and shame on the Warriors for not taking action. The only part of this that's amazing is that in the year 2022 organizations operate like things aren't easily caught on camera.
The Warriors coming out and suspending Green immediately and before this leaked would have been an obvious, smart move. They look awful here.
but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Warriors ownership needs to take a strong stance on this.
I get in the heat of the game stuff if tempers boil over. But Green came across the practice court, not involved in the action, and assaulted his teammate.
If any of this did that at work, we'd be arrested.
looks like he's facing a potentially broken jaw but lets say he got by without major damage - how do you even go back to work like nothing happened? 1 of them to go and not sure how you even handle that. A bit easier in other sports with bigger rosters but this seems like a much bigger deal for basketball.
but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
looks like he's facing a potentially broken jaw but lets say he got by without major damage - how do you even go back to work like nothing happened? 1 of them to go and not sure how you even handle that. A bit easier in other sports with bigger rosters but this seems like a much bigger deal for basketball.
Yeah I remember Bobby Portis punched Nikola Mirotic at a Bulls practice a few years back and it was always really awkward watching them on the court. You'd see high five or something now and then during games but it was reported they never really spoke after that incident. They were both replaceable guys though - Poole and Draymond are key players on a title contender.
I don't necessarily like it either but it definitely isn't the biggest issue in this ordeal. The "crime" is, first and foremost, followed by the lack of action.
and i never said do nothing, it just didn't need to go public and it likely won't result in any legal issue (IMO) the fact it's public is just a distraction now and it will limit how the team can handle it.
I think another explanation on how the video was leaked, is Poole's agent leaked it because his client's employer let him get freaking assaulted at work, and the repercussions were Green apologized to the team.
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Green subsequently left the training facilities and is not expected back until Saturday. The Warriors are still in the process of disciplining Green, but Myers said he does not expect him to miss any games due to punishment.
"These things happen. Nobody likes it, we don't condone it, but it happens," Myers said. "Draymond apologized to the team. Jordan was there in the room. ... As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally."
That was a real punch landed. And it's not like they were scrapping and things escalated. That was just talking and a legit shot. That is a big problem for GSW.
If two guys are mixing it up and it leads to blows, that's easier to get past. And you could say it's part of sports. But this was closer to an assault.
I suspect that if this was caught on a security camera they would have done something because there's no getting around that. They tried hiding this (it seems) and lost, which is pretty sad and a slap in the face for all the other employees that work for their organization.
but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
How do you know?
"...As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally"
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
How do you know?
"...As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally"
He literally said he doesnt expect Draymond to miss any games
Yeah I have zero issue whatsoever with this being leaked
PJ that's a crazy take. I too am pretty confident Poole's representation made sure this got out there. Thing is if this happened to you or I and our company did nothing like the Warriors did, we would have options. We could resign and sue the crap out of them and file criminal charges. If Poole does that it's career suicide. He's trapped there right now. So his representation played the one card they had, putting this out there. It pressures the Warriors to trade him if that's what he wants. You're more than welcome to behave like this with your company, but you also get to face the music over it if there is graphic evidence left behind. Green is an unstable lunatic and the league should realize that sooner or later he's gonna pull this shit in an actual game and they are going to have a real PR meltdown on their hands. Punks like Green are more apt to lose it the older they get as their skills diminish and their frustration grows.
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Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
it's a crime the same way a training camp brawl is a crime in football. Do you think those need to "literally" (so overused as a word) go through the legal system?
I don't. but by letter of the law, sure it's a crime. doesn't mean is has to be handled a specific way. literally.
DG for punching him like that, those who think he’s just a punk don’t know much about DG. He was just at MSU for an event (their HOF maybe) and the way he talked about Izzo, and his life was something. He may be a lot of things (bad tempered, hyper competitive, impulsive) but what he’s not is stupid or as simple as just a punk.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
This ^^^
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I get giving athletes a lot of leeway for physical altercations. Their job is physical, competitive, and intense. But he just walked up to Poole and clocked him. That was not a boil over from being competitive. That was an assault. (And I like Draymond).
I couldn't be happier that this video was leaked. Good for whomever at TMZ for making the deal.
I eagerly await to see how the Warriors deal with this now that the video is public. Let's see if Curry and Thompson step up as leaders.
Let's remember that Kerr once got decked by Jordan at a Bulls practice and, if I recall, nothing happened. So, that might be why nothing happens here to Green other than an aoplogy.
i mean, i guess, technically. but, grown dudes brawling like that? i certainly don't think this is a matter for the police. frankly, if more douche bag dudes were getting their due every now and again i think this world would be a better place. call the police? nah...
and who knows, maybe the GSW released the video to send a message to the rest of the NBA. you wanna bump up on Dray you best come correct cause that was a quick hook!
i mean, i guess, technically. but, grown dudes brawling like that? i certainly don't think this is a matter for the police. frankly, if more douche bag dudes were getting their due every now and again i think this world would be a better place. call the police? nah...
and who knows, maybe the GSW released the video to send a message to the rest of the NBA. you wanna bump up on Dray you best come correct cause that was a quick hook!
i mean, i guess, technically. but, grown dudes brawling like that? i certainly don't think this is a matter for the police. frankly, if more douche bag dudes were getting their due every now and again i think this world would be a better place. call the police? nah...
I know professional sports have a unique culture, but there has to be a line in the actual workplace.
If Poole ended up with a broken jaw, busted eye socket, concussion, would that change your mind?
It seems pretty clear with that video Green's intent was to do bodily harm to Poole. That seems to fit the definition of a crime.
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
Poole was just standing there. If they were actually mixing it up and then fists started flying, I think the reaction would be different. Mine would for sure.
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
You're one of my favorite posters but I really don't understand this take. From the angle of the video, it's likely the person filming isn't even a staff member.
Bigger crime than knocking someone out cold? We don't know who filmed, but why would we assume that any loyalty is owed to Green or the GSW?
I do agree about your final point about bonds forming in the wake of men fighting, but that said, I don't think this video would necessarily preclude that from happening. It's up to Green and Poole regardless. Many athletes can tune out the media.
And even if Green faces suspension or fines, it still doesn't mean that can't happen.
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Dray's a man's man? Seems like an insecure thug to me.
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
This made me chuckle. I do agree, grown men fighting in an adult hockey league sounds like a bunch of guys who peaked early and are still trying to relive the glory days.
It's assault. Draymond is a POS. Didn't surprise me to hear this, considering he kicks players in the balls while playing.
to a coworker, would it be ok for them to handle that "in-house?"
This incident is the same as a training camp fight as a training camp fight is the same as bumping into someone coming off an elevator. In a training camp fight everyone is covered head to toe in pads and they are already getting physical with the other person. Punches being thrown in a scrum aren't going to injure anyone.
Sports is not some sacred realm of human endeavor where the rules of human decency no longer apply. Sucker punching someone who has no chance to defend themselves isn't something that happens in sports. It's something that happens when you work with cowards and lunatics.
but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
You're one of my favorite posters but I really don't understand this take. From the angle of the video, it's likely the person filming isn't even a staff member.
Bigger crime than knocking someone out cold? We don't know who filmed, but why would we assume that any loyalty is owed to Green or the GSW?
I do agree about your final point about bonds forming in the wake of men fighting, but that said, I don't think this video would necessarily preclude that from happening. It's up to Green and Poole regardless. Many athletes can tune out the media.
And even if Green faces suspension or fines, it still doesn't mean that can't happen.
Poole pushed him first. He initiated the contact from the video I watched. Green got in his face, but it wasn't violent until Poole pushed him.
People can disagree all they want, I think this is something that should be handled in house and however it is handled in house the only people whose business it is are the people in the organization.
I think anyone who grew up playing sports probably had an altercation with a teammate. I'm not saying to use the "boys will be boys" defense but at some level the team should police themselves. There is a line obviously, but based on my standards this is a fight between two teammates and while action should be taken and it should not be tolerated it doesn't cross the line for me to involve the police, the media, or the public.
I consider selling this to TMZ a slimy, disgusting, immoral act more than what Green did. Green probably has mental health issues and acted spur of the moment emotionally, the person who sold this did so out of greed and selfishness. but my issue mainly because of how these incidents then get subjected to moral pearl clutching my social media gossips.
It's just my opinion and I realize some people disagree and I'm ok with that.
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. Fighting is part of hockey - it typically happens in a controlled manner and it takes two to tango. If both guys aren't dropping the gloves, there isn't a fight.
The "man's man" stuff is fucking cringe. There's nothing manly about assaulting and sucker-punching someone like that. I don't care if he shoved him. Draymond got in his face first.
Also absolutely insane to me that someone could be more upset that the video got out than the act itself.
It's like being mad that a criminal was caught doing something illegal by a hidden camera. Not mad at the criminal, mad that they got caught on tape without their knowledge.
and this notion that the Warriors GM said they will take care of it internally is insulting unless they suspend without pay for like half the season. SIlver needs to get involved immediately. The dude committed assault at a work facility.
my problem is that it wasn't and we've seen time and time again that organizations don't handle these types of things well. I'm not giving the sports league the benefit of the doubt that they will handle it appropriately since it almost never happens.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
and this notion that the Warriors GM said they will take care of it internally is insulting unless they suspend without pay for like half the season. SIlver needs to get involved immediately. The dude committed assault at a work facility.
my problem is that it wasn't and we've seen time and time again that organizations don't handle these types of things well. I'm not giving the sports league the benefit of the doubt that they will handle it appropriately since it almost never happens.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
You are missing the point.
it's not up to you or me or anyone else what will "solve it".
it is only up to Poole the Warriors and Green.
Whatever they decide is the appropriate action is the appropriate action.
If Poole is ok with the team's decision, who are you to not be ok with it?
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
This made me chuckle. I do agree, grown men fighting in an adult hockey league sounds like a bunch of guys who peaked early and are still trying to relive the glory days.
It's assault. Draymond is a POS. Didn't surprise me to hear this, considering he kicks players in the balls while playing.
Haha! So you don’t think two 50 something’s rolling around on the ice, pulling each others hair and giving each other the business is the same thing as this?
I actually would have loved to see that scene at the rink, would have been hysterical
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The seniors hockey league metaphor would only apply if they were actually in the middle of a play.
I have a feeling most of you would feel differently if you were taking a breather at your league hockey game, one of your teammates got your in face, and if you pushed him off, he rocked you cold.
Now let's add these are pros, at practice, at work.
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my problem is that it wasn't and we've seen time and time again that organizations don't handle these types of things well. I'm not giving the sports league the benefit of the doubt that they will handle it appropriately since it almost never happens.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
You are missing the point.
it's not up to you or me or anyone else what will "solve it".
it is only up to Poole the Warriors and Green.
Whatever they decide is the appropriate action is the appropriate action.
If Poole is ok with the team's decision, who are you to not be ok with it?
I’m not missing your point at all I simply disagree with your stance.
And no, I don’t think what people decide in private is always the appropriate action because we are talking about a league issue now not just a team issue. And it was a league issue before the video leaked because they addressed it right after practice after someone filed a report (before the video). The league didn’t just find out about it from TMZ, they knew beforehand.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
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I would understand somewhat if Poole had sought out Green first and got in his face or tried to throw a punch, but that's not what happened. Green got right up in his face while he was standing on the baseline. What is he supposed to do? Most people would naturally react that way and push him off.
Pushing him out of his face doesn't give Green free reign to cold cock him and knock him out.
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Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
How did he start it? Green walked up to him and got in his face.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
He chest bumps him. Poole pushes him away and then Green lunges and lands a haymaker.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
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He chest bumps him. Poole pushes him away and then Green lunges and lands a haymaker.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
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Please stop making sense. It's very unbecoming... ;)
RE: Green walks over to Poole and initiates contact
He chest bumps him. Poole pushes him away and then Green lunges and lands a haymaker.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
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Green absolutely initiated contact. Suggesting Poole started it because of he pushed him off is absolutely mind boggling. I guess some just HAVE to be contrarian
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
Wild stuff.
how is videotaping someone assaulting somebody else
He chest bumps him. Poole pushes him away and then Green lunges and lands a haymaker.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
Video Shows Draymond Green Violently Punch Jordan Poole at Warriors Practice - ( New Window )
Green absolutely initiated contact. Suggesting Poole started it because of he pushed him off is absolutely mind boggling. I guess some just HAVE to be contrarian
And watch where Green puts his head and how he gets very tight into Poole's chest. Most of the planet would have done what Poole did - push the gutless, bully out of my space.
RE: how is videotaping someone assaulting somebody else
and releasing the video worse than actually being the person assaulting somebody? Talk about killing the messenger
It’s an over correction on lack self accountability and morals. I don’t agree with selling something like that for profit but that should never trump what was caught on camera.
I made is that the video was sold to TMZ, not "released" so someone, presumptively in the inner circle of the team or paid to cover them, could profit off it.
That's worse to me than two teammates having a dust-up.
Don't know what to tell you, you can disagree all you want, your opinion is your opinion.
and it's not killing the messenger, TMZ is the messenger - they're scum but it's their job to be scum, this is killing the profiteer who is nothing but selfish.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
You literally said that Poole could have walked away and that he is the one responsible for turning the “verbal altercation into a physical one (absolutely wrong). Sure as hell seems like you’re justifying what Green did to me.
RE: how is videotaping someone assaulting somebody else
and releasing the video worse than actually being the person assaulting somebody? Talk about killing the messenger
Lol, right? This is the most bonkers stance on the entire thread. If Green hadn't acted completely out of line, there'd be no tape and nothing to sell.
Maybe someone was tired of Green's antics and realized the team wasn't going to discipline him, so they took matters into their own hands. Who knows.
It's fair to feel like it's slimy to capitalize monetarily on selling the footage, but to then decide that's worse than Green cold-cocking his teammate like that is wild.
I made is that the video was sold to TMZ, not "released" so someone, presumptively in the inner circle of the team or paid to cover them, could profit off it.
That's worse to me than two teammates having a dust-up.
Don't know what to tell you, you can disagree all you want, your opinion is your opinion.
and it's not killing the messenger, TMZ is the messenger - they're scum but it's their job to be scum, this is killing the profiteer who is nothing but selfish.
the view Gary posted changes my tune a little, Green did nudge him, however, Poole still could have walked away to avoid conflict or the situation getting worse.
but, stay with me here now, many things can simultaneously be true....
Green was wrong first and foremost (like I have said all along) and should be reprimanded/punished in some way (like I have said all along)
Poole could have still walked away and avoided the confrontation
Poole's shove escalated the situation
It should all have stayed in house, and if I were in a position of authority with the organization (coach, GM, executive, etc.) while I'd be mad at Green I would never trust the person who sold that video to TMZ ever with anything, that is irredeemable in my eyes.
Curious about PJs thoughts on the Ray Rice video leak
It's easy for any of us to say he could/should have just walked away. In the heat of a moment like that, it's very hard to think clearly, calmly, and rationally.
Poole was standing on the baseline and barely even saw Green approach him. The next thing he knew, he had Green in his face. If it's me in that situation, I'd like to think I'd walk away, but I have a pretty good feeling I'd have pushed him the same way Poole did just as a reflex. Not to initiate a fight, but to literally get him the fuck out of my face.
It's one of those things that happens so fast. We all have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Poole didn't.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
Actually, what Poole did was not legally be considered assault (or battery, which would be the appropriate charge for Green) as Green, the aggressor, initiated the contact, before the push. You can legally punch a guy in the face if someone were to initiate unwelcome contact, even if it's something like throwing a glass of water in your face.
Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Supposedly, both were up for extensions. Supposedly, Poole will get his extension, while Dray's isn't coming yet. Supposedly, Dray is angling for a max deal (shyeah right, despite his 'intangibles', a max deal for 7PPG, 7RPG, & 7APG? I don't think so...). Supposedly, Poole was beating his chest about his extension in camp. So whatever, take from all that what you will.
But more weak sauce. GS is indeed going after the 'messenger', harder than they initially went after the aggressor...
Late contribution to what did we learn this week: apparently leaking a video of a psychopath unleashing on his teammate is worse than a psychopath unleashing on his teammate.
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Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
Actually, what Poole did was not legally be considered assault (or battery, which would be the appropriate charge for Green) as Green, the aggressor, initiated the contact, before the push. You can legally punch a guy in the face if someone were to initiate unwelcome contact, even if it's something like throwing a glass of water in your face.
Is this true, though? If someone throws a glass of water in your face, you aren't in any immediate danger afterward.
I guess if you tried to use the argument "I feared for my life". Are you free to shoot them dead if they throw the water in your face?
Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
Not sure why you need to mock me personally. Could it be you don’t have a good argument? And again, this isn’t about me, or your misrepresentation of my team sports participation. it’s about the ridiculous assertion that guys fighting in practice is a matter for the police.
Late contribution to what did we learn this week: apparently leaking a video of a psychopath unleashing on his teammate is worse than a psychopath unleashing on his teammate.
That's well said.
Alas, you didn't learn the real lesson here. Poole caused the issue by pushing Green.
Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
Not sure why you need to mock me personally. Could it be you don’t have a good argument? And again, this isn’t about me, or your misrepresentation of my team sports participation. it’s about the ridiculous assertion that guys fighting in practice is a matter for the police.
I apologize for that, that wasn’t right. Assault is assault, I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be assault just because it happened at a sports practice. What if this happened anywhere in public or any other occupation? It’s not ok there, but anything goes at a sports practice? If you don’t think that’s a good argument I don’t know what else to say. Also it wasn’t guys fighting, it was one guy fighting.
Punk shit. Poole thought he was at practice not a nightclub at 2AM. Dray should’ve just pushed Poole into the wall if he really wanted to get physical. But that punch in that scenario is weak af and makes me think Poole got in his head with some “I’m better” type comment.
10-20 games seems reasonable as a suspension since Portis got 8. But that wasn’t on video and wasn’t between primetime names.
Somehow all this makes me appreciate Curry more. He knows he’s good but the way he feeds his ego is so secure it’s ridiculous.
Who has anything bad to say about this guy is a racist, according to many NBA experts.
Well that's persecution complex bullshit.
Man, Draymond has serious anger management issues. I've followed him his entire career and he's such an enigma -- on the one hand, you can't imagine him being a typical loathsome teammate/athlete like TO or Antonio Brown, but on the other hand him punching out a teammate isn't even entirely surprising.
DG for punching him like that, those who think he’s just a punk don’t know much about DG. He was just at MSU for an event (their HOF maybe) and the way he talked about Izzo, and his life was something. He may be a lot of things (bad tempered, hyper competitive, impulsive) but what he’s not is stupid or as simple as just a punk.
He's an enigma for sure and possesses both sides simultaneously. It's not that unusual.
He can be incredibly gracious post-game or post-series in both victory and defeat. You hear him talk about Jokic after beating the Nuggets or Kawhi after losing to Toronto and you'd think he's incredibly classy. But then he's also kind of a psychopath.
I apologize for that, that wasn’t right. Assault is assault, I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be assault just because it happened at a sports practice. What if this happened anywhere in public or any other occupation? It’s not ok there, but anything goes at a sports practice? If you don’t think that’s a good argument I don’t know what else to say. Also it wasn’t guys fighting, it was one guy fighting.
Thanks Name - we’re good! And I do see your point - that was a vicious shot and we all know Dray is pretty intense and doesn’t always play fair. I don’t condone throwing punches under any circumstances. My only point is that the cops don’t need to be involved.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
Wild stuff.
Well there's a reason why whistleblower protection laws exist. A lot of people would just rather snitches get stitches.
Yep. It’s crazy how far they’ve come recently. Best college program, and the best club with the NLWC.
Have a great chance again this year with RBY, Starocci, Brooks and Dean back.
Saw Taylor won the Worlds two weeks ago. And apparently Kyle Dake is joining NLWC.
They’ll win it again, the battle is for 2nd place.
Yea, he beat Yazdani again, handled him pretty damn good too. He’s looking the best he ever has. Dake is indeed coming, just hope it doesn’t cause Nolf to leave, he’s one of my favorites.
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Have a great chance again this year with RBY, Starocci, Brooks and Dean back.
Saw Taylor won the Worlds two weeks ago. And apparently Kyle Dake is joining NLWC.
They’ll win it again, the battle is for 2nd place.
Yea, he beat Yazdani again, handled him pretty damn good too. He’s looking the best he ever has. Dake is indeed coming, just hope it doesn’t cause Nolf to leave, he’s one of my favorites.
It's crazy to think that 5 years ago, USA Wrestling had Taylor, Dake and Burrough competing at the same weight class.
Interesting take on Nolf. Wonder if he'd be tempted to join Joseph with Sunkist.
Keep an eye on this Facundo kid this year. Could be the next great one...
Ain’t no way! Over a foul in practice… nahhh run me my fade. And y’all talking about it should have never got out is weird! So is it weird that y’all mad at the person for putting it out but yet when cops beat up prisoners in jail we want all the info! Can’t have it both ways.
Dubs going after the leaker? GTFO. Don't lose sight of the more important issue: one of the team leader's assaulting a fellow teammate.
I think they ought to spend effort on both to be honest. I'm not full PJ on this and don't think reporting the crime is worse than the crime, but it IS worth pursuing who filmed it and why they went to TMZ with it.
Myers looks so weak when he says "these things happen."
No, these things rarely if ever happen. Unless you're Green. And the way you solve problems is punching college kids, kicking your opponents in the dick, and knocking your teammate out at practice.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
Draymond Green seems like the kind of guy destined to be on the receiving end of something very violent because he does the exact wrong thing given the circumstances. Maybe the org can use this as an opportunity to check him, and not enable him.
This is really bad. I've played sports from my youth
up until now and I'm 46, mostly recreationally. I have played sports with some real shitty people and teammates and never in a million years would I consider knocking someone out and that's recreational. These guys are supposed to be professionals and teammates are supposed to be family. It's quite telling that this POS organization wants to cover this up and puts the blame on the camera person. Green is a POS and I hope this blows up all over them.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
Haha, for some reason the Warriors leaking this and then stating they are going to investigate to find out who leaked it reminds me of OJ proclaiming he’s gonna help look for the killer…
It's quite telling that this POS organization wants to cover this up
I'm of the mind that GS knew EXACTLY what this was from the beginning. Now they're spinning it like they initially thought it was just a 'love tap jab' and they're suddenly horrified to find out the extent of it. In this day and age, a multi billion dollar business like the GS Warriors doesn't know what happens in their practice? They probably have at least four 8K HD cameras filming everything from each angle of the court.
Like the NFL and Ravens years ago (I am NOT comparing the two incidents however), GS probably thought they could get away with one ("Poole wasn't 'hurt', nothing to see here, move along..."). Until the casino released that Ray Rice elevator video ("Damn the snitch who released the vid!" HUH?!), then all hell broke loose. And now GS has to change it's story/position and up the ante as well.
It was an assault. Green had bad intentions going in, while Poole did not expect to just get punched out like that in practice. If they were in the octagon with their dukes up, sure, fair game. But not in a scrimmage. Just bad optics all around for GS.
Draymond Green has been enabled by the GS organization
He is a PUNK. Poole did not deserve to get punched out.
GS was not going to suspend Green. Steph Curry should step up now and admonish Green's actions.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
I've entertained that same conspiracy theory myself. The Warriors are going to have to deal with contracts for People, Wiggins, and Green. Of the 3, Green makes the least sense to pay a ton of money to despite his immense value to the team. But if they don't give him a contract it's a bad look.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
I've entertained that same conspiracy theory myself. The Warriors are going to have to deal with contracts for People, Wiggins, and Green. Of the 3, Green makes the least sense to pay a ton of money to despite his immense value to the team. But if they don't give him a contract it's a bad look.
But maybe not a very bad look anymore.
They are going to have to consider trading him if they aren’t going to give him a contract. A pissed off and butt hurt Draymond can tear a team apart, I’d imagine. Hell, it looks like it’s already happening…
Myers has to convince Curry that Green can't be part of the future.
And aside from his intangibles, Green is simply not a high value player. He's not a player you can paying 30M+ a year in his mid 30s. Not to mention the 160M+ luxury tax GSW is living in each year.
christian...I gotta imagine even Steph is fed up with Green's antics @ this point. I can't imagine he loves fielding ?s about Green punching a fellow teammate.
Myers and Draymond are besties. Myers goes out his way to excuse Draymond's behavior.
The only way Green gets traded is if Curry says enough is enough. Because no matter how much of a leader and all that Green is -- Steph is the best player in the world and you have to keep him happy.
They are going to have to consider trading him if they aren’t going to give him a contract. A pissed off and butt hurt Draymond can tear a team apart, I’d imagine. Hell, it looks like it’s already happening…
I guess it's fitting that a player whose contributions are so unique also can tear a team apart in such a unique way. He's no typical bad-for-chemistry diva like TO or Antonio Brown. Instead he's a team leader and wildly respected in the organization and locker room, while also being a wild card who might eventually punch a guy for little provocation.
Seems like he's still on board with Green, so far. He parrots the same company line. Green still provides 'value' to them, though advancing age and diminishing skill might be near that tipping point. If they were ready to move on, we would have heard more from everyone, including Poole, about the audacity of all this. Instead, they all tried to sweep it under.
Including both Steph and Kerr, unless they really didn't know the extent of it (which I find incredulous, both being a few feet away from it all). It's understandable, they both want more rings. But no less detestable. Kerr knows this routine. He lived through the same thing in his playing days. As long as they kept winning, the Bulls tolerated and kept enabling the Worm. But once he was no longer worth the trouble, it was over. I suspect GS will still try to keep it going. They're the defending champs, and they'll still need the brute to survive in the playoffs.
Listening to Green this morning, I've gone from meh on it leaking, to glad it did. Hearing Green say it's BS this leaked, but not all the good stuff he does in practice, is a riot.
It leaked because you punched your teammate in the face.
Let's say that again slowly. Punched your teammate in the face.
Listening to Green this morning, I've gone from meh on it leaking, to glad it did. Hearing Green say it's BS this leaked, but not all the good stuff he does in practice, is a riot.
It leaked because you punched your teammate in the face.
Let's say that again slowly. Punched your teammate in the face.
He didn't say that all the good stuff he does in practice leaks. He just said practice stuff doesn't usually leak.
He's right about that. Again I'm not full-on PJ "the leak is worse than the punch," but there is something ghoulish about entities like TMZ paying people off for stuff like this, and no one can convince me their motives are virtuous or something.
First:
What Green did was wrong. It was never in debate in my posts. Once I saw the angle Gary posted I even removed any blame I held for Poole pushing him. Green should be punished. I don't know what the appropriate punishment is, but that's for the Warriors and Poole to decide. If Poole is ok with it, then it doesn't really matter if any of you/us are ok with it.
Second:
My point about the leak and it being worse than the punch is simple. As a coach or leader in the organization I can deal with the punch. I wouldn't like it happened but things like this happen with sports teams. The job is to compete, it gets heated, people's personalities and temperaments and stress level are all different and tempers flare for whatever reason. And as a coach or leader in the organization I feel like it's my job to manage the fall out when something like this happens. You cannot compare professional sports to "places of employment" like some of you try. It's just different.
So, when the leak happened it is problematic for several reasons:
1. Most importantly as a coach or leader in the organization I can no longer handle it the way I saw fit, I'm now beholden to handle it to appease the public or the league or whoever. This neuters me as a leader to an extent. And the best thing to come out of an incident like this is the recovery, it's where leaders shine. Using a negative incident or event to bring the team together to strengthen the bond and unify or galvanize toward a common goal.
2. The punch was an emotional heat of the moment lapse in judgment. The leak was a calculated betrayal by someone who I will assume had the trust of people in the organization. Without knowing who did it, you can't trust anyone or you need to be leery of everyone. and if you do find out you can never trust that person again in any capacity.
3. the leaker most likely did it for personal gain, which is not the altruistic motive some of you try to claim. if it was truly to get the video out there are much better avenues that are less tabloid-ish than TMZ. It's like selling your news story to the Enquirer because it needs to be told.
Anyway, some people won't agree and that's ok, not everyone needs to agree on every topic, but as a coach at a very low level I can tell you there is nothing coaches hate more than distractions and the leak turned this from an incident to a massive distraction.
That is why for me, the leak is worse than the punch. And I get the Warriors reason for pursuing the leaker. It's not like someone of you claim. "they don't care about what Green did they only want to find the leaker" Two things can simultaneously be true for the Warriors. They could not like what Green did and want to punish him *and* feel like the leak was an unforgivable betrayal and want to know the identity of the person who sold it.
The mental gymnastics some fans got through to defend Green are weird.
He's an above average player, who is a complete scum bag.
Crazy part the warriors came out yesterday and said there would be no suspension..
Guaranteed Poole and his agent leaked this to TMZ
The Warriors coming out and suspending Green immediately and before this leaked would have been an obvious, smart move. They look awful here.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
Can nothing stay private anymore?
You’re more bothered by it leaking to the media?
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
I get in the heat of the game stuff if tempers boil over. But Green came across the practice court, not involved in the action, and assaulted his teammate.
If any of this did that at work, we'd be arrested.
He gets leveled by a punch in practice by one of the so called leaders of the team.
The most logical reactions are call the police, make a stink with ownership, or make it public so the latter two things can happen.
The team already took their side by not punishing Green, so it's like they were going to do the right thing.
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
Yeah I remember Bobby Portis punched Nikola Mirotic at a Bulls practice a few years back and it was always really awkward watching them on the court. You'd see high five or something now and then during games but it was reported they never really spoke after that incident. They were both replaceable guys though - Poole and Draymond are key players on a title contender.
and i never said do nothing, it just didn't need to go public and it likely won't result in any legal issue (IMO) the fact it's public is just a distraction now and it will limit how the team can handle it.
"These things happen. Nobody likes it, we don't condone it, but it happens," Myers said. "Draymond apologized to the team. Jordan was there in the room. ... As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally."
Well handled, Myers.
If two guys are mixing it up and it leads to blows, that's easier to get past. And you could say it's part of sports. But this was closer to an assault.
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
How do you know?
"...As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally"
This isn't the mafia, were things need to be handled in secret to maintain the code.
This is a professional work place, in a multi-billion dollar operation, with professionals earnings 10S of millions of dollars.
Green walked across the court, got in his teammates face, then punched him.
This is simple, fine him and suspend him.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
How do you know?
"...As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally"
He literally said he doesnt expect Draymond to miss any games
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Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
it's a crime the same way a training camp brawl is a crime in football. Do you think those need to "literally" (so overused as a word) go through the legal system?
I don't. but by letter of the law, sure it's a crime. doesn't mean is has to be handled a specific way. literally.
What does Lebron have to do with any of this? The hard on some folks have for him is laughable.
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Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
This ^^^
Terrible comparison. Green walked up to a guy on the sideline and knocked him out. That's a typical training camp brawl?
I eagerly await to see how the Warriors deal with this now that the video is public. Let's see if Curry and Thompson step up as leaders.
Let's remember that Kerr once got decked by Jordan at a Bulls practice and, if I recall, nothing happened. So, that might be why nothing happens here to Green other than an aoplogy.
If he's lucky,it will just be a suspension
he is one of the best players in the NBA
and who knows, maybe the GSW released the video to send a message to the rest of the NBA. you wanna bump up on Dray you best come correct cause that was a quick hook!
and who knows, maybe the GSW released the video to send a message to the rest of the NBA. you wanna bump up on Dray you best come correct cause that was a quick hook!
That's not "grown dudes brawling" - it's assault.
What a dumb take.
I know professional sports have a unique culture, but there has to be a line in the actual workplace.
If Poole ended up with a broken jaw, busted eye socket, concussion, would that change your mind?
It seems pretty clear with that video Green's intent was to do bodily harm to Poole. That seems to fit the definition of a crime.
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
You're one of my favorite posters but I really don't understand this take. From the angle of the video, it's likely the person filming isn't even a staff member.
Bigger crime than knocking someone out cold? We don't know who filmed, but why would we assume that any loyalty is owed to Green or the GSW?
I do agree about your final point about bonds forming in the wake of men fighting, but that said, I don't think this video would necessarily preclude that from happening. It's up to Green and Poole regardless. Many athletes can tune out the media.
And even if Green faces suspension or fines, it still doesn't mean that can't happen.
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Dray's a man's man? Seems like an insecure thug to me.
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i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
This made me chuckle. I do agree, grown men fighting in an adult hockey league sounds like a bunch of guys who peaked early and are still trying to relive the glory days.
It's assault. Draymond is a POS. Didn't surprise me to hear this, considering he kicks players in the balls while playing.
This incident is the same as a training camp fight as a training camp fight is the same as bumping into someone coming off an elevator. In a training camp fight everyone is covered head to toe in pads and they are already getting physical with the other person. Punches being thrown in a scrum aren't going to injure anyone.
Sports is not some sacred realm of human endeavor where the rules of human decency no longer apply. Sucker punching someone who has no chance to defend themselves isn't something that happens in sports. It's something that happens when you work with cowards and lunatics.
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
You're one of my favorite posters but I really don't understand this take. From the angle of the video, it's likely the person filming isn't even a staff member.
Bigger crime than knocking someone out cold? We don't know who filmed, but why would we assume that any loyalty is owed to Green or the GSW?
I do agree about your final point about bonds forming in the wake of men fighting, but that said, I don't think this video would necessarily preclude that from happening. It's up to Green and Poole regardless. Many athletes can tune out the media.
And even if Green faces suspension or fines, it still doesn't mean that can't happen.
Poole pushed him first. He initiated the contact from the video I watched. Green got in his face, but it wasn't violent until Poole pushed him.
People can disagree all they want, I think this is something that should be handled in house and however it is handled in house the only people whose business it is are the people in the organization.
I think anyone who grew up playing sports probably had an altercation with a teammate. I'm not saying to use the "boys will be boys" defense but at some level the team should police themselves. There is a line obviously, but based on my standards this is a fight between two teammates and while action should be taken and it should not be tolerated it doesn't cross the line for me to involve the police, the media, or the public.
I consider selling this to TMZ a slimy, disgusting, immoral act more than what Green did. Green probably has mental health issues and acted spur of the moment emotionally, the person who sold this did so out of greed and selfishness. but my issue mainly because of how these incidents then get subjected to moral pearl clutching my social media gossips.
It's just my opinion and I realize some people disagree and I'm ok with that.
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. Fighting is part of hockey - it typically happens in a controlled manner and it takes two to tango. If both guys aren't dropping the gloves, there isn't a fight.
The "man's man" stuff is fucking cringe. There's nothing manly about assaulting and sucker-punching someone like that. I don't care if he shoved him. Draymond got in his face first.
There's no defense for Green's actions here.
It's like being mad that a criminal was caught doing something illegal by a hidden camera. Not mad at the criminal, mad that they got caught on tape without their knowledge.
Just bizarre.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
You are missing the point.
it's not up to you or me or anyone else what will "solve it".
it is only up to Poole the Warriors and Green.
Whatever they decide is the appropriate action is the appropriate action.
If Poole is ok with the team's decision, who are you to not be ok with it?
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i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
Lolol.
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i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
This made me chuckle. I do agree, grown men fighting in an adult hockey league sounds like a bunch of guys who peaked early and are still trying to relive the glory days.
It's assault. Draymond is a POS. Didn't surprise me to hear this, considering he kicks players in the balls while playing.
Haha! So you don’t think two 50 something’s rolling around on the ice, pulling each others hair and giving each other the business is the same thing as this?
I actually would have loved to see that scene at the rink, would have been hysterical
Poole pushed him first. He initiated the contact from the video I watched. Green got in his face, but it wasn't violent until Poole pushed him.
Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
I have a feeling most of you would feel differently if you were taking a breather at your league hockey game, one of your teammates got your in face, and if you pushed him off, he rocked you cold.
Now let's add these are pros, at practice, at work.
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Poole pushed him first. He initiated the contact from the video I watched. Green got in his face, but it wasn't violent until Poole pushed him.
Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
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my problem is that it wasn't and we've seen time and time again that organizations don't handle these types of things well. I'm not giving the sports league the benefit of the doubt that they will handle it appropriately since it almost never happens.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
You are missing the point.
it's not up to you or me or anyone else what will "solve it".
it is only up to Poole the Warriors and Green.
Whatever they decide is the appropriate action is the appropriate action.
If Poole is ok with the team's decision, who are you to not be ok with it?
I’m not missing your point at all I simply disagree with your stance.
And no, I don’t think what people decide in private is always the appropriate action because we are talking about a league issue now not just a team issue. And it was a league issue before the video leaked because they addressed it right after practice after someone filed a report (before the video). The league didn’t just find out about it from TMZ, they knew beforehand.
Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
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Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
Oh, let's see - he could have walked away??
Just a thought...
Pushing him out of his face doesn't give Green free reign to cold cock him and knock him out.
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Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
How did he start it? Green walked up to him and got in his face.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
Oh, let's see - he could have walked away??
Just a thought...
That is a thought, yes.
Was Green the aggressor? Do you think he was coming over to give Poole a pep-talk or was he looking for a confrontation?
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
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Please stop making sense. It's very unbecoming... ;)
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
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Green absolutely initiated contact. Suggesting Poole started it because of he pushed him off is absolutely mind boggling. I guess some just HAVE to be contrarian
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
Wild stuff.
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He chest bumps him. Poole pushes him away and then Green lunges and lands a haymaker.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
Video Shows Draymond Green Violently Punch Jordan Poole at Warriors Practice - ( New Window )
Green absolutely initiated contact. Suggesting Poole started it because of he pushed him off is absolutely mind boggling. I guess some just HAVE to be contrarian
And watch where Green puts his head and how he gets very tight into Poole's chest. Most of the planet would have done what Poole did - push the gutless, bully out of my space.
It’s an over correction on lack self accountability and morals. I don’t agree with selling something like that for profit but that should never trump what was caught on camera.
That's worse to me than two teammates having a dust-up.
Don't know what to tell you, you can disagree all you want, your opinion is your opinion.
and it's not killing the messenger, TMZ is the messenger - they're scum but it's their job to be scum, this is killing the profiteer who is nothing but selfish.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
You literally said that Poole could have walked away and that he is the one responsible for turning the “verbal altercation into a physical one (absolutely wrong). Sure as hell seems like you’re justifying what Green did to me.
Lol, right? This is the most bonkers stance on the entire thread. If Green hadn't acted completely out of line, there'd be no tape and nothing to sell.
Maybe someone was tired of Green's antics and realized the team wasn't going to discipline him, so they took matters into their own hands. Who knows.
It's fair to feel like it's slimy to capitalize monetarily on selling the footage, but to then decide that's worse than Green cold-cocking his teammate like that is wild.
That's worse to me than two teammates having a dust-up.
Don't know what to tell you, you can disagree all you want, your opinion is your opinion.
and it's not killing the messenger, TMZ is the messenger - they're scum but it's their job to be scum, this is killing the profiteer who is nothing but selfish.
A “dust up”? Holy shitballs….
but, stay with me here now, many things can simultaneously be true....
Green was wrong first and foremost (like I have said all along) and should be reprimanded/punished in some way (like I have said all along)
Poole could have still walked away and avoided the confrontation
Poole's shove escalated the situation
It should all have stayed in house, and if I were in a position of authority with the organization (coach, GM, executive, etc.) while I'd be mad at Green I would never trust the person who sold that video to TMZ ever with anything, that is irredeemable in my eyes.
Poole could have still walked away and avoided the confrontation
Poole did nothing wrong under the circumstances. His reaction was a normal reaction for any reasonable person.
Why you would put any burden on him makes little sense to me.
That's analogous to teammates in a fight at practice. You seem smart.
Poole was standing on the baseline and barely even saw Green approach him. The next thing he knew, he had Green in his face. If it's me in that situation, I'd like to think I'd walk away, but I have a pretty good feeling I'd have pushed him the same way Poole did just as a reflex. Not to initiate a fight, but to literally get him the fuck out of my face.
It's one of those things that happens so fast. We all have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Poole didn't.
I agree on the head-butt. It was like a graze and then Green went into his shoulder.
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Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
Actually, what Poole did was not legally be considered assault (or battery, which would be the appropriate charge for Green) as Green, the aggressor, initiated the contact, before the push. You can legally punch a guy in the face if someone were to initiate unwelcome contact, even if it's something like throwing a glass of water in your face.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
But more weak sauce. GS is indeed going after the 'messenger', harder than they initially went after the aggressor...
GS going hard after leak - ( New Window )
& I can't believe anyone would defend Green's actions.
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Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
Actually, what Poole did was not legally be considered assault (or battery, which would be the appropriate charge for Green) as Green, the aggressor, initiated the contact, before the push. You can legally punch a guy in the face if someone were to initiate unwelcome contact, even if it's something like throwing a glass of water in your face.
Is this true, though? If someone throws a glass of water in your face, you aren't in any immediate danger afterward.
I guess if you tried to use the argument "I feared for my life". Are you free to shoot them dead if they throw the water in your face?
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
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Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
Not sure why you need to mock me personally. Could it be you don’t have a good argument? And again, this isn’t about me, or your misrepresentation of my team sports participation. it’s about the ridiculous assertion that guys fighting in practice is a matter for the police.
Don't want to go off on a tangent here but wrestling at a Big Ten school is pretty damn impressive.
If you share with me that it was Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota or even Wisconsin, I'm even more impressed... ;)
That's well said.
Alas, you didn't learn the real lesson here. Poole caused the issue by pushing Green.
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Slew footing is about as cheap and dangerous as it gets on the ice and the only reasonable response is to fight. Bantams to beer league. Yes.
But my point, which clearly eluded the pearl clutching set here, was that fighting in the context of men’s sporting endeavors is not a matter for the police. That’s all. I don’t think what Dray did was “assault” or a matter for the police. I’m fairly certain all the guys in the NBA agree. It stays within the team. The police? Ffs no.
Do I endorse what Dray did? I do not. Would I call the police if I were Poole? I would not. Would I like to see Dray on the Knicks? Sure. Always liked his game.
Sorry, but this is complete and utter nonsense, and plain wrong. Im guessing you were never in a real locker room, no the YMCA hockey league you’re getting in fights in doesn’t count. I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school. In a violent sport if this ever happened in a practice or locker room no way would it be accepted. At the least the player would be kicked off the team, and it wouldn’t surprise me if the police were called. That was bad, and could’ve caused serious injury.
Assaulting someone just because you’re playing a sport isn’t a matter for the police, ridiculous.
Not sure why you need to mock me personally. Could it be you don’t have a good argument? And again, this isn’t about me, or your misrepresentation of my team sports participation. it’s about the ridiculous assertion that guys fighting in practice is a matter for the police.
I apologize for that, that wasn’t right. Assault is assault, I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be assault just because it happened at a sports practice. What if this happened anywhere in public or any other occupation? It’s not ok there, but anything goes at a sports practice? If you don’t think that’s a good argument I don’t know what else to say. Also it wasn’t guys fighting, it was one guy fighting.
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I wrestled in college at a Big Ten school.
Don't want to go off on a tangent here but wrestling at a Big Ten school is pretty damn impressive.
If you share with me that it was Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota or even Wisconsin, I'm even more impressed... ;)
One of them, before the dynasty started though. But they wouldn’t want me now, well maybe for water boy : )
10-20 games seems reasonable as a suspension since Portis got 8. But that wasn’t on video and wasn’t between primetime names.
Somehow all this makes me appreciate Curry more. He knows he’s good but the way he feeds his ego is so secure it’s ridiculous.
Well that's persecution complex bullshit.
Man, Draymond has serious anger management issues. I've followed him his entire career and he's such an enigma -- on the one hand, you can't imagine him being a typical loathsome teammate/athlete like TO or Antonio Brown, but on the other hand him punching out a teammate isn't even entirely surprising.
Don't want to go off on a tangent here but wrestling at a Big Ten school is pretty damn impressive.
If you share with me that it was Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota or even Wisconsin, I'm even more impressed... ;)
One of them, before the dynasty started though. But they wouldn’t want me now, well maybe for water boy : )
If you mean HV before Cal arrived, that's still pretty awesome.
He's an enigma for sure and possesses both sides simultaneously. It's not that unusual.
He can be incredibly gracious post-game or post-series in both victory and defeat. You hear him talk about Jokic after beating the Nuggets or Kawhi after losing to Toronto and you'd think he's incredibly classy. But then he's also kind of a psychopath.
I apologize for that, that wasn’t right. Assault is assault, I don’t understand why it shouldn’t be assault just because it happened at a sports practice. What if this happened anywhere in public or any other occupation? It’s not ok there, but anything goes at a sports practice? If you don’t think that’s a good argument I don’t know what else to say. Also it wasn’t guys fighting, it was one guy fighting.
Thanks Name - we’re good! And I do see your point - that was a vicious shot and we all know Dray is pretty intense and doesn’t always play fair. I don’t condone throwing punches under any circumstances. My only point is that the cops don’t need to be involved.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
Wild stuff.
Well there's a reason why whistleblower protection laws exist. A lot of people would just rather snitches get stitches.
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Don't want to go off on a tangent here but wrestling at a Big Ten school is pretty damn impressive.
If you share with me that it was Penn St, Ohio St, Michigan, Iowa, Nebraska, Minnesota or even Wisconsin, I'm even more impressed... ;)
One of them, before the dynasty started though. But they wouldn’t want me now, well maybe for water boy : )
If you mean HV before Cal arrived, that's still pretty awesome.
Yep. It’s crazy how far they’ve come recently. Best college program, and the best club with the NLWC.
Yep. It’s crazy how far they’ve come recently. Best college program, and the best club with the NLWC.
Have a great chance again this year with RBY, Starocci, Brooks and Dean back.
Saw Taylor won the Worlds two weeks ago. And apparently Kyle Dake is joining NLWC.
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Yep. It’s crazy how far they’ve come recently. Best college program, and the best club with the NLWC.
Have a great chance again this year with RBY, Starocci, Brooks and Dean back.
Saw Taylor won the Worlds two weeks ago. And apparently Kyle Dake is joining NLWC.
They’ll win it again, the battle is for 2nd place.
Yea, he beat Yazdani again, handled him pretty damn good too. He’s looking the best he ever has. Dake is indeed coming, just hope it doesn’t cause Nolf to leave, he’s one of my favorites.
Have a great chance again this year with RBY, Starocci, Brooks and Dean back.
Saw Taylor won the Worlds two weeks ago. And apparently Kyle Dake is joining NLWC.
They’ll win it again, the battle is for 2nd place.
Yea, he beat Yazdani again, handled him pretty damn good too. He’s looking the best he ever has. Dake is indeed coming, just hope it doesn’t cause Nolf to leave, he’s one of my favorites.
It's crazy to think that 5 years ago, USA Wrestling had Taylor, Dake and Burrough competing at the same weight class.
Interesting take on Nolf. Wonder if he'd be tempted to join Joseph with Sunkist.
Keep an eye on this Facundo kid this year. Could be the next great one...
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@TheRealJRSmith
Ain’t no way! Over a foul in practice… nahhh run me my fade. And y’all talking about it should have never got out is weird! So is it weird that y’all mad at the person for putting it out but yet when cops beat up prisoners in jail we want all the info! Can’t have it both ways.
I think they ought to spend effort on both to be honest. I'm not full PJ on this and don't think reporting the crime is worse than the crime, but it IS worth pursuing who filmed it and why they went to TMZ with it.
No, these things rarely if ever happen. Unless you're Green. And the way you solve problems is punching college kids, kicking your opponents in the dick, and knocking your teammate out at practice.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
Draymond Green seems like the kind of guy destined to be on the receiving end of something very violent because he does the exact wrong thing given the circumstances. Maybe the org can use this as an opportunity to check him, and not enable him.
Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
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Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
Haha, for some reason the Warriors leaking this and then stating they are going to investigate to find out who leaked it reminds me of OJ proclaiming he’s gonna help look for the killer…
+1000%
I'm of the mind that GS knew EXACTLY what this was from the beginning. Now they're spinning it like they initially thought it was just a 'love tap jab' and they're suddenly horrified to find out the extent of it. In this day and age, a multi billion dollar business like the GS Warriors doesn't know what happens in their practice? They probably have at least four 8K HD cameras filming everything from each angle of the court.
Like the NFL and Ravens years ago (I am NOT comparing the two incidents however), GS probably thought they could get away with one ("Poole wasn't 'hurt', nothing to see here, move along..."). Until the casino released that Ray Rice elevator video ("Damn the snitch who released the vid!" HUH?!), then all hell broke loose. And now GS has to change it's story/position and up the ante as well.
It was an assault. Green had bad intentions going in, while Poole did not expect to just get punched out like that in practice. If they were in the octagon with their dukes up, sure, fair game. But not in a scrimmage. Just bad optics all around for GS.
GS was not going to suspend Green. Steph Curry should step up now and admonish Green's actions.
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Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
I've entertained that same conspiracy theory myself. The Warriors are going to have to deal with contracts for People, Wiggins, and Green. Of the 3, Green makes the least sense to pay a ton of money to despite his immense value to the team. But if they don't give him a contract it's a bad look.
But maybe not a very bad look anymore.
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Two reasons someone sent that video to TMZ Sports. Either someone in the org is sick of management protecting a psychopath or some low level invitee to practice made a few bucks.
I heard a radio show host suggest - and this is fairly diabolical - that the Warriors leaked the video to show their fan base just how deranged Green is, and that's why they won't offer him a huge contract extension...
I know this likely won't happen, but I'd like to see the real leader of that team, Curry, step-up and admonish Green publicly.
This jackass can't be shamed enough.
I've entertained that same conspiracy theory myself. The Warriors are going to have to deal with contracts for People, Wiggins, and Green. Of the 3, Green makes the least sense to pay a ton of money to despite his immense value to the team. But if they don't give him a contract it's a bad look.
But maybe not a very bad look anymore.
They are going to have to consider trading him if they aren’t going to give him a contract. A pissed off and butt hurt Draymond can tear a team apart, I’d imagine. Hell, it looks like it’s already happening…
And aside from his intangibles, Green is simply not a high value player. He's not a player you can paying 30M+ a year in his mid 30s. Not to mention the 160M+ luxury tax GSW is living in each year.
There's an easy exit here if they want it.
Curry is the shot caller. They need his blessing to move Green.
The only way Green gets traded is if Curry says enough is enough. Because no matter how much of a leader and all that Green is -- Steph is the best player in the world and you have to keep him happy.
They are going to have to consider trading him if they aren’t going to give him a contract. A pissed off and butt hurt Draymond can tear a team apart, I’d imagine. Hell, it looks like it’s already happening…
I guess it's fitting that a player whose contributions are so unique also can tear a team apart in such a unique way. He's no typical bad-for-chemistry diva like TO or Antonio Brown. Instead he's a team leader and wildly respected in the organization and locker room, while also being a wild card who might eventually punch a guy for little provocation.
Including both Steph and Kerr, unless they really didn't know the extent of it (which I find incredulous, both being a few feet away from it all). It's understandable, they both want more rings. But no less detestable. Kerr knows this routine. He lived through the same thing in his playing days. As long as they kept winning, the Bulls tolerated and kept enabling the Worm. But once he was no longer worth the trouble, it was over. I suspect GS will still try to keep it going. They're the defending champs, and they'll still need the brute to survive in the playoffs.
It leaked because you punched your teammate in the face.
Let's say that again slowly. Punched your teammate in the face.
It leaked because you punched your teammate in the face.
Let's say that again slowly. Punched your teammate in the face.
He didn't say that all the good stuff he does in practice leaks. He just said practice stuff doesn't usually leak.
He's right about that. Again I'm not full-on PJ "the leak is worse than the punch," but there is something ghoulish about entities like TMZ paying people off for stuff like this, and no one can convince me their motives are virtuous or something.
to clarify:
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What Green did was wrong. It was never in debate in my posts. Once I saw the angle Gary posted I even removed any blame I held for Poole pushing him. Green should be punished. I don't know what the appropriate punishment is, but that's for the Warriors and Poole to decide. If Poole is ok with it, then it doesn't really matter if any of you/us are ok with it.
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My point about the leak and it being worse than the punch is simple. As a coach or leader in the organization I can deal with the punch. I wouldn't like it happened but things like this happen with sports teams. The job is to compete, it gets heated, people's personalities and temperaments and stress level are all different and tempers flare for whatever reason. And as a coach or leader in the organization I feel like it's my job to manage the fall out when something like this happens. You cannot compare professional sports to "places of employment" like some of you try. It's just different.
So, when the leak happened it is problematic for several reasons:
1. Most importantly as a coach or leader in the organization I can no longer handle it the way I saw fit, I'm now beholden to handle it to appease the public or the league or whoever. This neuters me as a leader to an extent. And the best thing to come out of an incident like this is the recovery, it's where leaders shine. Using a negative incident or event to bring the team together to strengthen the bond and unify or galvanize toward a common goal.
2. The punch was an emotional heat of the moment lapse in judgment. The leak was a calculated betrayal by someone who I will assume had the trust of people in the organization. Without knowing who did it, you can't trust anyone or you need to be leery of everyone. and if you do find out you can never trust that person again in any capacity.
3. the leaker most likely did it for personal gain, which is not the altruistic motive some of you try to claim. if it was truly to get the video out there are much better avenues that are less tabloid-ish than TMZ. It's like selling your news story to the Enquirer because it needs to be told.
Anyway, some people won't agree and that's ok, not everyone needs to agree on every topic, but as a coach at a very low level I can tell you there is nothing coaches hate more than distractions and the leak turned this from an incident to a massive distraction.
That is why for me, the leak is worse than the punch. And I get the Warriors reason for pursuing the leaker. It's not like someone of you claim. "they don't care about what Green did they only want to find the leaker" Two things can simultaneously be true for the Warriors. They could not like what Green did and want to punish him *and* feel like the leak was an unforgivable betrayal and want to know the identity of the person who sold it.