the offense as a whole. He is an improved player, but nowhere near enough to warrant even a decent 2nd deal here. Someone else will pay him. That's fine by me.
I've said it many times here. I think he would have to have an otherworldly good season (i.e. top 5 in the league) in order to be re-signed. Is he a top 5? He's not even top 10 and likely not top half.
Again reading comprehnsion?????????
Frist off- for all the complainers they use the QBR stat when it shows Jones is failing. But now all of a sudden it's not a stat to use?
Secondly, again I used big words like "If" and "Suppose" -- why do you not understand these "big words?"
Yes his stats ARE PEDESTRIAN - ath THIS MOMENT. But the big words I used that seems to elude you are IF HIS QBR continues to climb. IE to paraphrase I said "IF IF IF they continue to climb. You understand the word "IF," right?
So IF his QBR stats continue to climb then wouldn't it stand to reason that PROBABLY other stats are also rising?
Do you really think that the number the QBR stat complies wouldn't show other data that is very favorable? Sure maybe you come up with an extreme irregularity but overall over the course of 17 games if he plays and he has a good QBR at the end playing in all 17 games--
MORE THAN LIKLEY other stats will show positive too.
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I agree definitely too with you and others - his availability is a huge question too.
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But to say he needs an "other worldly good season is ridiculous - suppose he is 12th in QBR with this bad of an OL and lousy WR's. Would you consider that other wordly?
that the more games we win this year the worse will be our selection for the top QBs in the draft. So where does that leave us? Cooper Rush? He's a fees agent. I not sure who else is a free agent, but we're not getting much better than we have now unfortunately.
Going to be a real tough decision with all the variables of who is a free agent: Is he better than Daniel? Is he affordable? Is there someone in the draft that where we pick, can't miss? And for that last question, how many that are drafted are "can't miss"?
I am wondering is he's be the starter next year out of necessity?
When they didn't give him a 5th year option...they basically made the decision that if DJ isn't a top 10 QB ($30 million a year) by the end of the year, he's done. Pick a rookie, pay him $5-6 million a year and see if he can develop into a NFL starter, which DJ isn't. Chasing him in free agency, and getting in a bidding war, is a silly idea.
31st in passing yards (only to Fields)
29th in passing TDs
He's gotten worse in yards an TDs every year he's been in the league? So what if he doesn't turn the ball over...19 points a game won't beat good teams!
We are a lame duck franchise as long as he is the QB
"It can be very hard to accurately evaluate a performance like this one. Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
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I know some of you want to pretend like SY didn't say it.
No problem here. What is it you don't understand? Is QBR the only stat? His numbers are somewhat pedestrian except for rushing yards. He is not producing anywhere near a $20M QB either as an individual or the offense as a whole. He is an improved player, but nowhere near enough to warrant even a decent 2nd deal here. Someone else will pay him. That's fine by me.
I've said it many times here. I think he would have to have an otherworldly good season (i.e. top 5 in the league) in order to be re-signed. Is he a top 5? He's not even top 10 and likely not top half.
Again reading comprehnsion?????????
Frist off- for all the complainers they use the QBR stat when it shows Jones is failing. But now all of a sudden it's not a stat to use?
Secondly, again I used big words like "If" and "Suppose" -- why do you not understand these "big words?"
Yes his stats ARE PEDESTRIAN - ath THIS MOMENT. But the big words I used that seems to elude you are IF HIS QBR continues to climb. IE to paraphrase I said "IF IF IF they continue to climb. You understand the word "IF," right?
So IF his QBR stats continue to climb then wouldn't it stand to reason that PROBABLY other stats are also rising?
Do you really think that the number the QBR stat complies wouldn't show other data that is very favorable? Sure maybe you come up with an extreme irregularity but overall over the course of 17 games if he plays and he has a good QBR at the end playing in all 17 games--
MORE THAN LIKLEY other stats will show positive too.
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I agree definitely too with you and others - his availability is a huge question too.
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But to say he needs an "other worldly good season is ridiculous - suppose he is 12th in QBR with this bad of an OL and lousy WR's. Would you consider that other wordly?
Again QBR has other stats embedded within.
First off, I never used QBR to show anything about a QB, Jones or otherwise. Second, he has had moderate improvement, so that makes your "if" a huge fairy tale hypothetical. So, back to mine...he only gets a second contract in NY IF he is a top 5 QB. That's is not likely at all.
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First off, I never used QBR to show anything about a QB, Jones or otherwise. Second, he has had moderate improvement, so that makes your "if" a huge fairy tale hypothetical. So, back to mine...he only gets a second contract in NY IF he is a top 5 QB. That's is not likely at all.
But then my initial posts weren't about you/addressed to you. Other posters use them to blast Jones. Again reading comprehension. You NEED it. How many times have I said on this thread on THIS THREAD on THIS THREAD that there were posters that used QBR????????? SO again I said how odd it is that they use it and now I'm being told I can't use it.
And you know I use it.
So if you don’t want to use it- that's your prerogative but just because you didn’t; use it doesn't mean I can't.
You don’t want to use it fine. I use it partially. But when you say "moderate improvement" - how are you defining "moderate?"
A jump from 27 to 19 in two weeks is "moderate?"
And I said "IF IF IF he continues to CLIMB."
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IF IF IF IF he continues to CLIMB in his QBR then there will be OTHER stats. Just because you don’t' want to look at them it does not mean that they don’t exist.
And to further among other factors is that I'm listening to SY. SO I shouldn't be blasted in the manner that other poster did for this opinion.
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No problem here. What is it you don't understand? Is QBR the only stat? His numbers are somewhat pedestrian except for rushing yards. He is not producing anywhere near a $20M QB either as an individual or the offense as a whole. He is an improved player, but nowhere near enough to warrant even a decent 2nd deal here. Someone else will pay him. That's fine by me.
I've said it many times here. I think he would have to have an otherworldly good season (i.e. top 5 in the league) in order to be re-signed. Is he a top 5? He's not even top 10 and likely not top half.
Again reading comprehnsion?????????
Frist off- for all the complainers they use the QBR stat when it shows Jones is failing. But now all of a sudden it's not a stat to use?
Secondly, again I used big words like "If" and "Suppose" -- why do you not understand these "big words?"
Yes his stats ARE PEDESTRIAN - ath THIS MOMENT. But the big words I used that seems to elude you are IF HIS QBR continues to climb. IE to paraphrase I said "IF IF IF they continue to climb. You understand the word "IF," right?
So IF his QBR stats continue to climb then wouldn't it stand to reason that PROBABLY other stats are also rising?
Do you really think that the number the QBR stat complies wouldn't show other data that is very favorable? Sure maybe you come up with an extreme irregularity but overall over the course of 17 games if he plays and he has a good QBR at the end playing in all 17 games--
MORE THAN LIKLEY other stats will show positive too.
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I agree definitely too with you and others - his availability is a huge question too.
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But to say he needs an "other worldly good season is ridiculous - suppose he is 12th in QBR with this bad of an OL and lousy WR's. Would you consider that other wordly?
Again QBR has other stats embedded within.
First off, I never used QBR to show anything about a QB, Jones or otherwise. Second, he has had moderate improvement, so that makes your "if" a huge fairy tale hypothetical. So, back to mine...he only gets a second contract in NY IF he is a top 5 QB. That's is not likely at all.
But then my initial posts weren't about you/addressed to you. Other posters use them to blast Jones. Again reading comprehension. You NEED it. How many times have I said on this thread on THIS THREAD on THIS THREAD that there were posters that used QBR????????? SO again I said how odd it is that they use it and now I'm being told I can't use it.
And you know I use it.
So if you don’t want to use it- that's your prerogative but just because you didn’t; use it doesn't mean I can't.
You don’t want to use it fine. I use it partially. But when you say "moderate improvement" - how are you defining "moderate?"
A jump from 27 to 19 in two weeks is "moderate?"
And I said "IF IF IF he continues to CLIMB."
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IF IF IF IF he continues to CLIMB in his QBR then there will be OTHER stats. Just because you don’t' want to look at them it does not mean that they don’t exist.
And to further among other factors is that I'm listening to SY. SO I shouldn't be blasted in the manner that other poster did for this opinion.
Where are people pulling these salary numbers for Jones from? He's not going to see that kind of money. With that being said if the team is in the 8+ win range the chances of them having a chance at any of the top QB's in what's turning into a weaker class than people thought it would without trading up is pretty small. I highly doubt the Giants Brain Trust trades a bunch picks for a shot at any of them with all the holes in this roster. So that leaves brining DJ back on a short term prove it deal or looking at the available FA's to decide if the cost/benefit ratio merits signing one of them. Schoen & Daboll have 13 more games to make that decision. Based on these scenarios I wouldn't be surprised if DJ is still wearing blue next season.
Sure they haven’t. Whatever gets you to sleep at night.
It's the people who believe a decision has already been made that are just comforting themselves. Close-mindedness rooted in insecurities. God forbid they should be proven wrong after months of pontificating. It's really quite adorable.
the most positive thing you can find is "hard to evaluate". Cool. Let's commit to that.
There are 13 games left in the season, who said anything about commitment? Some fans can live with the uncertainty while... ...others? - ( New Window )
the most positive thing you can find is "hard to evaluate". Cool. Let's commit to that.
There are 13 games left in the season, who said anything about commitment? Some fans can live with the uncertainty while... ...others? - ( New Window )
Unbelievable isn't it??
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No problem here. What is it you don't understand? Is QBR the only stat? His numbers are somewhat pedestrian except for rushing yards. He is not producing anywhere near a $20M QB either as an individual or the offense as a whole. He is an improved player, but nowhere near enough to warrant even a decent 2nd deal here. Someone else will pay him. That's fine by me.
I've said it many times here. I think he would have to have an otherworldly good season (i.e. top 5 in the league) in order to be re-signed. Is he a top 5? He's not even top 10 and likely not top half.
Again reading comprehnsion?????????
Frist off- for all the complainers they use the QBR stat when it shows Jones is failing. But now all of a sudden it's not a stat to use?
Secondly, again I used big words like "If" and "Suppose" -- why do you not understand these "big words?"
Yes his stats ARE PEDESTRIAN - ath THIS MOMENT. But the big words I used that seems to elude you are IF HIS QBR continues to climb. IE to paraphrase I said "IF IF IF they continue to climb. You understand the word "IF," right?
So IF his QBR stats continue to climb then wouldn't it stand to reason that PROBABLY other stats are also rising?
Do you really think that the number the QBR stat complies wouldn't show other data that is very favorable? Sure maybe you come up with an extreme irregularity but overall over the course of 17 games if he plays and he has a good QBR at the end playing in all 17 games--
MORE THAN LIKLEY other stats will show positive too.
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I agree definitely too with you and others - his availability is a huge question too.
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But to say he needs an "other worldly good season is ridiculous - suppose he is 12th in QBR with this bad of an OL and lousy WR's. Would you consider that other wordly?
Again QBR has other stats embedded within.
Most people on this thread use their eyes, not QBR. Im not sure why you're so up in arms, if you're trolling then i tip my cap.
Your if statements are just that.....if statements. People can only base opinions off what they see. You can tell me his QBR is going to the moon and i still don't think he should be re-signed. For some reasoning your grasping at QBR like its the bible. IF his QBR increases but he's still fairly one dimensional with the playcalling and offense built around that who the hell cares where it ranks in the NFL.
The new FO is looking at film, and yes crunching some numbers. No one is speaking about QBR in the room. I promise you that.
RE: Someone explain why letting DJ go to free agency
Most people on this thread use their eyes, not QBR. Im not sure why you're so up in arms, if you're trolling then i tip my cap.
Your if statements are just that.....if statements. People can only base opinions off what they see. You can tell me his QBR is going to the moon and i still don't think he should be re-signed. For some reasoning your grasping at QBR like its the bible. IF his QBR increases but he's still fairly one dimensional with the playcalling and offense built around that who the hell cares where it ranks in the NFL.
The new FO is looking at film, and yes crunching some numbers. No one is speaking about QBR in the room. I promise you that.
TThis is not true. First off "I'm up in arms?" I made an initial comment that DJ is not a lame duck. Then a poster made a snide comment to me then I replied in a snide way back, then got insulted. So, please stop with the exaggeration that "I'm up in arms." You're just saying that because you don’t agree with me.
Again I'm not grasping at QBR. I'll say again on this thread the complainers that have bashed Jones have used it. Now when I use it I’m getting criticized??? Where were you when BW or others use QBR to bash Jones?? Silent, right? But now when I’m using it to show a trend I can’t use it but others that bash him when it goes down they can?
And again please read my posts instead of trying to isolate my point into one issue. I referenced SY's opinion and I agree with it, didn't I? And he did NOT mention QBR. And I said I agree with what he is saying, didn't I? Read the post on this thread at 10:28 PM. You can’t og and ignore things that I said just so you want to fit your narrative.
And to use your phrase "I can promise you that he knows more about what is being said than you (and me) do."
And I'm the one agreeing with SY and you are seriously trying to argue with me other than a simple you disagree and this is why etc???? You have to be sarcastic even though I’m agreeing with the pro scout? Are you kidding? Are you kidding? Are you kidding?
This topic has been talked about enough….why don’t you just go through the archives?
But here is the short answer- Schoen and Daboll are going to let the year play out before making any decision. So, may I suggest you do as I do….chill and watch it unfold. You will know something by 1/1/23, I’m sure (that’s less than 3 months from now).
It's refreshing that you make it simple but accurate. Trust those in power to evaluate DJ. Let's see what happens this season and then make their decision to go with DJ or let him go.
he's not a lame duck. Not only does it depend on his play, but his contract demands. Let's say the Giants end up 9-8 or 8-9 or whatever middle of the pack is going to be. If you tell Jones sayonara, who are you replacing him with? Do you mortgage the future like Denver did for Wilson? That wouldn't make sense when they have so many needs in other areas. Do you draft a QB at 15th or 16th? It's possible and go with Taylor for a year, but that's just giving up on a year waiting for a QB that might not be any better than Jones.
So, if Jones has a good year and signs for a reasonable contract it leaves the team with the draft choices to build up the supporting cast.
Mara acknowledged it was unfair to judge in the offseason, and admitted the organization failed him. Was that lip service, or do you think it was a genuine appraisal? I think it's the latter and I believe Shoen and Daboll probably agreed it was also unfair to judge, see how this goes. I don't believe Hurts is better than Jones, and he's getting believers. If Jones keeps winning with no receivers, I can't see why that's purely just Saquon and good coaching, and Jones is incidental.
Yes.
Going to be a real tough decision with all the variables of who is a free agent: Is he better than Daniel? Is he affordable? Is there someone in the draft that where we pick, can't miss? And for that last question, how many that are drafted are "can't miss"?
I am wondering is he's be the starter next year out of necessity?
If he gets an offer above his worth in free agency let him go.
But unless we are picking in the top 5 again (which means he underperformed) what are the odds of gaining a better QB?
Sure they haven’t. Whatever gets you to sleep at night.
If he gets an offer above his worth in free agency let him go.
But unless we are picking in the top 5 again (which means he underperformed) what are the odds of gaining a better QB?
Because his QB rating was about 27th two weeks ago and it is 19 now. Suppose it keeps improving despite the pathetic WR's and bad Offensive Line?
So in the past 3 years you've had posters use stats to show that Jones was no good, and now if his QB rating continues to climb and God Forbid the Giants make the Playoffs or in it until the last week while his QBR is pretty good
You feel they should now all of sudden DISREGARD the stats since week 2 of the season and count the past as more relevant stats????? SO DISREGARD current 15 weeks of data and use past 3 years?????
That would be stupid. Something stupid that Producer or BW might say.
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Have they made up their mind.
Sure they haven’t. Whatever gets you to sleep at night.
It doesn't keep me up at night.
Just using common sense which many on this board lack.
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That about the level of your intelligence.
Quack Quack.
Going to be a real tough decision with all the variables of who is a free agent: Is he better than Daniel? Is he affordable? Is there someone in the draft that where we pick, can't miss? And for that last question, how many that are drafted are "can't miss"?
I am wondering is he's be the starter next year out of necessity?
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Have they made up their mind.
Sure they haven’t. Whatever gets you to sleep at night.
It doesn't keep me up at night.
Just using common sense which many on this board lack.
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Yeah. I don’t think you really know what ‘common sense’ is or, how to use the phrase.
But again, whatever makes that slumber easier.
He has a QBRratign of 19.
SO when he's bad the QBR rating is used against him but when it comes up all of sudden it doesn't count?
Again Quack Quack is about your intelligence.
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And if ti keep improving it's smart to dump him?
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is not a good option.
If he gets an offer above his worth in free agency let him go.
But unless we are picking in the top 5 again (which means he underperformed) what are the odds of gaining a better QB?
Because his QB rating was about 27th two weeks ago and it is 19 now. Suppose it keeps improving despite the pathetic WR's and bad Offensive Line?
So in the past 3 years you've had posters use stats to show that Jones was no good, and now if his QB rating continues to climb and God Forbid the Giants make the Playoffs or in it until the last week while his QBR is pretty good
You feel they should now all of sudden DISREGARD the stats since week 2 of the season and count the past as more relevant stats????? SO DISREGARD current 15 weeks of data and use past 3 years?????
That would be stupid. Something stupid that Producer or BW might say.
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quack, quack.
That about the level of your intelligence.
Quack Quack.
LMFAO. Yeah, ok. Whatever you say buddy. Sleep tight in your Danny Jones onesie!
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Have they made up their mind.
Sure they haven’t. Whatever gets you to sleep at night.
It doesn't keep me up at night.
Just using common sense which many on this board lack.
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Yeah. I don’t think you really know what ‘common sense’ is or, how to use the phrase.
But again, whatever makes that slumber easier.
You "think?"
Do us all a favor; Stop pretending like you can do it.
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quack, quack.
That about the level of your intelligence.
Quack Quack.
LMFAO. Yeah, ok. Whatever you say buddy. Sleep tight in your Danny Jones onesie!
Yeah I've bene called "Jones hater" on other threads and morons like you characterize me as a Jones homer.
As I said - lots of dumb posters here who lack common sense such as you.
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is not a good option.
If he gets an offer above his worth in free agency let him go.
But unless we are picking in the top 5 again (which means he underperformed) what are the odds of gaining a better QB?
Because his QB rating was about 27th two weeks ago and it is 19 now. Suppose it keeps improving despite the pathetic WR's and bad Offensive Line?
So in the past 3 years you've had posters use stats to show that Jones was no good, and now if his QB rating continues to climb and God Forbid the Giants make the Playoffs or in it until the last week while his QBR is pretty good
You feel they should now all of sudden DISREGARD the stats since week 2 of the season and count the past as more relevant stats????? SO DISREGARD current 15 weeks of data and use past 3 years?????
That would be stupid. Something stupid that Producer or BW might say.
Disregard? No. By all means use these stats extrapolated out. There is no way I pay over $20M to a QB with his numbers.
Readign comprehnasion Matt?
Tell me Matt-- I said his QBR was about 27 after the 1st two weeks and it's now 17.
What is it that you don't understand or don't want to understand?
Maybe I used too big of words that maybe you can't understand such as "IF" and "Suppose." ????
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is not a good option.
If he gets an offer above his worth in free agency let him go.
But unless we are picking in the top 5 again (which means he underperformed) what are the odds of gaining a better QB?
Because his QB rating was about 27th two weeks ago and it is 19 now. Suppose it keeps improving despite the pathetic WR's and bad Offensive Line?
So in the past 3 years you've had posters use stats to show that Jones was no good, and now if his QB rating continues to climb and God Forbid the Giants make the Playoffs or in it until the last week while his QBR is pretty good
You feel they should now all of sudden DISREGARD the stats since week 2 of the season and count the past as more relevant stats????? SO DISREGARD current 15 weeks of data and use past 3 years?????
That would be stupid. Something stupid that Producer or BW might say.
Disregard? No. By all means use these stats extrapolated out. There is no way I pay over $20M to a QB with his numbers.
Readign comprehnasion Matt?
Tell me Matt-- I said his QBR was about 27 after the 1st two weeks and it's now 17.
What is it that you don't understand or don't want to understand?
Maybe I used too big of words that maybe you can't understand such as "IF" and "Suppose." ????
Correction 19 now -- not 17.
But here is the short answer- Schoen and Daboll are going to let the year play out before making any decision. So, may I suggest you do as I do….chill and watch it unfold. You will know something by 1/1/23, I’m sure (that’s less than 3 months from now).
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that the more games we win this year the worse will be our selection for the top QBs in the draft. So where does that leave us? Cooper Rush? He's a fees agent. I not sure who else is a free agent, but we're not getting much better than we have now unfortunately.
Going to be a real tough decision with all the variables of who is a free agent: Is he better than Daniel? Is he affordable? Is there someone in the draft that where we pick, can't miss? And for that last question, how many that are drafted are "can't miss"?
I am wondering is he's be the starter next year out of necessity?
A rookie of similar talent is better than what we have now because he would be here on a rookie deal instead of a second deal worth more than $20M per year.
Where do you think we're going in 2023 Matt with that 2nd year QB? So name the rookie QB this year that is better than Jones? Picket?
Cite the player you mean instead of giving a generalization.
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is not a good option.
If he gets an offer above his worth in free agency let him go.
But unless we are picking in the top 5 again (which means he underperformed) what are the odds of gaining a better QB?
Because his QB rating was about 27th two weeks ago and it is 19 now. Suppose it keeps improving despite the pathetic WR's and bad Offensive Line?
So in the past 3 years you've had posters use stats to show that Jones was no good, and now if his QB rating continues to climb and God Forbid the Giants make the Playoffs or in it until the last week while his QBR is pretty good
You feel they should now all of sudden DISREGARD the stats since week 2 of the season and count the past as more relevant stats????? SO DISREGARD current 15 weeks of data and use past 3 years?????
That would be stupid. Something stupid that Producer or BW might say.
Disregard? No. By all means use these stats extrapolated out. There is no way I pay over $20M to a QB with his numbers.
Readign comprehnasion Matt?
Tell me Matt-- I said his QBR was about 27 after the 1st two weeks and it's now 17.
What is it that you don't understand or don't want to understand?
Maybe I used too big of words that maybe you can't understand such as "IF" and "Suppose." ????
Correction 19 now -- not 17.
I've said it many times here. I think he would have to have an otherworldly good season (i.e. top 5 in the league) in order to be re-signed. Is he a top 5? He's not even top 10 and likely not top half.
But here is the short answer- Schoen and Daboll are going to let the year play out before making any decision. So, may I suggest you do as I do….chill and watch it unfold. You will know something by 1/1/23, I’m sure (that’s less than 3 months from now).
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No problem here. What is it you don't understand? Is QBR the only stat? His numbers are somewhat pedestrian except for rushing yards. He is not producing anywhere near a $20M QB either as an individual or the offense as a whole. He is an improved player, but nowhere near enough to warrant even a decent 2nd deal here. Someone else will pay him. That's fine by me.
I've said it many times here. I think he would have to have an otherworldly good season (i.e. top 5 in the league) in order to be re-signed. Is he a top 5? He's not even top 10 and likely not top half.
Again reading comprehnsion?????????
Frist off- for all the complainers they use the QBR stat when it shows Jones is failing. But now all of a sudden it's not a stat to use?
Secondly, again I used big words like "If" and "Suppose" -- why do you not understand these "big words?"
Yes his stats ARE PEDESTRIAN - ath THIS MOMENT. But the big words I used that seems to elude you are IF HIS QBR continues to climb. IE to paraphrase I said "IF IF IF they continue to climb. You understand the word "IF," right?
So IF his QBR stats continue to climb then wouldn't it stand to reason that PROBABLY other stats are also rising?
Do you really think that the number the QBR stat complies wouldn't show other data that is very favorable? Sure maybe you come up with an extreme irregularity but overall over the course of 17 games if he plays and he has a good QBR at the end playing in all 17 games--
MORE THAN LIKLEY other stats will show positive too.
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I agree definitely too with you and others - his availability is a huge question too.
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But to say he needs an "other worldly good season is ridiculous - suppose he is 12th in QBR with this bad of an OL and lousy WR's. Would you consider that other wordly?
Again QBR has other stats embedded within.
Going to be a real tough decision with all the variables of who is a free agent: Is he better than Daniel? Is he affordable? Is there someone in the draft that where we pick, can't miss? And for that last question, how many that are drafted are "can't miss"?
I am wondering is he's be the starter next year out of necessity?
When they didn't give him a 5th year option...they basically made the decision that if DJ isn't a top 10 QB ($30 million a year) by the end of the year, he's done. Pick a rookie, pay him $5-6 million a year and see if he can develop into a NFL starter, which DJ isn't. Chasing him in free agency, and getting in a bidding war, is a silly idea.
31st in passing yards (only to Fields)
29th in passing TDs
He's gotten worse in yards an TDs every year he's been in the league? So what if he doesn't turn the ball over...19 points a game won't beat good teams!
SY hasn't given up on him quacks like you continue to babble nonsense.
Let's repat what SY said:
https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2022/09/28/game-review-dallas-cowboys-23-new-york-giants-16/
"It can be very hard to accurately evaluate a performance like this one. Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
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I know some of you want to pretend like SY didn't say it.
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No problem here. What is it you don't understand? Is QBR the only stat? His numbers are somewhat pedestrian except for rushing yards. He is not producing anywhere near a $20M QB either as an individual or the offense as a whole. He is an improved player, but nowhere near enough to warrant even a decent 2nd deal here. Someone else will pay him. That's fine by me.
I've said it many times here. I think he would have to have an otherworldly good season (i.e. top 5 in the league) in order to be re-signed. Is he a top 5? He's not even top 10 and likely not top half.
Again reading comprehnsion?????????
Frist off- for all the complainers they use the QBR stat when it shows Jones is failing. But now all of a sudden it's not a stat to use?
Secondly, again I used big words like "If" and "Suppose" -- why do you not understand these "big words?"
Yes his stats ARE PEDESTRIAN - ath THIS MOMENT. But the big words I used that seems to elude you are IF HIS QBR continues to climb. IE to paraphrase I said "IF IF IF they continue to climb. You understand the word "IF," right?
So IF his QBR stats continue to climb then wouldn't it stand to reason that PROBABLY other stats are also rising?
Do you really think that the number the QBR stat complies wouldn't show other data that is very favorable? Sure maybe you come up with an extreme irregularity but overall over the course of 17 games if he plays and he has a good QBR at the end playing in all 17 games--
MORE THAN LIKLEY other stats will show positive too.
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I agree definitely too with you and others - his availability is a huge question too.
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But to say he needs an "other worldly good season is ridiculous - suppose he is 12th in QBR with this bad of an OL and lousy WR's. Would you consider that other wordly?
Again QBR has other stats embedded within.
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First off, I never used QBR to show anything about a QB, Jones or otherwise. Second, he has had moderate improvement, so that makes your "if" a huge fairy tale hypothetical. So, back to mine...he only gets a second contract in NY IF he is a top 5 QB. That's is not likely at all.
But then my initial posts weren't about you/addressed to you. Other posters use them to blast Jones. Again reading comprehension. You NEED it. How many times have I said on this thread on THIS THREAD on THIS THREAD that there were posters that used QBR????????? SO again I said how odd it is that they use it and now I'm being told I can't use it.
And you know I use it.
So if you don’t want to use it- that's your prerogative but just because you didn’t; use it doesn't mean I can't.
You don’t want to use it fine. I use it partially. But when you say "moderate improvement" - how are you defining "moderate?"
A jump from 27 to 19 in two weeks is "moderate?"
And I said "IF IF IF he continues to CLIMB."
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IF IF IF IF he continues to CLIMB in his QBR then there will be OTHER stats. Just because you don’t' want to look at them it does not mean that they don’t exist.
And to further among other factors is that I'm listening to SY. SO I shouldn't be blasted in the manner that other poster did for this opinion.
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No problem here. What is it you don't understand? Is QBR the only stat? His numbers are somewhat pedestrian except for rushing yards. He is not producing anywhere near a $20M QB either as an individual or the offense as a whole. He is an improved player, but nowhere near enough to warrant even a decent 2nd deal here. Someone else will pay him. That's fine by me.
I've said it many times here. I think he would have to have an otherworldly good season (i.e. top 5 in the league) in order to be re-signed. Is he a top 5? He's not even top 10 and likely not top half.
Again reading comprehnsion?????????
Frist off- for all the complainers they use the QBR stat when it shows Jones is failing. But now all of a sudden it's not a stat to use?
Secondly, again I used big words like "If" and "Suppose" -- why do you not understand these "big words?"
Yes his stats ARE PEDESTRIAN - ath THIS MOMENT. But the big words I used that seems to elude you are IF HIS QBR continues to climb. IE to paraphrase I said "IF IF IF they continue to climb. You understand the word "IF," right?
So IF his QBR stats continue to climb then wouldn't it stand to reason that PROBABLY other stats are also rising?
Do you really think that the number the QBR stat complies wouldn't show other data that is very favorable? Sure maybe you come up with an extreme irregularity but overall over the course of 17 games if he plays and he has a good QBR at the end playing in all 17 games--
MORE THAN LIKLEY other stats will show positive too.
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I agree definitely too with you and others - his availability is a huge question too.
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But to say he needs an "other worldly good season is ridiculous - suppose he is 12th in QBR with this bad of an OL and lousy WR's. Would you consider that other wordly?
Again QBR has other stats embedded within.
First off, I never used QBR to show anything about a QB, Jones or otherwise. Second, he has had moderate improvement, so that makes your "if" a huge fairy tale hypothetical. So, back to mine...he only gets a second contract in NY IF he is a top 5 QB. That's is not likely at all.
But then my initial posts weren't about you/addressed to you. Other posters use them to blast Jones. Again reading comprehension. You NEED it. How many times have I said on this thread on THIS THREAD on THIS THREAD that there were posters that used QBR????????? SO again I said how odd it is that they use it and now I'm being told I can't use it.
And you know I use it.
So if you don’t want to use it- that's your prerogative but just because you didn’t; use it doesn't mean I can't.
You don’t want to use it fine. I use it partially. But when you say "moderate improvement" - how are you defining "moderate?"
A jump from 27 to 19 in two weeks is "moderate?"
And I said "IF IF IF he continues to CLIMB."
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IF IF IF IF he continues to CLIMB in his QBR then there will be OTHER stats. Just because you don’t' want to look at them it does not mean that they don’t exist.
And to further among other factors is that I'm listening to SY. SO I shouldn't be blasted in the manner that other poster did for this opinion.
Sure they haven’t. Whatever gets you to sleep at night.
...others? - ( New Window )
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the most positive thing you can find is "hard to evaluate". Cool. Let's commit to that.
There are 13 games left in the season, who said anything about commitment? Some fans can live with the uncertainty while... ...others? - ( New Window )
Unbelievable isn't it??
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No problem here. What is it you don't understand? Is QBR the only stat? His numbers are somewhat pedestrian except for rushing yards. He is not producing anywhere near a $20M QB either as an individual or the offense as a whole. He is an improved player, but nowhere near enough to warrant even a decent 2nd deal here. Someone else will pay him. That's fine by me.
I've said it many times here. I think he would have to have an otherworldly good season (i.e. top 5 in the league) in order to be re-signed. Is he a top 5? He's not even top 10 and likely not top half.
Again reading comprehnsion?????????
Frist off- for all the complainers they use the QBR stat when it shows Jones is failing. But now all of a sudden it's not a stat to use?
Secondly, again I used big words like "If" and "Suppose" -- why do you not understand these "big words?"
Yes his stats ARE PEDESTRIAN - ath THIS MOMENT. But the big words I used that seems to elude you are IF HIS QBR continues to climb. IE to paraphrase I said "IF IF IF they continue to climb. You understand the word "IF," right?
So IF his QBR stats continue to climb then wouldn't it stand to reason that PROBABLY other stats are also rising?
Do you really think that the number the QBR stat complies wouldn't show other data that is very favorable? Sure maybe you come up with an extreme irregularity but overall over the course of 17 games if he plays and he has a good QBR at the end playing in all 17 games--
MORE THAN LIKLEY other stats will show positive too.
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I agree definitely too with you and others - his availability is a huge question too.
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But to say he needs an "other worldly good season is ridiculous - suppose he is 12th in QBR with this bad of an OL and lousy WR's. Would you consider that other wordly?
Again QBR has other stats embedded within.
Most people on this thread use their eyes, not QBR. Im not sure why you're so up in arms, if you're trolling then i tip my cap.
Your if statements are just that.....if statements. People can only base opinions off what they see. You can tell me his QBR is going to the moon and i still don't think he should be re-signed. For some reasoning your grasping at QBR like its the bible. IF his QBR increases but he's still fairly one dimensional with the playcalling and offense built around that who the hell cares where it ranks in the NFL.
The new FO is looking at film, and yes crunching some numbers. No one is speaking about QBR in the room. I promise you that.
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Most people on this thread use their eyes, not QBR. Im not sure why you're so up in arms, if you're trolling then i tip my cap.
Your if statements are just that.....if statements. People can only base opinions off what they see. You can tell me his QBR is going to the moon and i still don't think he should be re-signed. For some reasoning your grasping at QBR like its the bible. IF his QBR increases but he's still fairly one dimensional with the playcalling and offense built around that who the hell cares where it ranks in the NFL.
The new FO is looking at film, and yes crunching some numbers. No one is speaking about QBR in the room. I promise you that.
TThis is not true. First off "I'm up in arms?" I made an initial comment that DJ is not a lame duck. Then a poster made a snide comment to me then I replied in a snide way back, then got insulted. So, please stop with the exaggeration that "I'm up in arms." You're just saying that because you don’t agree with me.
Again I'm not grasping at QBR. I'll say again on this thread the complainers that have bashed Jones have used it. Now when I use it I’m getting criticized??? Where were you when BW or others use QBR to bash Jones?? Silent, right? But now when I’m using it to show a trend I can’t use it but others that bash him when it goes down they can?
And again please read my posts instead of trying to isolate my point into one issue. I referenced SY's opinion and I agree with it, didn't I? And he did NOT mention QBR. And I said I agree with what he is saying, didn't I? Read the post on this thread at 10:28 PM. You can’t og and ignore things that I said just so you want to fit your narrative.
And to use your phrase "I can promise you that he knows more about what is being said than you (and me) do."
And I'm the one agreeing with SY and you are seriously trying to argue with me other than a simple you disagree and this is why etc???? You have to be sarcastic even though I’m agreeing with the pro scout? Are you kidding? Are you kidding? Are you kidding?
You just ignore the words "positive pile where he will reside in January?
You can't speculate what that means? Wan tot bury your head in the sand????????????????
C'mon. You guys are funny. hahahahha Who are you kidding?? LMAO.
But here is the short answer- Schoen and Daboll are going to let the year play out before making any decision. So, may I suggest you do as I do….chill and watch it unfold. You will know something by 1/1/23, I’m sure (that’s less than 3 months from now).
It's refreshing that you make it simple but accurate. Trust those in power to evaluate DJ. Let's see what happens this season and then make their decision to go with DJ or let him go.
Who is it ?
So, if Jones has a good year and signs for a reasonable contract it leaves the team with the draft choices to build up the supporting cast.
Are you referring to anyone in particular ????
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Question marks in posts. Type like a normal human being
Are you referring to anyone in particular ????
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To think otherwise is nonsensical, and assumes that the GM and coach are incompetent.