An earlier thread asked the question as to whether DJ should be brought back Jones next year.
Do you think management has already made that decision regardless of where we draft, what the salary demands would be or who's available via free agency?
You are dense man. If we’re going just by stats then Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league right? If all you care about are the rushing stats through four games this conversation is pointless
RE: RE: RE: RE: Jones may not take an offer from the Giants?
You make funny here, but many on this site were clamoring for Pickett to be picked to replace Jones. Let’s see- one game in, 3 interceptions. Nice start. But I’m not saying he can’t turn it around and become a good NFL QB.
The truth is, maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t really know (guys like Pickett).
I can see your post is funny too…
No, wrong post….my funny post was the AJ Klein Appreciation thread…..
Has the longest TD run for a QB. I guess he’s the best rushing QB of all time by your logic.
Thanks…I forgot about that 93 yard run. Well, even if Danny didn’t trip, it would have only been 88. But you mentioned Hurts is faster….Danny is pretty fast once he gets a head of steam up….I mean no one was even near him on that 80 yard run.
You are dense man. If we’re going just by stats then Jones is one of the worst QBs in the league right? If all you care about are the rushing stats through four games this conversation is pointless
I guess we are at a point where we will have to agree to disagree.
But for the record, just so we can see the numbers…
Hurts
2022….53 for 205 yards; 3.9 YPC; 4 Tds
2021…139 for 784 yards; 5.6 YPC; 10 TDs
2020….63 for 354 yards; 5.6 YPC; 3 TDs
Jones
2022….31 for 193 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
2020…65 for 423 yards; 6.5 YPC; 1 TD (should have been 2, lol)
2019…45 for 279 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
The only conclusions I can draw from these 3 years is this:
1. Hurts runs much more. (Not quite twice as much more; 44% more)
2. Hurts scores more TDs (not surprising)
3. Jones average per carry are better each year
I can’t say Hurts is the better runner because of these numbers….but I can say he runs much more than Jones and scores more rushing TDs.
RE: RE: RE: Why does it matter if nobody complimented Hurts before this year?
This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB we like but every other QBs in the leagues warts get magnified.
Do you honestly think if you swapped Jones with Hurts, the Eagles would put up the same offense? No chance, and that’s not even going into passing ability - Hurts is a much better runner than Jones.
Misrepresent issues much? Because you are doing it here. Please provide the link where anyone has suggested you can't point out flaws of Jones? No one said it but posters like you continually misrepresent /over-exaggerate to make your point about Jones.
Yes Jones is flawed but many of us rational posters realize that he could be better if for example if he had Phily's WRs and Tight End and had the Philly OLine.
It doesn't mean we think he will be as good as Hurts or even be a legit starter etc but the point is- you just want to bury your head in the sand and exclude other factors as it pertains to Jones and just proclaim in a manner of speak "he sucks."
And then you go and make exaggerated posts like you've just done here in an attempt to justify your opinion.
You literally can not be serious with this post. First off there’s a lot of people who get very abusive when you even have the slightest criticism of Jones. Nobody exaggerates Jones’ flaws, they’re pretty clear and it’s clear he’s not a good QB. He still wouldn’t be a good QB with AJ Brown and Smith. Tannehill didn’t turn into Aaron Rodgers or even Kirk Cousins when he had Brown, Henry and the Titans oline.
You literally can not be serious with this post.
1-- Posters attack oyu beucase hwo oyu rpesent your opinions. On this verty thread you've made psots If you just criticized Jones and left it at that but overall you set yourself up for antagonistic posts (I do too).
1a -- "Since people on this site just make up stuff to attack over"
1b--- "Not sure why that concept doesn’t seem to exist on this site."
1c-- "This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB . . ."
2--- Nobody exaggerates Jones flaws? NOBODY? I love it.
3a--- It's clear that SY thinks he could be "a good enough QB." I've provided the link to you before and apparently I must do it again because you must've forgotten (sarcasm). .
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
3b--- But I just want to make it clear that you are saying exactly the opposite of what SY is saying about Jones if the past quote you provided me came from him which I have no reason to not believe it didn't. So thanks - so - because Philly's Offense and Defense are all top notch. So here is the link you provided and from what Sy said:
"The ceiling being a guy who absolutely needs the team around him to be top notch."
In summary - whose opinion do we think generally is it better to go with Sys's a Pr Scout? Or you = a a couch fan who loves to exaggerate?
I guess we are at a point where we will have to agree to disagree.
But for the record, just so we can see the numbers…
Hurts
2022….53 for 205 yards; 3.9 YPC; 4 Tds
2021…139 for 784 yards; 5.6 YPC; 10 TDs
2020….63 for 354 yards; 5.6 YPC; 3 TDs
Jones
2022….31 for 193 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
2020…65 for 423 yards; 6.5 YPC; 1 TD (should have been 2, lol)
2019…45 for 279 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
The only conclusions I can draw from these 3 years is this:
1. Hurts runs much more. (Not quite twice as much more; 44% more)
2. Hurts scores more TDs (not surprising)
3. Jones average per carry are better each year
I can’t say Hurts is the better runner because of these numbers….but I can say he runs much more than Jones and scores more rushing TDs.
You're barking up the wrong tree if you want to post logic with that poster.
Got to run.
It’s year 4 of this nonsense of posters comparing Jones
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
RE: Hurts is the 2nd best running QB in the league to Lamar
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
RE: RE: Hurts is the 2nd best running QB in the league to Lamar
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
they're close. Josh Allen is amazing. Last season yardage was similar. Hurts had 10 TDs to Allen's 6 TDs
RE: RE: RE: Hurts is the 2nd best running QB in the league to Lamar
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
If Murray wanted to run (and the team wanted him to)
I think he's as good as Hurts. I like Murray for some bigger plays, Hurts better to get tough yards.
But he just doesn't want to play that way and maybe his body couldn't handle it.
In terms of what they actually do, Hurts is the 2nd best behind Lamar. Allen and Kyler both have the ability to be up there, but they don't have the usage.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Why does it matter if nobody complimented Hurts before this year?
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
The prior week vs Carolina he made the comment "He can do it."
And then he's making weekly comments on Giants board specifically going over the Giants that you are too stupid to understand that when he says the below after the Dallas game - and referring to January he is talking about the Giants. How can you not understand he is talking about the Giants and Jones after the season as he speaks about “the pile?” I know you are ignorant but seriously I can't believe you are this stupid.
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
The prior week vs Carolina he made the comment "He can do it."
And then he's making weekly comments on Giants board specifically going over the Giants that you are too stupid to understand that when he says the below after the Dallas game - and referring to January he is talking about the Giants. How can you not understand he is talking about the Giants and Jones after the season as he speaks about “the pile?” I know you are ignorant but seriously I can't believe you are this stupid.
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
Wow….I will be honest here….I really didn’t know how many yards Murray had last year, so I’m surprised he only had 88 carries for 423, 5 TDs and 4.8 average. Murray was injured last year, missed two games and I think was limited for other games. That may have caused the low carries (88).
The year before was his big year:
2020: 133 for 819 yards, 11 TDs and a 6.2 average……all much better than any year of Hurts.
As for Josh Allen
2021: 122 for 763 yards, 6 TDs, with a 6.3 YPC. Hurts has more TDs while Josh has a better YPC. Yards pretty similar.
So, I guess your statement saying Hurts is the 2nd best running qb does have some validity. You were not “crazy” for saying that as i accused you of being. I apologize for mocking you…that was obviously inappropriate and not supported. Me bad.
this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
Wow….I will be honest here….I really didn’t know how many yards Murray had last year, so I’m surprised he only had 88 carries for 423, 5 TDs and 4.8 average. Murray was injured last year, missed two games and I think was limited for other games. That may have caused the low carries (88).
The year before was his big year:
2020: 133 for 819 yards, 11 TDs and a 6.2 average……all much better than any year of Hurts.
As for Josh Allen
2021: 122 for 763 yards, 6 TDs, with a 6.3 YPC. Hurts has more TDs while Josh has a better YPC. Yards pretty similar.
So, I guess your statement saying Hurts is the 2nd best running qb does have some validity. You were not “crazy” for saying that as i accused you of being. I apologize for mocking you…that was obviously inappropriate and not supported. Me bad.
You're a class act. Thanks for rethinking it. Yes the Murray numbers you cite from 2020 put him in the conversation but he seems to run less, perhaps his size or potential for injury? Lamar, Hurts and Allen seem to evade injury, at least for now.
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Oh no…we’re screwed
You make funny here, but many on this site were clamoring for Pickett to be picked to replace Jones. Let’s see- one game in, 3 interceptions. Nice start. But I’m not saying he can’t turn it around and become a good NFL QB.
The truth is, maybe the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t really know (guys like Pickett).
I can see your post is funny too…
No, wrong post….my funny post was the AJ Klein Appreciation thread…..
I just looked at that thread.
Trust me, yours above is funnier…
Thanks…I forgot about that 93 yard run. Well, even if Danny didn’t trip, it would have only been 88. But you mentioned Hurts is faster….Danny is pretty fast once he gets a head of steam up….I mean no one was even near him on that 80 yard run.
He will plan accordingly and will have multiple avenues he can take. Jones needs to play really well to be in the discussion.
I guess we are at a point where we will have to agree to disagree.
But for the record, just so we can see the numbers…
Hurts
2022….53 for 205 yards; 3.9 YPC; 4 Tds
2021…139 for 784 yards; 5.6 YPC; 10 TDs
2020….63 for 354 yards; 5.6 YPC; 3 TDs
Jones
2022….31 for 193 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
2020…65 for 423 yards; 6.5 YPC; 1 TD (should have been 2, lol)
2019…45 for 279 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
The only conclusions I can draw from these 3 years is this:
1. Hurts runs much more. (Not quite twice as much more; 44% more)
2. Hurts scores more TDs (not surprising)
3. Jones average per carry are better each year
I can’t say Hurts is the better runner because of these numbers….but I can say he runs much more than Jones and scores more rushing TDs.
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This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB we like but every other QBs in the leagues warts get magnified.
Do you honestly think if you swapped Jones with Hurts, the Eagles would put up the same offense? No chance, and that’s not even going into passing ability - Hurts is a much better runner than Jones.
Misrepresent issues much? Because you are doing it here. Please provide the link where anyone has suggested you can't point out flaws of Jones? No one said it but posters like you continually misrepresent /over-exaggerate to make your point about Jones.
Yes Jones is flawed but many of us rational posters realize that he could be better if for example if he had Phily's WRs and Tight End and had the Philly OLine.
It doesn't mean we think he will be as good as Hurts or even be a legit starter etc but the point is- you just want to bury your head in the sand and exclude other factors as it pertains to Jones and just proclaim in a manner of speak "he sucks."
And then you go and make exaggerated posts like you've just done here in an attempt to justify your opinion.
You literally can not be serious with this post. First off there’s a lot of people who get very abusive when you even have the slightest criticism of Jones. Nobody exaggerates Jones’ flaws, they’re pretty clear and it’s clear he’s not a good QB. He still wouldn’t be a good QB with AJ Brown and Smith. Tannehill didn’t turn into Aaron Rodgers or even Kirk Cousins when he had Brown, Henry and the Titans oline.
You literally can not be serious with this post.
1-- Posters attack oyu beucase hwo oyu rpesent your opinions. On this verty thread you've made psots If you just criticized Jones and left it at that but overall you set yourself up for antagonistic posts (I do too).
1a -- "Since people on this site just make up stuff to attack over"
1b--- "Not sure why that concept doesn’t seem to exist on this site."
1c-- "This site has this weird complex where we’re not allowed to point out the flaws of the QB . . ."
2--- Nobody exaggerates Jones flaws? NOBODY? I love it.
3a--- It's clear that SY thinks he could be "a good enough QB." I've provided the link to you before and apparently I must do it again because you must've forgotten (sarcasm). .
https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2022/09/28/game-review-dallas-cowboys-23-new-york-giants-16/
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
3b--- But I just want to make it clear that you are saying exactly the opposite of what SY is saying about Jones if the past quote you provided me came from him which I have no reason to not believe it didn't. So thanks - so - because Philly's Offense and Defense are all top notch. So here is the link you provided and from what Sy said:
"The ceiling being a guy who absolutely needs the team around him to be top notch."
In summary - whose opinion do we think generally is it better to go with Sys's a Pr Scout? Or you = a a couch fan who loves to exaggerate?
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I guess we are at a point where we will have to agree to disagree.
But for the record, just so we can see the numbers…
Hurts
2022….53 for 205 yards; 3.9 YPC; 4 Tds
2021…139 for 784 yards; 5.6 YPC; 10 TDs
2020….63 for 354 yards; 5.6 YPC; 3 TDs
Jones
2022….31 for 193 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
2020…65 for 423 yards; 6.5 YPC; 1 TD (should have been 2, lol)
2019…45 for 279 yards; 6.2 YPC; 2 TDs
The only conclusions I can draw from these 3 years is this:
1. Hurts runs much more. (Not quite twice as much more; 44% more)
2. Hurts scores more TDs (not surprising)
3. Jones average per carry are better each year
I can’t say Hurts is the better runner because of these numbers….but I can say he runs much more than Jones and scores more rushing TDs.
You're barking up the wrong tree if you want to post logic with that poster.
Got to run.
He just has to play at a higher level all by himself at this point otherwise it’s over…
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
Josh Allen?
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this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
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this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
they're close. Josh Allen is amazing. Last season yardage was similar. Hurts had 10 TDs to Allen's 6 TDs
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this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
But he just doesn't want to play that way and maybe his body couldn't handle it.
In terms of what they actually do, Hurts is the 2nd best behind Lamar. Allen and Kyler both have the ability to be up there, but they don't have the usage.
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https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2022/09/28/game-review-dallas-cowboys-23-new-york-giants-16/
"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
The prior week vs Carolina he made the comment "He can do it."
And then he's making weekly comments on Giants board specifically going over the Giants that you are too stupid to understand that when he says the below after the Dallas game - and referring to January he is talking about the Giants. How can you not understand he is talking about the Giants and Jones after the season as he speaks about “the pile?” I know you are ignorant but seriously I can't believe you are this stupid.
https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2022/09/28/game-review-dallas-cowboys-23-new-york-giants-16/
“I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January.”
You can’t be this stupid. Just being a troll?
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Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
He bullshits.
And be careful he recently told me he's a "Cosell Disciple."
hahahahaha LMAO. I kid you not. Hahahahahaha
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"Listen to any quarterback talk about Jones and they will tell you it is almost impossible to play a normal version of the position in that kind of environment. If anything, I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January."
I recommend proof reading and not formatting your posts so the thread turns into war and peace.
Where does that say Sy said he’s “good enough”? That’s taking quite some artistic liberty. The closest Sy has said to he’s “good enough” is that he reminds him of Tannehill. That’s not a compliment
The prior week vs Carolina he made the comment "He can do it."
And then he's making weekly comments on Giants board specifically going over the Giants that you are too stupid to understand that when he says the below after the Dallas game - and referring to January he is talking about the Giants. How can you not understand he is talking about the Giants and Jones after the season as he speaks about “the pile?” I know you are ignorant but seriously I can't believe you are this stupid.
https://www.bigblueinteractive.com/2022/09/28/game-review-dallas-cowboys-23-new-york-giants-16/
“I actually put this game in the “positive pile” when thinking about where his status will reside in January.”
You can’t be this stupid. Just being a troll?
One game added to a very small positive pile. Woohoo!
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Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
He bullshits.
And be careful he recently told me he's a "Cosell Disciple."
hahahahaha LMAO. I kid you not. Hahahahahaha
Jeez you're a clown. Stay away from my posts unless you are willing to read them.
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this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
Wow….I will be honest here….I really didn’t know how many yards Murray had last year, so I’m surprised he only had 88 carries for 423, 5 TDs and 4.8 average. Murray was injured last year, missed two games and I think was limited for other games. That may have caused the low carries (88).
The year before was his big year:
2020: 133 for 819 yards, 11 TDs and a 6.2 average……all much better than any year of Hurts.
As for Josh Allen
2021: 122 for 763 yards, 6 TDs, with a 6.3 YPC. Hurts has more TDs while Josh has a better YPC. Yards pretty similar.
So, I guess your statement saying Hurts is the 2nd best running qb does have some validity. You were not “crazy” for saying that as i accused you of being. I apologize for mocking you…that was obviously inappropriate and not supported. Me bad.
He will plan accordingly and will have multiple avenues he can take. Jones needs to play really well to be in the discussion.
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this is not even a question outside of BBI. Jones is a pretty good running QB, though it does seem every time we turn up the dial on his running - he gets hurt.
Josh Allen?
Kyler Murray?
Do you know what you are talking about Producer?
I know it’s Friday…have you started early?
Yes Hurts is a better running QB than Murray. 2021 stats:
Hurts - 784 yards 10TDs
Murray - 423 yards 5 TDs
Who sounds better than you? And thanks for slagging me even though you are completely wrong.
Wow….I will be honest here….I really didn’t know how many yards Murray had last year, so I’m surprised he only had 88 carries for 423, 5 TDs and 4.8 average. Murray was injured last year, missed two games and I think was limited for other games. That may have caused the low carries (88).
The year before was his big year:
2020: 133 for 819 yards, 11 TDs and a 6.2 average……all much better than any year of Hurts.
As for Josh Allen
2021: 122 for 763 yards, 6 TDs, with a 6.3 YPC. Hurts has more TDs while Josh has a better YPC. Yards pretty similar.
So, I guess your statement saying Hurts is the 2nd best running qb does have some validity. You were not “crazy” for saying that as i accused you of being. I apologize for mocking you…that was obviously inappropriate and not supported. Me bad.
You're a class act. Thanks for rethinking it. Yes the Murray numbers you cite from 2020 put him in the conversation but he seems to run less, perhaps his size or potential for injury? Lamar, Hurts and Allen seem to evade injury, at least for now.