and shame on the Warriors for not taking action. The only part of this that's amazing is that in the year 2022 organizations operate like things aren't easily caught on camera.
The Warriors coming out and suspending Green immediately and before this leaked would have been an obvious, smart move. They look awful here.
but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Warriors ownership needs to take a strong stance on this.
I get in the heat of the game stuff if tempers boil over. But Green came across the practice court, not involved in the action, and assaulted his teammate.
If any of this did that at work, we'd be arrested.
looks like he's facing a potentially broken jaw but lets say he got by without major damage - how do you even go back to work like nothing happened? 1 of them to go and not sure how you even handle that. A bit easier in other sports with bigger rosters but this seems like a much bigger deal for basketball.
but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
looks like he's facing a potentially broken jaw but lets say he got by without major damage - how do you even go back to work like nothing happened? 1 of them to go and not sure how you even handle that. A bit easier in other sports with bigger rosters but this seems like a much bigger deal for basketball.
Yeah I remember Bobby Portis punched Nikola Mirotic at a Bulls practice a few years back and it was always really awkward watching them on the court. You'd see high five or something now and then during games but it was reported they never really spoke after that incident. They were both replaceable guys though - Poole and Draymond are key players on a title contender.
I don't necessarily like it either but it definitely isn't the biggest issue in this ordeal. The "crime" is, first and foremost, followed by the lack of action.
and i never said do nothing, it just didn't need to go public and it likely won't result in any legal issue (IMO) the fact it's public is just a distraction now and it will limit how the team can handle it.
I think another explanation on how the video was leaked, is Poole's agent leaked it because his client's employer let him get freaking assaulted at work, and the repercussions were Green apologized to the team.
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Green subsequently left the training facilities and is not expected back until Saturday. The Warriors are still in the process of disciplining Green, but Myers said he does not expect him to miss any games due to punishment.
"These things happen. Nobody likes it, we don't condone it, but it happens," Myers said. "Draymond apologized to the team. Jordan was there in the room. ... As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally."
That was a real punch landed. And it's not like they were scrapping and things escalated. That was just talking and a legit shot. That is a big problem for GSW.
If two guys are mixing it up and it leads to blows, that's easier to get past. And you could say it's part of sports. But this was closer to an assault.
I suspect that if this was caught on a security camera they would have done something because there's no getting around that. They tried hiding this (it seems) and lost, which is pretty sad and a slap in the face for all the other employees that work for their organization.
but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
How do you know?
"...As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally"
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: It sucks that this happened between teammates
but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
How do you know?
"...As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally"
He literally said he doesnt expect Draymond to miss any games
Yeah I have zero issue whatsoever with this being leaked
PJ that's a crazy take. I too am pretty confident Poole's representation made sure this got out there. Thing is if this happened to you or I and our company did nothing like the Warriors did, we would have options. We could resign and sue the crap out of them and file criminal charges. If Poole does that it's career suicide. He's trapped there right now. So his representation played the one card they had, putting this out there. It pressures the Warriors to trade him if that's what he wants. You're more than welcome to behave like this with your company, but you also get to face the music over it if there is graphic evidence left behind. Green is an unstable lunatic and the league should realize that sooner or later he's gonna pull this shit in an actual game and they are going to have a real PR meltdown on their hands. Punks like Green are more apt to lose it the older they get as their skills diminish and their frustration grows.
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Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
it's a crime the same way a training camp brawl is a crime in football. Do you think those need to "literally" (so overused as a word) go through the legal system?
I don't. but by letter of the law, sure it's a crime. doesn't mean is has to be handled a specific way. literally.
DG for punching him like that, those who think he’s just a punk don’t know much about DG. He was just at MSU for an event (their HOF maybe) and the way he talked about Izzo, and his life was something. He may be a lot of things (bad tempered, hyper competitive, impulsive) but what he’s not is stupid or as simple as just a punk.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
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I get giving athletes a lot of leeway for physical altercations. Their job is physical, competitive, and intense. But he just walked up to Poole and clocked him. That was not a boil over from being competitive. That was an assault. (And I like Draymond).
I couldn't be happier that this video was leaked. Good for whomever at TMZ for making the deal.
I eagerly await to see how the Warriors deal with this now that the video is public. Let's see if Curry and Thompson step up as leaders.
Let's remember that Kerr once got decked by Jordan at a Bulls practice and, if I recall, nothing happened. So, that might be why nothing happens here to Green other than an aoplogy.
i mean, i guess, technically. but, grown dudes brawling like that? i certainly don't think this is a matter for the police. frankly, if more douche bag dudes were getting their due every now and again i think this world would be a better place. call the police? nah...
and who knows, maybe the GSW released the video to send a message to the rest of the NBA. you wanna bump up on Dray you best come correct cause that was a quick hook!
i mean, i guess, technically. but, grown dudes brawling like that? i certainly don't think this is a matter for the police. frankly, if more douche bag dudes were getting their due every now and again i think this world would be a better place. call the police? nah...
and who knows, maybe the GSW released the video to send a message to the rest of the NBA. you wanna bump up on Dray you best come correct cause that was a quick hook!
i mean, i guess, technically. but, grown dudes brawling like that? i certainly don't think this is a matter for the police. frankly, if more douche bag dudes were getting their due every now and again i think this world would be a better place. call the police? nah...
I know professional sports have a unique culture, but there has to be a line in the actual workplace.
If Poole ended up with a broken jaw, busted eye socket, concussion, would that change your mind?
It seems pretty clear with that video Green's intent was to do bodily harm to Poole. That seems to fit the definition of a crime.
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
Poole was just standing there. If they were actually mixing it up and then fists started flying, I think the reaction would be different. Mine would for sure.
The mental gymnastics some fans got through to defend Green are weird.
He's an above average player, who is a complete scum bag.
Crazy part the warriors came out yesterday and said there would be no suspension..
Guaranteed Poole and his agent leaked this to TMZ
The Warriors coming out and suspending Green immediately and before this leaked would have been an obvious, smart move. They look awful here.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
Can nothing stay private anymore?
You’re more bothered by it leaking to the media?
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
I get in the heat of the game stuff if tempers boil over. But Green came across the practice court, not involved in the action, and assaulted his teammate.
If any of this did that at work, we'd be arrested.
He gets leveled by a punch in practice by one of the so called leaders of the team.
The most logical reactions are call the police, make a stink with ownership, or make it public so the latter two things can happen.
The team already took their side by not punishing Green, so it's like they were going to do the right thing.
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
Yeah I remember Bobby Portis punched Nikola Mirotic at a Bulls practice a few years back and it was always really awkward watching them on the court. You'd see high five or something now and then during games but it was reported they never really spoke after that incident. They were both replaceable guys though - Poole and Draymond are key players on a title contender.
and i never said do nothing, it just didn't need to go public and it likely won't result in any legal issue (IMO) the fact it's public is just a distraction now and it will limit how the team can handle it.
"These things happen. Nobody likes it, we don't condone it, but it happens," Myers said. "Draymond apologized to the team. Jordan was there in the room. ... As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally."
Well handled, Myers.
If two guys are mixing it up and it leads to blows, that's easier to get past. And you could say it's part of sports. But this was closer to an assault.
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
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In comment 15849491 pjcas18 said:
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
How do you know?
"...As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally"
This isn't the mafia, were things need to be handled in secret to maintain the code.
This is a professional work place, in a multi-billion dollar operation, with professionals earnings 10S of millions of dollars.
Green walked across the court, got in his teammates face, then punched him.
This is simple, fine him and suspend him.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
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In comment 15849491 pjcas18 said:
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
But it wasnt handled in house, the warriors decided to do nothing
How do you know?
"...As far as any suspension, punishment, fine, we will handle that internally"
He literally said he doesnt expect Draymond to miss any games
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Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
it's a crime the same way a training camp brawl is a crime in football. Do you think those need to "literally" (so overused as a word) go through the legal system?
I don't. but by letter of the law, sure it's a crime. doesn't mean is has to be handled a specific way. literally.
What does Lebron have to do with any of this? The hard on some folks have for him is laughable.
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Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
This is plainly contradictory. If it's a crime, it's literally illegal for the team to try to handle it in house. It sounds from most of your posts that you don't actually think it's a crime, but if you do, then it's frankly a necessity that video of it be released (though there was certainly no need to release it to anyone but law enforcement, at least unless law enforcement chose to do nothing).
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Terrible comparison. Green walked up to a guy on the sideline and knocked him out. That's a typical training camp brawl?
I eagerly await to see how the Warriors deal with this now that the video is public. Let's see if Curry and Thompson step up as leaders.
Let's remember that Kerr once got decked by Jordan at a Bulls practice and, if I recall, nothing happened. So, that might be why nothing happens here to Green other than an aoplogy.
If he's lucky,it will just be a suspension
he is one of the best players in the NBA
and who knows, maybe the GSW released the video to send a message to the rest of the NBA. you wanna bump up on Dray you best come correct cause that was a quick hook!
and who knows, maybe the GSW released the video to send a message to the rest of the NBA. you wanna bump up on Dray you best come correct cause that was a quick hook!
That's not "grown dudes brawling" - it's assault.
What a dumb take.
I know professional sports have a unique culture, but there has to be a line in the actual workplace.
If Poole ended up with a broken jaw, busted eye socket, concussion, would that change your mind?
It seems pretty clear with that video Green's intent was to do bodily harm to Poole. That seems to fit the definition of a crime.
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?