but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
You're one of my favorite posters but I really don't understand this take. From the angle of the video, it's likely the person filming isn't even a staff member.
Bigger crime than knocking someone out cold? We don't know who filmed, but why would we assume that any loyalty is owed to Green or the GSW?
I do agree about your final point about bonds forming in the wake of men fighting, but that said, I don't think this video would necessarily preclude that from happening. It's up to Green and Poole regardless. Many athletes can tune out the media.
And even if Green faces suspension or fines, it still doesn't mean that can't happen.
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Dray's a man's man? Seems like an insecure thug to me.
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
This made me chuckle. I do agree, grown men fighting in an adult hockey league sounds like a bunch of guys who peaked early and are still trying to relive the glory days.
It's assault. Draymond is a POS. Didn't surprise me to hear this, considering he kicks players in the balls while playing.
to a coworker, would it be ok for them to handle that "in-house?"
This incident is the same as a training camp fight as a training camp fight is the same as bumping into someone coming off an elevator. In a training camp fight everyone is covered head to toe in pads and they are already getting physical with the other person. Punches being thrown in a scrum aren't going to injure anyone.
Sports is not some sacred realm of human endeavor where the rules of human decency no longer apply. Sucker punching someone who has no chance to defend themselves isn't something that happens in sports. It's something that happens when you work with cowards and lunatics.
but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
You're one of my favorite posters but I really don't understand this take. From the angle of the video, it's likely the person filming isn't even a staff member.
Bigger crime than knocking someone out cold? We don't know who filmed, but why would we assume that any loyalty is owed to Green or the GSW?
I do agree about your final point about bonds forming in the wake of men fighting, but that said, I don't think this video would necessarily preclude that from happening. It's up to Green and Poole regardless. Many athletes can tune out the media.
And even if Green faces suspension or fines, it still doesn't mean that can't happen.
Poole pushed him first. He initiated the contact from the video I watched. Green got in his face, but it wasn't violent until Poole pushed him.
People can disagree all they want, I think this is something that should be handled in house and however it is handled in house the only people whose business it is are the people in the organization.
I think anyone who grew up playing sports probably had an altercation with a teammate. I'm not saying to use the "boys will be boys" defense but at some level the team should police themselves. There is a line obviously, but based on my standards this is a fight between two teammates and while action should be taken and it should not be tolerated it doesn't cross the line for me to involve the police, the media, or the public.
I consider selling this to TMZ a slimy, disgusting, immoral act more than what Green did. Green probably has mental health issues and acted spur of the moment emotionally, the person who sold this did so out of greed and selfishness. but my issue mainly because of how these incidents then get subjected to moral pearl clutching my social media gossips.
It's just my opinion and I realize some people disagree and I'm ok with that.
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. Fighting is part of hockey - it typically happens in a controlled manner and it takes two to tango. If both guys aren't dropping the gloves, there isn't a fight.
The "man's man" stuff is fucking cringe. There's nothing manly about assaulting and sucker-punching someone like that. I don't care if he shoved him. Draymond got in his face first.
Also absolutely insane to me that someone could be more upset that the video got out than the act itself.
It's like being mad that a criminal was caught doing something illegal by a hidden camera. Not mad at the criminal, mad that they got caught on tape without their knowledge.
and this notion that the Warriors GM said they will take care of it internally is insulting unless they suspend without pay for like half the season. SIlver needs to get involved immediately. The dude committed assault at a work facility.
my problem is that it wasn't and we've seen time and time again that organizations don't handle these types of things well. I'm not giving the sports league the benefit of the doubt that they will handle it appropriately since it almost never happens.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
and this notion that the Warriors GM said they will take care of it internally is insulting unless they suspend without pay for like half the season. SIlver needs to get involved immediately. The dude committed assault at a work facility.
my problem is that it wasn't and we've seen time and time again that organizations don't handle these types of things well. I'm not giving the sports league the benefit of the doubt that they will handle it appropriately since it almost never happens.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
You are missing the point.
it's not up to you or me or anyone else what will "solve it".
it is only up to Poole the Warriors and Green.
Whatever they decide is the appropriate action is the appropriate action.
If Poole is ok with the team's decision, who are you to not be ok with it?
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
This made me chuckle. I do agree, grown men fighting in an adult hockey league sounds like a bunch of guys who peaked early and are still trying to relive the glory days.
It's assault. Draymond is a POS. Didn't surprise me to hear this, considering he kicks players in the balls while playing.
Haha! So you don’t think two 50 something’s rolling around on the ice, pulling each others hair and giving each other the business is the same thing as this?
I actually would have loved to see that scene at the rink, would have been hysterical
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The seniors hockey league metaphor would only apply if they were actually in the middle of a play.
I have a feeling most of you would feel differently if you were taking a breather at your league hockey game, one of your teammates got your in face, and if you pushed him off, he rocked you cold.
Now let's add these are pros, at practice, at work.
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my problem is that it wasn't and we've seen time and time again that organizations don't handle these types of things well. I'm not giving the sports league the benefit of the doubt that they will handle it appropriately since it almost never happens.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
You are missing the point.
it's not up to you or me or anyone else what will "solve it".
it is only up to Poole the Warriors and Green.
Whatever they decide is the appropriate action is the appropriate action.
If Poole is ok with the team's decision, who are you to not be ok with it?
I’m not missing your point at all I simply disagree with your stance.
And no, I don’t think what people decide in private is always the appropriate action because we are talking about a league issue now not just a team issue. And it was a league issue before the video leaked because they addressed it right after practice after someone filed a report (before the video). The league didn’t just find out about it from TMZ, they knew beforehand.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
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I would understand somewhat if Poole had sought out Green first and got in his face or tried to throw a punch, but that's not what happened. Green got right up in his face while he was standing on the baseline. What is he supposed to do? Most people would naturally react that way and push him off.
Pushing him out of his face doesn't give Green free reign to cold cock him and knock him out.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Draymond Green suspended for a long time
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
How did he start it? Green walked up to him and got in his face.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
He chest bumps him. Poole pushes him away and then Green lunges and lands a haymaker.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
RE: Green walks over to Poole and initiates contact
He chest bumps him. Poole pushes him away and then Green lunges and lands a haymaker.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
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Please stop making sense. It's very unbecoming... ;)
RE: Green walks over to Poole and initiates contact
He chest bumps him. Poole pushes him away and then Green lunges and lands a haymaker.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
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Green absolutely initiated contact. Suggesting Poole started it because of he pushed him off is absolutely mind boggling. I guess some just HAVE to be contrarian
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
Wild stuff.
how is videotaping someone assaulting somebody else
He chest bumps him. Poole pushes him away and then Green lunges and lands a haymaker.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
Video Shows Draymond Green Violently Punch Jordan Poole at Warriors Practice - ( New Window )
Green absolutely initiated contact. Suggesting Poole started it because of he pushed him off is absolutely mind boggling. I guess some just HAVE to be contrarian
And watch where Green puts his head and how he gets very tight into Poole's chest. Most of the planet would have done what Poole did - push the gutless, bully out of my space.
RE: how is videotaping someone assaulting somebody else
and releasing the video worse than actually being the person assaulting somebody? Talk about killing the messenger
It’s an over correction on lack self accountability and morals. I don’t agree with selling something like that for profit but that should never trump what was caught on camera.
I made is that the video was sold to TMZ, not "released" so someone, presumptively in the inner circle of the team or paid to cover them, could profit off it.
That's worse to me than two teammates having a dust-up.
Don't know what to tell you, you can disagree all you want, your opinion is your opinion.
and it's not killing the messenger, TMZ is the messenger - they're scum but it's their job to be scum, this is killing the profiteer who is nothing but selfish.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
You literally said that Poole could have walked away and that he is the one responsible for turning the “verbal altercation into a physical one (absolutely wrong). Sure as hell seems like you’re justifying what Green did to me.
RE: how is videotaping someone assaulting somebody else
and releasing the video worse than actually being the person assaulting somebody? Talk about killing the messenger
Lol, right? This is the most bonkers stance on the entire thread. If Green hadn't acted completely out of line, there'd be no tape and nothing to sell.
Maybe someone was tired of Green's antics and realized the team wasn't going to discipline him, so they took matters into their own hands. Who knows.
It's fair to feel like it's slimy to capitalize monetarily on selling the footage, but to then decide that's worse than Green cold-cocking his teammate like that is wild.
I made is that the video was sold to TMZ, not "released" so someone, presumptively in the inner circle of the team or paid to cover them, could profit off it.
That's worse to me than two teammates having a dust-up.
Don't know what to tell you, you can disagree all you want, your opinion is your opinion.
and it's not killing the messenger, TMZ is the messenger - they're scum but it's their job to be scum, this is killing the profiteer who is nothing but selfish.
the view Gary posted changes my tune a little, Green did nudge him, however, Poole still could have walked away to avoid conflict or the situation getting worse.
but, stay with me here now, many things can simultaneously be true....
Green was wrong first and foremost (like I have said all along) and should be reprimanded/punished in some way (like I have said all along)
Poole could have still walked away and avoided the confrontation
Poole's shove escalated the situation
It should all have stayed in house, and if I were in a position of authority with the organization (coach, GM, executive, etc.) while I'd be mad at Green I would never trust the person who sold that video to TMZ ever with anything, that is irredeemable in my eyes.
Curious about PJs thoughts on the Ray Rice video leak
It's easy for any of us to say he could/should have just walked away. In the heat of a moment like that, it's very hard to think clearly, calmly, and rationally.
Poole was standing on the baseline and barely even saw Green approach him. The next thing he knew, he had Green in his face. If it's me in that situation, I'd like to think I'd walk away, but I have a pretty good feeling I'd have pushed him the same way Poole did just as a reflex. Not to initiate a fight, but to literally get him the fuck out of my face.
It's one of those things that happens so fast. We all have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Poole didn't.
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
You're one of my favorite posters but I really don't understand this take. From the angle of the video, it's likely the person filming isn't even a staff member.
Bigger crime than knocking someone out cold? We don't know who filmed, but why would we assume that any loyalty is owed to Green or the GSW?
I do agree about your final point about bonds forming in the wake of men fighting, but that said, I don't think this video would necessarily preclude that from happening. It's up to Green and Poole regardless. Many athletes can tune out the media.
And even if Green faces suspension or fines, it still doesn't mean that can't happen.
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Dray's a man's man? Seems like an insecure thug to me.
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i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
This made me chuckle. I do agree, grown men fighting in an adult hockey league sounds like a bunch of guys who peaked early and are still trying to relive the glory days.
It's assault. Draymond is a POS. Didn't surprise me to hear this, considering he kicks players in the balls while playing.
This incident is the same as a training camp fight as a training camp fight is the same as bumping into someone coming off an elevator. In a training camp fight everyone is covered head to toe in pads and they are already getting physical with the other person. Punches being thrown in a scrum aren't going to injure anyone.
Sports is not some sacred realm of human endeavor where the rules of human decency no longer apply. Sucker punching someone who has no chance to defend themselves isn't something that happens in sports. It's something that happens when you work with cowards and lunatics.
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but personally (with zero investment here) I'm more bothered it was leaked to the media.
Can nothing stay private anymore?
While I understand that sentiment we are talking about a crime basically. You'd prefer that this wasn't caught on camera and nothing done about it? The warriors knew about it and weren't going to do anything - they made their bed.
Sure it's a crime, and I'm not dismissing it, but it should be handled in house.
Someone in that arena filmed that and thought about lining their own pockets to profit off the dysfunction of the team.
That, IMO, is a worse "crime".
Brothers, teammates, friends, sometimes get emotional and it sometimes results in getting physical. Their (the collective individual and organizational) response and reaction to those incidents often creates an unbreakable bond (or the reverse), but by going public things can no longer play out the way the leaders there dictate.
And I don't think that's a good thing.
You're one of my favorite posters but I really don't understand this take. From the angle of the video, it's likely the person filming isn't even a staff member.
Bigger crime than knocking someone out cold? We don't know who filmed, but why would we assume that any loyalty is owed to Green or the GSW?
I do agree about your final point about bonds forming in the wake of men fighting, but that said, I don't think this video would necessarily preclude that from happening. It's up to Green and Poole regardless. Many athletes can tune out the media.
And even if Green faces suspension or fines, it still doesn't mean that can't happen.
Poole pushed him first. He initiated the contact from the video I watched. Green got in his face, but it wasn't violent until Poole pushed him.
People can disagree all they want, I think this is something that should be handled in house and however it is handled in house the only people whose business it is are the people in the organization.
I think anyone who grew up playing sports probably had an altercation with a teammate. I'm not saying to use the "boys will be boys" defense but at some level the team should police themselves. There is a line obviously, but based on my standards this is a fight between two teammates and while action should be taken and it should not be tolerated it doesn't cross the line for me to involve the police, the media, or the public.
I consider selling this to TMZ a slimy, disgusting, immoral act more than what Green did. Green probably has mental health issues and acted spur of the moment emotionally, the person who sold this did so out of greed and selfishness. but my issue mainly because of how these incidents then get subjected to moral pearl clutching my social media gossips.
It's just my opinion and I realize some people disagree and I'm ok with that.
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
You're comparing apples to oranges here. Fighting is part of hockey - it typically happens in a controlled manner and it takes two to tango. If both guys aren't dropping the gloves, there isn't a fight.
The "man's man" stuff is fucking cringe. There's nothing manly about assaulting and sucker-punching someone like that. I don't care if he shoved him. Draymond got in his face first.
There's no defense for Green's actions here.
It's like being mad that a criminal was caught doing something illegal by a hidden camera. Not mad at the criminal, mad that they got caught on tape without their knowledge.
Just bizarre.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
You are missing the point.
it's not up to you or me or anyone else what will "solve it".
it is only up to Poole the Warriors and Green.
Whatever they decide is the appropriate action is the appropriate action.
If Poole is ok with the team's decision, who are you to not be ok with it?
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i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
Lolol.
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i got slew footed last week in mens league so i skated over to the guy we fought. was that an "assault"? did we need to file a police report? am i a criminal?
and yeah, i don't have the knock out punch that Dray does, but it was a fair fight. to me, and maybe this is because i grew up playing sports, things get heated and dudes fight at practice. Dray a man's man - you push him off your grill and he's gonna come back at you - pretty quick too by the looks of that video.
like i say, i don't understand some of the pearl clutching here and i'm not really worried about the poor children. dudes gonna beef and that's not a matter for the police.
Lmao you fight guys in adult league hockey? Charge any mounds in beer league softball?
This made me chuckle. I do agree, grown men fighting in an adult hockey league sounds like a bunch of guys who peaked early and are still trying to relive the glory days.
It's assault. Draymond is a POS. Didn't surprise me to hear this, considering he kicks players in the balls while playing.
Haha! So you don’t think two 50 something’s rolling around on the ice, pulling each others hair and giving each other the business is the same thing as this?
I actually would have loved to see that scene at the rink, would have been hysterical
Poole pushed him first. He initiated the contact from the video I watched. Green got in his face, but it wasn't violent until Poole pushed him.
Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
I have a feeling most of you would feel differently if you were taking a breather at your league hockey game, one of your teammates got your in face, and if you pushed him off, he rocked you cold.
Now let's add these are pros, at practice, at work.
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Poole pushed him first. He initiated the contact from the video I watched. Green got in his face, but it wasn't violent until Poole pushed him.
Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
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my problem is that it wasn't and we've seen time and time again that organizations don't handle these types of things well. I'm not giving the sports league the benefit of the doubt that they will handle it appropriately since it almost never happens.
If the Warriors think that what happened yesterday is something that an apology and time will solve (the GM's words, not mine) than the NBA needs to step in because that's a ridiculous precedence to set.
As for the guy selling the video for money - slimy move, but what can actually be done about that?
You are missing the point.
it's not up to you or me or anyone else what will "solve it".
it is only up to Poole the Warriors and Green.
Whatever they decide is the appropriate action is the appropriate action.
If Poole is ok with the team's decision, who are you to not be ok with it?
I’m not missing your point at all I simply disagree with your stance.
And no, I don’t think what people decide in private is always the appropriate action because we are talking about a league issue now not just a team issue. And it was a league issue before the video leaked because they addressed it right after practice after someone filed a report (before the video). The league didn’t just find out about it from TMZ, they knew beforehand.
Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
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Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
Oh, let's see - he could have walked away??
Just a thought...
Pushing him out of his face doesn't give Green free reign to cold cock him and knock him out.
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Technically, Poole committed assault as well.
Where? Pushing a larger man away who aggressively got into his space?
If that's what you are referring to, please tell me what Poole should have done to not commit "assault"?
He did what most normal human being would do. Push the jerkoff away.
Yes, pushing someone is considered assault. You don't need to put it in quotes, what Poole did falls into the legal definition of assault.
I don't give a shit what Poole should or shouldn't have done to get Green away from him, but he initiated physical contact. Not saying he deserved to get clocked in the face by Green, but he started it.
How did he start it? Green walked up to him and got in his face.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
Oh, let's see - he could have walked away??
Just a thought...
That is a thought, yes.
Was Green the aggressor? Do you think he was coming over to give Poole a pep-talk or was he looking for a confrontation?
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
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Please stop making sense. It's very unbecoming... ;)
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
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Green absolutely initiated contact. Suggesting Poole started it because of he pushed him off is absolutely mind boggling. I guess some just HAVE to be contrarian
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
Wild stuff.
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He chest bumps him. Poole pushes him away and then Green lunges and lands a haymaker.
It's a little easier to see in the YouTube video. It's clear that Poole didn't even see him walk over. Poole is focused on practice until he's bumped and startled.
Video Shows Draymond Green Violently Punch Jordan Poole at Warriors Practice - ( New Window )
Green absolutely initiated contact. Suggesting Poole started it because of he pushed him off is absolutely mind boggling. I guess some just HAVE to be contrarian
And watch where Green puts his head and how he gets very tight into Poole's chest. Most of the planet would have done what Poole did - push the gutless, bully out of my space.
It’s an over correction on lack self accountability and morals. I don’t agree with selling something like that for profit but that should never trump what was caught on camera.
That's worse to me than two teammates having a dust-up.
Don't know what to tell you, you can disagree all you want, your opinion is your opinion.
and it's not killing the messenger, TMZ is the messenger - they're scum but it's their job to be scum, this is killing the profiteer who is nothing but selfish.
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Green got into Poole's space and subtly may have head butted him. What was Poole supposed to do? Hug Green and thank him for his kindness.
lol, ok, we're done here.
Why is that funny? I can't reconcile why someone would find it unreasonable for anyone in Poole's situation to push away an aggressor like Green.
I am genuinely curious what a reasonable response from Poole should have been instead.
It seriously never occurred to you that Poole could have walked away?
It's so beyond comprehension to you that you are "genuinely curious" as to any possible options Poole had other than pushing Green and turning a verbal confrontation into a physical one?
you have to be trolling here.
There are verbal disagreements that lead to some pushing and shoving in almost every single sporting event. I guess I never realized that there are people out there that think a right hook to the jaw to knock a guy out is a perfectly acceptable and appropriate response to the shove. Learn something new every day!
Now you are making shit up, so be careful patting yourself on the back for learning new things.
I never said anything Green did was ok.
I said he should be reprimanded but I said it should be handled in house and the person who recorded and sold the video is worse than either of these two in my eyes.
You literally said that Poole could have walked away and that he is the one responsible for turning the “verbal altercation into a physical one (absolutely wrong). Sure as hell seems like you’re justifying what Green did to me.
Lol, right? This is the most bonkers stance on the entire thread. If Green hadn't acted completely out of line, there'd be no tape and nothing to sell.
Maybe someone was tired of Green's antics and realized the team wasn't going to discipline him, so they took matters into their own hands. Who knows.
It's fair to feel like it's slimy to capitalize monetarily on selling the footage, but to then decide that's worse than Green cold-cocking his teammate like that is wild.
That's worse to me than two teammates having a dust-up.
Don't know what to tell you, you can disagree all you want, your opinion is your opinion.
and it's not killing the messenger, TMZ is the messenger - they're scum but it's their job to be scum, this is killing the profiteer who is nothing but selfish.
A “dust up”? Holy shitballs….
but, stay with me here now, many things can simultaneously be true....
Green was wrong first and foremost (like I have said all along) and should be reprimanded/punished in some way (like I have said all along)
Poole could have still walked away and avoided the confrontation
Poole's shove escalated the situation
It should all have stayed in house, and if I were in a position of authority with the organization (coach, GM, executive, etc.) while I'd be mad at Green I would never trust the person who sold that video to TMZ ever with anything, that is irredeemable in my eyes.
Poole could have still walked away and avoided the confrontation
Poole did nothing wrong under the circumstances. His reaction was a normal reaction for any reasonable person.
Why you would put any burden on him makes little sense to me.
That's analogous to teammates in a fight at practice. You seem smart.
Poole was standing on the baseline and barely even saw Green approach him. The next thing he knew, he had Green in his face. If it's me in that situation, I'd like to think I'd walk away, but I have a pretty good feeling I'd have pushed him the same way Poole did just as a reflex. Not to initiate a fight, but to literally get him the fuck out of my face.
It's one of those things that happens so fast. We all have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight. Poole didn't.
I agree on the head-butt. It was like a graze and then Green went into his shoulder.