NFT: NL Wildcard - Game 2: Padres @ Mets - 7:37 pm EST start

They go on to face the Braves in the NLDS. Could have been facing the Met. SMFH.

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In comment 15851599 Optimus-NY said: Quote: See below... Phillies and Cardinals - Game 2 - ( New Window ) It's over, Phillies won, 2-0

Bad news for the Braves. this is a dangerous Phillies team with great pitching.

Jake, Lindor, Pete all step up

McNeil and Nimmo keep it up

Huge win.

Let's get it tomorrow and head to LA!

In comment 15851604 spike said:

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In comment 15851602 Dennis said: Quote: In comment 15851599 Optimus-NY said: Quote: See below... Phillies and Cardinals - Game 2 - ( New Window ) It's over, Phillies won, 2-0 Bad news for the Braves. this is a dangerous Phillies team with great pitching.

Ranger Suarez is dangerous.

I won't be surprised at all if they beat the Braves.

ESPN again.

I wanted to see the Braves play the Phils as that matchup definitely intrigues me and figures to be tricky for Atlanta in the division. Also selfishly I prefer tomorrow’s game starting at 7 instead of 4.

Does anyone ever remember him throwing that hard?

96 is the highest I remember.

That curveball for strike two was unhittable. One of the best Seth has ever thrown as a Met. He really stepped up tonight

That was a huge mistake leaving off all the guys who could give you length out of the pen.

Bad luck for Joely. He was pitching his best ball of the season the last couple of weeks

If the Mets hung on to win the division, like they should have, then they'd be facing the Phillies with homefield advantage and fully rested instead of sweating Game 3 tomorrow and looking forward to facing the Dodgers in LA, with them having homefield and being spent pitching-wise w/sub optimal starters.

In comment 15851609 Optimus-NY said:

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ESPN again.

I watched the last 4 innings with radio broadcast synched up and it was sooo much better. Highly recommended...

In comment 15851598 Greg from LI said:

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Same shit he did as a Yankee. Throw a million sliders way off the plate hoping someone chases.

He’s been money all year, I’m willing to overlook tonight.

In comment 15851614 Vanzetti said:

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That was a huge mistake leaving off all the guys who could give you length out of the pen. Bad luck for Joely. He was pitching his best ball of the season the last couple of weeks

I have a feeling Joely's "sore shoulder" will be just fine soon enough, lol.

But 6 strong innings and left with a lead.
Bassit has ate up innings all year long let's get a lead early

In comment 15851615 Optimus-NY said:

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If the Mets hung on to win the division, like they should have, then they'd be facing the Phillies with homefield advantage and fully rested instead of sweating Game 3 tomorrow and looking forward to facing the Dodgers in LA, with them having homefield and being spent pitching-wise w/sub optimal starters.

Yep. That’s why the ATL series was so brutal

In comment 15851617 speedywheels said:

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In comment 15851598 Greg from LI said: Quote: Same shit he did as a Yankee. Throw a million sliders way off the plate hoping someone chases. He’s been money all year, I’m willing to overlook tonight.

He was great in the regular season too for us. Just saying, I’ve seen this movie before. Last guy you want on the mound in a big spot in the playoffs.

In comment 15851615 Optimus-NY said:

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If the Mets hung on to win the division, like they should have, then they'd be facing the Phillies with homefield advantage and fully rested instead of sweating Game 3 tomorrow and looking forward to facing the Dodgers in LA, with them having homefield and being spent pitching-wise w/sub optimal starters.

Well then why did you bring it up?? Lol

But for real I want no part of Phillies... But I am biased living in the area... Wouldn't be able to stomach a playoff loss to them

I think something clicked there when he had 1st and 3rd 1 out with Machado up. Got the next 5 guys easy.

Not worried about him at all.

In comment 15851625 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 15851617 speedywheels said: Quote: In comment 15851598 Greg from LI said: Quote: Same shit he did as a Yankee. Throw a million sliders way off the plate hoping someone chases. He’s been money all year, I’m willing to overlook tonight. He was great in the regular season too for us. Just saying, I’ve seen this movie before. Last guy you want on the mound in a big spot in the playoffs.

I hear you loud and clear Greg. I read what your view about him before, and you were right then and still are now.

In a way he did the Mets a favor by not being available tomorrow. I don't wanna see him.

I could only wish giants fans can get back to how passionate it was there tonight. Unbelievable atmosphere. Mets fans are something else.

In comment 15851637 Everyone Relax said:

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I could only wish giants fans can get back to how passionate it was there tonight. Unbelievable atmosphere. Mets fans are something else.

The ESPN broadcast didn't reflect that though. Wish they did. They were too busy making obtuse points and showing Padres fans in the stands.

The other ones were not that bad. In fact some were pretty good.

But this one is awful. And not just the announcer. The camera work, directing decisions, etc. And it's the number 1 broadcast team for ESPN too.

they dampen the crowd noise, it sucks

The pbp guy is a studio host, so he sucks. Cone is good, but listening to Perez you understand why no one has hired him to manage

And the 500 crowd shots - no one cares. We dont want to see other people watching the game. Show the damn field

Going to take NYMs best effort tomorrow to win. I imagine we’ll being 6+ outs from Hader if behind.

and still have no clue what Buck was thinking with the pen. It seems ever post season he's in hebeither forgets how to manage thebpen or outsmart himself trying to nail things down. I didn't hear his post game presser, so maybe he explained this. Was he intending Diaz to get 9 outs, which he has never done in his career, or was it always 6? If the latter, why not the 8th and 9th? Even that he hasn't done often. How effective can he be expected to be today?

tonight Mets. Get it done.

Putting Diaz in when he did was the absolute correct move. I’m not sure why everyone disagrees with this. They were up 3-2 at that point. Protect the lead at all costs.

And then, he pitched to a few outs in the 8th. It was perfectly played IMO.

putting Diaz in there had nothing to do with how many pitches or outs he wanted Diaz to get.

He needed to protect the lead, and Diaz was the only option to do so.

You have everyone available in your pen except Ottavino.

Diaz threw 20+ pitches but it’s not like they were taxing or stressful pitches.

The bullpen is fine for tonight.

In comment 15851783 ryanmkeane said:

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putting Diaz in there had nothing to do with how many pitches or outs he wanted Diaz to get. He needed to protect the lead, and Diaz was the only option to do so.

I have no problem...if that's the logic. But, if he was hoping for Diaz to get 9 outs, that's not realistic or smart. I first started watching when closers would routinely come in the 7th or even earlier. It was always about shutting the door in a tight spot, regardless of when. They also were routinely asked to mitch more than 1 or even 2 innings. The game was different.

Today's closers are among the most coddled positions in sports. They like to come in for a clean inning and most often the 9th. Even facing the heart of the order, starting the inning is far less stressful than coming in with men on. And almost all of them have a strong dislike for coming in for non save situations and./or anything that deviates a lot from their usual.

I don't know the last time Diaz got more than 3 outs, but it was a while ago. I think 6 was prior to this season, and he never got 9 in an MLB game. So, I don't question the timing as much as the intent. Did Buck want to squeeze out 9 outs from him, or was he trying to keep the game 3-2 right there and hoping for some runs by his offense? What if the Mets didn't score more runs, for example?

In comment 15851785 ryanmkeane said:

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You have everyone available in your pen except Ottavino. Diaz threw 20+ pitches but it’s not like they were taxing or stressful pitches. The bullpen is fine for tonight.

He threw 28, which is still more than normal. He also had to cover first on 4 of the 5 outs, which is not something he does often. To me, that should be no issue. But, to guys entrenched in routine, that can be an issue. For example, that combination could leave his legs more tired than usual.

Again, in my view, it should be a non-issue. This is the playoffs. But, it does open itself up to unexpected results when it is not normally done.

aren't dramatically different than facing the braves and that they are going to give the braves all they can handle. their season series was 8-11.

the braves are a better more polished team, but remember most of the year the phillies didnt have harper. with him schwarber, realmuto, harper, bohm, castellanos down year but hit almost .300 in the 2nd half, and segura who always kills us, thats not an easy lineup at all and 2 games would have been in their bandbox.

nola and wheeler are arguably a better 1-2 punch and Robertson is on a very good year - so again since it's a 5 game series if they maneuver Wheeler to get 2 starts, he alone could get hot and win a series for them. he had a "down year" and he pitched to a 2.8 era. plus there's a familiarity factor. brewers or cardinals would have been easier matchups on paper (presumably why they didnt make it).

back to mets not only is it obviously a do or die game for bassitt, but another interesting angle is that it's against fellow SP-set-to-be-FA Joe Musgrove who just a couple months ago signed a 100m extension that Bassitt is close to pitching his way into himself. Bassitt's era was about half a run higher this year and hes several years older but their peripherals were all very comparable. a big performance tonight and beyond this postseason would go a long way towards convincing decision makers he's a guy to bet on. i think we will see a big bounce back performance from him because the padre lineup is lot shallowed than atlanta's.

In comment 15851791 Matt M. said:

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In comment 15851783 ryanmkeane said: Quote: putting Diaz in there had nothing to do with how many pitches or outs he wanted Diaz to get. He needed to protect the lead, and Diaz was the only option to do so. I have no problem...if that's the logic. But, if he was hoping for Diaz to get 9 outs, that's not realistic or smart. I first started watching when closers would routinely come in the 7th or even earlier. It was always about shutting the door in a tight spot, regardless of when. They also were routinely asked to mitch more than 1 or even 2 innings. The game was different. Today's closers are among the most coddled positions in sports. They like to come in for a clean inning and most often the 9th. Even facing the heart of the order, starting the inning is far less stressful than coming in with men on. And almost all of them have a strong dislike for coming in for non save situations and./or anything that deviates a lot from their usual. I don't know the last time Diaz got more than 3 outs, but it was a while ago. I think 6 was prior to this season, and he never got 9 in an MLB game. So, I don't question the timing as much as the intent. Did Buck want to squeeze out 9 outs from him, or was he trying to keep the game 3-2 right there and hoping for some runs by his offense? What if the Mets didn't score more runs, for example?

he put diaz in because profar - soto - machado were due up 3-4-5 that inning. so at least 1 of them was coming up as the tying run in the 7th, and then the other 2 were either coming up in the 7th or the 8th.

he put diaz in to get him through the heart of the order in that pass because if he did there was a chance they didn't come up again later in the game. which would have played out if otto didn't walk the ballpark (and buck would have had a much shorter hook on Otto in the 9th if it was just a 1 run lead still).

doing it that way also would have bought the mets their best chance to get 2 shut down innings with the lead to tack on with the heart of their order due up (which is also what happened).

i didn't love the move when buck did it because i thought with the 8/9 guys due up you could have gone with otto and made a judgement call but then you run the risk of still bringing diaz in if otto falters, and that could have been a quick hook on otto after 1 walk which means lugo would have been the only option in the 9th and diaz comes into a tougher situation.

is signed for another year and he’s several years older than Musgrove. He’ll be 34 at start of spring training in 2023. He won’t be getting anywhere close to a Musgrove deal. More likely a Morton-esque 2 yr deal next off-season.

In comment 15851928 Sammo85 said:

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is signed for another year and he’s several years older than Musgrove. He’ll be 34 at start of spring training in 2023. He won’t be getting anywhere close to a Musgrove deal. More likely a Morton-esque 2 yr deal next off-season.

he isn't signed next year - he has a player option he won't pick up. he's going to FA and he's going to get 20m per for multiple years, the only question is how many.

In comment 15851823 Eric on Li said:

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aren't dramatically different than facing the braves and that they are going to give the braves all they can handle. their season series was 8-11. the braves are a better more polished team, but remember most of the year the phillies didnt have harper. with him schwarber, realmuto, harper, bohm, castellanos down year but hit almost .300 in the 2nd half, and segura who always kills us, thats not an easy lineup at all and 2 games would have been in their bandbox. nola and wheeler are arguably a better 1-2 punch and Robertson is on a very good year - so again since it's a 5 game series if they maneuver Wheeler to get 2 starts, he alone could get hot and win a series for them. he had a "down year" and he pitched to a 2.8 era. plus there's a familiarity factor. brewers or cardinals would have been easier matchups on paper (presumably why they didnt make it). back to mets not only is it obviously a do or die game for bassitt, but another interesting angle is that it's against fellow SP-set-to-be-FA Joe Musgrove who just a couple months ago signed a 100m extension that Bassitt is close to pitching his way into himself. Bassitt's era was about half a run higher this year and hes several years older but their peripherals were all very comparable. a big performance tonight and beyond this postseason would go a long way towards convincing decision makers he's a guy to bet on. i think we will see a big bounce back performance from him because the padre lineup is lot shallowed than atlanta's.

Good points Eric. Harper and Schwarber make them dangerous. The Phillies aren't afraid of the Braves either being so familiar with them. I mentioned it before, but I'll say it again: Ranger Suarez is excellent. I'd love it if the Phillies beat those clowns.

v Phillies

In comment 15851937 Eric on Li said:

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In comment 15851928 Sammo85 said: Quote: is signed for another year and he’s several years older than Musgrove. He’ll be 34 at start of spring training in 2023. He won’t be getting anywhere close to a Musgrove deal. More likely a Morton-esque 2 yr deal next off-season. he isn't signed next year - he has a player option he won't pick up. he's going to FA and he's going to get 20m per for multiple years, the only question is how many.

I think he will get 5/120. Which is a lot given his age

In comment 15852681 Vanzetti said:

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In comment 15851937 Eric on Li said: Quote: In comment 15851928 Sammo85 said: Quote: is signed for another year and he’s several years older than Musgrove. He’ll be 34 at start of spring training in 2023. He won’t be getting anywhere close to a Musgrove deal. More likely a Morton-esque 2 yr deal next off-season. he isn't signed next year - he has a player option he won't pick up. he's going to FA and he's going to get 20m per for multiple years, the only question is how many. I think he will get 5/120. Which is a lot given his age

i'd take the under on that. i think he will get 1 or 2 years less than the younger SP who have extended (castillo, musgrove) but similar AAV. so basically somewhere in between Morton and Musgrove/Castilllo which is where he belongs.

how he pitches in the postseason will probably determine which side he ends up closer to. if he spits the bit tonight it may cost him a year and if he has a really good postseason he may end up closer to your prediction.

after last Sunday's awful performance, he needs to come through tonight

In comment 15851791 Matt M. said:

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In comment 15851783 ryanmkeane said: Quote: putting Diaz in there had nothing to do with how many pitches or outs he wanted Diaz to get. He needed to protect the lead, and Diaz was the only option to do so. I have no problem...if that's the logic. But, if he was hoping for Diaz to get 9 outs, that's not realistic or smart. I first started watching when closers would routinely come in the 7th or even earlier. It was always about shutting the door in a tight spot, regardless of when. They also were routinely asked to mitch more than 1 or even 2 innings. The game was different. Today's closers are among the most coddled positions in sports. They like to come in for a clean inning and most often the 9th. Even facing the heart of the order, starting the inning is far less stressful than coming in with men on. And almost all of them have a strong dislike for coming in for non save situations and./or anything that deviates a lot from their usual. I don't know the last time Diaz got more than 3 outs, but it was a while ago. I think 6 was prior to this season, and he never got 9 in an MLB game. So, I don't question the timing as much as the intent. Did Buck want to squeeze out 9 outs from him, or was he trying to keep the game 3-2 right there and hoping for some runs by his offense? What if the Mets didn't score more runs, for example?

The expectation was not for Diaz to get 9 outs. He was brought in to pitch to Soto who was going to come up in the 7th if they got a runner on. In case Soto was coming up then, they were not going to bring in Diaz with a runner on, so he starts the 7th. Diaz is left in the 8th to get through as many batters as he can, then they go to Ottavino.

Most likely, if needed, Diaz is available tonight whenever they need him.

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Dont care how ugly it is. Wouldnt be surprised to see them go Bassitt-Walker-Diaz tonight.

I heard on radio that Mets took care of business when they matched up earlier this season. Don't recall the outcome just relaying the comment.

is huge for the future of the Mets. a WC loss would be a bad outcome on the season. an NLDS loss wouldn't be anything to celebrate, but the Dodgers have the best record in baseball, one 100-win team is going home from that series.

Tonight we find out who the leaders on on the Mets. Or that they still don't have a leader.

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is huge for the future of the Mets. a WC loss would be a bad outcome on the season. an NLDS loss wouldn't be anything to celebrate, but the Dodgers have the best record in baseball, one 100-win team is going home from that series. Tonight we find out who the leaders on on the Mets. Or that they still don't have a leader.

very well put. lindor and alonso homering yesterday has me hopeful, they both tend to be streaky. both did damage off musgrove this year too.

Alonso = 3/8, 1 homer
Lindor = 6/17, 2 homers, 2 doubles

Maybe 10 to 15 minutes. I'll link it here when it's ready.

See link below. We can migrate on over there and continue chit chatting before/during/after the game now and let this link alone.


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