NFT: NL Wildcard - Game 1: Padres @ Mets - 8:07 pm EST start

That he only wanted to pitch to Nido

In comment 15850323 Mike in NY said:

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That he only wanted to pitch to Nido

I have to think that was it. McCann's career numbers (4 for 10) stand out compared to Nido's (1 for 3) vs Darvish.

LFGM!

Mets wearing all black...Rutgers is doing a Blackout game tonight. Up 10-0 on Cornhuskers. Let's hope similar good vibes in Queens.

It’s been 2016 since the Mets made the playoffs. I thought it had been that long, but sometimes life is a blur.

Exciting to be back to playoff baseball regardless of the disappointment in losing the division. Hopefully this becomes an annual thing with Cohen at the helm. I could get used to it

Go Mets! Anyone but the yankees, but lets go Mets!

This mofo Kevin Neghandi (he's outta Philly of course) can NOT shut up about how the Mets blew a 10.5 game. This other chick is a Braves fan too. Try and be objective and cover the game.

the teams with the byes will be almost a week without playing. Will they be cold? Will it be as big of an advantage as it seems?

FU Padres!

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!!!!

#LFGM

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link to game - ( New Window )

In comment 15850346 sshin05 said:

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Links in the first thread already. Here it is again:


NL Wildcard: Game - Padres @ Mets - TV: ESPN - 8:07 pm EST start from Flushing, NY - freestreams - ( New Window )

Wtf

Bullshit call by the HP ump.

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2-0 pads

That’s not good

Can't make it up

To look like he's running out of gas.

What the fucking hell…

guy has been terrible with the Padres…until he plays the Mets

Better show up

Scherzer has a tight zone, now Darvish gets a strike for a pitch low

fell behind 3-1 and the placed the FB in nearly the same exact place as the prior pitch. Yes Bell was 75 OPS+ after the trade.

Get this run home (at the very least)

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Right down the fucking middle!

awful.

Ugh…..

Is how you lose the series

they got this.

not getting a run back there is gonna hurt. Postseason is all about putting the ball in play when you have scoring chances.

They are right on top of each other

lineup 5-9 doesnt scare me at all.

In comment 15850374 MyNameIsMyName said:

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Is how you lose the series

Yep. You get so few opps in the postseason; have to take advantage

I’ve waited so long for Mets playoff baseball and they are down 2-0 off Max Scherzer. Yankee fan laughing at me right now.

In comment 15850378 sshin05 said:

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lineup 5-9 doesnt scare me at all.

They don't Not sure why Max didn't just walk Josh Bell when he was down 3-0 in the count and go on the the next hitter.

In comment 15850378 sshin05 said:

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lineup 5-9 doesnt scare me at all.

Yeah, their lineup is not very deep. Their offense was anemic with Tatis out until they got Soto/Bell and those two struggled with them early on

In comment 15850381 Optimus-NY said:

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In comment 15850378 sshin05 said: Quote: lineup 5-9 doesnt scare me at all. They don't Not sure why Max didn't just walk Josh Bell when he was down 3-0 in the count and go on the the next hitter.

Because its the first inning and a guy who OPS'ed 79. He threw the only mistake really. Profur blooped a single off the end of the bat. Pads are a lot like the Mets in that they are contact oriented team but with less power and worse lineup.

I don't think I want to watch this

WTF

is not a good player and that's a bad pitch.

Fucking asshole.

our hitters miss them, the Braves and Padres hit home runs

Otherwise he can take his 40 million and shove it up his fucking ass..

need better from them in a short series.

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Fucking asshole.

Dude...I mean not to be a jerk here but why are you attacking players and spewing hate..

I don't think Pete wanted to strike out. I don't think Max wanted to give up the HRs...

Youre frustrated, I get it. But why is Max and asshole for giving up a HR?

is not good but he can hit mistakes like that (17 homers). You can't be careless with guys like that.

them look like a fucking joke.

In comment 15850380 Drewcon40 said:

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I’ve waited so long for Mets playoff baseball and they are down 2-0 off Max Scherzer. Yankee fan laughing at me right now.

3-0 now.

JFC

And now this one.

Great stuff.

Not to second guess but why are we not pitching Jacob deGrom again?

back and soon.

This team has missed him so much.

In comment 15850396 moze1021 said:

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In comment 15850389 speedywheels said: Quote: Fucking asshole. Dude...I mean not to be a jerk here but why are you attacking players and spewing hate.. I don't think Pete wanted to strike out. I don't think Max wanted to give up the HRs... Youre frustrated, I get it. But why is Max and asshole for giving up a HR?

Because he’s being paid 40 million to be an “ace”, not give up 2 HR in 3 innings.

In comment 15850403 ryanmkeane said:

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Not to second guess but why are we not pitching Jacob deGrom again?

So hopefully he can pitch twice against the Dodgers

has really backfired.

Degrom, Max and Bassitt all turned in subpar performances (for them). If it was just one guy, you chalk it up to being random.

But 4 subpar starts in a row really suggests that the tinkering has not worked.

But I'm a Mets fan, hope springs eternal.

The Mets' aces haven't pitched like aces the last few weeks.

In comment 15850406 speedywheels said:

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In comment 15850396 moze1021 said: Quote: In comment 15850389 speedywheels said: Quote: Fucking asshole. Dude...I mean not to be a jerk here but why are you attacking players and spewing hate.. I don't think Pete wanted to strike out. I don't think Max wanted to give up the HRs... Youre frustrated, I get it. But why is Max and asshole for giving up a HR? Because he’s being paid 40 million to be an “ace”, not give up 2 HR in 3 innings.

I don't see how that reflects on his character but OK

In comment 15850409 Vanzetti said:

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has really backfired. Degrom, Max and Bassitt all turned in subpar performances (for them). If it was just one guy, you chalk it up to being random. But 4 subpar starts in a row really suggests that the tinkering has not worked.

That said, it's degrom and scherzer. Adjusting their rotation schedule can't be an excuse. They're hall of famers.

it doesnt matter, both are equally good imo. If the mets can come back and pull off this game. We can set up degrom for the dodgers series, if they win tomorrow.

is slow to the plate and SD catchers cant throw ppl out, this is something they can exploit esp with gore late in games.

Pete doesnt get the run in from third, now Cahna doesnt move the runner over

Losing baseball

still choking

With these hitters

again. Scherzer 2 home runs given up in 2 innings and then can’t score a man from 3rd with less than 2 outs in both innings.

Or it doesn't matter whether Max gave up 1 or 50

In comment 15850424 moze1021 said:

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Or it doesn't matter whether Max gave up 1 or 50

The sad thing is, they didn’t even need hits in either inning to get a run home.

Grrrrrrr….

Not even making Darvish throw a lot of pitches.

If you go out of the strike zone the way the Mets are against Darvish, it's going to be a long night.

Compared to Darvish

In comment 15850429 moze1021 said:

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Compared to Darvish

+1

Let’s go bats

“I’m not to tell you”

Oops

Padres statistically are not a good 95+ fastball hitting team

Seems like the game plan was to go after them up in the zone with heat. But Padres seem to be ready for it. That's also not Max's game.

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Come on Mets. Need to make Darvish work.

🙄

For darvish

Easy inning against the top of our lineup

In comment 15850428 Vanzetti said:

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If you go out of the strike zone the way the Mets are against Darvish, it's going to be a long night.

Too easy for Darvish. He might go 9 innings and shut them out

to know better. Have to make Darvish work.

To get out of the inning.

Too much dead weight. More importantly they still don’t have clutch hitters.

They hit in bunches but when we need runs to erase a deficit, they never seem to come.

This game feels like that fucking Braves series.

So frustrating!

it does feel like the brave series. But the Pads arent as good as the braves so I have faith.

big Pete to step up tonight.

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Too much dead weight. More importantly they still don’t have clutch hitters. They hit in bunches but when we need runs to erase a deficit, they never seem to come. This game feels like that fucking Braves series. So frustrating!

I’m not sure how another year will help with the clutch hitting.

McNeil, Alonso, Vogey, Marte, Canha ecobar will all be back (hopefully Nimmo too)

In comment 15850452 GiantBlue said:

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Too much dead weight. More importantly they still don’t have clutch hitters. They hit in bunches but when we need runs to erase a deficit, they never seem to come. This game feels like that fucking Braves series. So frustrating!

With the pending free agents - we may taking a step back. A lot of FAs to sign and no one available (realistically) to improve the team. We may need to ride the youngsters.

Our rotation is going to be a huge question mark.

Coming up small so far.

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just like the Braves series

It's why I didn't trust the offense and wanted them to add real bats.

In comment 15850460 speedywheels said:

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In comment 15850452 GiantBlue said: Quote: Too much dead weight. More importantly they still don’t have clutch hitters. They hit in bunches but when we need runs to erase a deficit, they never seem to come. This game feels like that fucking Braves series. So frustrating! I’m not sure how another year will help with the clutch hitting. McNeil, Alonso, Vogey, Marte, Canha ecobar will all be back (hopefully Nimmo too)

We can’t have Vogey as DH, need an upgrade there

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Too much dead weight. More importantly they still don’t have clutch hitters. They hit in bunches but when we need runs to erase a deficit, they never seem to come. This game feels like that fucking Braves series. So frustrating!

This team is built on half-measures.

Could've been more aggressive with Realmuto, instead signed McCann.

Wasn't aggressive enough to get Josh Bell, traded for Vogelbach.

Could've been more aggressive in promotions for Vientos and Alvarez, waited too long in deference to veterans who weren't performing.

I'm probably being overly critical.

If you don’t get to them early - and they had their chances in the first two innings - they settle and you’re fucked.

is pressing again

And he is being outpitched by freaking Yu Darvish!

We could have brought in some difference makers at the trade deadline and instead brought in a bunch of crap that set us back.

The Padres brought in Soto and the guy (Bell) who crushed the two run homer in the first inning like Swanson and Riley in that Brave series.

When we needed a creative GM, we got a junior HS kid trading baseball cards.

SMH

He may go 9. Going to be a long night.

Marte!

look completely over matched, look like they have no idea what do to at the plate.

Darvish will cruise to a complete game at this pace.

Is terrible work

Darvish was basically the best pitcher in baseball for the last month and a half. Perfect storm of him having it tonight and the Mets just lifeless at the plate again.

In comment 15850469 allstarjim said:

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In comment 15850452 GiantBlue said: Quote: Too much dead weight. More importantly they still don’t have clutch hitters. They hit in bunches but when we need runs to erase a deficit, they never seem to come. This game feels like that fucking Braves series. So frustrating! This team is built on half-measures. Could've been more aggressive with Realmuto, instead signed McCann. Wasn't aggressive enough to get Josh Bell, traded for Vogelbach. Could've been more aggressive in promotions for Vientos and Alvarez, waited too long in deference to veterans who weren't performing. I'm probably being overly critical.

Nope spot on

not surprised with the outcome. Maybe they can tire him out..

Offense not inspiring a lot of confidence.

First two innings. Gotta capitalize on them. Especially with this lineup

is very very good. He's not a chump. 4.2 fWar and that would lead the mets. 13th in MLB

Hate to say it but the game might be over

In comment 15850469 allstarjim said:

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In comment 15850452 GiantBlue said: Quote: Too much dead weight. More importantly they still don’t have clutch hitters. They hit in bunches but when we need runs to erase a deficit, they never seem to come. This game feels like that fucking Braves series. So frustrating! This team is built on half-measures. Could've been more aggressive with Realmuto, instead signed McCann. Wasn't aggressive enough to get Josh Bell, traded for Vogelbach. Could've been more aggressive in promotions for Vientos and Alvarez, waited too long in deference to veterans who weren't performing. I'm probably being overly critical.

Not being overly critical. They fucked in many ways - lack of promos, DH situation, sticking waaaaaay too long with some vets, not addressing the ‘pen….

Been pitching well, tomorrow I don’t see many runs either

In comment 15850469 allstarjim said:

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In comment 15850452 GiantBlue said: Quote: Too much dead weight. More importantly they still don’t have clutch hitters. They hit in bunches but when we need runs to erase a deficit, they never seem to come. This game feels like that fucking Braves series. So frustrating! This team is built on half-measures. Could've been more aggressive with Realmuto, instead signed McCann. Wasn't aggressive enough to get Josh Bell, traded for Vogelbach. Could've been more aggressive in promotions for Vientos and Alvarez, waited too long in deference to veterans who weren't performing. I'm probably being overly critical.

Half measures have been the Alderson way his entire Mets tenure

They have great starting pitching

They are a fantastic team

But maybe unlucky with respect to when they are hot (ie. not now)

Like I've said..it's a crapshoot...doesn't matter if you were a 97 win team or an 88 win team...a rookie pitcher can come in and throw the pitch of a lifetime to a superstar CF and end a season...

Where his mouth is…..

And A GM who came up way short when we needed real energy and infusion to ride out the division.

Naquin
Ruf
Vogelbach

The Braves and Dodgers GM’s are the best in the buz. We need someone to match their skills or we are always going to be looking up at them.

gonna be tough for them. Pete is pressing

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They have great starting pitching They are a fantastic team But maybe unlucky with respect to when they are hot (ie. not now) Like I've said..it's a crapshoot...doesn't matter if you were a 97 win team or an 88 win team...a rookie pitcher can come in and throw the pitch of a lifetime to a superstar CF and end a season...

They are choking. They did it most of September and are doing it tonight. Stop trying to euphemism it away

The fucking Phillies are probably going to advance and unless we figure things out tonight, we won’t.

That is why this bye was so damn important.

Unreal

have an opt out too?

what a disaster

Hearing about how the Pads are not as good as the Mets.

Reputations and career accomplishments don't matter right now. Right now, I feel like they have the better rotation at the moment.

Scherzer last October had a dead arm. Here we are in October and he hasn't been the same for a few weeks.

And the Mets are now getting blown out.

scherzer out

mets fans

If they can somehow win the next 2 he can start vs Dodgers

would have helped, but at this rate it would just have delayed the Mets playoff exit for a week.

Wow!

Just Wow!

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have an opt out too? what a disaster

lol

Unbelievable.

Another collapse. This franchise uggghhh

Phuq you Max.

let them down.

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The fucking Phillies are probably going to advance and unless we figure things out tonight, we won’t. That is why this bye was so damn important.

Oh, not according to Moze and Chris. They kept telling us it didnt matter, just relax, everything will be OK

Is it still OK? Can we call it a choke now?

I know this isn't what you wanted..

Visions of Glavine meltdown..lol

Sit down mofo.

Find news way to disappoint their fans. This year in particular though is setting up to a real special kind of disappointment.

Yes the offense sucks, but when your “ace” pitcher getting paid 40 million gives up SIX runs in less than 5 innings, there’s not a whole lot you can do.

Jake better be the “old” Jake tomorrow.

I’ll bet $ 100 that we’ll here about some “injury” that max supposedly has when the season ends

and perhaps season over.

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In comment 15850495 GiantBlue said: Quote: The fucking Phillies are probably going to advance and unless we figure things out tonight, we won’t. That is why this bye was so damn important. Oh, not according to Moze and Chris. They kept telling us it didnt matter, just relax, everything will be OK Is it still OK? Can we call it a choke now?

I never said that!!

Losing the bye was MASSIVE!! I never said otherwise!!

I DID say it had nothing to do with stamina or rest..and everything to do with just another opportunity for a team to beat you

The NL is stacked. All the playoff teams are good, really good

In comment 15850521 MyNameIsMyName said:

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The NL is stacked. All the playoff teams are good, really good

+1

Jacob deGrom should have started game 1.

In reality your stars have to perform. We paid Scherzer 43 million per season for THIS game. Not the season. Not against the Nats...

Scherzer, deGrom, Bassitt, Alonso, Lindor all coming up small when it matters most.

They've ruined us.

Talk about Scherzer's spin rates are down. That's everything.

time to be honest. Team built around an old diminished mercenary SP and an injury plagued SP who's best years are both behind them. Also an offense that plays station to station and often needs 3-4 hits to score a run in an inning. Time to rethink this whole situation Mr. Cohen.

I was right all along...

I kept saying they didn't need to sweep teams, they just needed to win 2/3..

They didn't do that...and here we are

In comment 15850522 Optimus-NY said:

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In comment 15850521 MyNameIsMyName said: Quote: The NL is stacked. All the playoff teams are good, really good +1

100%

of a playoff game...at home...SMFH.

In comment 15850518 speedywheels said:

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Yes the offense sucks, but when your “ace” pitcher getting paid 40 million gives up SIX runs in less than 5 innings, there’s not a whole lot you can do. Jake better be the “old” Jake tomorrow. I’ll bet $ 100 that we’ll here about some “injury” that max supposedly has when the season ends

He seemed to be struggling in the bullpen warmup...

🙄🙄😡😡

would have done better...

Will actually break my will. I’m 47 with a 15 year old Met fanatic. Perception is reality and lolMets is real.

Need a better plan next game

you think this team was getting past the Dodgers or Braves??? This is probably merciful

We shouldn’t have expected this year to be any different, i guess

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Injuries or not. He hurt this team tonight. At least Escobar showed up.

In comment 15850526 ZGiants98 said:

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In reality your stars have to perform. We paid Scherzer 43 million per season for THIS game. Not the season. Not against the Nats... Scherzer, deGrom, Bassitt, Alonso, Lindor all coming up small when it matters most. They've ruined us.

Yep. As much as the offense has come up small, it’s the pitching that has really shit the bed.

Max is getting paid the huge bucks and had all the playoff experience, and he’s been by far the worst offender.

To disappoint their fans. This year in particular will be an impressive level of disappointment.

I thought we were headed towards a culture change. I’ll never switch teams but personally I’m finding it difficult to be excited for the future.

This …after last weekend and the entire month of September was very predictable…frankly spending 400million dollars does not win a championship

As much as a met fan I am I will root for the low payroll teams going forward

shouldn't have been put on the arm of a 37 year old pitcher.

If you are going to do that, then go all out to build a beast of a lineup, because a 37 year old arm is not here for long.

In comment 15850551 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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shouldn't have been put on the arm of a 37 year old pitcher. If you are going to do that, then go all out to build a beast of a lineup, because a 37 year old arm is not here for long.

Darvish is 36, he seems to be pitching fine. Is it the 1 year?

If the Mets miraculously win this series, do you shut Scherzer down?

In comment 15850551 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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shouldn't have been put on the arm of a 37 year old pitcher. If you are going to do that, then go all out to build a beast of a lineup, because a 37 year old arm is not here for long.

38

no surprise. He and Pete continue to choke

Our best players have been shit when it counts

but he wont be top 3

…category. Why would a free agent ever choose to come here? Yes I’m thinking of Aaron Judge.

Pitches are up, spin rate is down, not throwing his cutter, he’s trying to gut it out. Not making excuses for Max, but you have runners on 1st & 3rd and you look at a spinner over the middle of the plate? They’ve come up really empty offensively in big games.

Let’s see what Jake gives us tomorrow, shutting them down would reestablish him as the best pitcher in MLB.

He was very good all season except against the Braves (when it counted).

He did the same thing last year with the Dodgers with the "tired arm," What pitcher does not have a tired arm by October?

He is coming up small. So is Lindor. might be the pressure of the contracts.

It would be embarrassing to sign a Yankee off a WS team. It would just fuel the ridicule.

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…category. Why would a free agent ever choose to come here? Yes I’m thinking of Aaron Judge.

$$$$$$

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In comment 15850559 Drewcon40 said: Quote: …category. Why would a free agent ever choose to come here? Yes I’m thinking of Aaron Judge. $$$$$$

I doubt it - only we love the Mets the way we do. Cohen won’t offer enough. It’s all a pipe dream anyway.

In comment 15850554 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15850551 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: shouldn't have been put on the arm of a 37 year old pitcher. If you are going to do that, then go all out to build a beast of a lineup, because a 37 year old arm is not here for long. Darvish is 36, he seems to be pitching fine. Is it the 1 year?

Sticking with Scherzer, yeah, maybe it is. Because the Scherzer was fine last season and now he looks out of gas when needed.

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Pitches are up, spin rate is down, not throwing his cutter, he’s trying to gut it out. Not making excuses for Max, but you have runners on 1st & 3rd and you look at a spinner over the middle of the plate? They’ve come up really empty offensively in big games.

I doubt it to be honest. He doesn't hide injuries. He took himself out this season. He wouldn't take the ball with the season on the line for the Dodgers because of an injury.

There's no real history in his career that he is the guy to try to push through things. I just think he sucked. His best outing since returning was in Milwaukee. Each time after has been worse.

In comment 15850565 Drewcon40 said:

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In comment 15850563 Vanzetti said: Quote: In comment 15850559 Drewcon40 said: Quote: …category. Why would a free agent ever choose to come here? Yes I’m thinking of Aaron Judge. $$$$$$ I doubt it - only we love the Mets the way we do. Cohen won’t offer enough. It’s all a pipe dream anyway.

I don't think it will happen either. But Cohen can definitely get him if he offers enough.

It might depend on whether Mets still take the "win now" with Max and Jake approach.

WTF??

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WTF??

Nah go easy on the rest Rob - that was on me - I used Judge as an example free agent. I know the timing is not the greatest.

Or anyone wants to buy a chAmpionship…never liked it when we would not spend a penny with Wilpon like it no more because our new owner can spend a billion bucks….

and move on. This is not over.

I don't think anyone would take that contract.

The question is do you pay deGrom after this finish?

It seemed unthinkable 2 months ago. He was tremendous in August.

Now...how do you want to spend $40M per season?

Will he even get that on the open market after the finish to this season?

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and move on. This is not over.

“Not a Mets fan” this is probably why you have more confidence than us.

Great AB

Hopefully this inspires something in this team

And yes!! Win tomorrow and get to Sunday!!

Scherzer tonight.

the entire team is choking

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Great AB Hopefully this inspires something in this team And yes!! Win tomorrow and get to Sunday!!

Tell me you're under 25 without telling me you're under 25.

Nimmo is a guy who looks great for a lot of stretches during the regular season but then when it counts, he seems to come back down to earth.

Tomorrow we’ll have to hold them under 3 to win. Hard task for this Offense

In comment 15850598 ryanmkeane said:

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Nimmo is a guy who looks great for a lot of stretches during the regular season but then when it counts, he seems to come back down to earth.

I don't know. I'd give Nimmo a break. He has a triple tonight and he went 4-12 with a walk in the Braves series.

In comment 15850603 allstarjim said:

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In comment 15850598 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Nimmo is a guy who looks great for a lot of stretches during the regular season but then when it counts, he seems to come back down to earth. I don't know. I'd give Nimmo a break. He has a triple tonight and he went 4-12 with a walk in the Braves series.

I would NOT resign him

I let him walk.

Nimmo love. He’s ok, we can upgrade there

In comment 15850603 allstarjim said:

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In comment 15850598 ryanmkeane said: Quote: Nimmo is a guy who looks great for a lot of stretches during the regular season but then when it counts, he seems to come back down to earth. I don't know. I'd give Nimmo a break. He has a triple tonight and he went 4-12 with a walk in the Braves series.

In fact this entire bunch of stiffs spit the bit down the stretch
deGrom, Scherzer, The other starters and Alonso, Lindor, Nimmo.

Am I Wrong?

Not a 1 or 5 game choke job...the entire month of September.

Not here to over react just an observation.

My lord...this is like a bad dream

If you watch everyday you know you can't ask for much more in a baseball player. Sheesh..

Unbelievable

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In comment 15850588 moze1021 said: Quote: Great AB Hopefully this inspires something in this team And yes!! Win tomorrow and get to Sunday!! Tell me you're under 25 without telling me you're under 25.

?? Tomorrow is my bday..I'm turning 38

What was the point of the post?

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My lord...this is like a bad dream If you watch everyday you know you can't ask for much more in a baseball player. Sheesh.. Unbelievable

Moze...
I love him, but as a free agent if he is going to ask for the moon...we can lose with or without him...

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My lord...this is like a bad dream If you watch everyday you know you can't ask for much more in a baseball player. Sheesh.. Unbelievable

+1. It's despicable.

In comment 15850614 moze1021 said:

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In comment 15850597 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 15850588 moze1021 said: Quote: Great AB Hopefully this inspires something in this team And yes!! Win tomorrow and get to Sunday!! Tell me you're under 25 without telling me you're under 25. ?? Tomorrow is my bday..I'm turning 38 What was the point of the post?

I've been watching Mete baseball religiously since 1992...so it's been 30 years of this for me..

But not quite sure what you're insinuating

Was in fact real. We peaked too early. Highest payroll in baseball. To whom much is given, much is expected. Pitiful.

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Great to see.

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Great to see.

Escobar played well..McNeil hit ball hard

Hopefully deGrom, Lindor, and Pete can step up tomorrow

In comment 15850617 moze1021 said:

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In comment 15850614 moze1021 said: Quote: In comment 15850597 allstarjim said: Quote: In comment 15850588 moze1021 said: Quote: Great AB Hopefully this inspires something in this team And yes!! Win tomorrow and get to Sunday!! Tell me you're under 25 without telling me you're under 25. ?? Tomorrow is my bday..I'm turning 38 What was the point of the post? I've been watching Mete baseball religiously since 1992...so it's been 30 years of this for me.. But not quite sure what you're insinuating

Oh man, it was nothing personal. It was a joke about your unbridled optimism in the Mets and how they haven't crushed your spirit yet (hence you must not have experienced as much repeated soul-crushing disappointment yet). Just trying to be funny because that's my coping mechanism for being a Mets' fan. LOL

They have lost their spirit.....Scherzer did not have it but again they did not pick him up....degrom....they dont score for him

Happy Birthday! Hope you have a great one celebrating your birthday and a Mets win!

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They have lost their spirit.....Scherzer did not have it but again they did not pick him up....degrom....they dont score for him

They didn't pick him up??? He gave up 7 fucking runs in 4 innings!

In comment 15850633 HewlettGiant said:

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They have lost their spirit.....Scherzer did not have it but again they did not pick him up....degrom....they dont score for him

I actually think Mets win tomorrow. Backs against the wall.

Not sure about Sunday. Bassitt has had a good year but I don't have faith in him in a big game against high level competition. Leaving Walker/Carrasco off the roster for mediocre relievers like Givens and Drew Smith is the height of folly to me. I think it might come back to bite them

Slump?
This is not a 1 game issue or 1 week issue, we have been fading for a while and degrom has not been lights out recently

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Happy Birthday! Hope you have a great one celebrating your birthday and a Mets win!

Haha thanks..

And on the optimism..idk if it's that or just I know it can't get worse than whats already happened...

I started my fandom with teams losing 90-100 games in early 90s, I suffered through losing 2000 world series in a high school that was 90% Yankee fans, the '06 team crushed me because I was never more sure of a team, then I had to go through the '07 collapse while living IN PHILLY!!, then had to watch them win in '08, and THEN my favorite player was forced to walk to a division rival because of a Ponzi scheme... this is just a snippet of course, so much more

So yeah...101 win season and maybe losing in the playoffs to a very good Padre team... Not so bad

In comment 15850646 moze1021 said:

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In comment 15850639 allstarjim said: Quote: Happy Birthday! Hope you have a great one celebrating your birthday and a Mets win! Haha thanks.. And on the optimism..idk if it's that or just I know it can't get worse than whats already happened... I started my fandom with teams losing 90-100 games in early 90s, I suffered through losing 2000 world series in a high school that was 90% Yankee fans, the '06 team crushed me because I was never more sure of a team, then I had to go through the '07 collapse while living IN PHILLY!!, then had to watch them win in '08, and THEN my favorite player was forced to walk to a division rival because of a Ponzi scheme... this is just a snippet of course, so much more So yeah...101 win season and maybe losing in the playoffs to a very good Padre team... Not so bad

I don't even know what to say...

Max Glavine

didnt work out very well

This Mets season was like the Rangers season, and I said in April if the Rangers lost in the first round it would have ruined the season

Same with the Mets this weekend. You cant miss the playoffs for years, have a huge season, then lose first round in the playoffs

Has to right? Yankees fan btw bit bucks rolling the dice on someone else?

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So yeah...101 win season and maybe losing in the playoffs to a very good Padre team... Not so bad

Wow, I've been a lurker this season, but really? Pathetic.

So I've got no skin in this game, but I just wanted to throw this out there.

It's my understanding that this is only Steve Cohen's second year of having a controlling interest in the Mets. In only his second season, the Mets broke out as one of the premier teams in all of major league baseball.

In other words, win or lose this series, you've now got an owner who will keep this team in the top tier of baseball for what promises to be many years into the future.

Good luck Game 2.

In comment 15850676 M.S. said:

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So I've got no skin in this game, but I just wanted to throw this out there. It's my understanding that this is only Steve Cohen's second year of having a controlling interest in the Mets. In only his second season, the Mets broke out as one of the premier teams in all of major league baseball. In other words, win or lose this series, you've now got an owner who will keep this team in the top tier of baseball for what promises to be many years into the future. Good luck Game 2.

M.S. appreciate it but I’m not sure even Cohen’s ownership can overcome the Mets futility. I appreciate 101 wins but this is very 1988-esque.

I applaud my fellow Mets fans who remain positive-I’m not sure if I could muster up excitement for 2023.

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In comment 15850646 moze1021 said: Quote: So yeah...101 win season and maybe losing in the playoffs to a very good Padre team... Not so bad Wow, I've been a lurker this season, but really? Pathetic.

Lol omg did you read my post...its terrible, but it's nothing close to the other things I listed... I'm already broken, the team can't break me anymore

It was a fun regular season, most of it atleast. I see the season coming to an end tonight. Can’t see them getting many runs off of Snell unfortunately.

at least 3 runs to win any game. The earlier the better.

In comment 15850561 Vanzetti said:

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He was very good all season except against the Braves (when it counted). He did the same thing last year with the Dodgers with the "tired arm," What pitcher does not have a tired arm by October? He is coming up small. So is Lindor. might be the pressure of the contracts.

He actually pitched pretty well for the Dodgers last postseason. 16.2 innings, 2.22 ERA, 4 runs, 10 hits, 5 BB and 23K

Can we please change the thread title fir game two?
We need any but if good luck we can muster here.

In comment 15850755 Shecky said:

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Can we please change the thread title fir game two? We need any but if good luck we can muster here.

What would you like? It won't change what deGrom is gonna do.

And obviously didn't have it last night. I actually thought he pitched a little better last night than in Atlanta, but the balls kept going over the wall.

He's getting old and he's going to be physically inconsistent. You can't question his mentality - the guy is an animal and has done well in plenty of big games.

Based on game 1 and what we did against ATL, this team just doesn't have it now. If we're getting mediocre starts from Max and Jake, zero from Alonso, and not hitting with RISP, we're really not that good. If this is who we are now, the bye didn't matter - we can't win like this.

Sometimes you get hot in October. Sometimes you go cold. Unfortunately we look like the latter.

In comment 15850757 Optimus-NY said:

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In comment 15850755 Shecky said: Quote: Can we please change the thread title fir game two? We need any but if good luck we can muster here. What would you like? It won't change what deGrom is gonna do.

Simple - just name the thread “Freaking Mets!” and be done with it.

i was 100% a buck guy from before they hired him and didnt buy the whole 'cant win in postseason thing' but maybe there is something to it. the team has played with 0 urgency for the last 6 weeks. basically since the canha game. the only other competent managers they've had in the last 2 decades to compare to were valentine and collins and i think both of them would have been a lot more fired up in this situation.

alonso is over swinging and did the same in the atlanta series. he had 0 rbis and 0 xbh in the last week of the season.

vogey is a really limited player - smack in the middle of the lineup - who simply doesn't hit for as much power as someone in his profile should. just 2 homers in the last month even though he hit for .311 over that time. the problem is him hitting singles is pointless because it takes 3 hits behind him to get him home. in his last 17 games he got on base 23 times but scored just 4 of them (not counting homers).

it's hard to win if your best players dont show up and our best players haven't shown up when it's mattered most. lindor, alonso, sherzer, jdg specificially. by next year that quartet may be on contracts totaling $1bn and unfortunately the return has been 0 when things mattered most. jdg has to go out and change that narrative tonight or it will just be another chapter of disappointment tacked on to the resumes of the 5 aces. maybe the final chapter.

Freaking Mets :)

But I'm afraid I may be the bad luck charm.

I've been to three Mad Max games at Citi now, and the Mets are 0-3. :/

If we ever needed the real DeGrom to show up, it's now. #LGM

You wanna make a "freaking mets" title, then have it. I'm not doing it. It sounds dumb AF anyway.

You need two to move on.

Winning tonight has nothing to do with last night.

One game at a time. No reason to not be excited with deGrom throwing….regardless with what Max did.

Just win….

I don't think the season is over yet, but...

if the Mets lose tonight and deGrom shits the bed and then opts out, how much do you really want to re-sign him?

the Mets already have $40M tied up for Scherzer to make 23 starts and come up small, is it worth it to spend another $40M for deGrom's dozen starts?

Especially with Scherzer coming up small in his two biggest starts as a Met.

Not sure who you replace deGrom with, but at some point the cost for him won't be worth the fragility.

In comment 15850899 pjcas18 said:

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I don't think the season is over yet, but... if the Mets lose tonight and deGrom shits the bed and then opts out, how much do you really want to re-sign him? the Mets already have $40M tied up for Scherzer to make 23 starts and come up small, is it worth it to spend another $40M for deGrom's dozen starts? Especially with Scherzer coming up small in his two biggest starts as a Met. Not sure who you replace deGrom with, but at some point the cost for him won't be worth the fragility.

Well, with zero SP prospects on the horizon, they would probably have to spend significantly to even begin to replace him anyway

deGrom opts out and Carlos Rodon opts out (as expected).

Rodon had injury issues too (which lead to his 2 year deal in SF), but they appear to be behind him.

If Rodon is healthy who would you rather spend FA $$ on?

In comment 15850907 pjcas18 said:

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deGrom opts out and Carlos Rodon opts out (as expected). Rodon had injury issues too (which lead to his 2 year deal in SF), but they appear to be behind him. If Rodon is healthy who would you rather spend FA $$ on?

it's a good question. and rodon aside, what's a better use of $44mx3 years?

Bassitt = $20m
Walker = $13m
Carrasco (or other) = $11m (or less/other player)

im just guessing on JDG's next contract but i have to think he's going to be shooting for the scherzer deal and probably get close (maybe more years, lower aav).

a lot riding on tonight's game. this team is a 100% win now group as currently constructed. if they don't win i think they have to think hard about a restructuring, and if we learned anything this year it may be that you dont need 2 aces to be a 100+ team (pre august team).

and even with 2 aces you may not be a 100+ win team if nobody hits (post august team).

for this year, not even just "win now" which sometimes means the immediate future. which is why not "going for it" at the deadline was more frustrating even than last year's miscalculation.

the whole rotation except Scherzer are free agents with opt outs (and Carrasco has a team option)

Diaz is a FA
Nimmo is a FA
May is a FA
Lugo is a FA
Ottavino is a FA

you are right, a lot riding on tonight and hopefully the rest of this post-season

going for it. they gave up a pretty good haul of players for vogey, naquin, and ruf. they went for it they just didn't get it right, and it so happened that it was year where there weren't many good hitters traded. Bell came through yesterday but he hit worse for the Pads than Naquin did here. Far worse than Vogey.

the only players who would have made a big difference were contreras/robertson and the cubs didn't trade contreras. this week it came out that they offered their 6th best prospect to the cubs (which means 1 of baty, alvarez, vientos, ramirez, mauricio, allen).

at the deadline DMM said he heard from someone they offered Mauricio. if that's true they actually offered more than PCA was worth last year (imo). PCA was injured and basically pre-debut last year. Mauricio was 21 in AA this year and hit at a 30+/30+/100+ pace at SS.

iglesias is the only other id consider a big miss. he changed atlanta and without him they dont win division. not sure what it would have taken to get him but that was a miss, and im not sure it would have changed much for the mets the last 2 months because they barely had to use Diaz as it was.

Tim Healey @timbhealey
Darin Ruf is the Mets' DH against lefthander Blake Snell tonight.

In comment 15850943 Eric on Li said:

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Tim Healey @timbhealey Darin Ruf is the Mets' DH against lefthander Blake Snell tonight.

Unserious.

In comment 15850943 Eric on Li said:

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Tim Healey @timbhealey Darin Ruf is the Mets' DH against lefthander Blake Snell tonight.

Haha, sigh.

Big game James, or small game Jake... I think we'll have to re-sign him regardless of tonight's outcome. Or try to sign him, at least. Front line pitching, is still the name of the game. Especially with the game changes coming next season.

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In comment 15850943 Eric on Li said: Quote: Tim Healey @timbhealey Darin Ruf is the Mets' DH against lefthander Blake Snell tonight. Unserious.

the cherry on top of the post deadline mismanagement cake.

i will obviously root like crazy for the ruf rider to prove us all wrong but if he does his usual 0/3 with a few left on base in a close loss to end the season it will be the exclamation point on the wasted opportunity that was this year.

go for it at the deadline IMO because they didn't address their biggest team needs.

bullpen was the biggest one going in and rotation depth another, and sometimes overpaying, when your team is a contender, is ok.

the PCA thing, I hate to rehash it, wasn't about *just* about his worth it was about giving up any assets for a rental when the odds were clearly stacked against competing despite where they were in the standings at the time. It was unlikely given the state of the rotation even if they somehow made the playoffs they would be competitive in the playoffs. If I'm in charge I don't wave a white flag, but I certainly wouldn't have been a buyer.

anyway, I was disappointed at the deadline but reality is Scherzer and Bassitt (and to a lesser extent deGrom) - the ones I felt like were the reliable pieces to build around for the run/playoffs - are the ones who let us down the most.

In comment 15850949 Spider43 said:

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In comment 15850943 Eric on Li said: Quote: Tim Healey @timbhealey Darin Ruf is the Mets' DH against lefthander Blake Snell tonight. Haha, sigh. Big game James, or small game Jake... I think we'll have to re-sign him regardless of tonight's outcome. Or try to sign him, at least. Front line pitching, is still the name of the game. Especially with the game changes coming next season.

i dont think there's any world where they dont try to resign him, and honestly im not so sure how robust his market is going to be. the braves are oft mentioned but they just extended morton for 20m per, and they have strider, fried, wright, soroka.

are they upping their payroll and making him one of the highest paid players in the game? maybe. but they'd have to way beyond their current payroll to do that.

the lad or nyy could, or tex, but none get him geographically in the area that supposedly has an advantage on the mets. so if the mets just match or go $1 whatever the biggest offer is, is he leaving just out of spite?

i guess we'll see what happens but i do think whatever happens tonight has as much impact on any player's market as 1 single game can.

Lol

Unreal that he is getting the start over Alvarez or Vientos (who I would have picked if Ruf as DH was the plan, not just as extra OFer and last ditch rh bat)

Then some NL pitchers used to have. If he was ever to prove people wrong this is the time to do it. Postseason baseball does usually produce unforeseen heroes. So one never knows....I guess.

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go for it at the deadline IMO because they didn't address their biggest team needs. bullpen was the biggest one going in and rotation depth another, and sometimes overpaying, when your team is a contender, is ok. the PCA thing, I hate to rehash it, wasn't about *just* about his worth it was about giving up any assets for a rental when the odds were clearly stacked against competing despite where they were in the standings at the time. It was unlikely given the state of the rotation even if they somehow made the playoffs they would be competitive in the playoffs. If I'm in charge I don't wave a white flag, but I certainly wouldn't have been a buyer. anyway, I was disappointed at the deadline but reality is Scherzer and Bassitt (and to a lesser extent deGrom) - the ones I felt like were the reliable pieces to build around for the run/playoffs - are the ones who let us down the most.

you get the deadline you get in terms of what's available not the one you want. they needed a hitter and i think it is a fact that other than soto, no hitter who was traded hit better than vogelbach. who were you adding that had a better 2nd half than vogelbach?

the only one who would have made a difference is contreras, and they supposedly offered the cubs 1 of their top 6.

their mistake was not signing schwarber in the offseason. 4x79m was a very reasonable deal for a guy who would have hit 40+ homers behind alonso. they were 1 move short on finishing this roster (and ironically got the exact amount that had to be wasted on cano thanks to the wilponzis/bvw).

if any one is looking to attend tonight's game.

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a big hit tonight and big playoffs after would be one heck of a folk tale.

and relievers traded at the deadline, not sure what you're talking about. the Mets should have been in on them and overpaid to get them.

I would have been fine rolling with the lineup as is, mainly because there is precedent with teams built around pitching (and to an extent defense) winning world series.

My approach would have been to add one of the TOR or close to it starters and the best reliever or two.

and then win or lose I would have felt like the Mets got it, they understood what they have in their team and did what it takes to fortify that.

As it turns out I was wrong, but only because of how small Scherzer, Bassitt and deGrom came up down the stretch. it's not even like the bullpen had a chance to implode - the starters did it for them.

it can be turned around obviously, but not a lot of time for that to happen.

and has looked overmatched vs good pitching. Ruf hasnt played in 2 weeks and has been terrible

No great options. Going with the veteran who has done it in the past vs the rookie just called up who hasnt done anything yet, has had bad at bats vs good pitching, and has never faced this kind of pressure (in front of 42,000 people no less)

iglesias being the main one i mentioned above. or overpaying all the crap they gave up for Ruf for Robertson. They failed hard in the BP, especially after eppler's stupid "robust market" comment, i just think that ended up not biting them too much because they had so few leads. the BP had the fewest blow saves in the majors in the 2nd half with only 2.

so the biggest reason i think iglesias would have helped the mets is making the braves worse. i dont think any pitcher would have changed much in terms of how the mets played, even in the bullpen, because they simply didn't hit enough to get leads (which is why diaz pitched so little).

as a team their pitching staff had the 2nd best FIP/XFIP in the second half to only houston.

their starters were 3rd behind only HOU/SFG (and ahead of ATL, with almost the same ERA as ATL starters).

in addition to not blowing saves their relievers were tied with Atlanta's for 5th best in FIP and a little better in XFIP (ATL's BP ERA was better, which is largely thanks to iglesias' .34 era as a brave).

here were the mets starters in the 2nd half - you can see none of them pitched that bad and depth wasn't an issue so while the difference of 1 game could have come from anywhere it was far more likely to come from hitters improvement. max and jdg were only 2 games over .500 and pitched far better than guys like castillo/montas yet walker and carrasco were each 2 games over .500 because no matter how good you pitch you cant win if hitters dont hit.



this season like last august falls on the feet of the hitters just not getting clutch hits. you want 1 stat to sum up this season i'd bet it is their numbers with RISP in the first half vs. the second half. i can't find them split out but they finished 6th in OPS w/ RISP for the year but im pretty sure through most of the first half they were 1st and had a big dropoff from mid-august on.

after he royally screwed up last year with Baez. So the top players at the deadline went elsewhere to teams willing to pay

Would have been a difference maker. According to recent reports, the Cubs supposedly were frustrated with what the Mets were offering and there was very little conversation near the deadline. Eppler deserves a ton of heat but if you don’t think Buck was a big part of the decision making process you are very naive.

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Would have been a difference maker. According to recent reports, the Cubs supposedly were frustrated with what the Mets were offering and there was very little conversation near the deadline. Eppler deserves a ton of heat but if you don’t think Buck was a big part of the decision making process you are very naive.

Alderson did several interviews pre and post deadline telling everyone what they were going to do and what they did. Eppler did one. So who was in charge?

Look at how the deadline went down - all of it was Alderson's MO. Late moves at the final minute, refusing to trade top assets because Alderson himself said he wouldnt after he screwed up last year with Baez, acquiring secondary pieces instead of landing top pieces, screwing up the bullpen (as he has done his entire decade with the Mets), acquiring a guy like Naquin who is the perfect Alderson player (lots of Ks, a few HRs, not much contact)

Every move and non-move screams Alderson, and he was the one who gave the pre-deadline interviews spelling out what was going to happen, and did post interviews as well

which is another hallmark of Alderson's Mets tenure - always leaving the bench short because he is incapable of making decisions

1. Starting Pitching
2. Lack of power
3. Failure to hit in the clutch

But carry on anyway about the bullpen...

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1. Starting Pitching 2. Lack of power 3. Failure to hit in the clutch But carry on anyway about the bullpen...

good post.

if we had production from our DHs, as in many more hits. They tried to be smarter than the room with under the radar guys - another Alderson trademark - instead of paying the freight for top of the market talent, and it failed badly

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Would have been a difference maker. According to recent reports, the Cubs supposedly were frustrated with what the Mets were offering and there was very little conversation near the deadline. Eppler deserves a ton of heat but if you don’t think Buck was a big part of the decision making process you are very naive.

it was reported this week they offered 1 of their top 6 prospects and got turned down. dmm said he heard they offered mauricio. obviously they weren't trading Alvarez or Baty, so it was 1 of vientos/mauricio/ramirez/allan and any of them would have been as aggressive a trade for a rental as PCA last year.

the cubs can be frustrated with whatever they want but ultimately nobody met their price. the red sox traded vazquez to houston for a lot less than the mets 6th best prospect. these are their first half numbers and had vazquez not tanked post-deadline, that would have been the deal we regretted passing up. though promoting alvarez earlier was really the biggest oversight because it looks like he may have really been able to contribute if they'd given him a fighting chance.

This is what Heyman wrote:

"sources say they did offer the player they have ranked as No. 6 in their organization."

So they offered #6, not someone in the top 6

Also from the article:

"Rivals say the Mets mostly offered third-tier prospects. Two players they were said to dangle were pitcher Jose Butto and outfielder Khalil Lee. One question is why not offer Mark Vientos, whose No. 5 ranking in the organization made him valuable at a time some Mets themselves question his overall value due to his position issue?"

Which is exactly what I said at the deadline - use Vientos as a trade chip

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So they offered #6, not someone in the top 6

how can someone be both #6 and "not someone in the top 6"?

we have no idea how the mets rank their top 6 outside of the obvious nor who the CHC would have accepted - all we know is 3 are unanimously top 100 prospects right now and 3 have been top 100 prospects within the last couple cycles.

Allan hasn't pitched since 2019 so i'd have a hard time ranking a guy who hasn't pitched in 3 years above any of the 5 healthy position players. but any of the 6 would have been an aggressive give for a rental just as PCA (also injured) was. nobody met the cubs pricetag for contreras so it's harder to blame the mets for not getting him than say robertson.

Congrats to the Guardians-who name is still lame AF-on advancing to the ALDS.

In comment 15851047 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15851040 Snablats said: Quote: So they offered #6, not someone in the top 6 how can someone be both #6 and "not someone in the top 6"? we have no idea how the mets rank their top 6 outside of the obvious nor who the CHC would have accepted - all we know is 3 are unanimously top 100 prospects right now and 3 have been top 100 prospects within the last couple cycles. Allan hasn't pitched since 2019 so i'd have a hard time ranking a guy who hasn't pitched in 3 years above any of the 5 healthy position players. but any of the 6 would have been an aggressive give for a rental just as PCA (also injured) was. nobody met the cubs pricetag for contreras so it's harder to blame the mets for not getting him than say robertson.

You were saying someone in the top 6, as if its Alvarez or Baty, which clearly wasnt the case

In comment 15851049 Snablats said:

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In comment 15851047 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 15851040 Snablats said: Quote: So they offered #6, not someone in the top 6 how can someone be both #6 and "not someone in the top 6"? we have no idea how the mets rank their top 6 outside of the obvious nor who the CHC would have accepted - all we know is 3 are unanimously top 100 prospects right now and 3 have been top 100 prospects within the last couple cycles. Allan hasn't pitched since 2019 so i'd have a hard time ranking a guy who hasn't pitched in 3 years above any of the 5 healthy position players. but any of the 6 would have been an aggressive give for a rental just as PCA (also injured) was. nobody met the cubs pricetag for contreras so it's harder to blame the mets for not getting him than say robertson. You were saying someone in the top 6, as if its Alvarez or Baty, which clearly wasnt the case

you think i thought the mets not only offered the cubs alvarez or baty for contreras, but that the cubs were stupid enough to turn that down and then later complain about the mets offers?

When the fact is they offered number six. That's a big difference

Either way they blew it by not giving up better prospects to get better players

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Would have been a difference maker. According to recent reports, the Cubs supposedly were frustrated with what the Mets were offering and there was very little conversation near the deadline. Eppler deserves a ton of heat but if you don’t think Buck was a big part of the decision making process you are very naive.

Given that the Cubbies didn’t trade him, my guess is that their asking price was really high. With Alvarez close, it would have been crazy to empty the farm for Contreras.

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In comment 15851019 Rob in Rockaway said: Quote: 1. Starting Pitching 2. Lack of power 3. Failure to hit in the clutch But carry on anyway about the bullpen... good post.

Fucking NERD!