Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
Actually, what Poole did was not legally be considered assault (or battery, which would be the appropriate charge for Green) as Green, the aggressor, initiated the contact, before the push. You can legally punch a guy in the face if someone were to initiate unwelcome contact, even if it's something like throwing a glass of water in your face.
Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Supposedly, both were up for extensions. Supposedly, Poole will get his extension, while Dray's isn't coming yet. Supposedly, Dray is angling for a max deal (shyeah right, despite his 'intangibles', a max deal for 7PPG, 7RPG, & 7APG? I don't think so...). Supposedly, Poole was beating his chest about his extension in camp. So whatever, take from all that what you will.
But more weak sauce. GS is indeed going after the 'messenger', harder than they initially went after the aggressor...
Late contribution to what did we learn this week: apparently leaking a video of a psychopath unleashing on his teammate is worse than a psychopath unleashing on his teammate.
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Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
Actually, what Poole did was not legally be considered assault (or battery, which would be the appropriate charge for Green) as Green, the aggressor, initiated the contact, before the push. You can legally punch a guy in the face if someone were to initiate unwelcome contact, even if it's something like throwing a glass of water in your face.
Is this true, though? If someone throws a glass of water in your face, you aren't in any immediate danger afterward.
I guess if you tried to use the argument "I feared for my life". Are you free to shoot them dead if they throw the water in your face?
Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
Not sure why you need to mock me personally. Could it be you don’t have a good argument? And again, this isn’t about me, or your misrepresentation of my team sports participation. it’s about the ridiculous assertion that guys fighting in practice is a matter for the police.
Late contribution to what did we learn this week: apparently leaking a video of a psychopath unleashing on his teammate is worse than a psychopath unleashing on his teammate.
That's well said.
Alas, you didn't learn the real lesson here. Poole caused the issue by pushing Green.
Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
Not sure why you need to mock me personally. Could it be you don’t have a good argument? And again, this isn’t about me, or your misrepresentation of my team sports participation. it’s about the ridiculous assertion that guys fighting in practice is a matter for the police.
I apologize for that, that wasn’t right. Assault is assault, I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be assault just because it happened at a sports practice. What if this happened anywhere in public or any other occupation? It’s not ok there, but anything goes at a sports practice? If you don’t think that’s a good argument I don’t know what else to say. Also it wasn’t guys fighting, it was one guy fighting.
Punk shit. Poole thought he was at practice not a nightclub at 2AM. Dray should’ve just pushed Poole into the wall if he really wanted to get physical. But that punch in that scenario is weak af and makes me think Poole got in his head with some “I’m better” type comment.
10-20 games seems reasonable as a suspension since Portis got 8. But that wasn’t on video and wasn’t between primetime names.
Somehow all this makes me appreciate Curry more. He knows he’s good but the way he feeds his ego is so secure it’s ridiculous.
Who has anything bad to say about this guy is a racist, according to many NBA experts.
Well that's persecution complex bullshit.
Man, Draymond has serious anger management issues. I've followed him his entire career and he's such an enigma -- on the one hand, you can't imagine him being a typical loathsome teammate/athlete like TO or Antonio Brown, but on the other hand him punching out a teammate isn't even entirely surprising.
DG for punching him like that, those who think he’s just a punk don’t know much about DG. He was just at MSU for an event (their HOF maybe) and the way he talked about Izzo, and his life was something. He may be a lot of things (bad tempered, hyper competitive, impulsive) but what he’s not is stupid or as simple as just a punk.
He's an enigma for sure and possesses both sides simultaneously. It's not that unusual.
He can be incredibly gracious post-game or post-series in both victory and defeat. You hear him talk about Jokic after beating the Nuggets or Kawhi after losing to Toronto and you'd think he's incredibly classy. But then he's also kind of a psychopath.
I apologize for that, that wasn’t right. Assault is assault, I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be assault just because it happened at a sports practice. What if this happened anywhere in public or any other occupation? It’s not ok there, but anything goes at a sports practice? If you don’t think that’s a good argument I don’t know what else to say. Also it wasn’t guys fighting, it was one guy fighting.
Thanks Name - we’re good! And I do see your point - that was a vicious shot and we all know Dray is pretty intense and doesn’t always play fair. I don’t condone throwing punches under any circumstances. My only point is that the cops don’t need to be involved.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
Wild stuff.
Well there's a reason why whistleblower protection laws exist. A lot of people would just rather snitches get stitches.
Yep. It’s crazy how far they’ve come recently. Best college program, and the best club with the NLWC.
Have a great chance again this year with RBY, Starocci, Brooks and Dean back.
Saw Taylor won the Worlds two weeks ago. And apparently Kyle Dake is joining NLWC.
They’ll win it again, the battle is for 2nd place.
Yea, he beat Yazdani again, handled him pretty damn good too. He’s looking the best he ever has. Dake is indeed coming, just hope it doesn’t cause Nolf to leave, he’s one of my favorites.
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Have a great chance again this year with RBY, Starocci, Brooks and Dean back.
Saw Taylor won the Worlds two weeks ago. And apparently Kyle Dake is joining NLWC.
They’ll win it again, the battle is for 2nd place.
Yea, he beat Yazdani again, handled him pretty damn good too. He’s looking the best he ever has. Dake is indeed coming, just hope it doesn’t cause Nolf to leave, he’s one of my favorites.
It's crazy to think that 5 years ago, USA Wrestling had Taylor, Dake and Burrough competing at the same weight class.
Interesting take on Nolf. Wonder if he'd be tempted to join Joseph with Sunkist.
Keep an eye on this Facundo kid this year. Could be the next great one...
Ain’t no way! Over a foul in practice… nahhh run me my fade. And y’all talking about it should have never got out is weird! So is it weird that y’all mad at the person for putting it out but yet when cops beat up prisoners in jail we want all the info! Can’t have it both ways.
Dubs going after the leaker? GTFO. Don't lose sight of the more important issue: one of the team leader's assaulting a fellow teammate.
I think they ought to spend effort on both to be honest. I'm not full PJ on this and don't think reporting the crime is worse than the crime, but it IS worth pursuing who filmed it and why they went to TMZ with it.
Myers looks so weak when he says "these things happen."
No, these things rarely if ever happen. Unless you're Green. And the way you solve problems is punching college kids, kicking your opponents in the dick, and knocking your teammate out at practice.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
Draymond Green seems like the kind of guy destined to be on the receiving end of something very violent because he does the exact wrong thing given the circumstances. Maybe the org can use this as an opportunity to check him, and not enable him.
This is really bad. I've played sports from my youth
up until now and I'm 46, mostly recreationally. I have played sports with some real shitty people and teammates and never in a million years would I consider knocking someone out and that's recreational. These guys are supposed to be professionals and teammates are supposed to be family. It's quite telling that this POS organization wants to cover this up and puts the blame on the camera person. Green is a POS and I hope this blows up all over them.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
Haha, for some reason the Warriors leaking this and then stating they are going to investigate to find out who leaked it reminds me of OJ proclaiming he’s gonna help look for the killer…
It's quite telling that this POS organization wants to cover this up
I'm of the mind that GS knew EXACTLY what this was from the beginning. Now they're spinning it like they initially thought it was just a 'love tap jab' and they're suddenly horrified to find out the extent of it. In this day and age, a multi billion dollar business like the GS Warriors doesn't know what happens in their practice? They probably have at least four 8K HD cameras filming everything from each angle of the court.
Like the NFL and Ravens years ago (I am NOT comparing the two incidents however), GS probably thought they could get away with one ("Poole wasn't 'hurt', nothing to see here, move along..."). Until the casino released that Ray Rice elevator video ("Damn the snitch who released the vid!" HUH?!), then all hell broke loose. And now GS has to change it's story/position and up the ante as well.
It was an assault. Green had bad intentions going in, while Poole did not expect to just get punched out like that in practice. If they were in the octagon with their dukes up, sure, fair game. But not in a scrimmage. Just bad optics all around for GS.
Draymond Green has been enabled by the GS organization
He is a PUNK. Poole did not deserve to get punched out.
GS was not going to suspend Green. Steph Curry should step up now and admonish Green's actions.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
I've entertained that same conspiracy theory myself. The Warriors are going to have to deal with contracts for People, Wiggins, and Green. Of the 3, Green makes the least sense to pay a ton of money to despite his immense value to the team. But if they don't give him a contract it's a bad look.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
I've entertained that same conspiracy theory myself. The Warriors are going to have to deal with contracts for People, Wiggins, and Green. Of the 3, Green makes the least sense to pay a ton of money to despite his immense value to the team. But if they don't give him a contract it's a bad look.
But maybe not a very bad look anymore.
They are going to have to consider trading him if they aren’t going to give him a contract. A pissed off and butt hurt Draymond can tear a team apart, I’d imagine. Hell, it looks like it’s already happening…
Myers has to convince Curry that Green can't be part of the future.
And aside from his intangibles, Green is simply not a high value player. He's not a player you can paying 30M+ a year in his mid 30s. Not to mention the 160M+ luxury tax GSW is living in each year.
christian...I gotta imagine even Steph is fed up with Green's antics @ this point. I can't imagine he loves fielding ?s about Green punching a fellow teammate.
Myers and Draymond are besties. Myers goes out his way to excuse Draymond's behavior.
The only way Green gets traded is if Curry says enough is enough. Because no matter how much of a leader and all that Green is -- Steph is the best player in the world and you have to keep him happy.
They are going to have to consider trading him if they aren’t going to give him a contract. A pissed off and butt hurt Draymond can tear a team apart, I’d imagine. Hell, it looks like it’s already happening…
I guess it's fitting that a player whose contributions are so unique also can tear a team apart in such a unique way. He's no typical bad-for-chemistry diva like TO or Antonio Brown. Instead he's a team leader and wildly respected in the organization and locker room, while also being a wild card who might eventually punch a guy for little provocation.
Seems like he's still on board with Green, so far. He parrots the same company line. Green still provides 'value' to them, though advancing age and diminishing skill might be near that tipping point. If they were ready to move on, we would have heard more from everyone, including Poole, about the audacity of all this. Instead, they all tried to sweep it under.
Including both Steph and Kerr, unless they really didn't know the extent of it (which I find incredulous, both being a few feet away from it all). It's understandable, they both want more rings. But no less detestable. Kerr knows this routine. He lived through the same thing in his playing days. As long as they kept winning, the Bulls tolerated and kept enabling the Worm. But once he was no longer worth the trouble, it was over. I suspect GS will still try to keep it going. They're the defending champs, and they'll still need the brute to survive in the playoffs.
Listening to Green this morning, I've gone from meh on it leaking, to glad it did. Hearing Green say it's BS this leaked, but not all the good stuff he does in practice, is a riot.
It leaked because you punched your teammate in the face.
Let's say that again slowly. Punched your teammate in the face.
Listening to Green this morning, I've gone from meh on it leaking, to glad it did. Hearing Green say it's BS this leaked, but not all the good stuff he does in practice, is a riot.
It leaked because you punched your teammate in the face.
Let's say that again slowly. Punched your teammate in the face.
He didn't say that all the good stuff he does in practice leaks. He just said practice stuff doesn't usually leak.
He's right about that. Again I'm not full-on PJ "the leak is worse than the punch," but there is something ghoulish about entities like TMZ paying people off for stuff like this, and no one can convince me their motives are virtuous or something.
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What Green did was wrong. It was never in debate in my posts. Once I saw the angle Gary posted I even removed any blame I held for Poole pushing him. Green should be punished. I don't know what the appropriate punishment is, but that's for the Warriors and Poole to decide. If Poole is ok with it, then it doesn't really matter if any of you/us are ok with it.
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My point about the leak and it being worse than the punch is simple. As a coach or leader in the organization I can deal with the punch. I wouldn't like it happened but things like this happen with sports teams. The job is to compete, it gets heated, people's personalities and temperaments and stress level are all different and tempers flare for whatever reason. And as a coach or leader in the organization I feel like it's my job to manage the fall out when something like this happens. You cannot compare professional sports to "places of employment" like some of you try. It's just different.
So, when the leak happened it is problematic for several reasons:
1. Most importantly as a coach or leader in the organization I can no longer handle it the way I saw fit, I'm now beholden to handle it to appease the public or the league or whoever. This neuters me as a leader to an extent. And the best thing to come out of an incident like this is the recovery, it's where leaders shine. Using a negative incident or event to bring the team together to strengthen the bond and unify or galvanize toward a common goal.
2. The punch was an emotional heat of the moment lapse in judgment. The leak was a calculated betrayal by someone who I will assume had the trust of people in the organization. Without knowing who did it, you can't trust anyone or you need to be leery of everyone. and if you do find out you can never trust that person again in any capacity.
3. the leaker most likely did it for personal gain, which is not the altruistic motive some of you try to claim. if it was truly to get the video out there are much better avenues that are less tabloid-ish than TMZ. It's like selling your news story to the Enquirer because it needs to be told.
Anyway, some people won't agree and that's ok, not everyone needs to agree on every topic, but as a coach at a very low level I can tell you there is nothing coaches hate more than distractions and the leak turned this from an incident to a massive distraction.
That is why for me, the leak is worse than the punch. And I get the Warriors reason for pursuing the leaker. It's not like someone of you claim. "they don't care about what Green did they only want to find the leaker" Two things can simultaneously be true for the Warriors. They could not like what Green did and want to punish him *and* feel like the leak was an unforgivable betrayal and want to know the identity of the person who sold it.
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Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
Actually, what Poole did was not legally be considered assault (or battery, which would be the appropriate charge for Green) as Green, the aggressor, initiated the contact, before the push. You can legally punch a guy in the face if someone were to initiate unwelcome contact, even if it's something like throwing a glass of water in your face.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
But more weak sauce. GS is indeed going after the 'messenger', harder than they initially went after the aggressor...
GS going hard after leak - ( New Window )
& I can't believe anyone would defend Green's actions.
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Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
Actually, what Poole did was not legally be considered assault (or battery, which would be the appropriate charge for Green) as Green, the aggressor, initiated the contact, before the push. You can legally punch a guy in the face if someone were to initiate unwelcome contact, even if it's something like throwing a glass of water in your face.
Is this true, though? If someone throws a glass of water in your face, you aren't in any immediate danger afterward.
I guess if you tried to use the argument "I feared for my life". Are you free to shoot them dead if they throw the water in your face?
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
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Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
Not sure why you need to mock me personally. Could it be you don’t have a good argument? And again, this isn’t about me, or your misrepresentation of my team sports participation. it’s about the ridiculous assertion that guys fighting in practice is a matter for the police.
Don't want to go off on a tangent here but wrestling at a Big Ten school is pretty damn impressive.
If you share with me that it was Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota or even Wisconsin, I'm even more impressed... ;)
That's well said.
Alas, you didn't learn the real lesson here. Poole caused the issue by pushing Green.
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Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
Not sure why you need to mock me personally. Could it be you don’t have a good argument? And again, this isn’t about me, or your misrepresentation of my team sports participation. it’s about the ridiculous assertion that guys fighting in practice is a matter for the police.
I apologize for that, that wasn’t right. Assault is assault, I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be assault just because it happened at a sports practice. What if this happened anywhere in public or any other occupation? It’s not ok there, but anything goes at a sports practice? If you don’t think that’s a good argument I don’t know what else to say. Also it wasn’t guys fighting, it was one guy fighting.
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I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school.
Don't want to go off on a tangent here but wrestling at a Big Ten school is pretty damn impressive.
If you share with me that it was Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota or even Wisconsin, I'm even more impressed... ;)
One of them, before the dynasty started though. But they wouldn’t want me now, well maybe for water boy : )
10-20 games seems reasonable as a suspension since Portis got 8. But that wasn’t on video and wasn’t between primetime names.
Somehow all this makes me appreciate Curry more. He knows he’s good but the way he feeds his ego is so secure it’s ridiculous.
Well that's persecution complex bullshit.
Man, Draymond has serious anger management issues. I've followed him his entire career and he's such an enigma -- on the one hand, you can't imagine him being a typical loathsome teammate/athlete like TO or Antonio Brown, but on the other hand him punching out a teammate isn't even entirely surprising.
Don't want to go off on a tangent here but wrestling at a Big Ten school is pretty damn impressive.
If you share with me that it was Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota or even Wisconsin, I'm even more impressed... ;)
One of them, before the dynasty started though. But they wouldn’t want me now, well maybe for water boy : )
If you mean HV before Cal arrived, that's still pretty awesome.
He's an enigma for sure and possesses both sides simultaneously. It's not that unusual.
He can be incredibly gracious post-game or post-series in both victory and defeat. You hear him talk about Jokic after beating the Nuggets or Kawhi after losing to Toronto and you'd think he's incredibly classy. But then he's also kind of a psychopath.
I apologize for that, that wasn’t right. Assault is assault, I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be assault just because it happened at a sports practice. What if this happened anywhere in public or any other occupation? It’s not ok there, but anything goes at a sports practice? If you don’t think that’s a good argument I don’t know what else to say. Also it wasn’t guys fighting, it was one guy fighting.
Thanks Name - we’re good! And I do see your point - that was a vicious shot and we all know Dray is pretty intense and doesn’t always play fair. I don’t condone throwing punches under any circumstances. My only point is that the cops don’t need to be involved.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
Wild stuff.
Well there's a reason why whistleblower protection laws exist. A lot of people would just rather snitches get stitches.
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Don't want to go off on a tangent here but wrestling at a Big Ten school is pretty damn impressive.
If you share with me that it was Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota or even Wisconsin, I'm even more impressed... ;)
One of them, before the dynasty started though. But they wouldn’t want me now, well maybe for water boy : )
If you mean HV before Cal arrived, that's still pretty awesome.
Yep. It’s crazy how far they’ve come recently. Best college program, and the best club with the NLWC.
Yep. It’s crazy how far they’ve come recently. Best college program, and the best club with the NLWC.
Have a great chance again this year with RBY, Starocci, Brooks and Dean back.
Saw Taylor won the Worlds two weeks ago. And apparently Kyle Dake is joining NLWC.
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Yep. It’s crazy how far they’ve come recently. Best college program, and the best club with the NLWC.
Have a great chance again this year with RBY, Starocci, Brooks and Dean back.
Saw Taylor won the Worlds two weeks ago. And apparently Kyle Dake is joining NLWC.
They’ll win it again, the battle is for 2nd place.
Yea, he beat Yazdani again, handled him pretty damn good too. He’s looking the best he ever has. Dake is indeed coming, just hope it doesn’t cause Nolf to leave, he’s one of my favorites.
Have a great chance again this year with RBY, Starocci, Brooks and Dean back.
Saw Taylor won the Worlds two weeks ago. And apparently Kyle Dake is joining NLWC.
They’ll win it again, the battle is for 2nd place.
Yea, he beat Yazdani again, handled him pretty damn good too. He’s looking the best he ever has. Dake is indeed coming, just hope it doesn’t cause Nolf to leave, he’s one of my favorites.
It's crazy to think that 5 years ago, USA Wrestling had Taylor, Dake and Burrough competing at the same weight class.
Interesting take on Nolf. Wonder if he'd be tempted to join Joseph with Sunkist.
Keep an eye on this Facundo kid this year. Could be the next great one...
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Ain’t no way! Over a foul in practice… nahhh run me my fade. And y’all talking about it should have never got out is weird! So is it weird that y’all mad at the person for putting it out but yet when cops beat up prisoners in jail we want all the info! Can’t have it both ways.
I think they ought to spend effort on both to be honest. I'm not full PJ on this and don't think reporting the crime is worse than the crime, but it IS worth pursuing who filmed it and why they went to TMZ with it.
No, these things rarely if ever happen. Unless you're Green. And the way you solve problems is punching college kids, kicking your opponents in the dick, and knocking your teammate out at practice.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
Draymond Green seems like the kind of guy destined to be on the receiving end of something very violent because he does the exact wrong thing given the circumstances. Maybe the org can use this as an opportunity to check him, and not enable him.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
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Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
Haha, for some reason the Warriors leaking this and then stating they are going to investigate to find out who leaked it reminds me of OJ proclaiming he’s gonna help look for the killer…
+1000%
I'm of the mind that GS knew EXACTLY what this was from the beginning. Now they're spinning it like they initially thought it was just a 'love tap jab' and they're suddenly horrified to find out the extent of it. In this day and age, a multi billion dollar business like the GS Warriors doesn't know what happens in their practice? They probably have at least four 8K HD cameras filming everything from each angle of the court.
Like the NFL and Ravens years ago (I am NOT comparing the two incidents however), GS probably thought they could get away with one ("Poole wasn't 'hurt', nothing to see here, move along..."). Until the casino released that Ray Rice elevator video ("Damn the snitch who released the vid!" HUH?!), then all hell broke loose. And now GS has to change it's story/position and up the ante as well.
It was an assault. Green had bad intentions going in, while Poole did not expect to just get punched out like that in practice. If they were in the octagon with their dukes up, sure, fair game. But not in a scrimmage. Just bad optics all around for GS.
GS was not going to suspend Green. Steph Curry should step up now and admonish Green's actions.
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Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
I've entertained that same conspiracy theory myself. The Warriors are going to have to deal with contracts for People, Wiggins, and Green. Of the 3, Green makes the least sense to pay a ton of money to despite his immense value to the team. But if they don't give him a contract it's a bad look.
But maybe not a very bad look anymore.
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Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
I've entertained that same conspiracy theory myself. The Warriors are going to have to deal with contracts for People, Wiggins, and Green. Of the 3, Green makes the least sense to pay a ton of money to despite his immense value to the team. But if they don't give him a contract it's a bad look.
But maybe not a very bad look anymore.
They are going to have to consider trading him if they aren’t going to give him a contract. A pissed off and butt hurt Draymond can tear a team apart, I’d imagine. Hell, it looks like it’s already happening…
And aside from his intangibles, Green is simply not a high value player. He's not a player you can paying 30M+ a year in his mid 30s. Not to mention the 160M+ luxury tax GSW is living in each year.
There's an easy exit here if they want it.
Curry is the shot caller. They need his blessing to move Green.
The only way Green gets traded is if Curry says enough is enough. Because no matter how much of a leader and all that Green is -- Steph is the best player in the world and you have to keep him happy.
They are going to have to consider trading him if they aren’t going to give him a contract. A pissed off and butt hurt Draymond can tear a team apart, I’d imagine. Hell, it looks like it’s already happening…
I guess it's fitting that a player whose contributions are so unique also can tear a team apart in such a unique way. He's no typical bad-for-chemistry diva like TO or Antonio Brown. Instead he's a team leader and wildly respected in the organization and locker room, while also being a wild card who might eventually punch a guy for little provocation.
Including both Steph and Kerr, unless they really didn't know the extent of it (which I find incredulous, both being a few feet away from it all). It's understandable, they both want more rings. But no less detestable. Kerr knows this routine. He lived through the same thing in his playing days. As long as they kept winning, the Bulls tolerated and kept enabling the Worm. But once he was no longer worth the trouble, it was over. I suspect GS will still try to keep it going. They're the defending champs, and they'll still need the brute to survive in the playoffs.
It leaked because you punched your teammate in the face.
Let's say that again slowly. Punched your teammate in the face.
It leaked because you punched your teammate in the face.
Let's say that again slowly. Punched your teammate in the face.
He didn't say that all the good stuff he does in practice leaks. He just said practice stuff doesn't usually leak.
He's right about that. Again I'm not full-on PJ "the leak is worse than the punch," but there is something ghoulish about entities like TMZ paying people off for stuff like this, and no one can convince me their motives are virtuous or something.
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What Green did was wrong. It was never in debate in my posts. Once I saw the angle Gary posted I even removed any blame I held for Poole pushing him. Green should be punished. I don't know what the appropriate punishment is, but that's for the Warriors and Poole to decide. If Poole is ok with it, then it doesn't really matter if any of you/us are ok with it.
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My point about the leak and it being worse than the punch is simple. As a coach or leader in the organization I can deal with the punch. I wouldn't like it happened but things like this happen with sports teams. The job is to compete, it gets heated, people's personalities and temperaments and stress level are all different and tempers flare for whatever reason. And as a coach or leader in the organization I feel like it's my job to manage the fall out when something like this happens. You cannot compare professional sports to "places of employment" like some of you try. It's just different.
So, when the leak happened it is problematic for several reasons:
1. Most importantly as a coach or leader in the organization I can no longer handle it the way I saw fit, I'm now beholden to handle it to appease the public or the league or whoever. This neuters me as a leader to an extent. And the best thing to come out of an incident like this is the recovery, it's where leaders shine. Using a negative incident or event to bring the team together to strengthen the bond and unify or galvanize toward a common goal.
2. The punch was an emotional heat of the moment lapse in judgment. The leak was a calculated betrayal by someone who I will assume had the trust of people in the organization. Without knowing who did it, you can't trust anyone or you need to be leery of everyone. and if you do find out you can never trust that person again in any capacity.
3. the leaker most likely did it for personal gain, which is not the altruistic motive some of you try to claim. if it was truly to get the video out there are much better avenues that are less tabloid-ish than TMZ. It's like selling your news story to the Enquirer because it needs to be told.
Anyway, some people won't agree and that's ok, not everyone needs to agree on every topic, but as a coach at a very low level I can tell you there is nothing coaches hate more than distractions and the leak turned this from an incident to a massive distraction.
That is why for me, the leak is worse than the punch. And I get the Warriors reason for pursuing the leaker. It's not like someone of you claim. "they don't care about what Green did they only want to find the leaker" Two things can simultaneously be true for the Warriors. They could not like what Green did and want to punish him *and* feel like the leak was an unforgivable betrayal and want to know the identity of the person who sold it.