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-Best-of-three series; all games are at Citi Field and will be broadcast on ESPN.
-Mets are wearing black tonight.
-Bobby Ojeda is throwing the first pitch.
-Marte is on the roster and starting tonight in RF and hitting 6th (he's wearing a special splint).
-Nido is starting at Catcher over McCann (McCann is 4 for 10 in his career against Darvish).
Starting Pitchers - October 7, 2022 - Padres @ Mets
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Starting Lineups - October 7, 2022 - Padres @ Mets
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NL Wildcard: Game - Padres @ Mets - TV: ESPN - 8:07 pm EST start from Flushing, NY - freestreams
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Gameday Box Score - mlb.com - Padres @ Mets - 10/7/22 - 8:07 pm EST start
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So yeah...101 win season and maybe losing in the playoffs to a very good Padre team... Not so bad
Wow, I've been a lurker this season, but really? Pathetic.
Lol omg did you read my post...its terrible, but it's nothing close to the other things I listed... I'm already broken, the team can't break me anymore
He did the same thing last year with the Dodgers with the "tired arm," What pitcher does not have a tired arm by October?
He is coming up small. So is Lindor. might be the pressure of the contracts.
He actually pitched pretty well for the Dodgers last postseason. 16.2 innings, 2.22 ERA, 4 runs, 10 hits, 5 BB and 23K
We need any but if good luck we can muster here.
We need any but if good luck we can muster here.
What would you like? It won't change what deGrom is gonna do.
He's getting old and he's going to be physically inconsistent. You can't question his mentality - the guy is an animal and has done well in plenty of big games.
Based on game 1 and what we did against ATL, this team just doesn't have it now. If we're getting mediocre starts from Max and Jake, zero from Alonso, and not hitting with RISP, we're really not that good. If this is who we are now, the bye didn't matter - we can't win like this.
Sometimes you get hot in October. Sometimes you go cold. Unfortunately we look like the latter.
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Can we please change the thread title fir game two?
We need any but if good luck we can muster here.
What would you like? It won't change what deGrom is gonna do.
Simple - just name the thread “Freaking Mets!” and be done with it.
alonso is over swinging and did the same in the atlanta series. he had 0 rbis and 0 xbh in the last week of the season.
vogey is a really limited player - smack in the middle of the lineup - who simply doesn't hit for as much power as someone in his profile should. just 2 homers in the last month even though he hit for .311 over that time. the problem is him hitting singles is pointless because it takes 3 hits behind him to get him home. in his last 17 games he got on base 23 times but scored just 4 of them (not counting homers).
it's hard to win if your best players dont show up and our best players haven't shown up when it's mattered most. lindor, alonso, sherzer, jdg specificially. by next year that quartet may be on contracts totaling $1bn and unfortunately the return has been 0 when things mattered most. jdg has to go out and change that narrative tonight or it will just be another chapter of disappointment tacked on to the resumes of the 5 aces. maybe the final chapter.
But I'm afraid I may be the bad luck charm.
I've been to three Mad Max games at Citi now, and the Mets are 0-3. :/
If we ever needed the real DeGrom to show up, it's now. #LGM
Winning tonight has nothing to do with last night.
One game at a time. No reason to not be excited with deGrom throwing….regardless with what Max did.
Just win….
if the Mets lose tonight and deGrom shits the bed and then opts out, how much do you really want to re-sign him?
the Mets already have $40M tied up for Scherzer to make 23 starts and come up small, is it worth it to spend another $40M for deGrom's dozen starts?
Especially with Scherzer coming up small in his two biggest starts as a Met.
Not sure who you replace deGrom with, but at some point the cost for him won't be worth the fragility.
if the Mets lose tonight and deGrom shits the bed and then opts out, how much do you really want to re-sign him?
the Mets already have $40M tied up for Scherzer to make 23 starts and come up small, is it worth it to spend another $40M for deGrom's dozen starts?
Especially with Scherzer coming up small in his two biggest starts as a Met.
Not sure who you replace deGrom with, but at some point the cost for him won't be worth the fragility.
Well, with zero SP prospects on the horizon, they would probably have to spend significantly to even begin to replace him anyway
Rodon had injury issues too (which lead to his 2 year deal in SF), but they appear to be behind him.
If Rodon is healthy who would you rather spend FA $$ on?
Rodon had injury issues too (which lead to his 2 year deal in SF), but they appear to be behind him.
If Rodon is healthy who would you rather spend FA $$ on?
it's a good question. and rodon aside, what's a better use of $44mx3 years?
Bassitt = $20m
Walker = $13m
Carrasco (or other) = $11m (or less/other player)
im just guessing on JDG's next contract but i have to think he's going to be shooting for the scherzer deal and probably get close (maybe more years, lower aav).
a lot riding on tonight's game. this team is a 100% win now group as currently constructed. if they don't win i think they have to think hard about a restructuring, and if we learned anything this year it may be that you dont need 2 aces to be a 100+ team (pre august team).
and even with 2 aces you may not be a 100+ win team if nobody hits (post august team).
the whole rotation except Scherzer are free agents with opt outs (and Carrasco has a team option)
Diaz is a FA
Nimmo is a FA
May is a FA
Lugo is a FA
Ottavino is a FA
you are right, a lot riding on tonight and hopefully the rest of this post-season
the only players who would have made a big difference were contreras/robertson and the cubs didn't trade contreras. this week it came out that they offered their 6th best prospect to the cubs (which means 1 of baty, alvarez, vientos, ramirez, mauricio, allen).
at the deadline DMM said he heard from someone they offered Mauricio. if that's true they actually offered more than PCA was worth last year (imo). PCA was injured and basically pre-debut last year. Mauricio was 21 in AA this year and hit at a 30+/30+/100+ pace at SS.
iglesias is the only other id consider a big miss. he changed atlanta and without him they dont win division. not sure what it would have taken to get him but that was a miss, and im not sure it would have changed much for the mets the last 2 months because they barely had to use Diaz as it was.
Darin Ruf is the Mets' DH against lefthander Blake Snell tonight.
Darin Ruf is the Mets' DH against lefthander Blake Snell tonight.
Unserious.
Darin Ruf is the Mets' DH against lefthander Blake Snell tonight.
Haha, sigh.
Big game James, or small game Jake... I think we'll have to re-sign him regardless of tonight's outcome. Or try to sign him, at least. Front line pitching, is still the name of the game. Especially with the game changes coming next season.
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Darin Ruf is the Mets' DH against lefthander Blake Snell tonight.
Unserious.
the cherry on top of the post deadline mismanagement cake.
i will obviously root like crazy for the ruf rider to prove us all wrong but if he does his usual 0/3 with a few left on base in a close loss to end the season it will be the exclamation point on the wasted opportunity that was this year.
bullpen was the biggest one going in and rotation depth another, and sometimes overpaying, when your team is a contender, is ok.
the PCA thing, I hate to rehash it, wasn't about *just* about his worth it was about giving up any assets for a rental when the odds were clearly stacked against competing despite where they were in the standings at the time. It was unlikely given the state of the rotation even if they somehow made the playoffs they would be competitive in the playoffs. If I'm in charge I don't wave a white flag, but I certainly wouldn't have been a buyer.
anyway, I was disappointed at the deadline but reality is Scherzer and Bassitt (and to a lesser extent deGrom) - the ones I felt like were the reliable pieces to build around for the run/playoffs - are the ones who let us down the most.
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Darin Ruf is the Mets' DH against lefthander Blake Snell tonight.
Haha, sigh.
Big game James, or small game Jake... I think we'll have to re-sign him regardless of tonight's outcome. Or try to sign him, at least. Front line pitching, is still the name of the game. Especially with the game changes coming next season.
i dont think there's any world where they dont try to resign him, and honestly im not so sure how robust his market is going to be. the braves are oft mentioned but they just extended morton for 20m per, and they have strider, fried, wright, soroka.
are they upping their payroll and making him one of the highest paid players in the game? maybe. but they'd have to way beyond their current payroll to do that.
the lad or nyy could, or tex, but none get him geographically in the area that supposedly has an advantage on the mets. so if the mets just match or go $1 whatever the biggest offer is, is he leaving just out of spite?
i guess we'll see what happens but i do think whatever happens tonight has as much impact on any player's market as 1 single game can.
Unreal that he is getting the start over Alvarez or Vientos (who I would have picked if Ruf as DH was the plan, not just as extra OFer and last ditch rh bat)
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bullpen was the biggest one going in and rotation depth another, and sometimes overpaying, when your team is a contender, is ok.
the PCA thing, I hate to rehash it, wasn't about *just* about his worth it was about giving up any assets for a rental when the odds were clearly stacked against competing despite where they were in the standings at the time. It was unlikely given the state of the rotation even if they somehow made the playoffs they would be competitive in the playoffs. If I'm in charge I don't wave a white flag, but I certainly wouldn't have been a buyer.
anyway, I was disappointed at the deadline but reality is Scherzer and Bassitt (and to a lesser extent deGrom) - the ones I felt like were the reliable pieces to build around for the run/playoffs - are the ones who let us down the most.
you get the deadline you get in terms of what's available not the one you want. they needed a hitter and i think it is a fact that other than soto, no hitter who was traded hit better than vogelbach. who were you adding that had a better 2nd half than vogelbach?
the only one who would have made a difference is contreras, and they supposedly offered the cubs 1 of their top 6.
their mistake was not signing schwarber in the offseason. 4x79m was a very reasonable deal for a guy who would have hit 40+ homers behind alonso. they were 1 move short on finishing this roster (and ironically got the exact amount that had to be wasted on cano thanks to the wilponzis/bvw).
a big hit tonight and big playoffs after would be one heck of a folk tale.
I would have been fine rolling with the lineup as is, mainly because there is precedent with teams built around pitching (and to an extent defense) winning world series.
My approach would have been to add one of the TOR or close to it starters and the best reliever or two.
and then win or lose I would have felt like the Mets got it, they understood what they have in their team and did what it takes to fortify that.
As it turns out I was wrong, but only because of how small Scherzer, Bassitt and deGrom came up down the stretch. it's not even like the bullpen had a chance to implode - the starters did it for them.
it can be turned around obviously, but not a lot of time for that to happen.
No great options. Going with the veteran who has done it in the past vs the rookie just called up who hasnt done anything yet, has had bad at bats vs good pitching, and has never faced this kind of pressure (in front of 42,000 people no less)
so the biggest reason i think iglesias would have helped the mets is making the braves worse. i dont think any pitcher would have changed much in terms of how the mets played, even in the bullpen, because they simply didn't hit enough to get leads (which is why diaz pitched so little).
as a team their pitching staff had the 2nd best FIP/XFIP in the second half to only houston.
their starters were 3rd behind only HOU/SFG (and ahead of ATL, with almost the same ERA as ATL starters).
in addition to not blowing saves their relievers were tied with Atlanta's for 5th best in FIP and a little better in XFIP (ATL's BP ERA was better, which is largely thanks to iglesias' .34 era as a brave).
here were the mets starters in the 2nd half - you can see none of them pitched that bad and depth wasn't an issue so while the difference of 1 game could have come from anywhere it was far more likely to come from hitters improvement. max and jdg were only 2 games over .500 and pitched far better than guys like castillo/montas yet walker and carrasco were each 2 games over .500 because no matter how good you pitch you cant win if hitters dont hit.
this season like last august falls on the feet of the hitters just not getting clutch hits. you want 1 stat to sum up this season i'd bet it is their numbers with RISP in the first half vs. the second half. i can't find them split out but they finished 6th in OPS w/ RISP for the year but im pretty sure through most of the first half they were 1st and had a big dropoff from mid-august on.
Alderson did several interviews pre and post deadline telling everyone what they were going to do and what they did. Eppler did one. So who was in charge?
Look at how the deadline went down - all of it was Alderson's MO. Late moves at the final minute, refusing to trade top assets because Alderson himself said he wouldnt after he screwed up last year with Baez, acquiring secondary pieces instead of landing top pieces, screwing up the bullpen (as he has done his entire decade with the Mets), acquiring a guy like Naquin who is the perfect Alderson player (lots of Ks, a few HRs, not much contact)
Every move and non-move screams Alderson, and he was the one who gave the pre-deadline interviews spelling out what was going to happen, and did post interviews as well
2. Lack of power
3. Failure to hit in the clutch
But carry on anyway about the bullpen...
2. Lack of power
3. Failure to hit in the clutch
But carry on anyway about the bullpen...
good post.
it was reported this week they offered 1 of their top 6 prospects and got turned down. dmm said he heard they offered mauricio. obviously they weren't trading Alvarez or Baty, so it was 1 of vientos/mauricio/ramirez/allan and any of them would have been as aggressive a trade for a rental as PCA last year.
the cubs can be frustrated with whatever they want but ultimately nobody met their price. the red sox traded vazquez to houston for a lot less than the mets 6th best prospect. these are their first half numbers and had vazquez not tanked post-deadline, that would have been the deal we regretted passing up. though promoting alvarez earlier was really the biggest oversight because it looks like he may have really been able to contribute if they'd given him a fighting chance.
"sources say they did offer the player they have ranked as No. 6 in their organization."
So they offered #6, not someone in the top 6
Also from the article:
"Rivals say the Mets mostly offered third-tier prospects. Two players they were said to dangle were pitcher Jose Butto and outfielder Khalil Lee. One question is why not offer Mark Vientos, whose No. 5 ranking in the organization made him valuable at a time some Mets themselves question his overall value due to his position issue?"
Which is exactly what I said at the deadline - use Vientos as a trade chip
So they offered #6, not someone in the top 6
how can someone be both #6 and "not someone in the top 6"?
we have no idea how the mets rank their top 6 outside of the obvious nor who the CHC would have accepted - all we know is 3 are unanimously top 100 prospects right now and 3 have been top 100 prospects within the last couple cycles.
Allan hasn't pitched since 2019 so i'd have a hard time ranking a guy who hasn't pitched in 3 years above any of the 5 healthy position players. but any of the 6 would have been an aggressive give for a rental just as PCA (also injured) was. nobody met the cubs pricetag for contreras so it's harder to blame the mets for not getting him than say robertson.
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So they offered #6, not someone in the top 6
how can someone be both #6 and "not someone in the top 6"?
we have no idea how the mets rank their top 6 outside of the obvious nor who the CHC would have accepted - all we know is 3 are unanimously top 100 prospects right now and 3 have been top 100 prospects within the last couple cycles.
Allan hasn't pitched since 2019 so i'd have a hard time ranking a guy who hasn't pitched in 3 years above any of the 5 healthy position players. but any of the 6 would have been an aggressive give for a rental just as PCA (also injured) was. nobody met the cubs pricetag for contreras so it's harder to blame the mets for not getting him than say robertson.
You were saying someone in the top 6, as if its Alvarez or Baty, which clearly wasnt the case
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So they offered #6, not someone in the top 6
how can someone be both #6 and "not someone in the top 6"?
we have no idea how the mets rank their top 6 outside of the obvious nor who the CHC would have accepted - all we know is 3 are unanimously top 100 prospects right now and 3 have been top 100 prospects within the last couple cycles.
Allan hasn't pitched since 2019 so i'd have a hard time ranking a guy who hasn't pitched in 3 years above any of the 5 healthy position players. but any of the 6 would have been an aggressive give for a rental just as PCA (also injured) was. nobody met the cubs pricetag for contreras so it's harder to blame the mets for not getting him than say robertson.
You were saying someone in the top 6, as if its Alvarez or Baty, which clearly wasnt the case
you think i thought the mets not only offered the cubs alvarez or baty for contreras, but that the cubs were stupid enough to turn that down and then later complain about the mets offers?
Either way they blew it by not giving up better prospects to get better players
Given that the Cubbies didn’t trade him, my guess is that their asking price was really high. With Alvarez close, it would have been crazy to empty the farm for Contreras.
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1. Starting Pitching
2. Lack of power
3. Failure to hit in the clutch
But carry on anyway about the bullpen...
good post.
Fucking NERD!