It will be interesting to see how GB defends. They've been playing a Patrick Graham-style deep zone and forcing teams to run/dink and dunk - but that's exactly what the Giants want to do.
Will GB change its spots in an effort to stop the Giants? If they do, they aren't playing their game anymore. If they don't, they could get run over.
the coaching staff as well. I heard a podcast basically saying the coaching is utilizing players on what they do best and are winning to some degree on that. But yes talent & execution eventually has to win out at some point.
Especially with their pass rush and all of our injuries. Not sure what to expect although it probably looks a lot like the Dallas game on offense for us. But Aaron Rodgers does enough against our defense to beat us by two TDs IMO.
We need to turn this into a brawl. The key is going to be Sexy Dexy, if he can power into Rodgers face and bully them some with our run game, we can pull this out and move.to.4 and 1 with an 85% chance of making the playoffs. We were tied in the 4th quarter againt Dallas, wasn't any kind of beat down.
It will be interesting to see how GB defends. They've been playing a Patrick Graham-style deep zone and forcing teams to run/dink and dunk - but that's exactly what the Giants want to do.
Will GB change its spots in an effort to stop the Giants? If they do, they aren't playing their game anymore. If they don't, they could get run over.
The Pack stayed in a 2 high shell even though the Pats were essentially limited to only running the ball...it was strange. Do they employ the same strategy here? Would seem silly, but it seemed silly last week and if they do, we'll our rushing attack is way better.
We need to turn this into a brawl. The key is going to be Sexy Dexy, if he can power into Rodgers face and bully them some with our run game, we can pull this out and move.to.4 and 1 with an 85% chance of making the playoffs. We were tied in the 4th quarter againt Dallas, wasn't any kind of beat down.
Percentage of making the playoffs is probably into the 90s these days with the extra playoff team....which is crazy to think.
Its crazy how little national attention the Giants are getting right now, and when they do come up, its pretty much how much they suck and are worst 3-1 team in history of football. The narrative changes big time with a win.
People need to prepare for the fact that the Giants will likely be blown out. My guess is that we lose by three touchdowns. As you note, good coaching can make a difference in close games, but cannot likely overcome the extreme talent disparity that exists between us and the Packers.
Ninety percent of the Giants offense is Barkley and Jones rushing. The Packers should be able to easily stop Barkley even though their run defense is 22nd in the league. And Jones likely won't be running around like he did against Chicago. Not on a bum ankle. Even if he does, unlike the Bears, the Packers won't have any problem containing his naked bootlegs.
We have no WRs who can separate. They have to be"schemed" to get open. That essentially makes them irrelevant, especially against Green Bay's talented secondary. TEs on various "drag routes" or dump offs in the flats are our only other option, and they are also easily contained.
I think its going to be a colossal beating. The Dallas game comes to mind as a game where Dallas should have had a multiple touchdown lead early if not for some terrible drops by Lamb. I think Rogers torches us early and often.
run the ball, eat time odd the clock, rest our defense.
get in Rogers face. Even the best QB when under pressure becomes average at best. we won Super bowls with this strategy, we can win a game in London with this strategy.
Most defenses are built to stop the pass, not the run. We are best running the ball. Three TE's, extra o line, bang the ball into the lines, eventually the defense will break.
Barkley for over 200 yards. Rodgers running for his life.
We need Jones to be 100% and Slayton to play his A game if he still
They played the Pats and Bears who are essentially one-dimensional. They played the Bucs at a time when they were missing Evans and Godwin and Fournette looks to have lost a step (or still getting into gameshape from coming into camp like an extra OL after signing his contract). They are still giving up 5 yards per carry considering. They played the Vikes in week 1 and we've seen what teams have looked like offensively up until week 4. This team can be had if DJ is mobile. Especially if they are insistent on staying in 2 high.
Game came down to last possession even with the horrid officiating. The yardage, first downs, TOP were all basically even.
In regards to injuries, our starting LG was out, 2 WRs, Leo Williams, Tibs and Olijari in their first game, etc. Also, anyone here think Dak is actually better than Copper Rush at this point?
Game came down to last possession even with the horrid officiating. The yardage, first downs, TOP were all basically even.
In regards to injuries, our starting LG was out, 2 WRs, Leo Williams, Tibs and Olijari in their first game, etc. Also, anyone here think Dak is actually better than Copper Rush at this point?
I understand what you are saying, and I partly agree, but I don't think that game was as close as the score. The Giants were beaten on both sides of the line.
Coaching and missed opportunity had us in that Dallas game. Cooper Rush could basically pop a beer while scanning the field on pass plays while DJ was running for his life every other play. To be fair we may have faired quite a bit better with a healthy Leo W in the game.
That gives us some chance to move the ball. Bad timing for the Giants. Packers played a good running team with bad WRs and no QB last week and screwed it up pretty bad. They will probably learn from their mistakes.
Coaching and missed opportunity had us in that Dallas game. Cooper Rush could basically pop a beer while scanning the field on pass plays while DJ was running for his life every other play. To be fair we may have faired quite a bit better with a healthy Leo W in the game.
Yes on Williams, but re-read Sy's review. He highlighted who Dallas was missing. In terms of injuries, at worst it was a wash, but when you consider they were playing a back-up QB, I think we all thought we'd be more competitive in that game.
There's no reason we shouldn't be ultra competitive/capable of winning this one with our top QB on a neutral field.
I understand some of the injuries to the WRs and Ojulari but it's time for other guys to step up. The Packers OL is beat up, there's no reason Williams, Dex, Thibs, Ward and Ximines can't generate pressure.
I would be looking to run the ball all day long right at the Packers. If this is not a close game I will be very disappointed.
Coaching and missed opportunity had us in that Dallas game. Cooper Rush could basically pop a beer while scanning the field on pass plays while DJ was running for his life every other play. To be fair we may have faired quite a bit better with a healthy Leo W in the game.
Yes on Williams, but re-read Sy's review. He highlighted who Dallas was missing. In terms of injuries, at worst it was a wash, but when you consider they were playing a back-up QB, I think we all thought we'd be more competitive in that game.
Yep that's true. I was surprised at how well Cooper Rush did though, I didn't see any drop off from Dak really. Dak is such a weird player. Sometimes he looks great and others... oopha. What's really apparent from that game is how well the Cowboys have drafted. Even with a lot of injuries they were still seemingly quite a bit stronger all over the roster. I'm starting to think Dak's success is really a product of that team.
I think its going to be a colossal beating. The Dallas game comes to mind as a game where Dallas should have had a multiple touchdown lead early if not for some terrible drops by Lamb. I think Rogers torches us early and often.
This is what worries me. Packers should embarrass them in London with the players the Giants are missing.
Suffice it to say that a win will lift this team -- and its coaching staff -- in the hearts of fans the likes of which we haven't seen since the last Giants Super Bowl!
What the hell, we are going to a neutral field at 3-1 against a man I would like to slap. Where are my East hard asses? Let's go punch these fuckers in the mouth, a brawl equalizes talent. This team is not getting embarrassed, too well coached, too much pride. Can't believe some of you. Get on board.
RE: RE: I think we finally get blown out this week
I think its going to be a colossal beating. The Dallas game comes to mind as a game where Dallas should have had a multiple touchdown lead early if not for some terrible drops by Lamb. I think Rogers torches us early and often.
This is what worries me. Packers should embarrass them in London with the players the Giants are missing.
Who are the Giants missing that they werent missing all year?
Game came down to last possession even with the horrid officiating. The yardage, first downs, TOP were all basically even.
In regards to injuries, our starting LG was out, 2 WRs, Leo Williams, Tibs and Olijari in their first game, etc. Also, anyone here think Dak is actually better than Copper Rush at this point?
I understand what you are saying, and I partly agree, but I don't think that game was as close as the score. The Giants were beaten on both sides of the line.
And I disagree. The Giants has a 13-6 lead and the Dallas defense was getting gassed. If the defense has held there Dallas would have folded. That game was not a one sided we were lucky to be in it game and honestly we shot ourselves in the foot a lot. Yes, we lost and deserves to but it wasn't a blowout.
But I expect the coaches and players stay in the game.
Best chance is to drag them down to our level. Play a dirty, ugly, boring game and look for a chance I. The 4 th qtr to steal it.
Have to be the more physical team and beat them up some. Frustrate and hit AR. JUST BE GRIMY.
I’m glad Jones is playing. Not 100%? Too bad. This is the nfl. If he is not in danger …get out there. He’s getting a legimate audition for his future.
Step 1 is staying available.
That’s not enough tho. He has to go out there. Continue to improve in this scheme. Make plays and give the giants a chance to win against (most) odds.
I’m Excited for this one. Underdog can be fun
I wanna see the coaches get us a respectable showing when outgunned. Players to be physical and realize they belong on the field with anyone. I wanna see Jones in a tough/ big spot
What the hell, we are going to a neutral field at 3-1 against a man I would like to slap. Where are my East hard asses? Let's go punch these fuckers in the mouth, a brawl equalizes talent. This team is not getting embarrassed, too well coached, too much pride. Can't believe some of you. Get on board.
I like the cut of your jib and right there with ya.
I was putzing through some football articles and came across some “expert picks” for this game. All 13 experts had GB not only winning but covering. Even Clucks the Chicken had a coin flip and had the Packers winning.
I want to see the Giants stuff the ball down the Packers throats all day. Frustrate Rodgers and his new WR’s and come home with the W. I like it’s on a neutral field and think we have a better shot than if it were at Lambeau. Looking forward to seeing those experts eat some crow.
Its crazy how little national attention the Giants are getting right now, and when they do come up, its pretty much how much they suck and are worst 3-1 team in history of football.
I remember 2000, when the Giants were the worst 12-4 team ever.
has a big game and gets itself on track. Doubs and Lazard are becoming reliable weapons and Christian Watson has game changing speed. They are finding ways to get him touches and this will basically be just the 2nd game of that group healthy and getting reps together. and in each of the first 4 games the nyg have allowed WRs to get open deep with mixed results bc they played tannehill, baker, rush, and fields.
aaron jones has been incredibly efficient - 6.8 yards per carry and 12 plays of 10+ yards. Dillon is solid and physical. baktiari is back.
so bottom line is that there's no taking anything away from the packers. they will run over you, past you, and improving back to their usual ability throw the ball on you with their young WRs progressing. if Wink's defense can keep the packers down i'll be extremely impressed but i just dont see it. rodgers is going to find moreau and belton in coverage and show them the difference between him and fields/baker/rush.
other than a bunch of touches to barkley i have no idea what to expect with the offense - but with minimal options they should give slayton like 10+ targets. him having 1 of those games where he scores 2 long touchdowns may be the only way to keep them in it. jaire alexander is coming off a groin injury so i'd be testing him deep from the first play.
RE: i dont see this game going well for nyg - i think GB passing offense
has a big game and gets itself on track. Doubs and Lazard are becoming reliable weapons and Christian Watson has game changing speed. They are finding ways to get him touches and this will basically be just the 2nd game of that group healthy and getting reps together. and in each of the first 4 games the nyg have allowed WRs to get open deep with mixed results bc they played tannehill, baker, rush, and fields.
other than a bunch of touches to barkley i have no idea what to expect with the offense - but with minimal options they should give slayton like 10+ targets. him having 1 of those games where he scores 2 long touchdowns may be the only way to keep them in it. jaire alexander is coming off a groin injury so i'd be testing him deep from the first play.
I agree, this Packers team is just getting on track. The ironic part is if the Giants somehow win I imagine it will be minimized by many in national media and some here ESPECIALLY if it’s another win with under 200 passing yards
RE: RE: i dont see this game going well for nyg - i think GB passing offense
has a big game and gets itself on track. Doubs and Lazard are becoming reliable weapons and Christian Watson has game changing speed. They are finding ways to get him touches and this will basically be just the 2nd game of that group healthy and getting reps together. and in each of the first 4 games the nyg have allowed WRs to get open deep with mixed results bc they played tannehill, baker, rush, and fields.
other than a bunch of touches to barkley i have no idea what to expect with the offense - but with minimal options they should give slayton like 10+ targets. him having 1 of those games where he scores 2 long touchdowns may be the only way to keep them in it. jaire alexander is coming off a groin injury so i'd be testing him deep from the first play.
I agree, this Packers team is just getting on track. The ironic part is if the Giants somehow win I imagine it will be minimized by many in national media and some here ESPECIALLY if it’s another win with under 200 passing yards
yeah to me the next 2 are big time measuring stick games. I expect 0-2 but if they can remain competitive in 1 of them i'll be impressed. both are tougher games on paper than the titan game or dallas game.
but Jones gives us a chance. That's what a franchise QB is.
The DAL game is a perfect example - and this game could be similar.
So the one game we lost, to a backup QB who led the Cowb.oys to the most points we have given up and we only scored 16 is evidence of Jones being a franchise QB who can lead us to great things?
All logic points to the Giants finally being overmatched by superior
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Darius Slayton has Healthy Mind and Body (available) .. I am rooting for him. He has a great *opportunity*, and I believe he *wants* to take advantage of it.
The DAL game is a perfect example - and this game could be similar.
Will GB change its spots in an effort to stop the Giants? If they do, they aren't playing their game anymore. If they don't, they could get run over.
Will GB change its spots in an effort to stop the Giants? If they do, they aren't playing their game anymore. If they don't, they could get run over.
The Pack stayed in a 2 high shell even though the Pats were essentially limited to only running the ball...it was strange. Do they employ the same strategy here? Would seem silly, but it seemed silly last week and if they do, we'll our rushing attack is way better.
Percentage of making the playoffs is probably into the 90s these days with the extra playoff team....which is crazy to think.
Its crazy how little national attention the Giants are getting right now, and when they do come up, its pretty much how much they suck and are worst 3-1 team in history of football. The narrative changes big time with a win.
People need to prepare for the fact that the Giants will likely be blown out. My guess is that we lose by three touchdowns. As you note, good coaching can make a difference in close games, but cannot likely overcome the extreme talent disparity that exists between us and the Packers.
Ninety percent of the Giants offense is Barkley and Jones rushing. The Packers should be able to easily stop Barkley even though their run defense is 22nd in the league. And Jones likely won't be running around like he did against Chicago. Not on a bum ankle. Even if he does, unlike the Bears, the Packers won't have any problem containing his naked bootlegs.
We have no WRs who can separate. They have to be"schemed" to get open. That essentially makes them irrelevant, especially against Green Bay's talented secondary. TEs on various "drag routes" or dump offs in the flats are our only other option, and they are also easily contained.
get in Rogers face. Even the best QB when under pressure becomes average at best. we won Super bowls with this strategy, we can win a game in London with this strategy.
Most defenses are built to stop the pass, not the run. We are best running the ball. Three TE's, extra o line, bang the ball into the lines, eventually the defense will break.
Barkley for over 200 yards. Rodgers running for his life.
In regards to injuries, our starting LG was out, 2 WRs, Leo Williams, Tibs and Olijari in their first game, etc. Also, anyone here think Dak is actually better than Copper Rush at this point?
Crap.... too many damn teams in LA!!!
In regards to injuries, our starting LG was out, 2 WRs, Leo Williams, Tibs and Olijari in their first game, etc. Also, anyone here think Dak is actually better than Copper Rush at this point?
I understand what you are saying, and I partly agree, but I don't think that game was as close as the score. The Giants were beaten on both sides of the line.
Yes on Williams, but re-read Sy's review. He highlighted who Dallas was missing. In terms of injuries, at worst it was a wash, but when you consider they were playing a back-up QB, I think we all thought we'd be more competitive in that game.
There's no reason we shouldn't be ultra competitive/capable of winning this one with our top QB on a neutral field.
I understand some of the injuries to the WRs and Ojulari but it's time for other guys to step up. The Packers OL is beat up, there's no reason Williams, Dex, Thibs, Ward and Ximines can't generate pressure.
I would be looking to run the ball all day long right at the Packers. If this is not a close game I will be very disappointed.
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Coaching and missed opportunity had us in that Dallas game. Cooper Rush could basically pop a beer while scanning the field on pass plays while DJ was running for his life every other play. To be fair we may have faired quite a bit better with a healthy Leo W in the game.
Yes on Williams, but re-read Sy's review. He highlighted who Dallas was missing. In terms of injuries, at worst it was a wash, but when you consider they were playing a back-up QB, I think we all thought we'd be more competitive in that game.
Yep that's true. I was surprised at how well Cooper Rush did though, I didn't see any drop off from Dak really. Dak is such a weird player. Sometimes he looks great and others... oopha. What's really apparent from that game is how well the Cowboys have drafted. Even with a lot of injuries they were still seemingly quite a bit stronger all over the roster. I'm starting to think Dak's success is really a product of that team.
Look forward to seeing some wrinkles on the Ground Daboll offense.
Win the turnover battle (get one deep in GB) and maybe a special teams play.
Can Wink's D hold them to 20? Get to the 4th close and who knows.
Rodgers isn't Brady with the TB12 body.......He is 39 years old.
In football, 39 is ancient! Let's see if there is a drop-off.
Go Giants!
but having a heck of a hard time.
Suffice it to say that a win will lift this team -- and its coaching staff -- in the hearts of fans the likes of which we haven't seen since the last Giants Super Bowl!
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I think its going to be a colossal beating. The Dallas game comes to mind as a game where Dallas should have had a multiple touchdown lead early if not for some terrible drops by Lamb. I think Rogers torches us early and often.
This is what worries me. Packers should embarrass them in London with the players the Giants are missing.
Who are the Giants missing that they werent missing all year?
Packers dont have a ton of weapons, yes they have Rodgers and he is still very good but he cant throw to himself..
A lot of their passing game is quick screens and to Aaron Jones..
I expect the Giants to use the same type of gameplan against Jones they used on Mccaffrey with Mckinney spying on him..
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Game came down to last possession even with the horrid officiating. The yardage, first downs, TOP were all basically even.
In regards to injuries, our starting LG was out, 2 WRs, Leo Williams, Tibs and Olijari in their first game, etc. Also, anyone here think Dak is actually better than Copper Rush at this point?
I understand what you are saying, and I partly agree, but I don't think that game was as close as the score. The Giants were beaten on both sides of the line.
And I disagree. The Giants has a 13-6 lead and the Dallas defense was getting gassed. If the defense has held there Dallas would have folded. That game was not a one sided we were lucky to be in it game and honestly we shot ourselves in the foot a lot. Yes, we lost and deserves to but it wasn't a blowout.
Calitro gave up like 80 yards rushing himself.
Forget everyone else.
doesn't count. They are all wearing shoes.
Best chance is to drag them down to our level. Play a dirty, ugly, boring game and look for a chance I. The 4 th qtr to steal it.
Have to be the more physical team and beat them up some. Frustrate and hit AR. JUST BE GRIMY.
I’m glad Jones is playing. Not 100%? Too bad. This is the nfl. If he is not in danger …get out there. He’s getting a legimate audition for his future.
Step 1 is staying available.
That’s not enough tho. He has to go out there. Continue to improve in this scheme. Make plays and give the giants a chance to win against (most) odds.
I’m Excited for this one. Underdog can be fun
I wanna see the coaches get us a respectable showing when outgunned. Players to be physical and realize they belong on the field with anyone. I wanna see Jones in a tough/ big spot
but under first-year head coach Daboll, how the team actually plays may be just as important... especially in the early phases of a re-build.**
**Some would say that 2022 is really the prelude to a re-build which will not get underway until 2023.
I like the cut of your jib and right there with ya.
I was putzing through some football articles and came across some “expert picks” for this game. All 13 experts had GB not only winning but covering. Even Clucks the Chicken had a coin flip and had the Packers winning.
I want to see the Giants stuff the ball down the Packers throats all day. Frustrate Rodgers and his new WR’s and come home with the W. I like it’s on a neutral field and think we have a better shot than if it were at Lambeau. Looking forward to seeing those experts eat some crow.
I remember 2000, when the Giants were the worst 12-4 team ever.
*Run the ball with a great RB and a good running QB. (That, in and of itself, is tough to stop.)
*Play solid defense - including stingy red zone D - with a great DC.
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You aren't going to be the greatest show on turf but in a 60 minute game, you should be able to beat anybody. Just stay within yourself.
hard up into the LOS, without little (if any) backfield juking, is that there is less stress on his knees.
(I think.)
aaron jones has been incredibly efficient - 6.8 yards per carry and 12 plays of 10+ yards. Dillon is solid and physical. baktiari is back.
so bottom line is that there's no taking anything away from the packers. they will run over you, past you, and improving back to their usual ability throw the ball on you with their young WRs progressing. if Wink's defense can keep the packers down i'll be extremely impressed but i just dont see it. rodgers is going to find moreau and belton in coverage and show them the difference between him and fields/baker/rush.
other than a bunch of touches to barkley i have no idea what to expect with the offense - but with minimal options they should give slayton like 10+ targets. him having 1 of those games where he scores 2 long touchdowns may be the only way to keep them in it. jaire alexander is coming off a groin injury so i'd be testing him deep from the first play.
other than a bunch of touches to barkley i have no idea what to expect with the offense - but with minimal options they should give slayton like 10+ targets. him having 1 of those games where he scores 2 long touchdowns may be the only way to keep them in it. jaire alexander is coming off a groin injury so i'd be testing him deep from the first play.
I agree, this Packers team is just getting on track. The ironic part is if the Giants somehow win I imagine it will be minimized by many in national media and some here ESPECIALLY if it’s another win with under 200 passing yards
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has a big game and gets itself on track. Doubs and Lazard are becoming reliable weapons and Christian Watson has game changing speed. They are finding ways to get him touches and this will basically be just the 2nd game of that group healthy and getting reps together. and in each of the first 4 games the nyg have allowed WRs to get open deep with mixed results bc they played tannehill, baker, rush, and fields.
other than a bunch of touches to barkley i have no idea what to expect with the offense - but with minimal options they should give slayton like 10+ targets. him having 1 of those games where he scores 2 long touchdowns may be the only way to keep them in it. jaire alexander is coming off a groin injury so i'd be testing him deep from the first play.
I agree, this Packers team is just getting on track. The ironic part is if the Giants somehow win I imagine it will be minimized by many in national media and some here ESPECIALLY if it’s another win with under 200 passing yards
yeah to me the next 2 are big time measuring stick games. I expect 0-2 but if they can remain competitive in 1 of them i'll be impressed. both are tougher games on paper than the titan game or dallas game.
The DAL game is a perfect example - and this game could be similar.
Darius Slayton has Healthy Mind and Body (available) .. I am rooting for him. He has a great *opportunity*, and I believe he *wants* to take advantage of it.