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NFT: All season or all weather tires?

Milton : 10/7/2022 4:13 pm
I live in the Berkshires where we get roughly six feet of snow a year (not all at one time!) and it's time to get my car new tires. I don't want snow tires, so it's all season or all weather tires that I'm considering. All weather is better for traction in wet, icy conditions, all season is better for performance (and gas mileage, too, I think). I'm a safe driver, I don't speed, I don't run lights, and my job is less than four miles from home. Am I okay with the all season tires?
My parents swear by snow tires  
mattlawson : 10/7/2022 4:25 pm : link
They live in the foothiils of the ADKs. I drive up there and do OK in my all seasons. Costco buys, usually either Michelin or Bridgestone for my odyssey or pilot
I'm probably one of the few...  
JohnG in Albany : 10/7/2022 4:29 pm : link
who still do the changeover to snow tires.

And we have AWD vehicles.

What type of car?  
Eli Wilson : 10/7/2022 4:30 pm : link
If you have an AWD vehicle, All Season are fine.

I live in the Saratoga area and have no issues with them here, or when I need to go to Vermont.
Go to Tire Rack  
Aloha Alan : 10/7/2022 4:31 pm : link
and take their tire decision guide. That'll help you get a few tires that meet your vehicles criteria with reviews for those tires as well. Plus once you check out a specific tire check out the couple of minute video on how the tire works on dry pavement, wet, snowy and icy conditions. It's a wealth of free information.
If you are All wheel Drive or 4 wheel drive  
Chip : 10/7/2022 4:31 pm : link
Seasonals will be fine. I had a half mile drive way up hill and would not have an issue even when the road had a few inches of snow. If you don't have AWD you probably want the tire with more traction if you have some difficult hills. Mass is a southern state you know.
Too many variables unmentioned.  
Red Dog : 10/7/2022 4:33 pm : link
What is the vehicle? Is it 2, 4 or all wheel drive (4 wheel and all wheel are NOT the same thing).

Do you have any steep slopes - say more than 5-degrees - to handle? How is the snow plowing in your area? Do they do a good job on the roads? Are you lazy about clearing your driveway?

Do you ever tow anything in the winter?

How much winter driving experience do you really have now?

What's the coldest temperature that you normally see?
RE: Too many variables unmentioned.  
Milton : 10/7/2022 4:43 pm : link
In comment 15850160 Red Dog said:
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What is the vehicle? Is it 2, 4 or all wheel drive (4 wheel and all wheel are NOT the same thing).
It's a Lexus LS460 AWD.

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Do you have any steep slopes - say more than 5-degrees - to handle? How is the snow plowing in your area? Do they do a good job on the roads? Are you lazy about clearing your driveway?
Not flat, but not especially hilly. The city is very good about snow plowing, but I'm lazy when it comes to my driveway and it's a long driveway. Maybe I'll be better about it this year (I need to get the snow blower working!).

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Do you ever tow anything in the winter?
No.

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How much winter driving experience do you really have now?
Moderate.

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What's the coldest temperature that you normally see?
It is regularly below freezing in the winter and will hit single digits several times with the occasional below zero days. And that's not including wind-chill factors.
Holy crap  
Spider43 : 10/7/2022 5:33 pm : link
There really IS a difference between 'all season' and 'all weather' tires? Color me surprised...
Milton, if it was me, I'd go with the all weather tires.  
Red Dog : 10/7/2022 7:05 pm : link
Look for something with good void area on the tread (25% minimum void area required by law to be labelled as Mud & Snow rated) as this will provide better traction in snow or snow with broken ice mix. Downside is they will probably make a tad more noise due to the larger void area.

A tire with an open shoulder pattern - that is, a non-continuous edge to the tread - will also provide significantly more traction, but you rarely see this in an all season or all weather tire. If you do, this tire will also be a little more noisy and a little less efficient on gas. But it will really help traction and steering in snow conditions.

Some tires have better traction ratings than others. Look up the Uniform Tire Grading information to educate yourself on traction and mileage estimates on various tires. The information you need to review is molded into the side walls of the tires.

Considering your temperature range and subtle elevation changes, I'd stay away from some of the more efficient tires that I'd use on flatlands in in really cold weather when the snow actually gets sticky and traction improves. (Traction on ice and especially snow improves as the temperature drops and is incredibly good at 40 below zero.)

That's my two cents on it.
I went through this debate a few years ago  
Giantimistic : 10/7/2022 8:33 pm : link
With some research I ended up with the best hybrid solution I have ever had.

Michelin CrossClimate.

Look at the ratings. It is great in the snow, rain and dry. First tire I found that does everything well. It completely changed the way my prius handled in the winter in Massachusetts.

I got on tire rack and had shipped to my autobody. They put it on and I will never by a different tire brand.
Best tire ever - ( New Window )
RE: I'm probably one of the few...  
jhibb : 10/7/2022 10:37 pm : link
In comment 15850151 JohnG in Albany said:
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who still do the changeover to snow tires.

And we have AWD vehicles.


I'm in the Finger Lakes area myself, and after the first winter that I tried out winter tires, I couldn't go another without. Such a difference with snow and hills.
I went with the Bridgestone Alenza AS Ultra  
Bill in Del : 10/8/2022 4:53 am : link
All season tire designed for better performance in slippery conditions including snow. I've had them about a month and so far I like them, they have been great in the rain. This winter will be the real test. Living in Delaware we don't get allot of snow so a good all season makes the most sense. These might work for you.
RE: RE: I'm probably one of the few...  
Mattman : 10/8/2022 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15850595 jhibb said:
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In comment 15850151 JohnG in Albany said:


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who still do the changeover to snow tires.

And we have AWD vehicles.




I'm in the Finger Lakes area myself, and after the first winter that I tried out winter tires, I couldn't go another without. Such a difference with snow and hills.


There is a saying, spend money on things between you and the ground.

It’s a huge difference. When I buy a vehicle I buy snows on steel rims to switch out. Awd/4wd will help you push through but doesn’t help you stop.
RE: RE: I'm probably one of the few...  
armstead98 : 10/8/2022 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15850595 jhibb said:
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In comment 15850151 JohnG in Albany said:


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who still do the changeover to snow tires.

And we have AWD vehicles.




I'm in the Finger Lakes area myself, and after the first winter that I tried out winter tires, I couldn't go another without. Such a difference with snow and hills.


I do the same, best of both worlds. I bought a 2WD A4 when I lived in Texas and the snow tires make it so it’s not an issue even in bad snow when I’m in the ADK. Then swap them out for the rest of the year.

I bought the wheels too to make it easy.
Some all-season tires are much better in the snow than others  
ArtVandelay : 10/8/2022 8:42 pm : link
Vredestein Quatrac and NOKIAN WR G4 are almost as good
as a snow tire. The sidewalls are a little soft so they're not a great dry weather performance tire but fine year round for an SUV.

If you want something more sporty then Continental Extreme Contacts are pretty good in snow. I have them on a RWD sport sedan. They do quite well as long as the snow isn't too deep.
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