If he keeps playing this way (no regression) what kind of deal would he be offered by the Giants? Do you think they will over pay by alot?
He is playing great but he is no Josh Allen/Mahomes type qb so I would not offer 300 mil. He is just not worth that to me.
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having to tag jones isn't ideal but its the best of not great options given the circumstances (new staff, still hasn't played well enough to extend, but has played well enough to lead a competitive team). and as KDavies pointed out on the other thread it doesn't preclude them from drafting his replacement.
If we let Jones test the market and we lose him, it is really a set-back for the team? What special skills or ability would be losing?
I agree that he's making the offense work right now. But I don't view the success as testimony to Jones. I view it as a testimony to the coaching staff and figuring out how to maximize what Jones has...
Wrong! This team is winning because of Barkley and the defense. Paying Jones and Saquon will take away talent from the Giants ability to improve the OLine and defense....and the team gets worse. No thanks! Paying an average QB too much money isn't the answer.
So is it ok to definitively judge Jones based on four years of poor production, given that you can judge these guys in a fraction of the time?
We've barely seen them because none of them are good, which is why
Do you know what the odds are of these picks panning out? Almost zero
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In comment 15868325 GNewGiants said:
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As a means of measuring stick. Jimmy G was second in the NFL last year and he sucks donkey balls.
YOA is dependent on your skill guy excelling at YAC. We have NONE of them. Our offense is based on moving the chains and controlling the clock. We rarely take deep shots. It’s not a stat we are going to excel in. I showed over a 10 year period that Brady, Wilson, and Rodgers all fell out of the top 10 of a cumulative YPA. It should be used as a reference only. Not means to determine how good a QB is.
No stat is perfect, but YPA is a very reliable indicator of success.
I imagine if Jones was a consistently performing well in the YPA, you would be citing it as an example of Jones's ability.
Actually - no I wouldn’t. I have never use stats to rate or Jusge players cause there’s way too many variables.
And again if a stat rates Wilson, Brady, and Rodgers outside the top 10 over a 10 year period… I don’t take as much value in it. Again - it’s very YAC dependent. And if you don’t have YAC capabilities like we don’t - why use it?
Conceptually I agree with you but 6.4 YPA?
About YAC, a lot of that is on the QB, not the receiver. I think you know that. Why are the Giants bad at YAC? Because Jones is chronically late getting the ball to the receiver. His timing is bad.
Case on point: Sundays TD pass to Bellinger. Bellinger got open and about a full second later the ball arrives. That’s too long. He has to get open and bam the ball is there.
Just one play but it’s repeated constantly. That’s why we don’t have YAC.
Do you know what the odds are of these picks panning out? Almost zero
Back to this silliness?
When you start talking about the likelihood of draft picks, it's like Teddy KGB putting his Oreo back in the tray.
Daniel Jones is our only option be sheer default.
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In comment 15868358 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15868325 GNewGiants said:
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As a means of measuring stick. Jimmy G was second in the NFL last year and he sucks donkey balls.
YOA is dependent on your skill guy excelling at YAC. We have NONE of them. Our offense is based on moving the chains and controlling the clock. We rarely take deep shots. It’s not a stat we are going to excel in. I showed over a 10 year period that Brady, Wilson, and Rodgers all fell out of the top 10 of a cumulative YPA. It should be used as a reference only. Not means to determine how good a QB is.
No stat is perfect, but YPA is a very reliable indicator of success.
I imagine if Jones was a consistently performing well in the YPA, you would be citing it as an example of Jones's ability.
Actually - no I wouldn’t. I have never use stats to rate or Jusge players cause there’s way too many variables.
And again if a stat rates Wilson, Brady, and Rodgers outside the top 10 over a 10 year period… I don’t take as much value in it. Again - it’s very YAC dependent. And if you don’t have YAC capabilities like we don’t - why use it?
Conceptually I agree with you but 6.4 YPA?
About YAC, a lot of that is on the QB, not the receiver. I think you know that. Why are the Giants bad at YAC? Because Jones is chronically late getting the ball to the receiver. His timing is bad.
Case on point: Sundays TD pass to Bellinger. Bellinger got open and about a full second later the ball arrives. That’s too long. He has to get open and bam the ball is there.
Just one play but it’s repeated constantly. That’s why we don’t have YAC.
You may be right on Jones lateness… but do you really believe that Slayton, sills, James, and Bellinger would be YAC monsters for other QBs. They struggle to get open yet alone run away. I mean if we had Toney, SS, and a healthy Golladay - 6.4 wouldn’t be good enough. But we have to consider our WRs weren’t even suppose to make the team this year yet alone play the majority of the snaps.
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And everything else was third round or later
Do you know what the odds are of these picks panning out? Almost zero
Back to this silliness?
When you start talking about the likelihood of draft picks, it's like Teddy KGB putting his Oreo back in the tray.
LOL