You do realize Wilson has a decade of production where he has lifted the team around him, right?
So, he has some stripes...
Right now, he is not playing well.
The past means nothing when comparing what someone is doing on the field right now. Wilson looks awful, makes horrible decisions and was directly responsible for tonight's loss.
I think that's fair. But I'm not ready to write this guy off yet after five games. IMV, he's got enough equity built up to work his way through this.
And he's not really alone. A lot of QBs are playing below par right now. See Ryan, Brady, Satfford, Carr, Burrow, Murray. Even Rodgers.
How can you possibly not kick the FG to tie it at 12 12?
You do realize Wilson has a decade of production where he has lifted the team around him, right?
So, he has some stripes...
Right now, he is not playing well.
The past means nothing when comparing what someone is doing on the field right now. Wilson looks awful, makes horrible decisions and was directly responsible for tonight's loss.
I think that's fair. But I'm not ready to write this guy off yet after five games. IMV, he's got enough equity built up to work his way through this.
And he's not really alone. A lot of QBs are playing below par right now. See Ryan, Brady, Satfford, Carr, Burrow, Murray. Even Rodgers.
There were plenty of threads clamoring for us to dump DJ and find a way to sign Wilson. I'm not accusing you, but a lot of people thought Wilson would do well on this offense. I think it's clear at this point he would have been an awful acquisition.
That has NOTHING to do with the present; you (and others) advocated for a trade for a 33 year old QB who showed signs of being cooked last year, to a team that was infinitely less talented than DEN.
He’s playing with a team that has talent galore on offense, and Wilson has absolutely SUCKED thru 5 games.
Truth.
Well, I don't want to go over old real estate again, but Wilson was injured last year and was playing well before he got hurt and towards the end of the year when the thumb started to heal. Of course, that would require you having an understanding of those details.
I keep hearing about all of this talent Denver has on offense. Outside of Sutton, who has actually produced good results, where is all this talent you are talking about?
Nobody gonna mention the wide open receiver on 4th down that
There was 2:38 left and Denver had 2 timeouts. More likely that the Denver D stops the Colts than it is that the Colts score.
Well a couple things could have factored in:
- they didn't want a tie
- they didn't think they could stop the colts
- they only needed a yard for a first down
Stopping the Colts and getting the ball back in under 3 min is tall order. The Colts last two drives resulted in FGs and one of only took 2 min to go 70 yards. Maybe the Broncos stop them, but that d did not play well the final 2 possessions. Might have been gassed
RE: Nobody gonna mention the wide open receiver on 4th down that
Agreed. Hackett and his offense look like they are playing blindfolded.
LOL - of COURSE you offer up an excuse for Wilson...
Have you watched this game? Wilson completed a long pass in the third quarter where two Denver receivers were fighting over a 50 yard pass down the middle of the field. Does that look like an offense remotely in sync?
C’mon man. It’s not just tonight. He hasn’t played well at all. He has plenty of offensive weapons. People complained about, “Let Russ cook!” in Seattle. Well, he got his wish. He’s where he wanted to be. He isn’t cooking so well and, looks like a fork is sprouting from his back.
Meanwhile Geno is cooking pretty well in Seattle. Between what they got in the trade return and how they’re playing this year, Pete Carroll looks like a combo of John Dillinger and Harry Houdini. The guy has really done a masterful job all around.
Wilson's demise. On a couple/few plays last night he threw a pass that either he or his receiver misread the coverage. He and the WRs are clearly not on the same page. I do think his arm looks weaker than I remember, but that can be indecision too.
On the other hand, Ryan looked like toast. Dying quails and inaccurate - a deadly combination.
in the week. You shouldn't mortgage the future for a declining 33-year old QB when the people around him aren't that good.
So, let's say Wilson comes out of it and starts playing well. They don't have a first or second round draft choice next year to build up the rest of the team.
It was not a good trade. They should hire a better GM like Gettleman, I hear he's available. They could lure him out of retirement.
but Rodgers had a tough time adjusting to the offense with Hackett in Green Bay early on. It is very demanding on the QB with all its intricacies. Hackett was in Green Bay as OC.
Should be done away with. The games in large part are terrible. Guys are getting seriously hurt after already not having adequate time to recover from playing Sunday. Thursday night was always a night where there would be a decent college football game on or two. Thanksgiving games are a tradition, if they wanted to maybe sprinkle in a game the Thursday following Thanksgiving that would probably be appealing. But all in all TNF stinks.
You don’t know what you got until it’s gone? What would Jones do with Denver Receivers or Pittman? Everyone here shits on him. Imagine if we traded for Wilson? Gave up the farm and are in salary cap hell for years. Some people would commit Suicide.
you spend an awful lot of energy defending other team's QBs... what's up with that?
Shouldn't Wilson be a force multiplier?
In all seriousness, I have no idea if the guy is injured and he's had a hell of a career to date... but bottom line is DEN (and Colts) just outright stink right now and I am glad we didn't mortgage the farm to get Wilson.
you spend an awful lot of energy defending other team's QBs... what's up with that?
Shouldn't Wilson be a force multiplier?
In all seriousness, I have no idea if the guy is injured and he's had a hell of a career to date... but bottom line is DEN (and Colts) just outright stink right now and I am glad we didn't mortgage the farm to get Wilson.
Wilson is indeed being paid to play at a high level. And right now, he's failing.
But he's been a great QB in this league for a long time. And I'm not ready to give his eulogy until I see more evidence than five games into a season with a new team and first time HC.
In my view, he deserves the benefit of the doubt to figure this thing out. He's earned that.
Furthermore, I don't buy that he was deteriorating last year. He had a thumb injury. Before the injury, he was play very well. When the thumb healed the final four games of the season, Wilson started to find his game again.
The end of the year, they will probably let go of Hackett and then Wilson and his outrageous contract is the beneficiary. What can they do? He's looked horrible. They're locked in to that for at least four years. Their loss.
Lot of people discredited Pete Carroll with the success of them and how he's now over the hill. Seahawks are lacking everywhere but the wide receiver room and they're allowing career average Geno Smith look good.
Wilson has not won big games since the defense stopped being elite and he lost Marshawn. In fact, he has zero playoff wins in eight years when his defense gives up at least ONE touchdown. Lots of regular season stats and wins, however has failed to win the important ones that also matter in January.
I am amused that according to the geniuses on this board that Wilson a HOF QB is finished after 5 games witb a new team, but Jones who has been bad for 3+ years, still has hope. The inconsistency, homerism and dishonesty is truly stunning.
You can bet on Jones. I'll bet on Wilson.
And we think $72 million for Golladay was a bad contract
I am amused that according to the geniuses on this board that Wilson a HOF QB is finished after 5 games witb a new team, but Jones who has been bad for 3+ years, still has hope. The inconsistency, homerism and dishonesty is truly stunning.
I am amused that according to the geniuses on this board that Wilson a HOF QB is finished after 5 games witb a new team, but Jones who has been bad for 3+ years, still has hope. The inconsistency, homerism and dishonesty is truly stunning.
You can bet on Jones. I'll bet on Wilson.
Wilson didn't look good last season.
We've been through these numbers. When his throwing hand wasn't injured he wasn't good, he was fantastic.
I am amused that according to the geniuses on this board that Wilson a HOF QB is finished after 5 games witb a new team, but Jones who has been bad for 3+ years, still has hope. The inconsistency, homerism and dishonesty is truly stunning.
You can bet on Jones. I'll bet on Wilson.
At $245M....Wilson had better be the better QB by a large margin. Seattle is a better team right now with Geno Smith.
Lot of people discredited Pete Carroll with the success of them and how he's now over the hill. Seahawks are lacking everywhere but the wide receiver room and they're allowing career average Geno Smith look good.
Wilson has not won big games since the defense stopped being elite and he lost Marshawn. In fact, he has zero playoff wins in eight years when his defense gives up at least ONE touchdown. Lots of regular season stats and wins, however has failed to win the important ones that also matter in January.
The unsung pieces to this unexpected start for Seattle are the two rookie tackles - Abraham Lucas (RT) and Charles Cross (LT). It looks like Seattle may have solved a critical need in one draft. If so, what a job by Scheider/Carroll.
Wilson was in Seattle for ten years and made the playoffs 8X. They got to two SBs, won one, and won at least one game in the playoffs for six of those eight years. And in the latter half of his career, he had to manage around some atrocious offensive lines. So, I'm not sure what more you want. The guy was a model of consistency.
It feels very strange having to even bring up these points to the board, who act like Wilson was just a passenger in Seattle and not the driver of that bus.
The end of the year, they will probably let go of Hackett and then Wilson and his outrageous contract is the beneficiary. What can they do? He's looked horrible. They're locked in to that for at least four years. Their loss.
Lot of people discredited Pete Carroll with the success of them and how he's now over the hill. Seahawks are lacking everywhere but the wide receiver room and they're allowing career average Geno Smith look good.
Wilson has not won big games since the defense stopped being elite and he lost Marshawn. In fact, he has zero playoff wins in eight years when his defense gives up at least ONE touchdown. Lots of regular season stats and wins, however has failed to win the important ones that also matter in January.
That is a pathetically transparent torturing of data in an odd attempt to try to discredit a very good player
may need to be chalked up to no reps and few starter snaps in the three preseason games. My suspicions are that as these vet qb's and o-lines settle in with the receivers and rb's, that things will look different in a few weeks.
Also keep in mind that DC's facing teams with rookie qb's (or those who haven't played much) or new OC's have no film to study. (and vice versa). You can get away with anything in the NFL for about 4 or 5 weeks. Once the DC's and OC's have enough film to study, you may see some of this stuff sorting itself out.
Ryan, who has thrown for 61,000 yards and closing in on 400 td's, and Wilson who has thrown for 38,000 yards and 300 td's didn't suddenly forget how to play qb and Geno Smith at age 31 and on his 4th team didn't suddenly become a great qb.
not being that good any more or without Pete Caroll and a run heavy / emphasis on Defense team.
The fact is Russ Wilson has never looked good being the focal point of the offense. Caroll didn't like it even though eh made exceptions for him that I am sure is what drove his teammates crazy.
The fact is if you let Russ cook I'd rather go to McDonalds. I would take Chad Powers any day. let alone a supposedly "elite" QB for 230 mil and a ton of draft pics.
Bottom line would you still trade for him as Giant given what you know now? If the answer is yes you have lost your mind.
The fact is Russ Wilson has never looked good being the focal point of the offense.
For another member of the Daft & Uninformed Club...
Look at the QBRs, total TDs, TD/INT ratio, Y/A, etc in Seattle. Specifically, looks at the years without Lynch, who left in 2015, where Wilson had his best years.
The fact is Russ Wilson has never looked good being the focal point of the offense.
For another member of the Daft & Uninformed Club...
Look at the QBRs, total TDs, TD/INT ratio, Y/A, etc in Seattle. Specifically, looks at the years without Lynch, who left in 2015, where Wilson had his best years. Information - ( New Window )
I was not talking about that. I specifically said when I was talking about. So you decided to cherry pick years without Marshawn Lynch and describe those as the focal point.
Also you are picking a time from 7 years ago! Furthermore QBR? I know this might come across as whatever, but I just think ESPN made up a stat in order to make themselves not look foolish when they hype someone up and they turn out like a Ryan.
may need to be chalked up to no reps and few starter snaps in the three preseason games. My suspicions are that as these vet qb's and o-lines settle in with the receivers and rb's, that things will look different in a few weeks.
Also keep in mind that DC's facing teams with rookie qb's (or those who haven't played much) or new OC's have no film to study. (and vice versa). You can get away with anything in the NFL for about 4 or 5 weeks. Once the DC's and OC's have enough film to study, you may see some of this stuff sorting itself out.
Ryan, who has thrown for 61,000 yards and closing in on 400 td's, and Wilson who has thrown for 38,000 yards and 300 td's didn't suddenly forget how to play qb and Geno Smith at age 31 and on his 4th team didn't suddenly become a great qb.
Ryan is 37 years old and hasn't played at a high level for some time now. I think he's just finished, like Eli was at the end.
Agreed. Hackett and his offense look like they are playing blindfolded.
LOL - of COURSE you offer up an excuse for Wilson...
Have you watched this game? Wilson completed a long pass in the third quarter where two Denver receivers were fighting over a 50 yard pass down the middle of the field. Does that look like an offense remotely in sync?
C’mon man. It’s not just tonight. He hasn’t played well at all. He has plenty of offensive weapons. People complained about, “Let Russ cook!” in Seattle. Well, he got his wish. He’s where he wanted to be. He isn’t cooking so well and, looks like a fork is sprouting from his back.
Meanwhile Geno is cooking pretty well in Seattle. Between what they got in the trade return and how they’re playing this year, Pete Carroll looks like a combo of John Dillinger and Harry Houdini. The guy has really done a masterful job all around.
Seattle has won 2 games, 1 of which was against the horrible Broncos (barely). I would not call that masterful.
I am amused that according to the geniuses on this board that Wilson a HOF QB is finished after 5 games witb a new team, but Jones who has been bad for 3+ years, still has hope. The inconsistency, homerism and dishonesty is truly stunning.
You can bet on Jones. I'll bet on Wilson.
Eventually, the bell tolls even for HoF QBs. And you're not only betting on Wilson, you're betting on Hackett, his staff, and his system all coming together at the same time, before the ungodly mortgage in cap and draft capital comes due. If you're making the play for the established, big-name QB, might make sense to also have an established, HC with a proven system. Maybe the QB is the one missing piece, like Peyton was. Or maybe not. Right now, this doesn't look like it will end well for the Broncos. And btw, this has nothing to do with Jones.
"I'm all in favor of it"
You do realize Wilson has a decade of production where he has lifted the team around him, right?
So, he has some stripes...
Right now, he is not playing well.
The past means nothing when comparing what someone is doing on the field right now. Wilson looks awful, makes horrible decisions and was directly responsible for tonight's loss.
I think that's fair. But I'm not ready to write this guy off yet after five games. IMV, he's got enough equity built up to work his way through this.
And he's not really alone. A lot of QBs are playing below par right now. See Ryan, Brady, Satfford, Carr, Burrow, Murray. Even Rodgers.
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Broncos get:
QB Russell Wilson
2022 fourth-round pick
Seahawks get:
QB Drew Lock
DT Shelby Harris
TE Noah Fant
2022 first-round pick
2022 second-round pick
2022 fifth-round pick
2023 first-round pick
2023 second-round pick
Woof.
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You do realize Wilson has a decade of production where he has lifted the team around him, right?
So, he has some stripes...
Right now, he is not playing well.
The past means nothing when comparing what someone is doing on the field right now. Wilson looks awful, makes horrible decisions and was directly responsible for tonight's loss.
I think that's fair. But I'm not ready to write this guy off yet after five games. IMV, he's got enough equity built up to work his way through this.
And he's not really alone. A lot of QBs are playing below par right now. See Ryan, Brady, Satfford, Carr, Burrow, Murray. Even Rodgers.
There were plenty of threads clamoring for us to dump DJ and find a way to sign Wilson. I'm not accusing you, but a lot of people thought Wilson would do well on this offense. I think it's clear at this point he would have been an awful acquisition.
That has NOTHING to do with the present; you (and others) advocated for a trade for a 33 year old QB who showed signs of being cooked last year, to a team that was infinitely less talented than DEN.
He’s playing with a team that has talent galore on offense, and Wilson has absolutely SUCKED thru 5 games.
Truth.
Well, I don't want to go over old real estate again, but Wilson was injured last year and was playing well before he got hurt and towards the end of the year when the thumb started to heal. Of course, that would require you having an understanding of those details.
I keep hearing about all of this talent Denver has on offense. Outside of Sutton, who has actually produced good results, where is all this talent you are talking about?
Well a couple things could have factored in:
- they didn't want a tie
- they didn't think they could stop the colts
- they only needed a yard for a first down
Stopping the Colts and getting the ball back in under 3 min is tall order. The Colts last two drives resulted in FGs and one of only took 2 min to go 70 yards. Maybe the Broncos stop them, but that d did not play well the final 2 possessions. Might have been gassed
That was KJ Hamler and plenty of Broncos fans on their message board noticed it.
Wilson missed a lot tonight.
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Agreed. Hackett and his offense look like they are playing blindfolded.
LOL - of COURSE you offer up an excuse for Wilson...
Have you watched this game? Wilson completed a long pass in the third quarter where two Denver receivers were fighting over a 50 yard pass down the middle of the field. Does that look like an offense remotely in sync?
C’mon man. It’s not just tonight. He hasn’t played well at all. He has plenty of offensive weapons. People complained about, “Let Russ cook!” in Seattle. Well, he got his wish. He’s where he wanted to be. He isn’t cooking so well and, looks like a fork is sprouting from his back.
Meanwhile Geno is cooking pretty well in Seattle. Between what they got in the trade return and how they’re playing this year, Pete Carroll looks like a combo of John Dillinger and Harry Houdini. The guy has really done a masterful job all around.
I still think Wilson will turn it around in Denver. Denver's HC may be worse than Judge.
What a snooze fest that game was.
On the other hand, Ryan looked like toast. Dying quails and inaccurate - a deadly combination.
Neither team will leave co-ordinators sleepless.
So, let's say Wilson comes out of it and starts playing well. They don't have a first or second round draft choice next year to build up the rest of the team.
It was not a good trade. They should hire a better GM like Gettleman, I hear he's available. They could lure him out of retirement.
Wilson is pathetically bad..
I wanted Pierce on the Giants over Robinson.
Shouldn't Wilson be a force multiplier?
In all seriousness, I have no idea if the guy is injured and he's had a hell of a career to date... but bottom line is DEN (and Colts) just outright stink right now and I am glad we didn't mortgage the farm to get Wilson.
LOL
Shouldn't Wilson be a force multiplier?
In all seriousness, I have no idea if the guy is injured and he's had a hell of a career to date... but bottom line is DEN (and Colts) just outright stink right now and I am glad we didn't mortgage the farm to get Wilson.
Wilson is indeed being paid to play at a high level. And right now, he's failing.
But he's been a great QB in this league for a long time. And I'm not ready to give his eulogy until I see more evidence than five games into a season with a new team and first time HC.
In my view, he deserves the benefit of the doubt to figure this thing out. He's earned that.
Furthermore, I don't buy that he was deteriorating last year. He had a thumb injury. Before the injury, he was play very well. When the thumb healed the final four games of the season, Wilson started to find his game again.
Lot of people discredited Pete Carroll with the success of them and how he's now over the hill. Seahawks are lacking everywhere but the wide receiver room and they're allowing career average Geno Smith look good.
Wilson has not won big games since the defense stopped being elite and he lost Marshawn. In fact, he has zero playoff wins in eight years when his defense gives up at least ONE touchdown. Lots of regular season stats and wins, however has failed to win the important ones that also matter in January.
You can bet on Jones. I'll bet on Wilson.
You can bet on Jones. I'll bet on Wilson.
Wilson didn't look good last season.
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I am amused that according to the geniuses on this board that Wilson a HOF QB is finished after 5 games witb a new team, but Jones who has been bad for 3+ years, still has hope. The inconsistency, homerism and dishonesty is truly stunning.
You can bet on Jones. I'll bet on Wilson.
Wilson didn't look good last season.
We've been through these numbers. When his throwing hand wasn't injured he wasn't good, he was fantastic.
You can bet on Jones. I'll bet on Wilson.
At $245M....Wilson had better be the better QB by a large margin. Seattle is a better team right now with Geno Smith.
Lot of people discredited Pete Carroll with the success of them and how he's now over the hill. Seahawks are lacking everywhere but the wide receiver room and they're allowing career average Geno Smith look good.
Wilson has not won big games since the defense stopped being elite and he lost Marshawn. In fact, he has zero playoff wins in eight years when his defense gives up at least ONE touchdown. Lots of regular season stats and wins, however has failed to win the important ones that also matter in January.
The unsung pieces to this unexpected start for Seattle are the two rookie tackles - Abraham Lucas (RT) and Charles Cross (LT). It looks like Seattle may have solved a critical need in one draft. If so, what a job by Scheider/Carroll.
Wilson was in Seattle for ten years and made the playoffs 8X. They got to two SBs, won one, and won at least one game in the playoffs for six of those eight years. And in the latter half of his career, he had to manage around some atrocious offensive lines. So, I'm not sure what more you want. The guy was a model of consistency.
It feels very strange having to even bring up these points to the board, who act like Wilson was just a passenger in Seattle and not the driver of that bus.
Lot of people discredited Pete Carroll with the success of them and how he's now over the hill. Seahawks are lacking everywhere but the wide receiver room and they're allowing career average Geno Smith look good.
Wilson has not won big games since the defense stopped being elite and he lost Marshawn. In fact, he has zero playoff wins in eight years when his defense gives up at least ONE touchdown. Lots of regular season stats and wins, however has failed to win the important ones that also matter in January.
That is a pathetically transparent torturing of data in an odd attempt to try to discredit a very good player
Also keep in mind that DC's facing teams with rookie qb's (or those who haven't played much) or new OC's have no film to study. (and vice versa). You can get away with anything in the NFL for about 4 or 5 weeks. Once the DC's and OC's have enough film to study, you may see some of this stuff sorting itself out.
Ryan, who has thrown for 61,000 yards and closing in on 400 td's, and Wilson who has thrown for 38,000 yards and 300 td's didn't suddenly forget how to play qb and Geno Smith at age 31 and on his 4th team didn't suddenly become a great qb.
The fact is Russ Wilson has never looked good being the focal point of the offense. Caroll didn't like it even though eh made exceptions for him that I am sure is what drove his teammates crazy.
The fact is if you let Russ cook I'd rather go to McDonalds. I would take Chad Powers any day. let alone a supposedly "elite" QB for 230 mil and a ton of draft pics.
Bottom line would you still trade for him as Giant given what you know now? If the answer is yes you have lost your mind.
The fact is Russ Wilson has never looked good being the focal point of the offense.
For another member of the Daft & Uninformed Club...
Look at the QBRs, total TDs, TD/INT ratio, Y/A, etc in Seattle. Specifically, looks at the years without Lynch, who left in 2015, where Wilson had his best years.
Information - ( New Window )
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The fact is Russ Wilson has never looked good being the focal point of the offense.
For another member of the Daft & Uninformed Club...
Look at the QBRs, total TDs, TD/INT ratio, Y/A, etc in Seattle. Specifically, looks at the years without Lynch, who left in 2015, where Wilson had his best years. Information - ( New Window )
I was not talking about that. I specifically said when I was talking about. So you decided to cherry pick years without Marshawn Lynch and describe those as the focal point.
Also you are picking a time from 7 years ago! Furthermore QBR? I know this might come across as whatever, but I just think ESPN made up a stat in order to make themselves not look foolish when they hype someone up and they turn out like a Ryan.
Also keep in mind that DC's facing teams with rookie qb's (or those who haven't played much) or new OC's have no film to study. (and vice versa). You can get away with anything in the NFL for about 4 or 5 weeks. Once the DC's and OC's have enough film to study, you may see some of this stuff sorting itself out.
Ryan, who has thrown for 61,000 yards and closing in on 400 td's, and Wilson who has thrown for 38,000 yards and 300 td's didn't suddenly forget how to play qb and Geno Smith at age 31 and on his 4th team didn't suddenly become a great qb.
Ryan is 37 years old and hasn't played at a high level for some time now. I think he's just finished, like Eli was at the end.
He had a very good career - and he still might have some good games - but he's not close to the same guy anymore.
I'm loving every second of it.
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Agreed. Hackett and his offense look like they are playing blindfolded.
LOL - of COURSE you offer up an excuse for Wilson...
Have you watched this game? Wilson completed a long pass in the third quarter where two Denver receivers were fighting over a 50 yard pass down the middle of the field. Does that look like an offense remotely in sync?
C’mon man. It’s not just tonight. He hasn’t played well at all. He has plenty of offensive weapons. People complained about, “Let Russ cook!” in Seattle. Well, he got his wish. He’s where he wanted to be. He isn’t cooking so well and, looks like a fork is sprouting from his back.
Meanwhile Geno is cooking pretty well in Seattle. Between what they got in the trade return and how they’re playing this year, Pete Carroll looks like a combo of John Dillinger and Harry Houdini. The guy has really done a masterful job all around.
Seattle has won 2 games, 1 of which was against the horrible Broncos (barely). I would not call that masterful.
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To continue their “torturing of America” tour.
I'm loving every second of it.
The worse Denver does, the higher picks Seattle gets
I can't say for sure, but it looks to me like he needs 4 more weeks of camp.
Of course, in 4 weeks it will be too little, too late.
The decisions, the timing, everything seems off.
He was pretty arrogant to not play in the preseason and put in all the work needed for a QB of a new team.
He thinks he's Mahomes/Allen/Burrow/Herbert..........he's not.
You can bet on Jones. I'll bet on Wilson.
Eventually, the bell tolls even for HoF QBs. And you're not only betting on Wilson, you're betting on Hackett, his staff, and his system all coming together at the same time, before the ungodly mortgage in cap and draft capital comes due. If you're making the play for the established, big-name QB, might make sense to also have an established, HC with a proven system. Maybe the QB is the one missing piece, like Peyton was. Or maybe not. Right now, this doesn't look like it will end well for the Broncos. And btw, this has nothing to do with Jones.