like JPP part two. Very stupid of him to get on an ATV. Players should be contractually prohibited from engaging in certain objectively dangerous activities like riding ATVs.
This is exactly the actual thing you don’t want players doing in their free time.
Selfish.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
This is exactly the actual thing you don’t want players doing in their free time.
Selfish.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
Couldn't he do all the crazy shit in the OFFSEASON? He's in Cabo. Grab a fucking margarita and lay out in the sun. Don't fucking take unnecessary risks during the season. SHIT. HAPPENS.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
It doesnt matter if the fans are pissed - but soemthing like this could be a breach of a contract - which many teams institute now so shit like this doesnt happen. Lets wait to here the severity, but he could actually be fined or suspended depending on the nature of the incident.
This is exactly the actual thing you don’t want players doing in their free time.
Selfish.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
There is a difference between going to bed at 9 PM and engaging in activity during a bye week that predictably injures you. This isn't a car accident
This is exactly the actual thing you don’t want players doing in their free time.
Selfish.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
Wait, You think he might be contractually barred from ATVs and rode one anyway and will now miss time, But I’m selfish for thinking he shouldn’t have done it?
FWIW, Tony Jefferson is eligible to return next week.
Not saying he's a replacement, or even that he's ready; but he knows the defense inside-out and could fill the "QB on field" part of McKinney's role if they just slot him in alongside Love and leave the other roles alone.
As a professional athlete he is paid to ensure nothing that is within his control and personally initiated precludes him from being on the field. He could slip in the shower, or get hurt practicing on his own. That's different. Go sit on the beach, have some drinks, party...but riding an ATV which can be dangerous is not very smart nor professional.
Unless he lost parts of his fingers, I dont see what JPP
Enough with all the injuries already! This one wasn’t even Football related. I wonder if he broke it? Speculation now, but does this shit happen to other teams? Why does it always seem like the Giants? This team has such bad luck with injuries.
but it does seem ill advised and if it is guided tour what the heel did you do to have an accident (its not like you are rock jumping, dune racing etc.)..
I hope that is not in jeopardy. I'm sure we will get a lot more news on this.
I don't find being on a supervised ATV tour malpractice. Now if this was some non sanctioned tour or he was breaking protocols then I think you can question his judgement much more.
Heh, I did an ATV day in Cabo in April. It was wildly fast.
Too fast, IMO. I was driving faster than I wanted to but had to keep up with the train of ATVs or fall behind. We had a pair go off the road, hit a rock and go flying. They got a helluva dose of road rash. I'm not surprised at all something like this happened. Then they charged our group for the broken bits from the crash.
for people to casually sit and drive around on them. My neighbor's son is paralyzed because of an accident on one of those things when it flipped over on top of him. Amy Van Dyken was an olympian who is in a wheelchair now because of an ATV accident.
There is a reason why teams usually put riding them on the list of things athletes can't do when under contract, along with sky diving and motorcycles, etc.
but it does seem ill advised and if it is guided tour what the heel did you do to have an accident (its not like you are rock jumping, dune racing etc.)..
Could have blown a tire, hit a hidden hole, swerved to avoid hitting an animal that ran in front of him (happened to me once, I fell but wasn't injured)
Giants have lost the following players for multiple games
- Thibs
- Neal
- Ojulari
- Williams
- Bellinger
- McKinney
- W. Robinson
- A. Robinson
- Bredeson
- Lemieux
- Ximines
- Davidson
- McKethan
- Beavers
- Flott
- Colin Johnson
- Golladay
- Shepard
That’s 19 guys who were expected to contribute that have missed significant time.
The regression is going to start huh? Brutal. I don’t know what this team did to get the curse of important players getting hurt. Flowers always was healthy.
Twitter claims this article shows that he violated terms of his contract.
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Guaranteed salary in a Giants player’s contract “shall immediately become null and void in its entirety … if a player is unavailable to Club as a result of engaging in any activity which may involve a significant risk of personal injury … including, but not limited to, water or snow skiing, surfing, hang gliding, bungee jumping, diving, sky diving, rock or mountain climbing, race car driving as driver or passenger, riding a motorcycle, motor bike, all-terrain or similar vehicle as driver or passenger, professional or amateur wrestling.”
I doubt the Giants will do it since the injury isn’t career altering and they see him as a long term piece
I just looked online--these ATVs are not as License Plate Guy says, slipping in the shower. 136,000 people are injured every year because of these things (think about that against the limited population who use them). They are also terribly designed.
like Golladay you might see them go after the guaranteed money. Despite this disappointment I'm fairly certain they veiw Xavier as a longterm part of this team and going after his guaranteed money would really sour that relationship.
Twitter claims this article shows that he violated terms of his contract.
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Guaranteed salary in a Giants player’s contract “shall immediately become null and void in its entirety … if a player is unavailable to Club as a result of engaging in any activity which may involve a significant risk of personal injury … including, but not limited to, water or snow skiing, surfing, hang gliding, bungee jumping, diving, sky diving, rock or mountain climbing, race car driving as driver or passenger, riding a motorcycle, motor bike, all-terrain or similar vehicle as driver or passenger, professional or amateur wrestling.”
I doubt the Giants will do it since the injury isn’t career altering and they see him as a long term piece
Thanks. And neither do I, but it’s a real bad look for the defensive captain and one of the leaders of the team.
@DDuggan21
McKinney's contract contains a standard clause that his guaranteed salary becomes void if he is unavailable due to being a rider or passenger in an ATV. Not sure this really matters because I can't imagine the Giants are going to cut McKinney over this. But surely can't be happy.
RE: I've spent hundreds of hours on ATVs without injury
It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
I've known people who have done just that on the group tours. You are still driving your own ATV. He could easily have been doing something stupid and flipped it.
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In other news... #Giants S Xavier McKinney suffered a broken hand while on vacation during the bye week, source said, and now will miss several weeks.
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
RE: This is so stupid I can’t even wrap my head around it
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous. But rapping in your free time is wayyyy over the line.
RE: RE: This is so stupid I can’t even wrap my head around it
After JPP's hand incident, you have to think all Giants contracts have stipulations like this, and most teams do as well. Not like that is super helpful, but if they need the $ to operate they can always make it up to him in an extension...
It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
Bullshit take! People only get injured when they are being reckless, likely due to drugs and alcohol! Who amongst us have not wanted to ride an ATV on planned tour but avoided it because of the loved one we may leave behind in the most likely event of our death?
Shit happens folks. Until we know we was actually doing something dangerous lets hold off on the criticism.
with very little facts confirmed it sounds like he went on a guided tour and was in an accident - there havent been any reports he was being reckless but accidents happen
im sure there'd be the same level of vitriol if he got into a car accident
yes it voids money in his contract but come on theyre not going after it with the example that would set for potential free agents
RE: RE: How does anyone know what's in his contract?
After JPP's hand incident, you have to think all Giants contracts have stipulations like this, and most teams do as well. Not like that is super helpful, but if they need the $ to operate they can always make it up to him in an extension...
Motorcycles and fireworks/explosives I get. That's boilerplate high risk stuff you see everywhere. Riding 4-wheelers though?
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous. But rapping in your free time is wayyyy over the line.
Your incessant obsession with Toney and rapping is one the the stupidest fucking things I’ve seen on this site.
Yeah, everyone hates Toney because he raps. It has nothing to do with the laundry list of other things that went on during his tenure. Nope. It’s because he raps. And apparently he’s the only one in the league that does. That’s why everyone hates him
Take your racist bullshit somewhere else, clown.
If you manage to flip an ATV on a guided tour to break your hand...
You were being reckless with speed/steering. All the tours I've ever done just putt along somewhat casually, spaced out from everyone on a beach or in a single file line on a trail. So although going on the tour to begin with may be questionable given the language of your contract... that's fine, just be safe about it.
The fact you managed to get injured during it means you're 1) An idiot and 2) Were riding aggressively while on the ATV, which you definitely should be crucified for.
RE: I've spent hundreds of hours on ATVs without injury
It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
RE: RE: RE: Contract allegedly says don't ride an ATV
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous. But rapping in your free time is wayyyy over the line.
Your incessant obsession with Toney and rapping is one the the stupidest fucking things I’ve seen on this site.
Yeah, everyone hates Toney because he raps. It has nothing to do with the laundry list of other things that went on during his tenure. Nope. It’s because he raps. And apparently he’s the only one in the league that does. That’s why everyone hates him
Not like he was doing xtreme sports, I mean he was part of a tour group.
Yeah, this. This shouldn't be a dangerous activity.
Adding: Yes, per the above, it's a contract violation and he shouldn't have done it. I would assume a guided ATV tour is on a pre-selected trail, with controlled speeds. So I can see why he'd think it's ok. But if it's in the contract that he can't, it's not ok.
Sort of related: I once did the "Maui Downhill", where you come down from the top of the volcano on a bicycle. Opted to do it solo, un-guided. You can go pretty fast. The guided groups were going at a very measured pace. Much slower. But if you crashed on the way down, you could still get hurt. So even "safe" activities can be dangerous. Stuff happens.
RE: RE: I've spent hundreds of hours on ATVs without injury
It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
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jacktatumroamingthemiddle says:
November 7, 2022 at 11:45 am
I’ve been to Cabo. I’ve been on the “guided” ATV tour. It basically means, take tourists into the desert and let them act like idiots on four wheelers. I can see how this happened.
Not like he was doing xtreme sports, I mean he was part of a tour group.
Yeah, this. This shouldn't be a dangerous activity.
It shouldn't be, but the fact that he managed to hurt himself suggests he may not have been behaving safely. If the ATV malfunctioned or something, I feel like that's the kind of detail you mention in your story.
Leave to this site to be concerned about what his contract
Ok, but to tell people to calm down its not a big deal is stupid. My day goes on but there’s a reason that was included in his contract. Is what it is, Dane Belton & LC need to step up.
RE: If you manage to flip an ATV on a guided tour to break your hand...
You were being reckless with speed/steering. All the tours I've ever done just putt along somewhat casually, spaced out from everyone on a beach or in a single file line on a trail. So although going on the tour to begin with may be questionable given the language of your contract... that's fine, just be safe about it.
The fact you managed to get injured during it means you're 1) An idiot and 2) Were riding aggressively while on the ATV, which you definitely should be crucified for.
Romo and Witten got a lot of heat for going to Cabo during the playoff bye week. No reason McKinney shouldn't catch slack. He had language in his contract about not riding ATVs...
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
Why is that the argument though? If the contract forbids you from riding one at all, then he was out line for simply riding one.
Regardless if you’re a professional athlete, a musician etc. Saxophonist from my favorite band died from an ATV accident. Luckily it was only McKinney’s hand. No issues with him site seeing during a bye week, but why do these athletes feel that during a bye week they can participate in dangerous activities? A bye week is NOT the off season, I fully understand needing to get away for a few days but come on especially when you’re a team captain.
RE: RE: He's been a total class act since he's been here
like JPP part two. Very stupid of him to get on an ATV. Players should be contractually prohibited from engaging in certain objectively dangerous activities like riding ATVs.
Well he didn’t lose his hand. Not the brightest idea on vacation
But I will give X a break, I am pretty sure he realized this the second he did it.
Guy never been a problem, will hurt during dallas game. But we will get thru.
Hopefully back for Washington
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I've spent hundreds of hours on ATVs without injury
It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
Why is that the argument though? If the contract forbids you from riding one at all, then he was out line for simply riding one.
^This. Hiis contract said he couldn't ride and ATV. Period.
RE: RE: RE: He's been a total class act since he's been here
...it really sucks, but I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Benefit of the doubt as in maybe he didn’t hurt himself riding an suv?
That he wasn't acting like a clown and just had an accident.
The odds that he hurt himself on an ATV without behaving like a jackass aren't very high. If that's what happened, I'd fully expect him to include that detail in the story.
That sounds like him downplaying it and being hopeful. He’s probably going to miss a month because of this, especially if the broken hand report is true. I also really doubt his version of events with saying it’s a nice calm guided tour. I bet he was out there popping wheelies and speeding around. Incredibly stupid and disappointing. Especially doing this stuff during the season.
Sucks for us but it was an ACCIDENT. The superiority on this thread is hilarious.
An accident is when you take all precautions and something happens anyway. This was reckless and irresponsible.
100% correct. These guys are all millionaire professional atheletes, it was a stupid decision and now he has to pay the price. Hope that this doesn’t affect his career, Giants should absolutely not pay guaranteed salary. Why reward bad behavior. Unless something come out that they knew about his actions and approved it, and it was truly some freak accident (highly highly unlikely) then McKinney has hurt the team and gone against what this GM and Coach have preached all off-season “Tough, Smart, Dependable”. This was stupid and avoidable, now he can’t be depended on by his team.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
That sounds like him downplaying it and being hopeful. He’s probably going to miss a month because of this, especially if the broken hand report is true. I also really doubt his version of events with saying it’s a nice calm guided tour. I bet he was out there popping wheelies and speeding around. Incredibly stupid and disappointing. Especially doing this stuff during the season.
Yeh I bet team knows too and told him what to say. Might as well keep the shit storm to a minimum.
If there was actual guided tour there would be pics for sure. Players are also more cognizant of this shit now so if he was dicking around on an ATV gotta think the pics got deleted. If taken at all, I could see a young “invinceable” man knows he wasn’t supposed to (def discussed by coaches into bye not to do dangerous shit) but did anyway because “eh I’m a pro athlete I got this”
Guided tours are pretty lackadaisical
Clock may be striking midnight on this Cinderella ride
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
NFL teams would disagree with you - it usually is put into contracts. If teams didnt think it was risky - why do they have their players sign it?
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
So how did he get hurt? If it was that easy to hurt yourself on a guided ATV tour while behaving yourself, there wouldn't be guided ATV tours.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
Wrong...it's risky. and "majority of people"? No no no....other way around.....most people with any sense know that getting on an ATV is risky, regardless if it is "organized" or not...like "organized" means it's less risky somehow....that's utterly ridiculous...."organized means they're insured....that's it.....JFC! He did a bad thing
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I've spent hundreds of hours on ATVs without injury
It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
Why is that the argument though? If the contract forbids you from riding one at all, then he was out line for simply riding one.
Because that was the immediate conclusion people here jumped to. The contractual terms didn't really kick in until a bit later in the thread. As I stated above, no one knows jack until we see the full details, and that includes how long he may be out. In fact, the contractual clause may not be enforceable if he was participating in a resort-approved/led tour.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
And yet he now has a broken hand and allegedly violated the terms of his contract. So seriously, I need to reevaluate? Just because “it’s organized” doesn’t mean it’s safe.
RE: I guess these guys don't remember the Boat Trip
and how we did after that fiasco and nobody even got hurt on that thing (totally overblown).
I'll never agree that the reaction was overblown. It wasn't a bye week or a little boat trip for a few hours off the coast of Jersey.
They flew to south beach in the middle of Sunday night and appeared to have partied through Monday morning. Do you really think they were at their best when they showed up to a very important practice on Tuesday? (or Wed?).
Have you ever partied all night? I remember even when I was younger, I might not be at my best sometimes for days after.
It was also a travel week, so the little practice time they had was critical.
If OBJ and the other receivers played well that game, there probably wouldn't have been much reaction afterwards. But they didn't. In fact, there were multiple drops, including iirc, OBJ dropping a TD pass in the first half (when the game was competitive).
Was it the best way to prepare for a playoff game on a short week (due to travel)? F no, if you ask me. Smart dependable players would've saved the celebration for AFTER the playoffs.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
False equivalency....nobody buys that.....stop
Everything has an incidence of risk, and much of that risk depends on how you perform the action. No false equivalency at all.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
Does his contract forbid him from crossing the street?
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McKinney's contract contains a standard clause that his guaranteed salary becomes void if he is unavailable due to being a rider or passenger in an ATV. Not sure this really matters because I can't imagine the Giants are going to cut McKinney over this. But surely can't be happy.
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Let me just follow-up here because I see some confusion: It's really inconsequential because they're obviously not cutting him. And he only had $525K guaranteed this year and half has been paid. It would be a much bigger deal with a vet they didn't want with a big salary.
@DDuggan21
McKinney's contract contains a standard clause that his guaranteed salary becomes void if he is unavailable due to being a rider or passenger in an ATV. Not sure this really matters because I can't imagine the Giants are going to cut McKinney over this. But surely can't be happy.
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Well, they can at the very least, fine him.
I wonder if the 'disclaimer' in the standard player's contract was adjusted after the JPP incident, or was always in there? No biggie, just a bit curious.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
Really? That’s your argument in support of his choice of activity.
ATV rides are riskier than riding on a motorcycle, and I don't want any of the Giant players riding motorcycles either X. McKinney bonehead move was predictable.... - ( New Window )
I've rode both and agree ATVs seem more dangerous to me. People might get a false sense of security on ATVs vs. motorcycles because of the 4 wheels.
Sucks for us but it was an ACCIDENT. The superiority on this thread is hilarious.
Sure, an accident, but an accident while he was doing something he was contractually obligated not to do. This isn't Chad Jones getting injured after falling asleep driving home after minicamp. They won't do it, but the Giants have every right to terminate his contract and take back a chunk of his signing bonus.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
Does his contract forbid him from crossing the street?
Doesn't matter...he could still suffer debilitating injuries.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I've spent hundreds of hours on ATVs without injury
It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
Would not be surprised if scuba diving and diving with sharks is prohibited.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
Really? That’s your argument in support of his choice of activity.
It isn't any kind of argument; it's just a comment on the heated rhetoric here about an incident we know little about with an outcome that's even more obscure at this point.
My initial thought is the JP comparisons are over the top
If he really was on a tour, he was supervised and not necessarily being reckless. However, if it is true that the contract explicitly says not to ride ATVs (is this true), then it is really stupid and then yes, he should lose pay.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
Crossing streets is necessary for life maintenance? Funniest thing I've heard today. I'll grant you, it's too far to walk around, but you appear to be equating it with food, O2, and water.
Sucks for us but it was an ACCIDENT. The superiority on this thread is hilarious.
An accident is when you take all precautions and something happens anyway. This was reckless and irresponsible.
100% correct. These guys are all millionaire professional atheletes, it was a stupid decision and now he has to pay the price. Hope that this doesn’t affect his career, Giants should absolutely not pay guaranteed salary. Why reward bad behavior. Unless something come out that they knew about his actions and approved it, and it was truly some freak accident (highly highly unlikely) then McKinney has hurt the team and gone against what this GM and Coach have preached all off-season “Tough, Smart, Dependable”. This was stupid and avoidable, now he can’t be depended on by his team.
He's not the only one paying the price.
The Giants will be paying for a player that can't play (unless they decide to terminate the contract) and his salary will still be part of the salary cap, so he can't be replaced.
And his teammates now pay the price, having to play out of position. Not to mention this might end up costing the team a playoff spot. Then his teammates lose a playoff check. How much do you think that would mean to guys on minimal contracts? Not to mention the Giants losing revenue.
All this is why you have that clause in the contract.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
Crossing streets is necessary for life maintenance? Funniest thing I've heard today. I'll grant you, it's too far to walk around, but you appear to be equating it with food, O2, and water.
I live in NYC. Should I not go into the office to work or the super market to eat, or get medicine. If I want to do those things I need to cross the street.
BBI as usual on the moral high horse without knowing the facts
Reminds me of the DL we had who was accused of sexual assault and hitting a woman with his car. Everyone jumped on his case that he was a preditor. Facts came out and she was trespassing and she jumped on his car as he tried to escape. I'll wait for all the facts then react.
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
Wrong...it's risky. and "majority of people"? No no no....other way around.....most people with any sense know that getting on an ATV is risky, regardless if it is "organized" or not...like "organized" means it's less risky somehow....that's utterly ridiculous...."organized means they're insured....that's it.....JFC! He did a bad thing
This. There are no rules in most of these countries. There is no OSHA. The equipment can be defective. You can go to Belize, Mexico and a whole lot of other countries and take a 30-minute scuba diving course and then go dive. In the US you need about 10 to 15 hours of in-pool and classroom training, and an instructor led open water dive before you can get your certification.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
Crossing streets is necessary for life maintenance? Funniest thing I've heard today. I'll grant you, it's too far to walk around, but you appear to be equating it with food, O2, and water.
I live in NYC. Should I not go into the office to work or the super market to eat, or get medicine. If I want to do those things I need to cross the street.
If you sign a contract saying you won’t, then you probably shouldn’t n
Can someone explain to me how every first and second round
Reminds me of the DL we had who was accused of sexual assault and hitting a woman with his car. Everyone jumped on his case that he was a preditor. Facts came out and she was trespassing and she jumped on his car as he tried to escape. I'll wait for all the facts then react.
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
What facts? He said he was riding an ATV. His contract specifically says he can’t ride atvs.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Did Not Read Entire Thread
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
Crossing streets is necessary for life maintenance? Funniest thing I've heard today. I'll grant you, it's too far to walk around, but you appear to be equating it with food, O2, and water.
I live in NYC. Should I not go into the office to work or the super market to eat, or get medicine. If I want to do those things I need to cross the street.
If you sign a contract saying you won’t, then you probably shouldn’t n
I was arguing what you were arguing in that walking across the street is not a good example of risk. Yes, it has risk involved, but the risk is necessary to live life. Recreation stuff that you contract out of is not necessary and should be avoided if you agreed to do it to get paid.
But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
Crossing streets is necessary for life maintenance? Funniest thing I've heard today. I'll grant you, it's too far to walk around, but you appear to be equating it with food, O2, and water.
Man, you have got to be kidding that you don't get it......let's extrapolate even further so maybe you can have a clearer view.
to you, there's absolutely no difference in the risk associated with me sitting on my couch versus me going sky diving, as long as ai do both safely? I am just as safe, either way, as long as I am doing them both safely?
Sucks for us but it was an ACCIDENT. The superiority on this thread is hilarious.
An accident is when you take all precautions and something happens anyway. This was reckless and irresponsible.
100% correct. These guys are all millionaire professional atheletes, it was a stupid decision and now he has to pay the price. Hope that this doesn’t affect his career, Giants should absolutely not pay guaranteed salary. Why reward bad behavior. Unless something come out that they knew about his actions and approved it, and it was truly some freak accident (highly highly unlikely) then McKinney has hurt the team and gone against what this GM and Coach have preached all off-season “Tough, Smart, Dependable”. This was stupid and avoidable, now he can’t be depended on by his team.
He's not the only one paying the price.
The Giants will be paying for a player that can't play (unless they decide to terminate the contract) and his salary will still be part of the salary cap, so he can't be replaced.
And his teammates now pay the price, having to play out of position. Not to mention this might end up costing the team a playoff spot. Then his teammates lose a playoff check. How much do you think that would mean to guys on minimal contracts? Not to mention the Giants losing revenue.
All this is why you have that clause in the contract.
Yes absolutely. I agree and thank you for further elaborating the point I was trying to make.
but each claiming the others side doesn't know the facts before making an opinion.
1) He got hurt, that is known.
2) It was on an ATV
2a) the ATV was supposedly a group tour thing
3) He may or may not have had a clause in his contract about doing such activities.
Anyone that claims to know what happened is lying or just assuming. That goes both ways though.
The statements like- I guess I can't cross the street or swim as I might get bitten by a Shark are so stupid. We need to stop feeling like we have to have a definitive and absolute opinion about shit we know nothing about.
I am eager to hear how an atv in a tour was in accident that caused an injury. I have zero idea what happened or how and thus want to hear the details about it.
That is the bulk of what we can expect here at the moment. From those details we can formulate an informed opinion on what probably we feel was the right or wrong decision here.
The biggest thing we can all agree on is that this sucks and is VERY poorly timed.
Has to clean house. This fucking team is nowhere close to being a contender. Wait until you see what happens in the second half. Tgey are going to pay the price, and everything that gets thrown at them they deserve. Babies, a bunch of fucking babies.
Has to clean house. This fucking team is nowhere close to being a contender. Wait until you see what happens in the second half. Tgey are going to pay the price, and everything that gets thrown at them they deserve. Babies, a bunch of fucking babies.
Has to clean house. This fucking team is nowhere close to being a contender. Wait until you see what happens in the second half. Tgey are going to pay the price, and everything that gets thrown at them they deserve. Babies, a bunch of fucking babies.
okay now this is just stupid
RE: RE: BBI as usual on the moral high horse without knowing the facts
Reminds me of the DL we had who was accused of sexual assault and hitting a woman with his car. Everyone jumped on his case that he was a preditor. Facts came out and she was trespassing and she jumped on his car as he tried to escape. I'll wait for all the facts then react.
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
What facts? He said he was riding an ATV. His contract specifically says he can’t ride atvs.
Do you know he was reckless? Do you know he was partying? Do you know he was acting crazy? BBI seems to know all of these things. No one debates he was on an ATV, but overreacting without knowing the what actually happened is silly. I'll wait to get on a soap box and yell at him for being stupid
Must be made of him. Fuck him. I trust Daboll and Schoen. But you guys thinking playoffs, forget it. Watch the ass whipping the Texans give us. We are ripe for the picking. Thank God we made no trades. This roster needs to be overhauled, and you keep the real football players. This is why we have been pathetic these last years.
Reminds me of the DL we had who was accused of sexual assault and hitting a woman with his car. Everyone jumped on his case that he was a preditor. Facts came out and she was trespassing and she jumped on his car as he tried to escape. I'll wait for all the facts then react.
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
What facts? He said he was riding an ATV. His contract specifically says he can’t ride atvs.
Do you know he was reckless? Do you know he was partying? Do you know he was acting crazy? BBI seems to know all of these things. No one debates he was on an ATV, but overreacting without knowing the what actually happened is silly. I'll wait to get on a soap box and yell at him for being stupid
Does his contract specify that riding an ATV is ok unless you are acting crazy partying or whatever? Or does it is does it just say riding atvs?
If his contract says “it’s cool but just be careful” then clearly I’m wrong.
Must be made of him. Fuck him. I trust Daboll and Schoen. But you guys thinking playoffs, forget it. Watch the ass whipping the Texans give us. We are ripe for the picking. Thank God we made no trades. This roster needs to be overhauled, and you keep the real football players. This is why we have been pathetic these last years.
2016 when we made the playoffs. Exactly the same shit. If they dumped him today I would not have a single problem with it. If they keep him because he knows the fuck up and he has the balls to face his teammates, okay, but you can not let this go. There is something dreadfully wrong with this team. The injuries every tear, I don't buy it, sorry, I don't.
Wonder if there's a way to build in an agreement with him
that we will look the other way and not void any part of his contract, recoup his SB, etc. in exchange for him and his representation agreeing NOW to the terms of what his extension will be when his contract comes up. Not extending him now, but locking him in to the terms. Schoen would be a wizard if he could swing that.
Sorry, I am allowed, since I am not making decisions on people's lives, but I am allowing people who have to make those decisions clear, that as a fan, I back them up 100% no matter whatthey need to do. Every year we are amongst the most I Jared teams, yet non of you guys want to see that as a lockerroom problem. Evert year it's just bad luck. I say that is bullshit.
2016 when we made the playoffs. Exactly the same shit. If they dumped him today I would not have a single problem with it. If they keep him because he knows the fuck up and he has the balls to face his teammates, okay, but you can not let this go. There is something dreadfully wrong with this team. The injuries every tear, I don't buy it, sorry, I don't.
You don't cut him. But this may give us some salary cap relief if we are lucky.
Has to clean house. This fucking team is nowhere close to being a contender. Wait until you see what happens in the second half. Tgey are going to pay the price, and everything that gets thrown at them they deserve. Babies, a bunch of fucking babies.
Being a plus player aside, he's a vocal leader and one guy who the other DBs have looked to. This type of mistake is disappointing to say the least - hopefully it's minor and he has no setbacks, and most importantly, learns from it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: BBI as usual on the moral high horse without knowing the facts
Reminds me of the DL we had who was accused of sexual assault and hitting a woman with his car. Everyone jumped on his case that he was a preditor. Facts came out and she was trespassing and she jumped on his car as he tried to escape. I'll wait for all the facts then react.
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
What facts? He said he was riding an ATV. His contract specifically says he can’t ride atvs.
Do you know he was reckless? Do you know he was partying? Do you know he was acting crazy? BBI seems to know all of these things. No one debates he was on an ATV, but overreacting without knowing the what actually happened is silly. I'll wait to get on a soap box and yell at him for being stupid
Does his contract specify that riding an ATV is ok unless you are acting crazy partying or whatever? Or does it is does it just say riding atvs?
If his contract says “it’s cool but just be careful” then clearly I’m wrong.
No one said he didn't break his contract. Don't put words out I never said. This thread is spewing shit about partying, being reckless with the vehicle, clawing back his bonus, make an example out of him, etc. You only read what you want to see. If you read what I wrote and you didn't, BBI choses to overreact without the facts. I already know he broke the terms of his deal. That is a fact...All the other stuff is made up bull shit. Once the facts come out and if he was drinking or being reckless then I will roast him. What if he was hit by another vehicle? What if the vehicle was faulty? We don't know that. Hell I don't believe his tweet. Have the Giants seen him to evaluate his condition or is he sugar coating the situation.
Like you said we do know he broke the terms of his contract.
Until they come out with what happened it's all internet hearsay and people shooting from the hip. I'll wait for the rest of the facts to form an opinion
Was putting the team first when he runs to a vacation on a bye week. Nothing wrong with that. LoL. You have got to be kidding me. To go on vacation during a bye week is so fucking irresponsible that it's pathetic. But I wouldn't expect anyone who does not take responsibility for thier actions, all and every action in your life to understand that.
What the exact injury is yet? Can he play with a soft or hard cast and just use it like a club in a couple of weeks while the hand is still fully healing? Wrist, fingers, joint, ligaments... Bueller?
Assholes maybe. But if you can't understand what I just said then it's obvious you are exactly what and who I am talking about. The company, team,organization, you add in the blank comes first, your pleasures during a bye week should be to heal. Not go on vacation, if you can't understand that then there is nothing further to add.
Plain and simple. Anyone with any other take is fooling themselves. If you want to engage in riskier activities (and jeopardize things), do so in the off-season. Don’t do it on a 6-2 team during the bye week.
He let his teammates, the coaches, and himself down.
The giants are not an unlucky team. You make your own luck in life. You put yourself in certain situations where the risk of injury is much higher, you shouldn’t be surprised that you get injured.
Prohibits ATV s, good for him being up front immediately and not trying to cover it up
Some of the comments on this thread….. typical Bbi.
I mean I respect him for being honest about it. Doesn't take away him being stupid and letting down his teammates and coaches. You have a finite amount of years to play a game for a lot of money. Especially during the middle of a season don't do anything to compromise that.
Prohibits ATV s, good for him being up front immediately and not trying to cover it up
Some of the comments on this thread….. typical Bbi.
Yes let's bless the actions of an idiot. I suppose it's also
good that he wasn't shooting of fireworks while doing wheelies. Now that would be some talent.
forgot what its like to be 23, now add millions of dollars. Plenty of mouthbreathers here would be making mistakes. It sucks, but some of you posters are just brutal.
forgot what its like to be 23, now add millions of dollars. Plenty of mouthbreathers here would be making mistakes. It sucks, but some of you posters are just brutal.
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
Umm, your statement makes no sense. Most us also do not get paid Millions to play 17 (and maybe more if we qualify for the playoffs) football games. If this turns out to be doing something stupid, as a team leader in a playoff race I would be VERY disappointed in him.
RE: posted in the comments section of one of the articles..
jacktatumroamingthemiddle says:
November 7, 2022 at 11:45 am
I’ve been to Cabo. I’ve been on the “guided” ATV tour. It basically means, take tourists into the desert and let them act like idiots on four wheelers. I can see how this happened.
Sight unseen, this strikes me as approximate to the reality
forgot what its like to be 23, now add millions of dollars. Plenty of mouthbreathers here would be making mistakes. It sucks, but some of you posters are just brutal.
forgot what its like to be 23, now add millions of dollars. Plenty of mouthbreathers here would be making mistakes. It sucks, but some of you posters are just brutal.
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
If my lively hood to being wealthy relied on me not doing stupid sh*t for a few years while I am in the prime of my career earnings I wouldn't be that dumb.
Maybe he got lucky and its not that serious...but its still dumb however you slice it...especially DURING the season. We aren't even talking the offseason.
I'm not setting off fireworks, I'm not riding ATVS or Motorcycles, I'm not sky diving. Go sit on a beach, eat well, have a bunch of sex with hot women. Da fuq you doing popping wheelies on an ATV...and save me with the "guided tour" stuff. He's 23 he probably thinks he is invincable.
with the Giants injuries over time that I’m eating an early supper after a busy day, and catching up on BBI that I read the thread , a couple of comments, shook my head, thought about then subs for 30 seconds, then dug back in on supper.
Prohibits ATV s, good for him being up front immediately and not trying to cover it up
Some of the comments on this thread….. typical Bbi.
I would bet he is unaware of the prohibition.
It doesn’t make sense to me, unless he’s trying to work his way out. If I were in his shoes, my first inclination would be to cover it up and try to pass it off as a football related injury. He not only doesn’t try to cover it up, but he posts it to the world on twitter before the team even announces anything.
Not like he was doing xtreme sports, I mean he was part of a tour group.
SELF guided tour. SELF guided. In layman's terms, that means nor really a guided tour. Not the way you'd like to think it does. It was a SELF guided tour.
forgot what its like to be 23, now add millions of dollars. Plenty of mouthbreathers here would be making mistakes. It sucks, but some of you posters are just brutal.
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
You are correct. Perhaps he's never felt negative repercussions for fucking up. Now's the time.
Prohibits ATV s, good for him being up front immediately and not trying to cover it up
Some of the comments on this thread….. typical Bbi.
I would bet he is unaware of the prohibition.
It doesn’t make sense to me, unless he’s trying to work his way out. If I were in his shoes, my first inclination would be to cover it up and try to pass it off as a football related injury. He not only doesn’t try to cover it up, but he posts it to the world on twitter before the team even announces anything.
Sorry for my cynicism but, I think he's just being 'coached' well. Like, "Get ahead of this... don't be like Kyrie!"
Reminds me of the DL we had who was accused of sexual assault and hitting a woman with his car. Everyone jumped on his case that he was a preditor. Facts came out and she was trespassing and she jumped on his car as he tried to escape. I'll wait for all the facts then react.
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
What facts? He said he was riding an ATV. His contract specifically says he can’t ride atvs.
Do you know he was reckless? Do you know he was partying? Do you know he was acting crazy? BBI seems to know all of these things. No one debates he was on an ATV, but overreacting without knowing the what actually happened is silly. I'll wait to get on a soap box and yell at him for being stupid
Does his contract specify that riding an ATV is ok unless you are acting crazy partying or whatever? Or does it is does it just say riding atvs?
If his contract says “it’s cool but just be careful” then clearly I’m wrong.
No one said he didn't break his contract. Don't put words out I never said. This thread is spewing shit about partying, being reckless with the vehicle, clawing back his bonus, make an example out of him, etc. You only read what you want to see. If you read what I wrote and you didn't, BBI choses to overreact without the facts. I already know he broke the terms of his deal. That is a fact...All the other stuff is made up bull shit. Once the facts come out and if he was drinking or being reckless then I will roast him. What if he was hit by another vehicle? What if the vehicle was faulty? We don't know that. Hell I don't believe his tweet. Have the Giants seen him to evaluate his condition or is he sugar coating the situation.
Like you said we do know he broke the terms of his contract.
Until they come out with what happened it's all internet hearsay and people shooting from the hip. I'll wait for the rest of the facts to form an opinion
And how is anyone going to prove he was drinking or reckless, even if he was. Excuse making at it's finest....
or he was just fine being all careful, but this "athlete" is just a spaz that can't handle an ATV they rent out to anyone? He was doing dopey shit and you know it.
Assholes maybe. But if you can't understand what I just said then it's obvious you are exactly what and who I am talking about. The company, team,organization, you add in the blank comes first, your pleasures during a bye week should be to heal. Not go on vacation, if you can't understand that then there is nothing further to add.
I like to use my vacation weeks to come in to work extra early.
so sick of guys like this on the Giants. He's a loser, put his selfish childish desires in front of his career and team, get whatever you can for this guy.
RE: Leave to this site to be concerned about what his contract
@DDuggan21
McKinney's contract contains a standard clause that his guaranteed salary becomes void if he is unavailable due to being a rider or passenger in an ATV. Not sure this really matters because I can't imagine the Giants are going to cut McKinney over this. But surely can't be happy.
Why would you question it? Why would it be standard boiler plate in Giants contracts and not in his?????
Assholes maybe. But if you can't understand what I just said then it's obvious you are exactly what and who I am talking about. The company, team,organization, you add in the blank comes first, your pleasures during a bye week should be to heal. Not go on vacation, if you can't understand that then there is nothing further to add.
I like to use my vacation weeks to come in to work extra early.
Just to be clear, I think the atv thing was a bad idea but cutting anyone who leaves town for vacation during the bye week would leave you awful thin. Andrew Thomas also travelled of town.
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
We have a fan base that favors a culture of unaccountability and they wonder why the team sucks. Maybe because it mirrors the values of the community it operates in.
$ is not much of a factor but given where they've been relative to cap
and they will need to make other moves directly because of this, i wouldn't be surprised if they don't pay him while he's out. his base salary was 1.3m this year, just under half already paid each game he misses would save them a little more money than whatever extra veteran minimum player replaces him on the roster.
do you piss off a key player you may be trying to extend in a few months over that little money? or do you need to prove the point now and make sure he responds the right way before extending him to a big deal with a lot more 0's? different question that's hard to answer without knowing the inside of the relationship.
was certainly a hard lesson to have to learn, and let's all hope he learned it. Grateful it wasn't worse. He really let the team down with this, and it should serve to make him a little more circumspect in the future.
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
We have a fan base that favors a culture of unaccountability and they wonder why the team sucks. Maybe because it mirrors the values of the community it operates in.
Lol a football forums reaction to a football safety being a moron is not a microcosm for society!
RE: Leave to this site to be concerned about what his contract
says or doesn't say about this injury, or how he "should" be riding the ATV more carefully.
Bad luck (which this team is never short of) but hopefully XM heals quickly and is tough enough to get his butt back on the field asap.
Next man up and let Wink figure it out.
Nothing to figure out. He breached his contract, simple. I like the guy, hope he's well, want him on the team. Nothing bad to say about him. Law, however, is law. contracts are governed by law. He, and we, will suffer the consequences, on a season where we couldn't have been in a better position, and it get's pissed away because he couldn't abide by the terms of a contract he signed. He's accountable, period. He will have to give an accounting.
Nothing shittier than getting on fans for saying he be held accountable. Ain't our fault dude. We ain't the one. He is.
Hope he heals and gets back into the lineup quickly, hope he isn't suffering, hope he gets well and is with us for a good while. And that he takes his comeuppance like a man, and realizes the SHIT spot he put the team and the fans in.
It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
Under the NO SURFING clause. Better hope you weren't surfing when you got bit.
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BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
We have a fan base that favors a culture of unaccountability and they wonder why the team sucks. Maybe because it mirrors the values of the community it operates in.
Lol a football forums reaction to a football safety being a moron is not a microcosm for society!
Sure it is.
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[quote] forgot what its like to be 23, now add millions of dollars. Plenty of mouthbreathers here would be making mistakes. It sucks, but some of you posters are just brutal.
no one is forgetting. They are dickheads who do dumb shit and think they are invincible. Then they either leasrn to take accountability for their fuck ups and grow up, or they don't. Occasionally one fucks up bad and never really bounces back.
forgot what its like to be 23, now add millions of dollars. Plenty of mouthbreathers here would be making mistakes. It sucks, but some of you posters are just brutal.
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
so what would you suggest be done to avoid future mistakes?
Bunch of flea market contract lawyers having a 3 hour commentary
Assholes maybe. But if you can't understand what I just said then it's obvious you are exactly what and who I am talking about. The company, team,organization, you add in the blank comes first, your pleasures during a bye week should be to heal. Not go on vacation, if you can't understand that then there is nothing further to add.
I like to use my vacation weeks to come in to work extra early.
Just to be clear, I think the atv thing was a bad idea but cutting anyone who leaves town for vacation during the bye week would leave you awful thin. Andrew Thomas also travelled of town.
Andrew Thomas went down to his hometown to hand out turkeys to needy families, and was working out in a performance center. Don’t throw his name around in this mess.
Assholes maybe. But if you can't understand what I just said then it's obvious you are exactly what and who I am talking about. The company, team,organization, you add in the blank comes first, your pleasures during a bye week should be to heal. Not go on vacation, if you can't understand that then there is nothing further to add.
I like to use my vacation weeks to come in to work extra early.
Just to be clear, I think the atv thing was a bad idea but cutting anyone who leaves town for vacation during the bye week would leave you awful thin. Andrew Thomas also travelled of town.
Andrew Thomas went down to his hometown to hand out turkeys to needy families, and was working out in a performance center. Don’t throw his name around in this mess.
All I said was he left town, a prior poster made it seem like that’s the wrong thing to do on the bye.
RE: Perhaps it means no shot at his second contract coming early
as punishment, but I strongly doubt his spot with the Giants will be under fire. Get a grip.
Like most things in life, some severe reactions both ways. Its disappointing but to read people say “fuck this asshole” is, well, flagrantly over the top.
As mentioned there have been zero issues with him as a Giant. He’ll learn from it. And truthfully I think the defense can withstand the blow. Still feel effects, but withstand.
1. The guy clearly fucked up. Should he pay consequences? That’s up to the team to decide. Cutting him is a ridiculously stupid, reactionary conclusion.
2. When you’re in your 20’s, yes, technically you’re a ‘grown ass man’. But, you still do stupid shit. Lots of it. Regardless of your responsibilities. Anyone here who claims they didn’t are full of shit.
This is the same feeling I had after Plax... after JPP... after the boating incident... after Baker's armed robbery.... after Toney simply being drafted. There is simply nothing good about this. McKinney's judgment here stinks. He might want to research what happened to Danny Frisella, Brewers pitcher and former Met, who went out on a dune buggy adventure during the prime of his career and was killed.
And McKinney's less than candid tweet stating that it was a "guided tour" and he would miss a couple of weeks was more of the charlatan crap characteristic of the prior coaching regime.
Is this a teachable moment as some here are lecturing to the fans who have had to suffer through this decade of disgrace? I doubt it. It is very difficult to get the "bad judgment genie" back in the bottle. Should there be punishment? Clearly, he would be cut instantly if he wasn't among the most talent players on the team. But like Kyrie Irving, we are now stuck with a highly talented player whose judgment stinks. At the very least, his captaincy should be stripped.
I feel bad for Daboll and the guys who are truly committed to football and building a championship calibre program. Until now, I had thought that McKinney was one of those guys. I was wrong.
forgot what its like to be 23, now add millions of dollars. Plenty of mouthbreathers here would be making mistakes. It sucks, but some of you posters are just brutal.
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
so what would you suggest be done to avoid future mistakes?
Well somefan, let me you what thefan thinks... How the fuck should I know? These kids are probably violating their contracts all over the league. Every once in a while some idiot kid is going to fuck up like Xavier did.
....all I thought about is JPP & Plax. I know we can't watch the players around the clock, but I'm so sad that our beloved players continue getting hurt on their free time. I wish for all of the best for Xavier McKinney, and can't wait to see him fully recovered and back on the field.
Get well young man, and know your fans have your back.
....all I thought about is JPP & Plax. I know we can't watch the players around the clock, but I'm so sad that our beloved players continue getting hurt on their free time. I wish for all of the best for Xavier McKinney, and can't wait to see him fully recovered and back on the field.
Get well young man, and know your fans have your back.
Look at it this way, we got off easy this time. Plax threw away an SB run and he was a vet. JPP doomed our pass rush and he was a vet too. It could've been worse, I know people who have died on ATVs. Giants just need to step up and win Sunday.
This is the same feeling I had after Plax... after JPP... after the boating incident... after Baker's armed robbery.... after Toney simply being drafted. There is simply nothing good about this. McKinney's judgment here stinks. He might want to research what happened to Danny Frisella, Brewers pitcher and former Met, who went out on a dune buggy adventure during the prime of his career and was killed.
And McKinney's less than candid tweet stating that it was a "guided tour" and he would miss a couple of weeks was more of the charlatan crap characteristic of the prior coaching regime.
Is this a teachable moment as some here are lecturing to the fans who have had to suffer through this decade of disgrace? I doubt it. It is very difficult to get the "bad judgment genie" back in the bottle. Should there be punishment? Clearly, he would be cut instantly if he wasn't among the most talent players on the team. But like Kyrie Irving, we are now stuck with a highly talented player whose judgment stinks. At the very least, his captaincy should be stripped.
I feel bad for Daboll and the guys who are truly committed to football and building a championship calibre program. Until now, I had thought that McKinney was one of those guys. I was wrong.
Oh my fucking god... the sanctimony on this board is truly epic. I hope all of you demi-gods bless your family, friends and careers with the same unlimited dedication and immutable decision making that you project on to your SPORTS TEAM...
This is the same feeling I had after Plax... after JPP... after the boating incident... after Baker's armed robbery.... after Toney simply being drafted. There is simply nothing good about this. McKinney's judgment here stinks. He might want to research what happened to Danny Frisella, Brewers pitcher and former Met, who went out on a dune buggy adventure during the prime of his career and was killed.
And McKinney's less than candid tweet stating that it was a "guided tour" and he would miss a couple of weeks was more of the charlatan crap characteristic of the prior coaching regime.
Is this a teachable moment as some here are lecturing to the fans who have had to suffer through this decade of disgrace? I doubt it. It is very difficult to get the "bad judgment genie" back in the bottle. Should there be punishment? Clearly, he would be cut instantly if he wasn't among the most talent players on the team. But like Kyrie Irving, we are now stuck with a highly talented player whose judgment stinks. At the very least, his captaincy should be stripped.
I feel bad for Daboll and the guys who are truly committed to football and building a championship calibre program. Until now, I had thought that McKinney was one of those guys. I was wrong.
Holy Smokes Mike…. You make this kind of judgment about a kid you ve never even met!
He s 23 and got on a ATV, I m 74 and I just got on one this summer. People live their lives, he didn’t purposely try to get hurt. He s a great athlete and young, they do things like this. He just got in an accident. We have no idea if he was being reckless.
Even if he was, who here hasn’t done the same
To say he s not committed to this team is just so judgmental. Pretty certain he is a big part of their future
You re upset he can’t play. Some of you guys take this stuff way too personal
This is exactly the actual thing you don’t want players doing in their free time.
Selfish.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
RE: Defer judgment; a guided tour doesn't mean he was hot dogging
Smart Tough and Dependable. Toney was none of those things. Maybe you like him because of his skin color. We just wanted a great WR and he was never available. I don’t give a damn what color skin he has.
I work in medicine, have some familiarity but obviously don't know his particular injury. That said the surgical intervention to multiple fingers and the splint he was in = he had pins placed. Pins will need to remain for 4-5 weeks minimum. After that, I am not sure how soon he can return as the context of the injury matters, but a 6-7 week timetable seems reasonable.
*ducks head and runs out of thread*
Ugh
Selfish.
Selfish.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
How bad is the hand? JPP-bad?
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This is exactly the actual thing you don’t want players doing in their free time.
Selfish.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
Couldn't he do all the crazy shit in the OFFSEASON? He's in Cabo. Grab a fucking margarita and lay out in the sun. Don't fucking take unnecessary risks during the season. SHIT. HAPPENS.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
It doesnt matter if the fans are pissed - but soemthing like this could be a breach of a contract - which many teams institute now so shit like this doesnt happen. Lets wait to here the severity, but he could actually be fined or suspended depending on the nature of the incident.
We still have plenty of time to stick to our one super bowl win per decade pattern.
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This is exactly the actual thing you don’t want players doing in their free time.
Selfish.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
There is a difference between going to bed at 9 PM and engaging in activity during a bye week that predictably injures you. This isn't a car accident
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This is exactly the actual thing you don’t want players doing in their free time.
Selfish.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
Wait, You think he might be contractually barred from ATVs and rode one anyway and will now miss time, But I’m selfish for thinking he shouldn’t have done it?
Not like he was doing xtreme sports, I mean he was part of a tour group.
That's all.
Why would you think he would lose part of his hand?
I don't find being on a supervised ATV tour malpractice. Now if this was some non sanctioned tour or he was breaking protocols then I think you can question his judgement much more.
Next man up: Dane Belton
There is a reason why teams usually put riding them on the list of things athletes can't do when under contract, along with sky diving and motorcycles, etc.
Could have blown a tire, hit a hidden hole, swerved to avoid hitting an animal that ran in front of him (happened to me once, I fell but wasn't injured)
A “few” weeks makes me think he’s heading to IR.
Giants have lost the following players for multiple games
- Thibs
- Neal
- Ojulari
- Williams
- Bellinger
- McKinney
- W. Robinson
- A. Robinson
- Bredeson
- Lemieux
- Ximines
- Davidson
- McKethan
- Beavers
- Flott
- Colin Johnson
- Golladay
- Shepard
That’s 19 guys who were expected to contribute that have missed significant time.
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More than a “few” weeks. We’ll see.
How bad is the hand? JPP-bad?
No idea what he did but I heard 8 weeks, which is more than a “few”.
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More than a “few” weeks. We’ll see.
How bad is the hand? JPP-bad?
No idea what he did but I heard 8 weeks, which is more than a “few”.
Wow. I hope your source is full of shit, no offense.
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More than a “few” weeks. We’ll see.
How bad is the hand? JPP-bad?
No idea what he did but I heard 8 weeks, which is more than a “few”.
So hopefully back for the Colts game...maybe. Or for the playoffs. Dammit.
Sounds like he'll be out a while. Wouldn't be surprised if he's gone for the year.
What a Dumb Ass.
Twitter claims this article shows that he violated terms of his contract.
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More than a “few” weeks. We’ll see.
How bad is the hand? JPP-bad?
No idea what he did but I heard 8 weeks, which is more than a “few”.
8 weeks lol. Can't make this stuff up. Season over for X.
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I doubt the Giants will do it since the injury isn’t career altering and they see him as a long term piece
OK, I laughed out loud at that one.
Here's a Hollywood recreation of the ATV touring group.....
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Guaranteed salary in a Giants player’s contract “shall immediately become null and void in its entirety … if a player is unavailable to Club as a result of engaging in any activity which may involve a significant risk of personal injury … including, but not limited to, water or snow skiing, surfing, hang gliding, bungee jumping, diving, sky diving, rock or mountain climbing, race car driving as driver or passenger, riding a motorcycle, motor bike, all-terrain or similar vehicle as driver or passenger, professional or amateur wrestling.”
I doubt the Giants will do it since the injury isn’t career altering and they see him as a long term piece
Thanks. And neither do I, but it’s a real bad look for the defensive captain and one of the leaders of the team.
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McKinney's contract contains a standard clause that his guaranteed salary becomes void if he is unavailable due to being a rider or passenger in an ATV. Not sure this really matters because I can't imagine the Giants are going to cut McKinney over this. But surely can't be happy.
I've known people who have done just that on the group tours. You are still driving your own ATV. He could easily have been doing something stupid and flipped it.
@RapSheet
In other news... #Giants S Xavier McKinney suffered a broken hand while on vacation during the bye week, source said, and now will miss several weeks.
Lol only pain following this team
Terrible look for him, especially with the photo Ward has posted to his IG.
Getting hurt in the process of Violating his contract.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
Why does Ward posting pics of himself doing a wheelie have anything to do with McKinney?
Before the 2016 GB playoff game.
Just terrific!
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous. But rapping in your free time is wayyyy over the line.
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Terrible look for him, especially with the photo Ward has posted to his IG.
Why does Ward posting pics of himself doing a wheelie have anything to do with McKinney?
that we have two moron players risking injury on a bye week.
Bullshit take! People only get injured when they are being reckless, likely due to drugs and alcohol! Who amongst us have not wanted to ride an ATV on planned tour but avoided it because of the loved one we may leave behind in the most likely event of our death?
Shit happens folks. Until we know we was actually doing something dangerous lets hold off on the criticism.
im sure there'd be the same level of vitriol if he got into a car accident
yes it voids money in his contract but come on theyre not going after it with the example that would set for potential free agents
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After JPP's hand incident, you have to think all Giants contracts have stipulations like this, and most teams do as well. Not like that is super helpful, but if they need the $ to operate they can always make it up to him in an extension...
Motorcycles and fireworks/explosives I get. That's boilerplate high risk stuff you see everywhere. Riding 4-wheelers though?
There is an article in this thread breaking down what’s in giants contracts. It’s not too far up from your post.
And yes - for the opportunity to earn millions in a short amount of time - yes, you can play it safe and go to bed early…
Not like he was doing xtreme sports, I mean he was part of a tour group.
😵
*ducks head and runs out of thread*
Imagine still being a Toney fanboy after he's not even on the team anymore.
he didn't strain both hammies.
If he needs a cast, then it sounds like he broke at least one bone.
2015: JPP blows his hand off
2016: McKinney ATV accident
Fun AF, but dangerous AF.
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BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous. But rapping in your free time is wayyyy over the line.
Your incessant obsession with Toney and rapping is one the the stupidest fucking things I’ve seen on this site.
Yeah, everyone hates Toney because he raps. It has nothing to do with the laundry list of other things that went on during his tenure. Nope. It’s because he raps. And apparently he’s the only one in the league that does. That’s why everyone hates him
Take your racist bullshit somewhere else, clown.
The fact you managed to get injured during it means you're 1) An idiot and 2) Were riding aggressively while on the ATV, which you definitely should be crucified for.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
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BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous. But rapping in your free time is wayyyy over the line.
Your incessant obsession with Toney and rapping is one the the stupidest fucking things I’ve seen on this site.
Yeah, everyone hates Toney because he raps. It has nothing to do with the laundry list of other things that went on during his tenure. Nope. It’s because he raps. And apparently he’s the only one in the league that does. That’s why everyone hates him
Take your racist bullshit somewhere else, clown.
Racist? Please explain how I’m racist.
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doesn't sound that bad to me, just bad luck.
Not like he was doing xtreme sports, I mean he was part of a tour group.
Yeah, this. This shouldn't be a dangerous activity.
Adding: Yes, per the above, it's a contract violation and he shouldn't have done it. I would assume a guided ATV tour is on a pre-selected trail, with controlled speeds. So I can see why he'd think it's ok. But if it's in the contract that he can't, it's not ok.
Sort of related: I once did the "Maui Downhill", where you come down from the top of the volcano on a bicycle. Opted to do it solo, un-guided. You can go pretty fast. The guided groups were going at a very measured pace. Much slower. But if you crashed on the way down, you could still get hurt. So even "safe" activities can be dangerous. Stuff happens.
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It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
November 7, 2022 at 11:45 am
I’ve been to Cabo. I’ve been on the “guided” ATV tour. It basically means, take tourists into the desert and let them act like idiots on four wheelers. I can see how this happened.
Sucks for us but it was an ACCIDENT. The superiority on this thread is hilarious.
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doesn't sound that bad to me, just bad luck.
Not like he was doing xtreme sports, I mean he was part of a tour group.
Yeah, this. This shouldn't be a dangerous activity.
It shouldn't be, but the fact that he managed to hurt himself suggests he may not have been behaving safely. If the ATV malfunctioned or something, I feel like that's the kind of detail you mention in your story.
Bad luck (which this team is never short of) but hopefully XM heals quickly and is tough enough to get his butt back on the field asap.
Next man up and let Wink figure it out.
Sucks for us but it was an ACCIDENT. The superiority on this thread is hilarious.
Guy his contract says he can’t ride them. Accident or not he did it while violating the contract he signed.
wear the green dot?
Who will now???
I got nothing else.
The fact you managed to get injured during it means you're 1) An idiot and 2) Were riding aggressively while on the ATV, which you definitely should be crucified for.
+1
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
+1.
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It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
What happened to McKinney is in "Fucked Around And Found Out" territory.
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It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
Why is that the argument though? If the contract forbids you from riding one at all, then he was out line for simply riding one.
Vehicle up!
Benefit of the doubt as in maybe he didn’t hurt himself riding an suv?
Vehicle up!
Who do we predict is the first to get injured riding a rascal?
Probably cost him 100+ million.
Young guys do stupid scheit.
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...it really sucks, but I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Benefit of the doubt as in maybe he didn’t hurt himself riding an suv?
That he wasn't acting like a clown and just had an accident.
Well he didn’t lose his hand. Not the brightest idea on vacation
But I will give X a break, I am pretty sure he realized this the second he did it.
Guy never been a problem, will hurt during dallas game. But we will get thru.
Hopefully back for Washington
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It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
Why is that the argument though? If the contract forbids you from riding one at all, then he was out line for simply riding one.
^This. Hiis contract said he couldn't ride and ATV. Period.
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...it really sucks, but I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Benefit of the doubt as in maybe he didn’t hurt himself riding an suv?
That he wasn't acting like a clown and just had an accident.
The odds that he hurt himself on an ATV without behaving like a jackass aren't very high. If that's what happened, I'd fully expect him to include that detail in the story.
Sucks for us but it was an ACCIDENT. The superiority on this thread is hilarious.
An accident is when you take all precautions and something happens anyway. This was reckless and irresponsible.
Vehicle up!
LOL.
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Sucks for us but it was an ACCIDENT. The superiority on this thread is hilarious.
An accident is when you take all precautions and something happens anyway. This was reckless and irresponsible.
100% correct. These guys are all millionaire professional atheletes, it was a stupid decision and now he has to pay the price. Hope that this doesn’t affect his career, Giants should absolutely not pay guaranteed salary. Why reward bad behavior. Unless something come out that they knew about his actions and approved it, and it was truly some freak accident (highly highly unlikely) then McKinney has hurt the team and gone against what this GM and Coach have preached all off-season “Tough, Smart, Dependable”. This was stupid and avoidable, now he can’t be depended on by his team.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
Twitter claims this article shows that he violated terms of his contract.
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A tweet referencing an article from 2019 (before McKinney was even on the team) means that McKinney's contract definitely prohibits it?
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't, but none of us have seen his contract. We don't know.
So for those that are pissed that he (maybe) violated a provision of his contract, maybe take a breath and wait to see if it actually did.
Yeh I bet team knows too and told him what to say. Might as well keep the shit storm to a minimum.
If there was actual guided tour there would be pics for sure. Players are also more cognizant of this shit now so if he was dicking around on an ATV gotta think the pics got deleted. If taken at all, I could see a young “invinceable” man knows he wasn’t supposed to (def discussed by coaches into bye not to do dangerous shit) but did anyway because “eh I’m a pro athlete I got this”
Guided tours are pretty lackadaisical
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
NFL teams would disagree with you - it usually is put into contracts. If teams didnt think it was risky - why do they have their players sign it?
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
So how did he get hurt? If it was that easy to hurt yourself on a guided ATV tour while behaving yourself, there wouldn't be guided ATV tours.
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
Wrong...it's risky. and "majority of people"? No no no....other way around.....most people with any sense know that getting on an ATV is risky, regardless if it is "organized" or not...like "organized" means it's less risky somehow....that's utterly ridiculous...."organized means they're insured....that's it.....JFC! He did a bad thing
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It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
Why is that the argument though? If the contract forbids you from riding one at all, then he was out line for simply riding one.
Because that was the immediate conclusion people here jumped to. The contractual terms didn't really kick in until a bit later in the thread. As I stated above, no one knows jack until we see the full details, and that includes how long he may be out. In fact, the contractual clause may not be enforceable if he was participating in a resort-approved/led tour.
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Who do we predict is the first to get injured riding a rascal?
George Costanza.
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
And yet he now has a broken hand and allegedly violated the terms of his contract. So seriously, I need to reevaluate? Just because “it’s organized” doesn’t mean it’s safe.
I'll never agree that the reaction was overblown. It wasn't a bye week or a little boat trip for a few hours off the coast of Jersey.
They flew to south beach in the middle of Sunday night and appeared to have partied through Monday morning. Do you really think they were at their best when they showed up to a very important practice on Tuesday? (or Wed?).
Have you ever partied all night? I remember even when I was younger, I might not be at my best sometimes for days after.
It was also a travel week, so the little practice time they had was critical.
If OBJ and the other receivers played well that game, there probably wouldn't have been much reaction afterwards. But they didn't. In fact, there were multiple drops, including iirc, OBJ dropping a TD pass in the first half (when the game was competitive).
Was it the best way to prepare for a playoff game on a short week (due to travel)? F no, if you ask me. Smart dependable players would've saved the celebration for AFTER the playoffs.
ATV rides are riskier than riding on a motorcycle, and I don't want any of the Giant players riding motorcycles either
X. McKinney bonehead move was predictable.... - ( New Window )
I guarantee the Giants are pissed at him.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
False equivalency....nobody buys that.....stop
It's boilerplate. Why would the Giants remove that specific clause?
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
False equivalency....nobody buys that.....stop
Everything has an incidence of risk, and much of that risk depends on how you perform the action. No false equivalency at all.
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
Does his contract forbid him from crossing the street?
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McKinney's contract contains a standard clause that his guaranteed salary becomes void if he is unavailable due to being a rider or passenger in an ATV. Not sure this really matters because I can't imagine the Giants are going to cut McKinney over this. But surely can't be happy.
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Let me just follow-up here because I see some confusion: It's really inconsequential because they're obviously not cutting him. And he only had $525K guaranteed this year and half has been paid. It would be a much bigger deal with a vet they didn't want with a big salary.
McKinney's contract contains a standard clause that his guaranteed salary becomes void if he is unavailable due to being a rider or passenger in an ATV. Not sure this really matters because I can't imagine the Giants are going to cut McKinney over this. But surely can't be happy.
Well, they can at the very least, fine him.
I wonder if the 'disclaimer' in the standard player's contract was adjusted after the JPP incident, or was always in there? No biggie, just a bit curious.
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
Really? That’s your argument in support of his choice of activity.
ATV rides are riskier than riding on a motorcycle, and I don't want any of the Giant players riding motorcycles either X. McKinney bonehead move was predictable.... - ( New Window )
I've rode both and agree ATVs seem more dangerous to me. People might get a false sense of security on ATVs vs. motorcycles because of the 4 wheels.
Sucks for us but it was an ACCIDENT. The superiority on this thread is hilarious.
Sure, an accident, but an accident while he was doing something he was contractually obligated not to do. This isn't Chad Jones getting injured after falling asleep driving home after minicamp. They won't do it, but the Giants have every right to terminate his contract and take back a chunk of his signing bonus.
He must have been driving the ATV on Metlife's turf...
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
Does his contract forbid him from crossing the street?
Doesn't matter...he could still suffer debilitating injuries.
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
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It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
Would not be surprised if scuba diving and diving with sharks is prohibited.
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
Really? That’s your argument in support of his choice of activity.
It isn't any kind of argument; it's just a comment on the heated rhetoric here about an incident we know little about with an outcome that's even more obscure at this point.
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
Crossing streets is necessary for life maintenance? Funniest thing I've heard today. I'll grant you, it's too far to walk around, but you appear to be equating it with food, O2, and water.
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Sucks for us but it was an ACCIDENT. The superiority on this thread is hilarious.
An accident is when you take all precautions and something happens anyway. This was reckless and irresponsible.
100% correct. These guys are all millionaire professional atheletes, it was a stupid decision and now he has to pay the price. Hope that this doesn’t affect his career, Giants should absolutely not pay guaranteed salary. Why reward bad behavior. Unless something come out that they knew about his actions and approved it, and it was truly some freak accident (highly highly unlikely) then McKinney has hurt the team and gone against what this GM and Coach have preached all off-season “Tough, Smart, Dependable”. This was stupid and avoidable, now he can’t be depended on by his team.
He's not the only one paying the price.
The Giants will be paying for a player that can't play (unless they decide to terminate the contract) and his salary will still be part of the salary cap, so he can't be replaced.
And his teammates now pay the price, having to play out of position. Not to mention this might end up costing the team a playoff spot. Then his teammates lose a playoff check. How much do you think that would mean to guys on minimal contracts? Not to mention the Giants losing revenue.
All this is why you have that clause in the contract.
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
Crossing streets is necessary for life maintenance? Funniest thing I've heard today. I'll grant you, it's too far to walk around, but you appear to be equating it with food, O2, and water.
I live in NYC. Should I not go into the office to work or the super market to eat, or get medicine. If I want to do those things I need to cross the street.
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Sorry, Bernie, but you are the one who needs to reevaluate. He took an organized tour on ATVs. You may consider that a risky activity, but for the majority of people it is not at all risky.
Wrong...it's risky. and "majority of people"? No no no....other way around.....most people with any sense know that getting on an ATV is risky, regardless if it is "organized" or not...like "organized" means it's less risky somehow....that's utterly ridiculous...."organized means they're insured....that's it.....JFC! He did a bad thing
This. There are no rules in most of these countries. There is no OSHA. The equipment can be defective. You can go to Belize, Mexico and a whole lot of other countries and take a 30-minute scuba diving course and then go dive. In the US you need about 10 to 15 hours of in-pool and classroom training, and an instructor led open water dive before you can get your certification.
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
Crossing streets is necessary for life maintenance? Funniest thing I've heard today. I'll grant you, it's too far to walk around, but you appear to be equating it with food, O2, and water.
I live in NYC. Should I not go into the office to work or the super market to eat, or get medicine. If I want to do those things I need to cross the street.
If you sign a contract saying you won’t, then you probably shouldn’t n
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
What facts? He said he was riding an ATV. His contract specifically says he can’t ride atvs.
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
Crossing streets is necessary for life maintenance? Funniest thing I've heard today. I'll grant you, it's too far to walk around, but you appear to be equating it with food, O2, and water.
I live in NYC. Should I not go into the office to work or the super market to eat, or get medicine. If I want to do those things I need to cross the street.
If you sign a contract saying you won’t, then you probably shouldn’t n
I was arguing what you were arguing in that walking across the street is not a good example of risk. Yes, it has risk involved, but the risk is necessary to live life. Recreation stuff that you contract out of is not necessary and should be avoided if you agreed to do it to get paid.
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But anyone defending him needs to reevaluate. He is a professional athlete with an obligation to his teammates. Participating in any risky activity that increased his chance of injury is irresponsible. He has an obligation to do everything in his power to avoid physical injury when not on the field. Very disappointing.
Guess he better avoid crossing the street!
This is such a silly argument. Yes, there is risk in crossing the street, I live in NYC it is a lot of risk. But, there is risk in doing activities needed to maintain life. Then, there is risk that is not necessary to maintaining life, such as ATVs, pickup basketball, stuff like that. In other words, things that you can live life without if someone is willing to pay you a ton of money to stay healthy. Street walking is the former, ATV driving is the latter. Not a hard concept.
Crossing streets is necessary for life maintenance? Funniest thing I've heard today. I'll grant you, it's too far to walk around, but you appear to be equating it with food, O2, and water.
Man, you have got to be kidding that you don't get it......let's extrapolate even further so maybe you can have a clearer view.
to you, there's absolutely no difference in the risk associated with me sitting on my couch versus me going sky diving, as long as ai do both safely? I am just as safe, either way, as long as I am doing them both safely?
R E A L L Y?
Do all that bullshit in the offseason.
Very irresponsible.
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Sucks for us but it was an ACCIDENT. The superiority on this thread is hilarious.
An accident is when you take all precautions and something happens anyway. This was reckless and irresponsible.
100% correct. These guys are all millionaire professional atheletes, it was a stupid decision and now he has to pay the price. Hope that this doesn’t affect his career, Giants should absolutely not pay guaranteed salary. Why reward bad behavior. Unless something come out that they knew about his actions and approved it, and it was truly some freak accident (highly highly unlikely) then McKinney has hurt the team and gone against what this GM and Coach have preached all off-season “Tough, Smart, Dependable”. This was stupid and avoidable, now he can’t be depended on by his team.
He's not the only one paying the price.
The Giants will be paying for a player that can't play (unless they decide to terminate the contract) and his salary will still be part of the salary cap, so he can't be replaced.
And his teammates now pay the price, having to play out of position. Not to mention this might end up costing the team a playoff spot. Then his teammates lose a playoff check. How much do you think that would mean to guys on minimal contracts? Not to mention the Giants losing revenue.
All this is why you have that clause in the contract.
Yes absolutely. I agree and thank you for further elaborating the point I was trying to make.
THIS.
Take some responsibility. He has to go on vacation during his off week AND engage in something dangerous?
1) He got hurt, that is known.
2) It was on an ATV
2a) the ATV was supposedly a group tour thing
3) He may or may not have had a clause in his contract about doing such activities.
Anyone that claims to know what happened is lying or just assuming. That goes both ways though.
The statements like- I guess I can't cross the street or swim as I might get bitten by a Shark are so stupid. We need to stop feeling like we have to have a definitive and absolute opinion about shit we know nothing about.
I am eager to hear how an atv in a tour was in accident that caused an injury. I have zero idea what happened or how and thus want to hear the details about it.
That is the bulk of what we can expect here at the moment. From those details we can formulate an informed opinion on what probably we feel was the right or wrong decision here.
The biggest thing we can all agree on is that this sucks and is VERY poorly timed.
oh calm the fuck down
okay now this is just stupid
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Reminds me of the DL we had who was accused of sexual assault and hitting a woman with his car. Everyone jumped on his case that he was a preditor. Facts came out and she was trespassing and she jumped on his car as he tried to escape. I'll wait for all the facts then react.
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
What facts? He said he was riding an ATV. His contract specifically says he can’t ride atvs.
Oh well...
Youth is wasted on the young.
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Reminds me of the DL we had who was accused of sexual assault and hitting a woman with his car. Everyone jumped on his case that he was a preditor. Facts came out and she was trespassing and she jumped on his car as he tried to escape. I'll wait for all the facts then react.
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
What facts? He said he was riding an ATV. His contract specifically says he can’t ride atvs.
Do you know he was reckless? Do you know he was partying? Do you know he was acting crazy? BBI seems to know all of these things. No one debates he was on an ATV, but overreacting without knowing the what actually happened is silly. I'll wait to get on a soap box and yell at him for being stupid
Does his contract specify that riding an ATV is ok unless you are acting crazy partying or whatever? Or does it is does it just say riding atvs?
If his contract says “it’s cool but just be careful” then clearly I’m wrong.
lol
You don't cut him. But this may give us some salary cap relief if we are lucky.
Lighten up Francis.
Being a plus player aside, he's a vocal leader and one guy who the other DBs have looked to. This type of mistake is disappointing to say the least - hopefully it's minor and he has no setbacks, and most importantly, learns from it.
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Reminds me of the DL we had who was accused of sexual assault and hitting a woman with his car. Everyone jumped on his case that he was a preditor. Facts came out and she was trespassing and she jumped on his car as he tried to escape. I'll wait for all the facts then react.
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
What facts? He said he was riding an ATV. His contract specifically says he can’t ride atvs.
Do you know he was reckless? Do you know he was partying? Do you know he was acting crazy? BBI seems to know all of these things. No one debates he was on an ATV, but overreacting without knowing the what actually happened is silly. I'll wait to get on a soap box and yell at him for being stupid
Does his contract specify that riding an ATV is ok unless you are acting crazy partying or whatever? Or does it is does it just say riding atvs?
If his contract says “it’s cool but just be careful” then clearly I’m wrong.
No one said he didn't break his contract. Don't put words out I never said. This thread is spewing shit about partying, being reckless with the vehicle, clawing back his bonus, make an example out of him, etc. You only read what you want to see. If you read what I wrote and you didn't, BBI choses to overreact without the facts. I already know he broke the terms of his deal. That is a fact...All the other stuff is made up bull shit. Once the facts come out and if he was drinking or being reckless then I will roast him. What if he was hit by another vehicle? What if the vehicle was faulty? We don't know that. Hell I don't believe his tweet. Have the Giants seen him to evaluate his condition or is he sugar coating the situation.
Like you said we do know he broke the terms of his contract.
Until they come out with what happened it's all internet hearsay and people shooting from the hip. I'll wait for the rest of the facts to form an opinion
At least he will help us then.
He let his teammates, the coaches, and himself down.
The giants are not an unlucky team. You make your own luck in life. You put yourself in certain situations where the risk of injury is much higher, you shouldn’t be surprised that you get injured.
Yeah, that's just not good.
Yeah, that's just not good. Test for the new coach.
Some of the comments on this thread….. typical Bbi.
Team Captain to boot.
Not good X.
Some of the comments on this thread….. typical Bbi.
I mean I respect him for being honest about it. Doesn't take away him being stupid and letting down his teammates and coaches. You have a finite amount of years to play a game for a lot of money. Especially during the middle of a season don't do anything to compromise that.
Some of the comments on this thread….. typical Bbi.
Yes let's bless the actions of an idiot. I suppose it's also
good that he wasn't shooting of fireworks while doing wheelies. Now that would be some talent.
Some of the comments on this thread….. typical Bbi.
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
Umm, your statement makes no sense. Most us also do not get paid Millions to play 17 (and maybe more if we qualify for the playoffs) football games. If this turns out to be doing something stupid, as a team leader in a playoff race I would be VERY disappointed in him.
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I’ve been to Cabo. I’ve been on the “guided” ATV tour. It basically means, take tourists into the desert and let them act like idiots on four wheelers. I can see how this happened.
Sight unseen, this strikes me as approximate to the reality
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
not on the bye week, I wouldn't be.
offseason? Sure, I get it.
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
If my lively hood to being wealthy relied on me not doing stupid sh*t for a few years while I am in the prime of my career earnings I wouldn't be that dumb.
Maybe he got lucky and its not that serious...but its still dumb however you slice it...especially DURING the season. We aren't even talking the offseason.
I'm not setting off fireworks, I'm not riding ATVS or Motorcycles, I'm not sky diving. Go sit on a beach, eat well, have a bunch of sex with hot women. Da fuq you doing popping wheelies on an ATV...and save me with the "guided tour" stuff. He's 23 he probably thinks he is invincable.
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Some of the comments on this thread….. typical Bbi.
I would bet he is unaware of the prohibition.
It doesn’t make sense to me, unless he’s trying to work his way out. If I were in his shoes, my first inclination would be to cover it up and try to pass it off as a football related injury. He not only doesn’t try to cover it up, but he posts it to the world on twitter before the team even announces anything.
Not like he was doing xtreme sports, I mean he was part of a tour group.
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
You are correct. Perhaps he's never felt negative repercussions for fucking up. Now's the time.
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Prohibits ATV s, good for him being up front immediately and not trying to cover it up
Some of the comments on this thread….. typical Bbi.
I would bet he is unaware of the prohibition.
It doesn’t make sense to me, unless he’s trying to work his way out. If I were in his shoes, my first inclination would be to cover it up and try to pass it off as a football related injury. He not only doesn’t try to cover it up, but he posts it to the world on twitter before the team even announces anything.
Sorry for my cynicism but, I think he's just being 'coached' well. Like, "Get ahead of this... don't be like Kyrie!"
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In comment 15900317 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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In comment 15900269 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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Reminds me of the DL we had who was accused of sexual assault and hitting a woman with his car. Everyone jumped on his case that he was a preditor. Facts came out and she was trespassing and she jumped on his car as he tried to escape. I'll wait for all the facts then react.
One other thing, are the Giants the only team in NFL history to come out of the bye more injured than when they went in?
What facts? He said he was riding an ATV. His contract specifically says he can’t ride atvs.
Do you know he was reckless? Do you know he was partying? Do you know he was acting crazy? BBI seems to know all of these things. No one debates he was on an ATV, but overreacting without knowing the what actually happened is silly. I'll wait to get on a soap box and yell at him for being stupid
Does his contract specify that riding an ATV is ok unless you are acting crazy partying or whatever? Or does it is does it just say riding atvs?
If his contract says “it’s cool but just be careful” then clearly I’m wrong.
No one said he didn't break his contract. Don't put words out I never said. This thread is spewing shit about partying, being reckless with the vehicle, clawing back his bonus, make an example out of him, etc. You only read what you want to see. If you read what I wrote and you didn't, BBI choses to overreact without the facts. I already know he broke the terms of his deal. That is a fact...All the other stuff is made up bull shit. Once the facts come out and if he was drinking or being reckless then I will roast him. What if he was hit by another vehicle? What if the vehicle was faulty? We don't know that. Hell I don't believe his tweet. Have the Giants seen him to evaluate his condition or is he sugar coating the situation.
Like you said we do know he broke the terms of his contract.
Until they come out with what happened it's all internet hearsay and people shooting from the hip. I'll wait for the rest of the facts to form an opinion
or he was just fine being all careful, but this "athlete" is just a spaz that can't handle an ATV they rent out to anyone? He was doing dopey shit and you know it.
I like to use my vacation weeks to come in to work extra early.
Bad luck (which this team is never short of) but hopefully XM heals quickly and is tough enough to get his butt back on the field asap.
Next man up and let Wink figure it out.
McKinney's contract contains a standard clause that his guaranteed salary becomes void if he is unavailable due to being a rider or passenger in an ATV. Not sure this really matters because I can't imagine the Giants are going to cut McKinney over this. But surely can't be happy.
Why would you question it? Why would it be standard boiler plate in Giants contracts and not in his?????
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Assholes maybe. But if you can't understand what I just said then it's obvious you are exactly what and who I am talking about. The company, team,organization, you add in the blank comes first, your pleasures during a bye week should be to heal. Not go on vacation, if you can't understand that then there is nothing further to add.
I like to use my vacation weeks to come in to work extra early.
Just to be clear, I think the atv thing was a bad idea but cutting anyone who leaves town for vacation during the bye week would leave you awful thin. Andrew Thomas also travelled of town.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
do you piss off a key player you may be trying to extend in a few months over that little money? or do you need to prove the point now and make sure he responds the right way before extending him to a big deal with a lot more 0's? different question that's hard to answer without knowing the inside of the relationship.
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BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
We have a fan base that favors a culture of unaccountability and they wonder why the team sucks. Maybe because it mirrors the values of the community it operates in.
Lol a football forums reaction to a football safety being a moron is not a microcosm for society!
Bad luck (which this team is never short of) but hopefully XM heals quickly and is tough enough to get his butt back on the field asap.
Next man up and let Wink figure it out.
Nothing shittier than getting on fans for saying he be held accountable. Ain't our fault dude. We ain't the one. He is.
Hope he heals and gets back into the lineup quickly, hope he isn't suffering, hope he gets well and is with us for a good while. And that he takes his comeuppance like a man, and realizes the SHIT spot he put the team and the fans in.
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No one has blamed this on Ronnie Barnes yet
He must have been driving the ATV on Metlife's turf...
Well played.
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In comment 15899932 Greg from LI said:
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It's a tour group. He wasn't doing wheelies and jumps with it. Just bad luck.
This. ATVs are no more dangerous than any other vehicle when ridden correctly and responsibly. I suppose if he went swimming and got bit by a shark you all would find some way to make that his fault, too. How about reading an accident report before bloviating?
When your contract prohibits something, and you hurt yourself doing that, yeah it’s his fault.
That isn't the argument. Did he do something out of line while riding is the argument. By the way, where's the contractual clause about getting bit by a shark?
Under the NO SURFING clause. Better hope you weren't surfing when you got bit.
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In comment 15900041 Essex said:
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BBI: He is young and is entitled to have a good time. Or ATV's are not really dangerous.
You can't make this up. He is a grown man, who signed a contract and was told not to do something or you won't get paid. What's the point of these things if not enforced.
We have a fan base that favors a culture of unaccountability and they wonder why the team sucks. Maybe because it mirrors the values of the community it operates in.
Lol a football forums reaction to a football safety being a moron is not a microcosm for society!
The number of posts we get like this following any bit of adversity on this site is stunning.
[quote] forgot what its like to be 23, now add millions of dollars. Plenty of mouthbreathers here would be making mistakes. It sucks, but some of you posters are just brutal.
no one is forgetting. They are dickheads who do dumb shit and think they are invincible. Then they either leasrn to take accountability for their fuck ups and grow up, or they don't. Occasionally one fucks up bad and never really bounces back.
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Prohibits ATV s, good for him being up front immediately and not trying to cover it up
Some of the comments on this thread….. typical Bbi.
I would bet he is unaware of the prohibition.
I'd bet he told his agent about the incident first and the agent told him before they called the team.
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
Micko, I actually thought about that earlier too. Banks' was a wrist injury no?
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In comment 15900350 PaulN said:
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Assholes maybe. But if you can't understand what I just said then it's obvious you are exactly what and who I am talking about. The company, team,organization, you add in the blank comes first, your pleasures during a bye week should be to heal. Not go on vacation, if you can't understand that then there is nothing further to add.
I like to use my vacation weeks to come in to work extra early.
Just to be clear, I think the atv thing was a bad idea but cutting anyone who leaves town for vacation during the bye week would leave you awful thin. Andrew Thomas also travelled of town.
Andrew Thomas went down to his hometown to hand out turkeys to needy families, and was working out in a performance center. Don’t throw his name around in this mess.
I made one mistake in life, hooking up with Emily Gibbs sophomore year of college. She turned out to be cray cray. It haunts me to this day.
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In comment 15900350 PaulN said:
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Assholes maybe. But if you can't understand what I just said then it's obvious you are exactly what and who I am talking about. The company, team,organization, you add in the blank comes first, your pleasures during a bye week should be to heal. Not go on vacation, if you can't understand that then there is nothing further to add.
I like to use my vacation weeks to come in to work extra early.
Just to be clear, I think the atv thing was a bad idea but cutting anyone who leaves town for vacation during the bye week would leave you awful thin. Andrew Thomas also travelled of town.
Andrew Thomas went down to his hometown to hand out turkeys to needy families, and was working out in a performance center. Don’t throw his name around in this mess.
All I said was he left town, a prior poster made it seem like that’s the wrong thing to do on the bye.
Like most things in life, some severe reactions both ways. Its disappointing but to read people say “fuck this asshole” is, well, flagrantly over the top.
As mentioned there have been zero issues with him as a Giant. He’ll learn from it. And truthfully I think the defense can withstand the blow. Still feel effects, but withstand.
1. The guy clearly fucked up. Should he pay consequences? That’s up to the team to decide. Cutting him is a ridiculously stupid, reactionary conclusion.
2. When you’re in your 20’s, yes, technically you’re a ‘grown ass man’. But, you still do stupid shit. Lots of it. Regardless of your responsibilities. Anyone here who claims they didn’t are full of shit.
And McKinney's less than candid tweet stating that it was a "guided tour" and he would miss a couple of weeks was more of the charlatan crap characteristic of the prior coaching regime.
Is this a teachable moment as some here are lecturing to the fans who have had to suffer through this decade of disgrace? I doubt it. It is very difficult to get the "bad judgment genie" back in the bottle. Should there be punishment? Clearly, he would be cut instantly if he wasn't among the most talent players on the team. But like Kyrie Irving, we are now stuck with a highly talented player whose judgment stinks. At the very least, his captaincy should be stripped.
I feel bad for Daboll and the guys who are truly committed to football and building a championship calibre program. Until now, I had thought that McKinney was one of those guys. I was wrong.
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forgot what its like to be 23, now add millions of dollars. Plenty of mouthbreathers here would be making mistakes. It sucks, but some of you posters are just brutal.
Not excusing the behavior, but it is what it is.
so what would you suggest be done to avoid future mistakes?
Well somefan, let me you what thefan thinks... How the fuck should I know? These kids are probably violating their contracts all over the league. Every once in a while some idiot kid is going to fuck up like Xavier did.
Get well young man, and know your fans have your back.
Get well young man, and know your fans have your back.
Look at it this way, we got off easy this time. Plax threw away an SB run and he was a vet. JPP doomed our pass rush and he was a vet too. It could've been worse, I know people who have died on ATVs. Giants just need to step up and win Sunday.
And McKinney's less than candid tweet stating that it was a "guided tour" and he would miss a couple of weeks was more of the charlatan crap characteristic of the prior coaching regime.
Is this a teachable moment as some here are lecturing to the fans who have had to suffer through this decade of disgrace? I doubt it. It is very difficult to get the "bad judgment genie" back in the bottle. Should there be punishment? Clearly, he would be cut instantly if he wasn't among the most talent players on the team. But like Kyrie Irving, we are now stuck with a highly talented player whose judgment stinks. At the very least, his captaincy should be stripped.
I feel bad for Daboll and the guys who are truly committed to football and building a championship calibre program. Until now, I had thought that McKinney was one of those guys. I was wrong.
Oh my fucking god... the sanctimony on this board is truly epic. I hope all of you demi-gods bless your family, friends and careers with the same unlimited dedication and immutable decision making that you project on to your SPORTS TEAM...
And McKinney's less than candid tweet stating that it was a "guided tour" and he would miss a couple of weeks was more of the charlatan crap characteristic of the prior coaching regime.
Is this a teachable moment as some here are lecturing to the fans who have had to suffer through this decade of disgrace? I doubt it. It is very difficult to get the "bad judgment genie" back in the bottle. Should there be punishment? Clearly, he would be cut instantly if he wasn't among the most talent players on the team. But like Kyrie Irving, we are now stuck with a highly talented player whose judgment stinks. At the very least, his captaincy should be stripped.
I feel bad for Daboll and the guys who are truly committed to football and building a championship calibre program. Until now, I had thought that McKinney was one of those guys. I was wrong.
Holy Smokes Mike…. You make this kind of judgment about a kid you ve never even met!
He s 23 and got on a ATV, I m 74 and I just got on one this summer. People live their lives, he didn’t purposely try to get hurt. He s a great athlete and young, they do things like this. He just got in an accident. We have no idea if he was being reckless.
Even if he was, who here hasn’t done the same
To say he s not committed to this team is just so judgmental. Pretty certain he is a big part of their future
You re upset he can’t play. Some of you guys take this stuff way too personal
In comment 15899901 Breeze_94 said:
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This is exactly the actual thing you don’t want players doing in their free time.
Selfish.
Selfish as fans to expect these guys to go to sleep at 9pm every night and spend their bye week in bubble wrap.
I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was in fact on a guided tour and there was a mishap. Of course, Cabo is Cabo so it isn’t far fetched that this was just stupidity- and by contract I don’t think he’s allowed on an ATV…but alas, he’s a young guy trying to live his life.
In comment 15900102 sb from NYT Forum said:
Fun AF, but dangerous AF.
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