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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/13/2022 4:08 pm
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/13/2022 4:14 pm : link
Wasn't pretty, but I'll take an ugly win over a beautiful loss every time.
lol  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/13/2022 4:14 pm : link
thread was made as Gano's kick went through the uprights
Did anybody just see the end of the Bills -Vikings game?  
short lease : 11/13/2022 4:15 pm : link
Play is under review right now .... but that was batshit crazy.


If it stands - Buffalo handed them the win.

Almost as bad as the Picarcik fumble in the 70's.
gotta close better than  
bluepepper : 11/13/2022 4:16 pm : link
that. Had been good at finishing until the Jax game.

But 7-2 sure has a nice ring to it.
OMG !!!!!  
short lease : 11/13/2022 4:16 pm : link
touchdown Minnesota!
RE: lol  
kcgiants : 11/13/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15905188 Thunderstruck27 said:
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thread was made as Gano's kick went through the uprights

Holy Sh. TD
RE: lol  
kcgiants : 11/13/2022 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15905188 Thunderstruck27 said:
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thread was made as Gano's kick went through the uprights

Holy SH TD stand
7-2  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:17 pm : link
I think it was a well coached game against a bad Texans team.
That was a clinic  
mittenedman : 11/13/2022 4:17 pm : link
on how to blow a game by the Giants. And they still won by 11.
RE: RE: lol  
kcgiants : 11/13/2022 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15905197 kcgiants said:
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In comment 15905188 Thunderstruck27 said:


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thread was made as Gano's kick went through the uprights


Holy Sh. TD
OOp wrong tread
7-2 is good  
Rjanyg : 11/13/2022 4:18 pm : link
But this team looked both gassed and sloppy
What happened to our defense in the second half?  
Gary from The East End : Admin : 11/13/2022 4:18 pm : link
Also Jones didn't attempt a pass in the 4th quarter
7-2  
VanillaVick : 11/13/2022 4:19 pm : link
Feels good!
Two evenly matched teams  
M.S. : 11/13/2022 4:19 pm : link

Giants came away with a win.

Put it in the bank.

7-2.

The re-build is still in it’s very early stages.
RE: Did anybody just see the end of the Bills -Vikings game?  
short lease : 11/13/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15905191 short lease said:
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Play is under review right now .... but that was batshit crazy.


If it stands - Buffalo handed them the win.

Almost as bad as the Picarcik fumble in the 70's.


my bad - still some time left.
RE: That was a clinic  
outeiroj : 11/13/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15905202 mittenedman said:
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on how to blow a game by the Giants. And they still won by 11.


They won by 8
RE: What happened to our defense in the second half?  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15905217 Gary from The East End said:
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Also Jones didn't attempt a pass in the 4th quarter


Held them to 16 points, multiple turnovers and multiple sacks. What exactly do you want? How is that not a success?
RE: Did anybody just see the end of the Bills -Vikings game?  
kcgiants : 11/13/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15905191 short lease said:
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Play is under review right now .... but that was batshit crazy.


If it stands - Buffalo handed them the win.

Almost as bad as the Picarcik fumble in the 70's.


Holy Sh It stands. Bills has time to get a field to tie
M.S.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/13/2022 4:20 pm : link
You thought there was a good chance we'd go 0-4 the next 4 so...
IMHO, Kafka does not call  
section125 : 11/13/2022 4:20 pm : link
a good game. He gets very conservative. Then he calls silly things like Wan'Dale's handoff when Barkley and Breida are tearing them up left and right.

I just do not know what to think of him.

But one thing is for certain, Golladay will likely never get on the field in a uniform again.
A win is a win is a...  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/13/2022 4:20 pm : link
...you know the rest.

Even under the best of circumstances, screens are an issue for a defensive playcaller as aggressive as Martindale. With McKinney out, and the ongoing turnover at linebacker, it's not surprising that the Giants got burned a lot today.
If  
g56blue10 : 11/13/2022 4:21 pm : link
There is one thing I do question is the unwillingness to let Jones throw in the 4th quarter when we have a lead. I certainly understand our limitations but we are just settling for 3 and outs. If Jones has demonstrated one thing, it’s the ability to not make stupid mistakes
This is a team led by Barkley & the defense  
Sean : 11/13/2022 4:21 pm : link
Jones was asked to do very little today. I don’t get it.
Win is win  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 4:22 pm : link
One step closer to the playoffs. But this team is going to have some rough games the rest of the way if they can’t figure out a vertical passing game.
Refusing  
AcidTest : 11/13/2022 4:22 pm : link
to throw the ball is unsustainable. I know Houston has the worst run defense in the league and we probably have the worst WRs and TEs, but Kafka telegraphed every first down play as a run to Barkley. On several occasions, Barkley ran the ball four or five times in a row. Sure, Golladay dropped an easy pass and should be benched, but Kafka rarely made any attempt to move the ball down field through the air. What's even more puzzling is that there were no designed runs with Jones. And we did we try to score at the end of the half with so little time left and so far to go, even for a FG?

Thought the defense played well, especially Lawrence, Williams, and Jackson. Thibs is being held, but I agree he's not going to get those calls until he gets some sacks. And that won't happen until he gets stronger IMO.
Another nice game by DJ, Barkley, and the Defense.  
Vinny from Danbury : 11/13/2022 4:23 pm : link
Just getting the job done. And very nice strategic work in the game planning by the coaching staff with the heavy formations, and keeping their run game from killing us.
RE: If  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15905233 g56blue10 said:
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There is one thing I do question is the unwillingness to let Jones throw in the 4th quarter when we have a lead. I certainly understand our limitations but we are just settling for 3 and outs. If Jones has demonstrated one thing, it’s the ability to not make stupid mistakes


Against a team like Philly or Dallas that can score, I'd go more aggressive. Against the Texans I think this makes sense.
Not all clowns wear shoes  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:25 pm : link
Amazing reading some of these comments after a 7-2 start and never trailing a team they should beat AFTER A BYE. We lead the whole game after a bye and the mouth breathers of the internet are out in force.
RE: RE: Did anybody just see the end of the Bills -Vikings game?  
short lease : 11/13/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15905227 kcgiants said:
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In comment 15905191 short lease said:


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Play is under review right now .... but that was batshit crazy.


If it stands - Buffalo handed them the win.

Almost as bad as the Picarcik fumble in the 70's.



Holy Sh It stands. Bills has time to get a field to tie



They just did ... Vikings blew it though. They should have called a TO (did they have any left?). That diving catch on the sideline was not a catch - IMO.
Jesus we were up more than a FG and two scores for majority of the gam  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/13/2022 4:25 pm : link
and we are trotting out KGs corpse and a bunch of number 3 and 4 options out there.

We essentially dominated that game.
RE: RE: Did anybody just see the end of the Bills -Vikings game?  
Boss 63 : 11/13/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15905227 kcgiants said:
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In comment 15905191 short lease said:


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Play is under review right now .... but that was batshit crazy.

Yep watching it now


If it stands - Buffalo handed them the win.

Almost as bad as the Picarcik fumble in the 70's.



Holy Sh It stands. Bills has time to get a field to tie
RE: Not all clowns wear shoes  
BigBlueinDE : 11/13/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15905254 thefan said:
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Amazing reading some of these comments after a 7-2 start and never trailing a team they should beat AFTER A BYE. We lead the whole game after a bye and the mouth breathers of the internet are out in force.


Exactly!
RE: RE: If  
g56blue10 : 11/13/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15905245 thefan said:
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In comment 15905233 g56blue10 said:

I certainly support leaning on the run but it seems a little overkill. But stating that we are 7-2 so they have earned the benefit of the doubt
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There is one thing I do question is the unwillingness to let Jones throw in the 4th quarter when we have a lead. I certainly understand our limitations but we are just settling for 3 and outs. If Jones has demonstrated one thing, it’s the ability to not make stupid mistakes



Against a team like Philly or Dallas that can score, I'd go more aggressive. Against the Texans I think this makes sense.
RE: This is a team led by Barkley & the defense  
section125 : 11/13/2022 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15905234 Sean said:
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Jones was asked to do very little today. I don’t get it.


153.3 Rating today. But I agree, Kafka is just protecting the ball.
A win is a win is a win......  
Simms11 : 11/13/2022 4:27 pm : link
It was a very conservative game plan today. Run the ball, stop the run and don’t turn it over. It has worked all year as our margin for error is extremely razor thin, but it’ll come back to haunt us against teams with better offenses like Dallas, Philly and Vikes. 8 more games of which 5 are Division games too.
RE: IMHO, Kafka does not call  
BigBlueinDE : 11/13/2022 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15905230 section125 said:
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a good game. He gets very conservative. Then he calls silly things like Wan'Dale's handoff when Barkley and Breida are tearing them up left and right.

I just do not know what to think of him.

But one thing is for certain, Golladay will likely never get on the field in a uniform again.


He's the best play caller they've had here since 2017.
we have 7 wins  
islander1 : 11/13/2022 4:28 pm : link
I mean it's more than I expected.

We may end up 9-8 at the end, but there's virtually no chance we won't finish with a winning record. That's cool.
RE: A win is a win is a win......  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 4:28 pm : link
In comment 15905269 Simms11 said:
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It was a very conservative game plan today. Run the ball, stop the run and don’t turn it over. It has worked all year as our margin for error is extremely razor thin, but it’ll come back to haunt us against teams with better offenses like Dallas, Philly and Vikes. 8 more games of which 5 are Division games too.


Good thing is, they can lose those three games and still make the playoffs. Sweeping Washington is going to be key.
RE: Two evenly matched teams  
Sean : 11/13/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15905219 M.S. said:
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Giants came away with a win.

Put it in the bank.

7-2.

The re-build is still in it’s very early stages.

Why be antagonistic? You are a good poster but you predict a loss every week. You predicted this team to win 3-4 wins. You said this would be a 3-4 YEAR rebuild. Yet, the Giants are 7-2.
RE: M.S.  
M.S. : 11/13/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15905228 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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You thought there was a good chance we'd go 0-4 the next 4 so...


Three things:

(1) Here are my exact words:
2-2 in the next four games will be an amazing feat. 1-3 would hardly be shocking. And 0-4 I'm afraid is attainable.

(2) Compared with the fantasy statements this week by some BBIers about the resurrection of Kenny Golladay against Houston, my statement above isn’t so bad.

(3) And I said before the game that Kenny Golladay would do nothing today… several times.

I guess that makes me 1-for-2, batting .500! (:-) LOL
RE: A win is a win is a win......  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15905269 Simms11 said:
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It was a very conservative game plan today. Run the ball, stop the run and don’t turn it over. It has worked all year as our margin for error is extremely razor thin, but it’ll come back to haunt us against teams with better offenses like Dallas, Philly and Vikes. 8 more games of which 5 are Division games too.


Maybe they will change the gameplan for those types of games? We'll find out soon.
M.S.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/13/2022 4:30 pm : link
I'm busting your balls, to an extent. Haha.
A win is a win  
Giantfan21 : 11/13/2022 4:30 pm : link
but Kafka last 2 games haven been very underwhelming.

Even if you want to run heavy , you still need to do a better job mixing it up and throwing more in the air to give the defense something other then Barkley to focus on. It especially doesn't make sense when Jones was having a good game and they were moving the ball well in the air and Kafka just refused to go back to it in the 4th Q.

On top of that, even if you are scared to throw , why not mix it up and have Jones run more to again give the defense something to think about .

They made this game too close and had to rely on turnovers by the defense and a long FG by Gano to win because Kafka was coaching this game scared with no creativity
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/13/2022 4:30 pm : link
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RE: RE: IMHO, Kafka does not call  
section125 : 11/13/2022 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15905274 BigBlueinDE said:
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a good game. He gets very conservative. Then he calls silly things like Wan'Dale's handoff when Barkley and Breida are tearing them up left and right.

I just do not know what to think of him.

But one thing is for certain, Golladay will likely never get on the field in a uniform again.



He's the best play caller they've had here since 2017.


If that was meant as a compliment, it really isn't. But it is entirely possible that this is all the Daboll wants him to do.
I’m cause  
Carl in CT : 11/13/2022 4:31 pm : link
Still no WR’s and no OL. Jones missed 1 throw. It also didn’t matter cause we scored.
RE: RE: M.S.  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/13/2022 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15905283 M.S. said:
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In comment 15905228 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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You thought there was a good chance we'd go 0-4 the next 4 so...



Three things:

(1) Here are my exact words:
2-2 in the next four games will be an amazing feat. 1-3 would hardly be shocking. And 0-4 I'm afraid is attainable.

(2) Compared with the fantasy statements this week by some BBIers about the resurrection of Kenny Golladay against Houston, my statement above isn’t so bad.

(3) And I said before the game that Kenny Golladay would do nothing today… several times.

I guess that makes me 1-for-2, batting .500! (:-) LOL


Not sure how you called Golladay. Carnac the Magnificent
It is and has been about game planning  
BillT : 11/13/2022 4:31 pm : link
They have a plan, they stick to it, we’re 7-2 because of it. Who cares if Joes doesn’t pass in the 4th with a big lead. That’s smart strategy.
RE: It is and has been about game planning  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15905294 BillT said:
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They have a plan, they stick to it, we’re 7-2 because of it. Who cares if Joes doesn’t pass in the 4th with a big lead. That’s smart strategy.


Exactly, unsexiest 7-2 ever is good with me. Best start since 2008.
RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
Giantfan21 : 11/13/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15905284 thefan said:
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In comment 15905269 Simms11 said:


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It was a very conservative game plan today. Run the ball, stop the run and don’t turn it over. It has worked all year as our margin for error is extremely razor thin, but it’ll come back to haunt us against teams with better offenses like Dallas, Philly and Vikes. 8 more games of which 5 are Division games too.



Maybe they will change the gameplan for those types of games? We'll find out soon.


Would be nice if they had practice going for the kill against one of the worst teams in football instead of waiting till they play a great team
RE: A win is a win  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15905286 Giantfan21 said:
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They made this game too close and had to rely on turnovers by the defense and a long FG by Gano to win because Kafka was coaching this game scared with no creativity


That has been the whole season. This isn’t an offense that is going to be able to pass all over the other team and blow people out.
RE: RE: M.S.  
section125 : 11/13/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15905283 M.S. said:
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In comment 15905228 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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You thought there was a good chance we'd go 0-4 the next 4 so...



Three things:

(1) Here are my exact words:
2-2 in the next four games will be an amazing feat. 1-3 would hardly be shocking. And 0-4 I'm afraid is attainable.

(2) Compared with the fantasy statements this week by some BBIers about the resurrection of Kenny Golladay against Houston, my statement above isn’t so bad.

(3) And I said before the game that Kenny Golladay would do nothing today… several times.

I guess that makes me 1-for-2, batting .500! (:-) LOL


Good points. I do think that Detroit is going to be a tough game for them.
I was hoping Golladay would show up. He didn't. Maybe his last game uniform as a Giant.
RE: Refusing  
speedywheels : 11/13/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15905239 AcidTest said:
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to throw the ball is unsustainable. I know Houston has the worst run defense in the league and we probably have the worst WRs and TEs, but Kafka telegraphed every first down play as a run to Barkley. On several occasions, Barkley ran the ball four or five times in a row. Sure, Golladay dropped an easy pass and should be benched, but Kafka rarely made any attempt to move the ball down field through the air. What's even more puzzling is that there were no designed runs with Jones. And we did we try to score at the end of the half with so little time left and so far to go, even for a FG?

Thought the defense played well, especially Lawrence, Williams, and Jackson. Thibs is being held, but I agree he's not going to get those calls until he gets some sacks. And that won't happen until he gets stronger IMO.


You answered your own question - HOU sucks against the run and we have very few weapons. When they did throw to the WR’s, Golladay dropped two first downs, including one that would have gone for 20+ yards.
I think we can all agree Golladay will be on the Sy  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:34 pm : link
dud list this week. Dex and LW gotta be on the stud list.
This is about what we expected  
Chris684 : 11/13/2022 4:34 pm : link
Those of you concerned with how we’re winning, well, after the last 6 years I don’t know what to even say to you other than that there have been about 70 games played in the NFL so far this year that have been within one score.

It’s looking very likely that Daboll is going to take this team to the playoffs in year 1, who can complain about that?

This current group is being held together with glue right now but if we can get Bellinger, Neal, McKinney and Ojulari back on the field maybe we can surprise some people.

I will be curious to see why Jones didn’t run really at all today. Nothing by design anyway.
Did Landon  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/13/2022 4:34 pm : link
Play today?
RE: RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15905300 Giantfan21 said:
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In comment 15905269 Simms11 said:


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It was a very conservative game plan today. Run the ball, stop the run and don’t turn it over. It has worked all year as our margin for error is extremely razor thin, but it’ll come back to haunt us against teams with better offenses like Dallas, Philly and Vikes. 8 more games of which 5 are Division games too.



Maybe they will change the gameplan for those types of games? We'll find out soon.



Would be nice if they had practice going for the kill against one of the worst teams in football instead of waiting till they play a great team


It's not like Dabs wasn't being aggressive at times. Remember the brutal false-start when going for it on 4th and 1. That fuck up really changed the game.
RE: This is about what we expected  
outeiroj : 11/13/2022 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15905308 Chris684 said:
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Those of you concerned with how we’re winning, well, after the last 6 years I don’t know what to even say to you other than that there have been about 70 games played in the NFL so far this year that have been within one score.

It’s looking very likely that Daboll is going to take this team to the playoffs in year 1, who can complain about that?

This current group is being held together with glue right now but if we can get Bellinger, Neal, McKinney and Ojulari back on the field maybe we can surprise some people.

I will be curious to see why Jones didn’t run really at all today. Nothing by design anyway.


why put your qb in harms way if you dont need to?
Golladay drops two balls  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/13/2022 4:37 pm : link
and yet Jones is 13 of 17
7-0 with the formula  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/13/2022 4:37 pm : link
30 plus rushes for over 4ypc. Hold the team to less than 20 and win the turnover battle.

Few reasons they are running so much. Lack skill guys outside SB. Today Wink had three rookies starting and a bunch of injuries.

As a team they need to win the play count. Look what happened on that one drive where they tried to give a breather to Williams and Lawrence both of who have played high plays this year. Incompletion lead to stopping the clock and no advance in down/distance.


RE: It is and has been about game planning  
DefenseWins : 11/13/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15905294 BillT said:
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They have a plan, they stick to it, we’re 7-2 because of it. Who cares if Joes doesn’t pass in the 4th with a big lead. That’s smart strategy.


It is not sexy and does not make the lighlight reels. That is what people care about.

Giants fans were jerking off to an amazing highlight reel catch by OBJ in a game that we lost.
RE: RE: This is about what we expected  
Chris684 : 11/13/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15905314 outeiroj said:
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In comment 15905308 Chris684 said:


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Those of you concerned with how we’re winning, well, after the last 6 years I don’t know what to even say to you other than that there have been about 70 games played in the NFL so far this year that have been within one score.

It’s looking very likely that Daboll is going to take this team to the playoffs in year 1, who can complain about that?

This current group is being held together with glue right now but if we can get Bellinger, Neal, McKinney and Ojulari back on the field maybe we can surprise some people.

I will be curious to see why Jones didn’t run really at all today. Nothing by design anyway.



why put your qb in harms way if you dont need to?


Jones’s running ability is dynamic and is one aspect of this offense along with Barkley that poses problems for defenses. I’m always in favor of it.

That said. I’m not disappointed about today. Just curious.
RE: RE: RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
section125 : 11/13/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15905312 thefan said:
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It's not like Dabs wasn't being aggressive at times. Remember the brutal false-start when going for it on 4th and 1. That fuck up really changed the game.


That was far too complex for a 4th and 1 QB sneak. I do not think Jones has been stopped yet with a regular keeper. There was confusion before the TO, too.

They are 8-2, so that is so totally unexpected. But Jones was killing the Texans in the 3rd quarter. Why did they stop letting Jones throw...
This Board is pathetic  
Bruner4329 : 11/13/2022 4:40 pm : link
Not satisfied with a win. Complaining and we are 7-2. Worried about style points. Geez this team has to play this way to have a chance. Well coached and don't turn the ball over. Enjoy it.
RE: This is a team led by Barkley & the defense  
Eman11 : 11/13/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15905234 Sean said:
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Jones was asked to do very little today. I don’t get it.


What don’t you get? This was the plan to get the W TODAY and they got it. Nothing else matters or needs to be said.

Maybe next week they need to throw it 35+ times to win. The goal was to go 1-0 this week and they accomplished it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
giantBCP : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15905335 section125 said:
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It's not like Dabs wasn't being aggressive at times. Remember the brutal false-start when going for it on 4th and 1. That fuck up really changed the game.



That was far too complex for a 4th and 1 QB sneak. I do not think Jones has been stopped yet with a regular keeper. There was confusion before the TO, too.

They are 8-2, so that is so totally unexpected. But Jones was killing the Texans in the 3rd quarter. Why did they stop letting Jones throw...


Because they want to sign him to a bargain basement deal. That’s the first step in the rebuild.
Stud list starts  
Carl in CT : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
With DJ. 1 missed throw all day and a 153 passer rating.
RE: This Board is pathetic  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15905339 Bruner4329 said:
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Not satisfied with a win. Complaining and we are 7-2. Worried about style points. Geez this team has to play this way to have a chance. Well coached and don't turn the ball over. Enjoy it.
+1
I can readily admit I was wrong  
jvm52106 : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
About KG today. The biggest surprise isn't the lack of stats it was the fact that he blatantly dropped two passes, both of which stopped drives in their tracks!

Here is my question, do we see Golladay get released after that pathetic performance? I know if it were me I would cut him no matter what I needed to do to make it work..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15905335 section125 said:
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In comment 15905312 thefan said:


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It's not like Dabs wasn't being aggressive at times. Remember the brutal false-start when going for it on 4th and 1. That fuck up really changed the game.



That was far too complex for a 4th and 1 QB sneak. I do not think Jones has been stopped yet with a regular keeper. There was confusion before the TO, too.

They are 8-2, so that is so totally unexpected. But Jones was killing the Texans in the 3rd quarter. Why did they stop letting Jones throw...


Sounds like you need to write an impassioned letter to Dabs.
RE: M.S.  
M.S. : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15905285 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm busting your balls, to an extent. Haha.

No prob… that’s fine. I sorta read it that way, and besides I probably deserve it!

7-2. Meaningful games the rest of the way!

What an unexpectedly fun season!!!
I think Hodgins and Cager will help this passing game once  
Simms11 : 11/13/2022 4:43 pm : link
they get a bit more acclimated. Cager is a lousy blocker, but can catch the ball. I ca see why they brought in the jumbo TEs on occasion. Until we get Bellinger back, I think we’ll continue to see more of that.

On another note, next weeks game will also not be a walk in the park, as Goff can sling the ball around and Detroit is playing better on offense this year too. It’s going to be another close game. I hope they don’t look ahead to Dallas though as we will need this game too.
7 - 2  
darren in pdx : 11/13/2022 4:44 pm : link
and the lead the whole game. Texans are a scrappy team but I think Giants had it and were clearly better. Pierce is the real deal. I’m not going to complain about not ‘winning good enough.’ 7 - 2 is 7 - 2. Daboll is coaching his ass off, incredible job by him.
RE: I can readily admit I was wrong  
darren in pdx : 11/13/2022 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15905348 jvm52106 said:
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About KG today. The biggest surprise isn't the lack of stats it was the fact that he blatantly dropped two passes, both of which stopped drives in their tracks!

Here is my question, do we see Golladay get released after that pathetic performance? I know if it were me I would cut him no matter what I needed to do to make it work..


They can’t afford to release him.
RE: What happened to our defense in the second half?  
k2tampa : 11/13/2022 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15905217 Gary from The East End said:
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Also Jones didn't attempt a pass in the 4th quarter


No one has talked about the fact McKinney was the one who made adjustments in the defense in reaction to the offensive alignment and got people in the right place. Maybe that had something to do with a lot of receivers running open in the second half.

I didn't expect Jones to throw a pass in the fourth (especially with the lack of quality receivers). Jones didn't need to throw a pass. This is how the Giants have won throughout the '80s, '90s', and in this century. They don't blow people out. It's frustrating, but anyone who has been around a while should understand it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
section125 : 11/13/2022 4:46 pm : link
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It's not like Dabs wasn't being aggressive at times. Remember the brutal false-start when going for it on 4th and 1. That fuck up really changed the game.



That was far too complex for a 4th and 1 QB sneak. I do not think Jones has been stopped yet with a regular keeper. There was confusion before the TO, too.

They are 8-2, so that is so totally unexpected. But Jones was killing the Texans in the 3rd quarter. Why did they stop letting Jones throw...



Sounds like you need to write an impassioned letter to Dabs.


Ok, I will let a sharp customer like you write it...let me know if he responds.
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broadbandz : 11/13/2022 4:47 pm : link
Golladay cannot dress out again. One of the worst players all-time for the giants.
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speedywheels : 11/13/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15905288 Eric from BBI said:
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Ryan Dunleavy
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LOL, of COURSE that happens

Sigh....
RE: RE: RE: M.S.  
M.S. : 11/13/2022 4:48 pm : link
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You thought there was a good chance we'd go 0-4 the next 4 so...



Three things:

(1) Here are my exact words:
2-2 in the next four games will be an amazing feat. 1-3 would hardly be shocking. And 0-4 I'm afraid is attainable.

(2) Compared with the fantasy statements this week by some BBIers about the resurrection of Kenny Golladay against Houston, my statement above isn’t so bad.

(3) And I said before the game that Kenny Golladay would do nothing today… several times.

I guess that makes me 1-for-2, batting .500! (:-) LOL



Not sure how you called Golladay. Carnac the Magnificent

LOL... that is the perfect name!!!

"Watch the ball hit my stomach, and now see it on the ground."
RE: RE: What happened to our defense in the second half?  
Angel Eyes : 11/13/2022 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15905370 k2tampa said:
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Also Jones didn't attempt a pass in the 4th quarter



No one has talked about the fact McKinney was the one who made adjustments in the defense in reaction to the offensive alignment and got people in the right place. Maybe that had something to do with a lot of receivers running open in the second half.

I didn't expect Jones to throw a pass in the fourth (especially with the lack of quality receivers). Jones didn't need to throw a pass. This is how the Giants have won throughout the '80s, '90s', and in this century. They don't blow people out. It's frustrating, but anyone who has been around a while should understand it.

Strahan said something similar in the 2007 Giants episode of America's Game; they don't win easy. Everything goes down to the wire or was a struggle (the Jets game that year as a case of two halves, a messy game in London against the Dolphins, Chicago, Akers hitting the upright as time expired, etc).
The game was never in doubt  
armstead98 : 11/13/2022 4:50 pm : link
And people are complaining about being conservative? Weird.
If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
Carl in CT : 11/13/2022 4:51 pm : link
4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.
It may not have been pretty, but a win is a win  
Matt M. : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
and 7-2 is still 7-2.

On to another matchup they should be expected to win.
RE: The game was never in doubt  
section125 : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15905410 armstead98 said:
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And people are complaining about being conservative? Weird.


Never in doubt? Had they gotten one more TD on one of those drives in the 4th quarter, it would have been....
RE: The game was never in doubt  
kcgiants : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
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And people are complaining about being conservative? Weird.

Not sure if it was never in doubt.
We needed the two INTs to win
RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15905413 Carl in CT said:
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.


God this is so annoying.

Let us know when Jones has a game as good as Allen’s best games.
RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15905413 Carl in CT said:
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.
You could include Aaron Rodgers into that with three INTs against Detroit....
They are clearly not using certain plays  
BigBlue565358 : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
to hide them for Dallas, Wash, and Philly. Have been very vanilla the last two games

Golladay dropped one pass, the first one was a bad throw

Detroit has a lot of offense and not much defense

Charles Davis said something interesting near the end of the game - he said Mills told him that the biggest adjustment for a college QB is reading the defense POST snap because the NFL hides things on defense and tries to fool you while colleges never do. Davis then said so being able to process fast post snap is the key
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/13/2022 4:55 pm : link
Some overall thoughts:

1) Dex is a beast. Good Lord.
2) The Scottish Hammer blows.
3) The $72 dollar million man...just send him home.
4) Loved the fire Dabbs brings. He was giving Jack Anderson the business after that stupid false start. We convert there & we could have blown Houston out. Dumb AF penalty.
5) I'd like to see DJ run more. I don't think they called any designed runs all the game.

Whatever. 7-2 is 7-2. Onward to Detroit!
RE: Golladay drops two balls  
k2tampa : 11/13/2022 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15905321 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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and yet Jones is 13 of 17


Myarick dropped a catchable ball in the flat that would have resulted in a loss. The only bad throw was the one behind Slayton. And in watching the replay that might have been knocked down at the LOS if he had thrown it any more to the right.
Don’t think they’re hiding anything from the Cowboys and Eagles  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 4:56 pm : link
This is the offense this year. It’s how they’re going to win games.
RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
kcgiants : 11/13/2022 4:56 pm : link
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.



God this is so annoying.

Let us know when Jones has a game as good as Allen’s best games.

I'm sure Dan Marino had many great games but did he win a SB?
So lets don't compare QBs. Its timing and as long as you play better than the other QB in the game
Time for a get right performance from Green Bay  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:57 pm : link
lets go.
RE: RE: Refusing  
AcidTest : 11/13/2022 4:58 pm : link
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to throw the ball is unsustainable. I know Houston has the worst run defense in the league and we probably have the worst WRs and TEs, but Kafka telegraphed every first down play as a run to Barkley. On several occasions, Barkley ran the ball four or five times in a row. Sure, Golladay dropped an easy pass and should be benched, but Kafka rarely made any attempt to move the ball down field through the air. What's even more puzzling is that there were no designed runs with Jones. And we did we try to score at the end of the half with so little time left and so far to go, even for a FG?

Thought the defense played well, especially Lawrence, Williams, and Jackson. Thibs is being held, but I agree he's not going to get those calls until he gets some sacks. And that won't happen until he gets stronger IMO.



You answered your own question - HOU sucks against the run and we have very few weapons. When they did throw to the WR’s, Golladay dropped two first downs, including one that would have gone for 20+ yards.


We didn't throw a single pass in the 4th quarter. It worked today, but likely won't against an even marginally better team.
RE: RE: Golladay drops two balls  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/13/2022 4:58 pm : link
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and yet Jones is 13 of 17



Myarick dropped a catchable ball in the flat that would have resulted in a loss. The only bad throw was the one behind Slayton. And in watching the replay that might have been knocked down at the LOS if he had thrown it any more to the right.


Could of been a bad throw of he was expecting Slayton to sit on the route. Who really knows. Good thing they hit a big play after that.
Why did Saquon give himself up?  
Rico : 11/13/2022 4:59 pm : link
I know he was trying to stay in bounds, but a first down there would have helped us more than staying in bounds.

It was 2nd down, and we would have gotten two extra plays by making the first down, and it would have made the FG shorter. I think that was a bad decision.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 4:59 pm : link
Not surprising to me that they went super conservative all game. They played a bit sloppy and Daboll likely realized once they got up 2 possessions that as long as they kept Houston at bay, Houston offense wasn’t going to do much so they essentially just ran out the clock

Definitely deserves some criticism but it worked.
RE: RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 4:59 pm : link
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.



God this is so annoying.

Let us know when Jones has a game as good as Allen’s best games.


I'm sure Dan Marino had many great games but did he win a SB?
So let’s don't compare QBs. Its timing and as long as you play better than the other QB in the game


So then we can stop with posts and threads any time a top end QB has a bad game?
RE: I can readily admit I was wrong  
AcidTest : 11/13/2022 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15905348 jvm52106 said:
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About KG today. The biggest surprise isn't the lack of stats it was the fact that he blatantly dropped two passes, both of which stopped drives in their tracks!

Here is my question, do we see Golladay get released after that pathetic performance? I know if it were me I would cut him no matter what I needed to do to make it work..


There are too many salary cap implications to release him IIRC. The question is whether he will dress again. The bigger question is whether Schoen will restructure his contract even if he doesn't dress since that is apparently the only way we can create some much needed cap space.
RE: Don’t think they’re hiding anything from the Cowboys and Eagles  
BigBlue565358 : 11/13/2022 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15905445 ajr2456 said:
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This is the offense this year. It’s how they’re going to win games.

They have clearly not used plays in the last 2 games that were a big part of the offense in the first part of the season. The offense is way more vanilla than it was before

It makes sense that they are keeping those plays under wraps again until Dallas and Philly
 
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 5:01 pm : link
The false start was likely when Daboll just said fuck it we are going to run all day. They weren’t crisp enough to throw the ball around. But when they needed to Jones delivered.
RE: Why did Saquon give himself up?  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/13/2022 5:01 pm : link
In comment 15905458 Rico said:
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I know he was trying to stay in bounds, but a first down there would have helped us more than staying in bounds.

It was 2nd down, and we would have gotten two extra plays by making the first down, and it would have made the FG shorter. I think that was a bad decision.


I thought he left a little on what could have been gained. Agree.
How can Golladay be this bad ?  
larryflower37 : 11/13/2022 5:01 pm : link
I didn't expect anything but damn that is horrible.
Just read over the game thread  
joeinpa : 11/13/2022 5:02 pm : link
Lol, 2-7. 7-2….makes no difference, they never change.

RE: Why did Saquon give himself up?  
Optimus-NY : 11/13/2022 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15905458 Rico said:
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I know he was trying to stay in bounds, but a first down there would have helped us more than staying in bounds.

It was 2nd down, and we would have gotten two extra plays by making the first down, and it would have made the FG shorter. I think that was a bad decision.


+1

I think he was overcompensating as a result of the Jaguars game. Daboll's gonna need to have some words with him about that.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 5:02 pm : link
They won the game by 8, playing pretty sloppy and giving up some plays on D that they haven’t done all year. We’ll take it!
7-2 with all our injuries is a great record  
kelly : 11/13/2022 5:02 pm : link
a win is a win, I don't care if it doesn't looks pretty.

They are playing Parcells smash mouth football. Run the ball, control the clock, don't make mistakes/penalties.
RE: RE: Don’t think they’re hiding anything from the Cowboys and Eagles  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 5:03 pm : link
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This is the offense this year. It’s how they’re going to win games.


They have clearly not used plays in the last 2 games that were a big part of the offense in the first part of the season. The offense is way more vanilla than it was before

It makes sense that they are keeping those plays under wraps again until Dallas and Philly


If you’re talking Jones running, teams have seen those plays already. They’re not hiding them if they’re already on tape, Dallas isn’t just going to forget about them.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 5:03 pm : link
I didn’t have much of an issue with the play calling.
RE: RE: Why did Saquon give himself up?  
mfsd : 11/13/2022 5:04 pm : link
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I know he was trying to stay in bounds, but a first down there would have helped us more than staying in bounds.

It was 2nd down, and we would have gotten two extra plays by making the first down, and it would have made the FG shorter. I think that was a bad decision.



I thought he left a little on what could have been gained. Agree.


I think he over-corrected after accidentally going out of bounds and almost being the goat a couple weeks ago

On second down, no doubt he should have put his shoulder down into the defenders and fought for the first down
RE: RE: RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
DefenseWins : 11/13/2022 5:04 pm : link
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.



God this is so annoying.

Let us know when Jones has a game as good as Allen’s best games.


I'm sure Dan Marino had many great games but did he win a SB?
So let’s don't compare QBs. Its timing and as long as you play better than the other QB in the game



So then we can stop with posts and threads any time a top end QB has a bad game?


That will end the moment you stop posting every time DJ makes a single mistake. You are expecting perfection and the moment there is one bad pass or he does not see an open WR, you guys immediately jump on it with a comment. If you continue to expect perfection from our QB (no matter who it is), you will just continue to be a miserable fan. None of these QBs are perfect and there are only about 5 humans on the planet who are elite. Get used to not having one of those on this team. We actually never had one but somehow managed to have 4 superbowl championships without one of the top QBs in the league.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/13/2022 5:05 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
Carl in CT : 11/13/2022 5:06 pm : link
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.



God this is so annoying.

Let us know when Jones has a game as good as Allen’s best games.


I'm sure Dan Marino had many great games but did he win a SB?
So let’s don't compare QBs. Its timing and as long as you play better than the other QB in the game


Let’s just say this Jones is a top end Qb. Also Josh has never had the Bills at any point in his career 7-2. Last I knew it was about winning games and not inflated stats with talent around him that is 10x better than what DJ has.


So then we can stop with posts and threads any time a top end QB has a bad game?
RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
k2tampa : 11/13/2022 5:06 pm : link
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It was a very conservative game plan today. Run the ball, stop the run and don’t turn it over. It has worked all year as our margin for error is extremely razor thin, but it’ll come back to haunt us against teams with better offenses like Dallas, Philly and Vikes. 8 more games of which 5 are Division games too.



Maybe they will change the gameplan for those types of games? We'll find out soon.


Just for the record, the Eagles only beat the Texans 29-17 and were only up 21-17 after three quarters.

Not sure how long most of you have been Giants fans, but this is the way the Giants have historically won. Close games, winning TOP, running the ball, not taking chances. Relying on the D. It's not sexy, and it's nerve wracking, but it's sure better than 2-7.

There are few teams we will play this year who have less talented skill position players. With the lack of talent at receiver and TE, and with lots of injuries to key people on both O and D, what they have accomplished is fantastic.
RE: This Board is pathetic  
joeinpa : 11/13/2022 5:06 pm : link
In comment 15905339 Bruner4329 said:
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Not satisfied with a win. Complaining and we are 7-2. Worried about style points. Geez this team has to play this way to have a chance. Well coached and don't turn the ball over. Enjoy it.


I bet many of the complainers would have mocked anyone who stated prior to the season Giants would be 7-2………that should tell you all you need to know about why the bitching shouldn’t bother you.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 5:06 pm : link
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.



God this is so annoying.

Let us know when Jones has a game as good as Allen’s best games.


I'm sure Dan Marino had many great games but did he win a SB?
So let’s don't compare QBs. Its timing and as long as you play better than the other QB in the game



So then we can stop with posts and threads any time a top end QB has a bad game?



That will end the moment you stop posting every time DJ makes a single mistake.


What’s your other handle?
RE: They are clearly not using certain plays  
Optimus-NY : 11/13/2022 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15905432 BigBlue565358 said:
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to hide them for Dallas, Wash, and Philly. Have been very vanilla the last two games

Golladay dropped one pass, the first one was a bad throw

Detroit has a lot of offense and not much defense

Charles Davis said something interesting near the end of the game - he said Mills told him that the biggest adjustment for a college QB is reading the defense POST snap because the NFL hides things on defense and tries to fool you while colleges never do. Davis then said so being able to process fast post snap is the key


I liked that comment by Davis. On a sidenote, I enjoyed Davis and Birdbrain's call for today's game. Davis is one of my favorites in particular.
RE: RE: This Board is pathetic  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 5:09 pm : link
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Not satisfied with a win. Complaining and we are 7-2. Worried about style points. Geez this team has to play this way to have a chance. Well coached and don't turn the ball over. Enjoy it.



I bet many of the complainers would have mocked anyone who stated prior to the season Giants would be 7-2………that should tell you all you need to know about why the bitching shouldn’t bother you.


We had a thread calling Kafka a fraud, and a game thread comment saying Daboll didn’t go for it on 4th and 6 because he lost his composure yelling at a player. It’s insane
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
DefenseWins : 11/13/2022 5:09 pm : link
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What’s your other handle?


?? handle?
RE: Just read over the game thread  
Phil NJ : 11/13/2022 5:09 pm : link
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Lol, 2-7. 7-2….makes no difference, they never change.


Which is why I don’t even visit the board until well after the game. Some of these fans are the worst. Team is 7-2 no one predicted this.
RE: RE: RE: This Board is pathetic  
DefenseWins : 11/13/2022 5:10 pm : link
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Not satisfied with a win. Complaining and we are 7-2. Worried about style points. Geez this team has to play this way to have a chance. Well coached and don't turn the ball over. Enjoy it.



I bet many of the complainers would have mocked anyone who stated prior to the season Giants would be 7-2………that should tell you all you need to know about why the bitching shouldn’t bother you.



We had a thread calling Kafka a fraud, and a game thread comment saying Daboll didn’t go for it on 4th and 6 because he lost his composure yelling at a player. It’s insane


Agree... that really is insane
RE: How can Golladay be this bad ?  
dlauster : 11/13/2022 5:10 pm : link
In comment 15905474 larryflower37 said:
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I didn't expect anything but damn that is horrible.


Gotta be in his head now…all mental.
RE: …  
section125 : 11/13/2022 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15905482 ryanmkeane said:
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I didn’t have much of an issue with the play calling.


He does weird plays at strange times. That Robinson handoff was just awful and then him running backwards was he topper. Barkley and Breida were moving the ball. They did not need Robinson. Maybe on a jet sweep or misdirection ok. But just a regular run, cost them 6 yards...Giants cannot afford to give up yards.
RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
Mike from Ohio : 11/13/2022 5:11 pm : link
In comment 15905413 Carl in CT said:
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.


That is a ridiculous comment. Allen has a lot more leeway because of what he has accomplished and how much of the offense they put on him (all of it).
RE: RE: RE: This Board is pathetic  
section125 : 11/13/2022 5:12 pm : link
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Not satisfied with a win. Complaining and we are 7-2. Worried about style points. Geez this team has to play this way to have a chance. Well coached and don't turn the ball over. Enjoy it.



I bet many of the complainers would have mocked anyone who stated prior to the season Giants would be 7-2………that should tell you all you need to know about why the bitching shouldn’t bother you.



We had a thread calling Kafka a fraud, and a game thread comment saying Daboll didn’t go for it on 4th and 6 because he lost his composure yelling at a player. It’s insane


Could not go for it on 4th and 6...Chiefs aren't going for it 4th and 6.
Bell answered  
Spider43 : 11/13/2022 5:12 pm : link
I'd say a lot of the questions about the team have been answered. We have the right coaching staff and front office in place. Lots of reasons to feel good the rest of the way, and into the offseason. Very, very encouraging.
RE: RE: How can Golladay be this bad ?  
DefenseWins : 11/13/2022 5:13 pm : link
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I didn't expect anything but damn that is horrible.



Gotta be in his head now…all mental.


That really has to be the only explanation. Most people in this message board do not drop that pass let alone an NFL WR.
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Jeffrey : 11/13/2022 5:13 pm : link
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Not surprising to me that they went super conservative all game. They played a bit sloppy and Daboll likely realized once they got up 2 possessions that as long as they kept Houston at bay, Houston offense wasn’t going to do much so they essentially just ran out the clock

Definitely deserves some criticism but it worked.


Agree and thought they were too conservative. Even if you are committed to running you can mix in some variety. Also think the defense failed to adjust in second half but ugly wins count.
RE: RE: Just read over the game thread  
darren in pdx : 11/13/2022 5:14 pm : link
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Lol, 2-7. 7-2….makes no difference, they never change.




Which is why I don’t even visit the board until well after the game. Some of these fans are the worst. Team is 7-2 no one predicted this.


Same, I don’t visit the site during games anymore and want to celebrate after but people can’t seem to enjoy it. Everyone knows the roster is limited and aren’t going to compete for the Super Bowl, fucking enjoy that a lot of players are progressing and the Giants seem to have the right people in charge finally to thrn things around. The majority pegged this as a 4-win team, life is too short to be miserable and negative when something good is actually happening.
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Mike in Boston : 11/13/2022 5:15 pm : link
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to throw the ball is unsustainable. I know Houston has the worst run defense in the league and we probably have the worst WRs and TEs, but Kafka telegraphed every first down play as a run to Barkley. On several occasions, Barkley ran the ball four or five times in a row. Sure, Golladay dropped an easy pass and should be benched, but Kafka rarely made any attempt to move the ball down field through the air. What's even more puzzling is that there were no designed runs with Jones. And we did we try to score at the end of the half with so little time left and so far to go, even for a FG?

Thought the defense played well, especially Lawrence, Williams, and Jackson. Thibs is being held, but I agree he's not going to get those calls until he gets some sacks. And that won't happen until he gets stronger IMO.



You answered your own question - HOU sucks against the run and we have very few weapons. When they did throw to the WR’s, Golladay dropped two first downs, including one that would have gone for 20+ yards.



We didn't throw a single pass in the 4th quarter. It worked today, but likely won't against an even marginally better team.


Yeah, so against a different team we'd have thrown in the 4th quarter.
RE: I can readily admit I was wrong  
5BowlsSoon : 11/13/2022 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15905348 jvm52106 said:
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About KG today. The biggest surprise isn't the lack of stats it was the fact that he blatantly dropped two passes, both of which stopped drives in their tracks!

Here is my question, do we see Golladay get released after that pathetic performance? I know if it were me I would cut him no matter what I needed to do to make it work..


You know why we can’t release him this year. Just inactive him every week. We don’t need him at all.
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ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 5:16 pm : link
I think some of those play calls that look weird like the Wandale reveres are glimpses of what they planned to do with the offense, but they just don’t have the horses.
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jnoble : 11/13/2022 5:17 pm : link
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Lol, 2-7. 7-2….makes no difference, they never change.




Which is why I don’t even visit the board until well after the game. Some of these fans are the worst. Team is 7-2 no one predicted this.



Same, I don’t visit the site during games anymore and want to celebrate after but people can’t seem to enjoy it. Everyone knows the roster is limited and aren’t going to compete for the Super Bowl, fucking enjoy that a lot of players are progressing and the Giants seem to have the right people in charge finally to thrn things around. The majority pegged this as a 4-win team, life is too short to be miserable and negative when something good is actually happening.


Exactly
RE: RE: I can readily admit I was wrong  
larryflower37 : 11/13/2022 5:18 pm : link
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About KG today. The biggest surprise isn't the lack of stats it was the fact that he blatantly dropped two passes, both of which stopped drives in their tracks!

Here is my question, do we see Golladay get released after that pathetic performance? I know if it were me I would cut him no matter what I needed to do to make it work..



You know why we can’t release him this year. Just inactive him every week. We don’t need him at all.

They should have IR'ed him. Could have opened a spot
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Woodstock : 11/13/2022 5:18 pm : link

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Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”
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section125 : 11/13/2022 5:18 pm : link
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I think some of those play calls that look weird like the Wandale reveres are glimpses of what they planned to do with the offense, but they just don’t have the horses.


Could be -
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DefenseWins : 11/13/2022 5:20 pm : link
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Not surprising to me that they went super conservative all game. They played a bit sloppy and Daboll likely realized once they got up 2 possessions that as long as they kept Houston at bay, Houston offense wasn’t going to do much so they essentially just ran out the clock

Definitely deserves some criticism but it worked.



Agree and thought they were too conservative. Even if you are committed to running you can mix in some variety. Also think the defense failed to adjust in second half but ugly wins count.


The issue I had was NOT throwing in the occasional naked boot.

In a couple of these games, those plays were pivotal in not only moving the chains, but to keep the defense off balance.

We had multiple opportunities when the Texans were clearly selling out to stop Jones. We helped them by running the play they thought we would run.

They had nobody sitting back to defend against a Jones keeper. I really cannot believe Kafka did not see that, so I do not know why he did not call that play.
RE: Not all clowns wear shoes  
Mayo2JZ : 11/13/2022 5:21 pm : link
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Amazing reading some of these comments after a 7-2 start and never trailing a team they should beat AFTER A BYE. We lead the whole game after a bye and the mouth breathers of the internet are out in force.


I'm with you brother. 7-2 now lets move onto the Lions
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section125 : 11/13/2022 5:21 pm : link
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Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


Not sure he ever will need to say anything. Really will be surprised if he gets into a game again. Cager and Hodgins seem to be better at this point.
RE: Why did Saquon give himself up?  
ChubbyColeMedina : 11/13/2022 5:22 pm : link
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I know he was trying to stay in bounds, but a first down there would have helped us more than staying in bounds.

It was 2nd down, and we would have gotten two extra plays by making the first down, and it would have made the FG shorter. I think that was a bad decision.


Agree, I was screaming “cut up field, get the first” during that play. It looked like he would have easily made it.
Or it’s more likely  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 5:22 pm : link
Kafka saw something on tape and from the booth that you don’t see on TV. He wouldn’t abandon plays that have worked all year for no reason.
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section125 : 11/13/2022 5:23 pm : link
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Amazing reading some of these comments after a 7-2 start and never trailing a team they should beat AFTER A BYE. We lead the whole game after a bye and the mouth breathers of the internet are out in force.



I'm with you brother. 7-2 now lets move onto the Lions


It is a message board. Fans comment on what they see. Stay off the game threads if it bothers you enough. Really don't need a Oct 2022 dupe to tell people to stop posting.
The game threads are abominations of stupidity  
Mike from Ohio : 11/13/2022 5:23 pm : link
If you expect fans to be posting reasoned, thoughtful analysis during the heat of the game, that’s on you for not understanding what those are.

It is very difficult to come to this site after a win or a loss anymore. Too many people who put their fandom/criticism of individual players ahead of what the team does. The sensible posts about the game and the team are hard to find through all the “We won inspite of Jones” and “Jones is elite despite what you see” posts.

At the end of Eli’s career I remember thinking how nice it would be to stop having every discussion point run through the lease of “what does this say about Eli.” It has only gotten worse with Jones.
Good win; definitely a game that Judge or Shurmur would have lost  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/13/2022 5:28 pm : link
...stupid penalties, lousy special teams, dropped passes, missed tackles and blown coverages (mostly Belton,oofff).

But they overcame in the 2nd half. Win and move on!
RE: Good win; definitely a game that Judge or Shurmur would have lost  
section125 : 11/13/2022 5:29 pm : link
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...stupid penalties, lousy special teams, dropped passes, missed tackles and blown coverages (mostly Belton,oofff).

But they overcame in the 2nd half. Win and move on!


Any word on whatever Belton got the x-ray for?
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Mike from Ohio : 11/13/2022 5:31 pm : link
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Amazing reading some of these comments after a 7-2 start and never trailing a team they should beat AFTER A BYE. We lead the whole game after a bye and the mouth breathers of the internet are out in force.



I'm with you brother. 7-2 now lets move onto the Lions



It is a message board. Fans comment on what they see. Stay off the game threads if it bothers you enough. Really don't need a Oct 2022 dupe to tell people to stop posting.


Rule of Z.
RE: RE: RE: I can readily admit I was wrong  
5BowlsSoon : 11/13/2022 5:31 pm : link
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About KG today. The biggest surprise isn't the lack of stats it was the fact that he blatantly dropped two passes, both of which stopped drives in their tracks!

Here is my question, do we see Golladay get released after that pathetic performance? I know if it were me I would cut him no matter what I needed to do to make it work..



You know why we can’t release him this year. Just inactive him every week. We don’t need him at all.


They should have IR'ed him. Could have opened a spot


100% agree….I guess they were still hoping the old KennyG would surface. Well, today showed you that ain’t happening.
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jvm52106 : 11/13/2022 5:35 pm : link
In comment 15905543 Woodstock said:
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Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


Which matches his play...
It’s tough IR Golladay  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 5:35 pm : link
Once Sheppard went down. Would love to know what happened to him, right now it looks like he’s not interested in football anymore.
they need to get bredia/brightwell more carries  
nym172 : 11/13/2022 5:49 pm : link
cant wait to see this new OL in a few weeks


i still think there should be a taylor RPO package.


but for WR - enough of KG/MJ/Sills - move on.

Time to give hodgkins, foster, cager chances at wr #3-5. Cager could be that WR/TE combo. maybe even pimpleton.
Giants played great  
mpinmaine : 11/13/2022 5:55 pm : link
You all that are bitching are either stupid or too high
Darnay Holmes  
ColHowPepper : 11/13/2022 5:55 pm : link
There was one play he was badly beat by the WR in the endzone but Mills overthrew him. So there's that. But I've been impressed by his physicality and sure tackling. He misses some, but open field he's been pretty darn good in the slot, and he's not a big guy but a big heart
Well, I think they give Golladay one more go next week,as the Lions,  
TheMick7 : 11/13/2022 6:01 pm : link
his former team, come to town. If playing against them doesn't motivate him,nothing will. Last Dance,Last Chance!
...  
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 6:02 pm : link
I love the sight of Nick Gates out there putting dudes on the ground - guy is simply what Giants football is all about
RE: Giants played great  
section125 : 11/13/2022 6:05 pm : link
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You all that are bitching are either stupid or too high


Ok then.
RE: It’s tough IR Golladay  
outeiroj : 11/13/2022 6:06 pm : link
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Once Sheppard went down. Would love to know what happened to him, right now it looks like he’s not interested in football anymore.


last i checked you can't IR someone for having no heart
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Payasdaddy : 11/13/2022 6:06 pm : link
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You thought there was a good chance we'd go 0-4 the next 4 so...



Three things:

(1) Here are my exact words:
2-2 in the next four games will be an amazing feat. 1-3 would hardly be shocking. And 0-4 I'm afraid is attainable.

(2) Compared with the fantasy statements this week by some BBIers about the resurrection of Kenny Golladay against Houston, my statement above isn’t so bad.

(3) And I said before the game that Kenny Golladay would do nothing today… several times.

I guess that makes me 1-for-2, batting .500! (:-) LOL

MS. I was wrong about KG. Dude can’t catch, it’s ridiculous. Probably has dropped half the balls thrown at him this yr
He was actually open a couple of time. Just ridiculous
RE: RE: How can Golladay be this bad ?  
Payasdaddy : 11/13/2022 6:07 pm : link
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I didn't expect anything but damn that is horrible.
Beyond horrible. A sophomore in high school can do better. Just pathetic. He short armed the first one. Just abysmal the 2nd.


Gotta be in his head now…all mental.
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Payasdaddy : 11/13/2022 6:08 pm : link
In comment 15905543 Woodstock said:
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Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


Yeah dominant. Took the words right out of my mouth
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ColHowPepper : 11/13/2022 6:10 pm : link
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Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


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RE: The overall attitude (presentation) is fine
ColHowPepper : 11/10/2022 1:11 pm : link : reply
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The question is, can he physically do it. Truthfully, perhaps an actually winning record might give him a sort of RED BULL effect for these last 9 regular season games and we see some glimpses each week of his past play. Not full games but glimpses within the game that adds enough to our offense to be better than it was.

jvm, agree with the question and with the notion that maybe, maybe, some incentive kicks in for him somewhere here. But re. 'the overall attitude (presentation) is fine', I don't know: reading his answers in multiple Q&A pressers, to me he seems caught up in his own, alternate reality that bears no relationship to the reality of KG on and off the field, in terms of production, practicing, evincing that all-in attitude for the guys in the room that he professes to have. It's just really hard to see it
The Giants had first downs inside the Texans 40 yard line twice  
cosmicj : 11/13/2022 6:10 pm : link
In the first half and came away with zero points. If theyd simply even kicked FGs, they would have played with a commanding lead in the 2nd half.

And people have been complaining about Kafka. You know what playcall I really hated? That play in the 2nd quarter around the Texans 30 where the one result they couldn’t let happen was a sack to take them out of FG range. And what play do they call? A drop back pass. Sack. 0 points.

(I’m not saying Kafka sucks. I’m saying that play was a significant play calling error.)
RE: Well, I think they give Golladay one more go next week,as the Lions,  
cosmicj : 11/13/2022 6:11 pm : link
In comment 15905679 TheMick7 said:
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his former team, come to town. If playing against them doesn't motivate him,nothing will. Last Dance,Last Chance!


How about they play the best players? Which doesn’t include Golladay.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
joeinpa : 11/13/2022 6:15 pm : link
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.



God this is so annoying.

Let us know when Jones has a game as good as Allen’s best games.


I'm sure Dan Marino had many great games but did he win a SB?
So let’s don't compare QBs. Its timing and as long as you play better than the other QB in the game



So then we can stop with posts and threads any time a top end QB has a bad game?



That will end the moment you stop posting every time DJ makes a single mistake. You are expecting perfection and the moment there is one bad pass or he does not see an open WR, you guys immediately jump on it with a comment. If you continue to expect perfection from our QB (no matter who it is), you will just continue to be a miserable fan. None of these QBs are perfect and there are only about 5 humans on the planet who are elite. Get used to not having one of those on this team. We actually never had one but somehow managed to have 4 superbowl championships without one of the top QBs in the league.


Perfectly stated. Every mistake he makes is used as confirmation of the narrative some have of him. Pointing out how poorly Josh Allen has played the past two weeks is a legit way to make the point, those bad plays do not necessarily define who a quarterback is

Daniel not being the player Allen is; that s totally irrelevant to the point

Jones ‘ bad plays do not define him as a player, his total body of work does, and right now that s pretty dam good

Schoen is going to resign this kid if Daniel keeps making plays that lead to victories. That s not going to sit well with some, but. ?
RE: RE: It’s tough IR Golladay  
DefenseWins : 11/13/2022 6:15 pm : link
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Once Sheppard went down. Would love to know what happened to him, right now it looks like he’s not interested in football anymore.



last i checked you can't IR someone for having no heart


Maybe Andy Reid thinks he can do something with KG. I think he is running some kind of shelter over there.
Schoen and Daboll want to run the offense a certain way  
Dave on the UWS : 11/13/2022 6:21 pm : link
however, they are smart enough to adjust to the talent they have. Without, Bellinger, they are even more limited on offense, both with the run game and especially the pass game. With Neal out, the Pass pro is sketchy at best. So, as the old saying goes "when you put the ball in the air, 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad". So, if you have a lead late, you run, run, run. Next year will be a different story.
Did Golladay play a snap in the 2nd half?  
ChubbyColeMedina : 11/13/2022 6:23 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
Mike from Ohio : 11/13/2022 6:25 pm : link
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Schoen is going to resign this kid if Daniel keeps making plays that lead to victories. That s not going to sit well with some, but. ?


This is a gross oversimplification. If Jones is resigned because he is making plays nobody will be upset if he is resigned. People may not like the term and the numbers. Some people who are Jones supporters may also not like what he is signed for, or if Schoen doesn’t resign him at all.
RE: Did Golladay play a snap in the 2nd half?  
HewlettGiant : 11/13/2022 6:29 pm : link
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No he did not
And every positive play  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 6:31 pm : link
Is used as confirmation bias for people who like Jones.

Pointing out Josh Allen’s bad plays as a defense of Jones’ mistakes is actually irrelevant. He doesn’t make Josh Allen type plays, so ever missed opportunity on a big play has more impact on what the decision should be in regards to Jones.

It’s not about being perfect, it’s that this offense has limited opportunities to make big plays in the air, so each miss is important.
RE: Schoen and Daboll want to run the offense a certain way  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/13/2022 6:31 pm : link
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however, they are smart enough to adjust to the talent they have. Without, Bellinger, they are even more limited on offense, both with the run game and especially the pass game. With Neal out, the Pass pro is sketchy at best. So, as the old saying goes "when you put the ball in the air, 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad". So, if you have a lead late, you run, run, run. Next year will be a different story.


I think one of the worst things this regime could do moving forward is to abandon the run and try to build a pass happy offense. Not in this division and not in the northeast.

More balance yes. Run your offense thought the running game.
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Optimus-NY : 11/13/2022 6:33 pm : link
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Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


One of THE most disliked players to play for the NYG in a long, long while. NEVER sign players from the Detroit Lions, lol. Hope he runs to the Lions' sideline next week an stays there. Twat.


@Connor_J_Hughes - #Giants WR Kenny Golladay asked about why it hasn’t worked this year “I don’t know” - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Well, I think they give Golladay one more go next week,as the Lions,  
TheMick7 : 11/13/2022 6:36 pm : link
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his former team, come to town. If playing against them doesn't motivate him,nothing will. Last Dance,Last Chance!



How about they play the best players? Which doesn’t include Golladay.


I don't disagree with you, but I do think they'll want to give him one last try against the Lions. As a GM who made many horrible moves, Golladay could be Gettleman's worst!
The Bills and Eagles  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 6:37 pm : link
Play in the northeast and are top 10 in passing. Last I checked the winter weather in Kansas City isn’t that great either.

The Giants absolutely should, and will, look to build an offense that trends more toward pass happy. “Not in this division” is nonsense, they’ll have to beat teams “not in this division” to win a Super Bowl.
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ArcadeSlumlord : 11/13/2022 6:38 pm : link
In comment 15905543 Woodstock said:
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Connor Hughes
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Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


The only thing KG is dominating is his checking account game. Keep this cancer at home. Shockey treatment him.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 6:40 pm : link
Jones missed 1 throw today. Other than that he was really good at making the throws when it mattered.
Good win.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/13/2022 6:48 pm : link
Just keep winning these games.
RE: And every positive play  
Carl in CT : 11/13/2022 6:50 pm : link
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Is used as confirmation bias for people who like Jones.

Pointing out Josh Allen’s bad plays as a defense of Jones’ mistakes is actually irrelevant. He doesn’t make Josh Allen type plays, so ever missed opportunity on a big play has more impact on what the decision should be in regards to Jones.

It’s not about being perfect, it’s that this offense has limited opportunities to make big plays in the air, so each miss is important.




Each miss (which have not been many) is not always attributed to Jones play for the last time. It’s lack of pass blocking or WR play. As Shaun O’Hara said on the post game show (who knows a lot more about football than you do) there is not a QB in the entire NFL that has played better with less talent than Jones. Your continuous knocks on his play with lack of knowledge is just getting old. Learn the game. It’s a team sport.
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jnoble : 11/13/2022 6:55 pm : link
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Connor Hughes
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Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”



The only thing KG is dominating is his checking account game. Keep this cancer at home. Shockey treatment him.


I don't remember the Giants ever refusing to play or dress Shockey
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JoeSchoens11 : 11/13/2022 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15905543 Woodstock said:
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#Giants WR Kenny Golladay said he still feels like he’s the dominant player he was in Detroit.

Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


Afterwards, he did have this to say about the 1st pass:
RE: RE: And every positive play  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 7:08 pm : link
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Each miss (which have not been many) is not always attributed to Jones play for the last time. It’s lack of pass blocking or WR play. As Shaun O’Hara said on the post game show (who knows a lot more about football than you do) there is not a QB in the entire NFL that has played better with less talent than Jones. Your continuous knocks on his play with lack of knowledge is just getting old. Learn the game. It’s a team sport.


First of all you can knock it off with the insults. I don’t think I’ve ever insulted your intelligence. It’s not the first time either.

Secondly, I didn’t knock any part of Jones play today, the discussion going on is about people pointing out every good QBs bad plays in an effort to prop up Jones, and about Jones’ career as a whole. I’m not sure why Josh Allen’s pick/ what if Jones did that was even brought up in this thread after a Giants win and a day when Jones played solid, unless you’re looking for a fight.

Sure Jones has played well this year without much to work with, but there also hasn’t been enough to warrant a decision yet and certainly not enough to waive away concerns.
The absolute nonsense that gets spouted around here is insane  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/13/2022 7:09 pm : link
The entire coughlin era was built on passing, QB, and WR and people want to sit at the computer and insist on that "cold weather NFC east meadowlands winds can't be a passing team" blabber.

RE: The Bills and Eagles  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/13/2022 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15905770 ajr2456 said:
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Play in the northeast and are top 10 in passing. Last I checked the winter weather in Kansas City isn’t that great either.

The Giants absolutely should, and will, look to build an offense that trends more toward pass happy. “Not in this division” is nonsense, they’ll have to beat teams “not in this division” to win a Super Bowl.


Got it genius.
Elephant herd  
JINTin Adirondacks : 11/13/2022 7:25 pm : link
In 50yrs of watching football I don't believe I have ever seen that amount of linemen in the game at once There was at least one play where Jones, Barclay and Slayton were the only non linemen in the game.
RE: Two evenly matched teams  
djm : 11/13/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15905219 M.S. said:
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Giants came away with a win.

Put it in the bank.

7-2.

The re-build is still in it’s very early stages.


Oh stop
Once again many on BBI are being ridiculous  
djm : 11/13/2022 8:33 pm : link
The same posters that had this team winning less than 7 games now can’t wait to explain why the team still isn’t good, and I love the sneaky ways some find ways to disparage Daniel jones and the passing game.

We once again run for 200 plus yards. Give up less than 20 points but yes please tell me everything that’s wrong here.

The same ugly win we had in London just beat Dallas.

You either win these games or you don’t. Bad teams lose them. Good teams win them.
Are people going to complain  
thefan : 11/13/2022 8:43 pm : link
If we beat Detroit by 3 next week?
RE: Are people going to complain  
Semipro Lineman : 11/13/2022 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15906071 thefan said:
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If we beat Detroit by 3 next week?

Yes, next question
RE: Once again many on BBI are being ridiculous  
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15906059 djm said:
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The same posters that had this team winning less than 7 games now can’t wait to explain why the team still isn’t good, and I love the sneaky ways some find ways to disparage Daniel jones and the passing game.

We once again run for 200 plus yards. Give up less than 20 points but yes please tell me everything that’s wrong here.

The same ugly win we had in London just beat Dallas.

You either win these games or you don’t. Bad teams lose them. Good teams win them.

You forgot to add “Barkley sucks” and “Jones is not a NFL starter” to this list
The goal was simple  
djm : 11/13/2022 9:04 pm : link
The giants needed to find an identity and develop star power this season. It’s happening in spades. Everything we could have hoped for this year is actually happening. Now we need to make the playoffs. This franchise needs to get used to winning again and cultivate players that know how to win. Then they need to keep the core together.

You could not have drawn this up any better, first 9 games. From the qb (yes the qb) all the way down to the 3rd corner and everything in between. The plan is working. If you thought these games would be 14 pt cake walks every week I don’t know what to tell you but that wasn’t realistic. Not even sure hoping for 7-2 was, but here we are, a lot of money in the bank and we have outs.

Rome wasn’t built in a day, but we’re building something. You have to be giddy right now if you’re an NYG fan. Not delusional, just thrilled where we are and what the future looks like.
RE: RE: Once again many on BBI are being ridiculous  
djm : 11/13/2022 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15906104 ryanmkeane said:
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The same posters that had this team winning less than 7 games now can’t wait to explain why the team still isn’t good, and I love the sneaky ways some find ways to disparage Daniel jones and the passing game.

We once again run for 200 plus yards. Give up less than 20 points but yes please tell me everything that’s wrong here.

The same ugly win we had in London just beat Dallas.

You either win these games or you don’t. Bad teams lose them. Good teams win them.


You forgot to add “Barkley sucks” and “Jones is not a NFL starter” to this list


I know, but I don’t want to stir any shit up. I kinda wish I could take that post back as it wasn’t really necessary. But it’s hard not to get defensive when we watched this franchise lose dozens and dozens of games since 16 only to now see people throw these good moments back as if they aren’t sustainable.

If you picked them to go 5-12 and now need to find / post excuses as to why they are good, I don’t know, seems like wasted energy to me.
Its simple why some are here complaining after victories  
BigBlue565358 : 11/13/2022 9:07 pm : link
they said the team would win only 3-4 games, Jones sucks, and they should have traded Barkley at the draft because he is toast

All of it was very wrong, and they cant handle it or admit they were wrong

So they have to try disparage a 7-2 team

RE: Its simple why some are here complaining after victories  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15906113 BigBlue565358 said:
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they said the team would win only 3-4 games, Jones sucks, and they should have traded Barkley at the draft because he is toast

All of it was very wrong, and they cant handle it or admit they were wrong

So they have to try disparage a 7-2 team


There were a lot of people who think Jones are good that were doing a lot of complaining today too, let’s be fair.
And again  
djm : 11/13/2022 9:10 pm : link
Teams that run the ball for 200 yards per game WIN a lot of games. Go look up the numbers if you don’t believe this is real. We’re running the ball thx to a stud left tackle and stud rb and very good running qb. That my friends is sustainable.
RE: RE: Its simple why some are here complaining after victories  
speedywheels : 11/13/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15906116 ajr2456 said:
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they said the team would win only 3-4 games, Jones sucks, and they should have traded Barkley at the draft because he is toast

All of it was very wrong, and they cant handle it or admit they were wrong

So they have to try disparage a 7-2 team




There were a lot of people who think Jones are good that were doing a lot of complaining today too, let’s be fair.


And yet some of the most critical of him are conspicuously absent ( including one who is Usually on game threads).

🤔
RE: And again  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15906117 djm said:
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Teams that run the ball for 200 yards per game WIN a lot of games. Go look up the numbers if you don’t believe this is real. We’re running the ball thx to a stud left tackle and stud rb and very good running qb. That my friends is sustainable.


That number alone doesn’t say much, since it’s heavily skewed due to game script.

What’s unsustainable is passing under 200 yards per game, the league average winning percentage when passing for under 200 yards since 2011 is 46%. I’d be curious to know what the winning percentage is for teams that rush for 200 yards and throw for under 200 yards.

Now there’s nothing the Giants are able to do about it this year, but it’s definitely going to be the first thing they look to address this offseason. This team is going to throw the ball a lot more next year, and I think ideally the staff would be throwing more than they run.
RE: RE: And again  
djm : 11/13/2022 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15906143 ajr2456 said:
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Teams that run the ball for 200 yards per game WIN a lot of games. Go look up the numbers if you don’t believe this is real. We’re running the ball thx to a stud left tackle and stud rb and very good running qb. That my friends is sustainable.



That number alone doesn’t say much, since it’s heavily skewed due to game script.

What’s unsustainable is passing under 200 yards per game, the league average winning percentage when passing for under 200 yards since 2011 is 46%. I’d be curious to know what the winning percentage is for teams that rush for 200 yards and throw for under 200 yards.

Now there’s nothing the Giants are able to do about it this year, but it’s definitely going to be the first thing they look to address this offseason. This team is going to throw the ball a lot more next year, and I think ideally the staff would be throwing more than they run.


No arguments from me the passing game needs help. Eventually you will need balance and elite passing game specs to win titles. Like I said (here or another thread) Rome wasn’t built in a day. It’s just nice to see more and more players emerge along with an identity. We’re finally great at something.
Go get beckham  
djm : 11/13/2022 9:55 pm : link
And at least field good possession wrs. Beckham would attract and draw attention.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 9:56 pm : link
To me it seems like Golladay is totally checked out. He’s pretty quiet to begin with but jesus it seems like he’d basically rather be doing anything else. Shows no life, no skill, and lifeless in the locker room post game. Dude is a complete drag.
RE: RE: RE: And again  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 10:00 pm : link
In comment 15906181 djm said:
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No arguments from me the passing game needs help. Eventually you will need balance and elite passing game specs to win titles. Like I said (here or another thread) Rome wasn’t built in a day. It’s just nice to see more and more players emerge along with an identity. We’re finally great at something.


Which is why I don’t get the heat Kafka is getting. We know what this offense is going to have to be, why are people shocked? If the defense doesn’t get those turnovers in the red zone, they’d likely open the passing game up more but they never really had to.
RE: Go get beckham  
Payasdaddy : 11/13/2022 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15906183 djm said:
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And at least field good possession wrs. Beckham would attract and draw attention.


Is there anyway we can afford Odell?
I would make the move, obviously back load the contract. But who could we extend now to fit him in.
Can’t believe I am saying this but I think he has grown up
And it’s a perfect opportunity for him plus a bit of redemption
On post game show Boomer Esiason  
M.S. : 11/13/2022 10:15 pm : link

Was starting to say some not very nice things about the Giants win today when — first — Phil Simms and then Bill Cowher cut him off. Cowher went so far as to say that some of his early Steelers teams won just like this… run the ball, don’t make mistakes, win the turnover battle. Boomer was definitely eating humble pie after that.

RE: On post game show Boomer Esiason  
joeinpa : 11/13/2022 10:17 pm : link
In comment 15906211 M.S. said:
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Was starting to say some not very nice things about the Giants win today when — first — Phil Simms and then Bill Cowher cut him off. Cowher went so far as to say that some of his early Steelers teams won just like this… run the ball, don’t make mistakes, win the turnover battle. Boomer was definitely eating humble pie after that.


Good to hear that. Boomer seems to resent the Giants
I rather win like this when  
GNewGiants : 11/13/2022 10:27 pm : link
We still lack talent. We won the TOP again which gives guys like Williams and Lawrence time to rest so they can dominate defensively.

Big splash plays leads to the defense being on the field more. We have won a lot of 4th quarters with a fresh defense.
RE: RE: And again  
speedywheels : 11/14/2022 12:02 am : link
In comment 15906143 ajr2456 said:
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Teams that run the ball for 200 yards per game WIN a lot of games. Go look up the numbers if you don’t believe this is real. We’re running the ball thx to a stud left tackle and stud rb and very good running qb. That my friends is sustainable.



That number alone doesn’t say much, since it’s heavily skewed due to game script.

What’s unsustainable is passing under 200 yards per game, the league average winning percentage when passing for under 200 yards since 2011 is 46%. I’d be curious to know what the winning percentage is for teams that rush for 200 yards and throw for under 200 yards.

Now there’s nothing the Giants are able to do about it this year, but it’s definitely going to be the first thing they look to address this offseason. This team is going to throw the ball a lot more next year, and I think ideally the staff would be throwing more than they run.


He would have had 230+ if golladay remebered how to catch the ball.
Dallas is at Minnesota next week  
BigBlue565358 : 11/14/2022 12:28 am : link
We could be two games ahead of them on Thanksgiving

Not having McKinney is really going to hurt against Dallas and their wide receivers
RE: RE: RE: And again  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 3:36 am : link
In comment 15906274 speedywheels said:
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He would have had 230+ if golladay remebered how to catch the ball.


Or he could have had 90 if Slayton gets tackled right away. Ifs don’t count.
RE: RE: RE: RE: And again  
GNewGiants : 11/14/2022 6:47 am : link
In comment 15906304 ajr2456 said:
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He would have had 230+ if golladay remebered how to catch the ball.



Or he could have had 90 if Slayton gets tackled right away. Ifs don’t count.


Never misses a chance to knock Jones - do you?
RE: Its simple why some are here complaining after victories  
Atari2600 : 11/14/2022 6:53 am : link
In comment 15906113 BigBlue565358 said:
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they said the team would win only 3-4 games, Jones sucks, and they should have traded Barkley at the draft because he is toast

All of it was very wrong, and they cant handle it or admit they were wrong

So they have to try disparage a 7-2 team


You registered this month yet you know the history here of what people were saying months agoi. OK then.

Firstly not all of thoise are true. Barkley I'll admit is a keeper when he looked washed. Jones still looks like he can't throw for 300 yards and, I saiud this before and I'll keep saying it: there has not been one player -- ina any sport -- that more people are rooting for despite being the most mediocre MFer in all NY Sports franching. Not even Charles Oakley, Pat Ewing and those guys were actually good.\\If this team were really that good and not feasting on bottom feeders they'll be playing at Sunday night time spot.
RE: RE: On post game show Boomer Esiason  
BigBlueJ : 11/14/2022 7:01 am : link
In comment 15906214 joeinpa said:
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Was starting to say some not very nice things about the Giants win today when — first — Phil Simms and then Bill Cowher cut him off. Cowher went so far as to say that some of his early Steelers teams won just like this… run the ball, don’t make mistakes, win the turnover battle. Boomer was definitely eating humble pie after that.




Good to hear that. Boomer seems to resent the Giants


I dont understand this. Everytime I hear him on the fan he is always defending Jones. Maybe it is a national thing the producers want?
RE: RE: Two evenly matched teams  
M.S. : 11/14/2022 7:02 am : link
In comment 15905282 Sean said:
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Giants came away with a win.

Put it in the bank.

7-2.

The re-build is still in it’s very early stages.


Why be antagonistic? You are a good poster but you predict a loss every week. You predicted this team to win 3-4 wins. You said this would be a 3-4 YEAR rebuild. Yet, the Giants are 7-2.

I re-read this post and my apologies. I can see where you think it's "antagonistic," and I should have been clearer when I said "two evenly matched teams." I meant that in the context of the actual game that was played on Sunday, not my belief that a 1-6 Texas team is as good as / no different than the Giants.

But fair is fair, and I call it as I see it... that game was a closely fought one. And, if Texas doesn't turn the ball over, and if they don't have a TD pass called back due to holding (which was a legitimate call), then maybe we wake up this morning with the Giants 6-3.

As for my predictions about the Giants, I have been wrong about several outcomes, starting with my belief that this was a 5-6 win team max before the season started. 7 wins at this stage is amazing and has brought joy to all BBIers. We can now watch relevant football games in November/December!

I posted somewhere that, if the Giants -- who are missing several key starters -- can come out of the break and beat Houston... they would make the playoffs! I stand by that statement, but it is going to be very tough sledding ahead. There is no margin of error for this team. I believe they can now win 10 games, which should be enough for post-season play.

But I believe there is a caveat. This team is missing its #1 TE, its #1 RT and its #1 FS. And the team is skating on very thin ice with 2 great DTs and very little behind them, and a wide receiver group that has already broken through the ice. There are no guaranteed wins down the road for this team. Most likely every game here on in will be a struggle and a nail-biter.
Very fair MS  
Sean : 11/14/2022 7:47 am : link
You are a great poster and thrilled to be 7-2!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: And again  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 9:22 am : link
In comment 15906337 GNewGiants said:
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He would have had 230+ if golladay remebered how to catch the ball.



Or he could have had 90 if Slayton gets tackled right away. Ifs don’t count.



Never misses a chance to knock Jones - do you?


How is that a knock, dupe?
Lol  
GNewGiants : 11/14/2022 9:27 am : link
oh, you are such a treasure. Like finding coal in a treasure chest at the bottom of the sea.
RE: RE: RE: RE: And again  
speedywheels : 11/14/2022 9:38 am : link
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He would have had 230+ if golladay remebered how to catch the ball.



Or he could have had 90 if Slayton gets tackled right away. Ifs don’t count.


Jones haters use ifs/almosts all the time - “Jones almost had two INT’s” - so it’s fair to use them to describe the other way as well.

Especially on a brutal drop like KG had. It was a perfect throw…

I’ll stop using ifs when they do.
I didn’t watch the game live and I’ve always found it difficult  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/14/2022 9:43 am : link
to get a good feel for a game after the fact. They did what they needed to do to get the W. That’s all that matters. However, it was interesting that I thought this was the first time I saw this HC and OC coached not to lose. The game plan being run heavy wasn’t surprising, but it was sooo vanilla. And we didn’t see much of Jones running outside of scrambles. Defense seemed like they took their foot off of the pedal late in the second half, even with those turnovers.

The people who tried make Kenny Golladay’s return a thing weren’t serious. He’s cooked physically and mentally.

Big Dexy was the best player on the field yesterday. He looks like he deserves All Pro votes. LW was excellent too.

Slayton keeps making plays. Since none of these TEs can block, might as well play the fastest guy in Cager.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: And again  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 9:46 am : link
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Jones haters use ifs/almosts all the time - “Jones almost had two INT’s” - so it’s fair to use them to describe the other way as well.

Especially on a brutal drop like KG had. It was a perfect throw…

I’ll stop using ifs when they do.


Cool story but that has nothing to with the conversation that they’re averaging 180 passing yards for the year, and that they’ll be passing a lot more next year.

Some of you seem very upset there isn’t more criticism of Jones.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: And again  
GNewGiants : 11/14/2022 9:49 am : link
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Jones haters use ifs/almosts all the time - “Jones almost had two INT’s” - so it’s fair to use them to describe the other way as well.

Especially on a brutal drop like KG had. It was a perfect throw…

I’ll stop using ifs when they do.



Cool story but that has nothing to with the conversation that they’re averaging 180 passing yards for the year, and that they’ll be passing a lot more next year.

Some of you seem very upset there isn’t more criticism of Jones.


So you want them to pass a lot more at the expense of Barkley? And what if they are still consistently winning? You want them to ditch whats working just to throw more?

The only way they will be passing more is if Barkley is hurt or they are trailing a lot in games.
You literally have zero reading comprehension skills.  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 10:01 am : link
Point to where I said that. I’ve said repeatedly the game plan and okay calling was fine, and they had no reason to pass. The conversation with DJM was about what is sustainable going forward, and that Giants will be passing the ball more NEXT year.
RE: You literally have zero reading comprehension skills.  
GNewGiants : 11/14/2022 10:03 am : link
In comment 15906611 ajr2456 said:
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Point to where I said that. I’ve said repeatedly the game plan and okay calling was fine, and they had no reason to pass. The conversation with DJM was about what is sustainable going forward, and that Giants will be passing the ball more NEXT year.


Yeah that was my point. Thought it was understood. Ill slow it down for you a little bit.

Throwing it more NEXT YEAR means less Barkley.
No it doesn’t.  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 10:13 am : link
Passing the ball means more points and quicker drives. When the offense is better next year they can pass it 30 times a game and still give Barkley 25+ carries. The top teams run over 60 plays a game, Philly runs 67 and is averaging 35 runs a game.
RE: No it doesn’t.  
GNewGiants : 11/14/2022 10:17 am : link
In comment 15906635 ajr2456 said:
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Passing the ball means more points and quicker drives. When the offense is better next year they can pass it 30 times a game and still give Barkley 25+ carries. The top teams run over 60 plays a game, Philly runs 67 and is averaging 35 runs a game.


One of the reasons why the defense has excelled this year is because how well they have been rested. The Giants are 4th in the NFL in TOP of this year. They have averaged having the ball nearly 4 minutes longer than the last decade combined. So quicker drives will actually hurt the defense. And you cant assume it is going to lead to more points. It may. It also may lead to more 3 and outs and more possessions for the other team.

And using Philly as an example is poor because they have a top 5ish TE and Brown/Smith - so again - if we are going to completely rehaul the passing attack with new WRs and TEs (which we may) - the assumptions of just throwing the ball and it will lead us to more points and success is just assuming - no guarantees.
The Titans threw the ball 31 times and Henry ran it 27 times  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 10:26 am : link
A game last year. Philly runs that amount of plays and is still first in time of possession. They’re not going to not try be a more prolific offense to “keep the defense rested” especially when their is little correlation to plays run and time of possession. Half the top ten in plays run are in the top half of the league in time of possession, and half aren’t.

The Giants will be passing the ball more next year. And Saqoun is averaging 22 carries a game this year, so not sure why they’d have to go below that to pass the ball more.
So you are saying  
GNewGiants : 11/14/2022 10:29 am : link
the defense has benefitted with the extra rest coming from our ball control offense?
RE: The Titans threw the ball 31 times and Henry ran it 27 times  
PatersonPlank : 11/14/2022 10:31 am : link
In comment 15906670 ajr2456 said:
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A game last year. Philly runs that amount of plays and is still first in time of possession. They’re not going to not try be a more prolific offense to “keep the defense rested” especially when their is little correlation to plays run and time of possession. Half the top ten in plays run are in the top half of the league in time of possession, and half aren’t.

The Giants will be passing the ball more next year. And Saqoun is averaging 22 carries a game this year, so not sure why they’d have to go below that to pass the ball more.


In 6 of the Giants 9 games this season, and the 4 games prior to Houston, Jones threw the ball between 25-31 times. So the Giants are doing this same offense now, not next year. Jones is playing a lot like Tannehill frankly
RE: RE: The Titans threw the ball 31 times and Henry ran it 27 times  
GNewGiants : 11/14/2022 10:32 am : link
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A game last year. Philly runs that amount of plays and is still first in time of possession. They’re not going to not try be a more prolific offense to “keep the defense rested” especially when their is little correlation to plays run and time of possession. Half the top ten in plays run are in the top half of the league in time of possession, and half aren’t.

The Giants will be passing the ball more next year. And Saqoun is averaging 22 carries a game this year, so not sure why they’d have to go below that to pass the ball more.



In 6 of the Giants 9 games this season, and the 4 games prior to Houston, Jones threw the ball between 25-31 times. So the Giants are doing this same offense now, not next year. Jones is playing a lot like Tannehill frankly


Yeah thats why I dont get the phrase "a lot more". I mean we are not going to be throwing it 35-40 times a game with Barkley on this team. The run game and the defense are clearly the strengths of the team - I dont see why deviating from that plan is a sure thing.
Maybe it has maybe it hasn’t  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 10:37 am : link
The defense is 15th in YPG, 27th in YPP, but is 8th in point against. They’ve also performed extremely well in the redzone, being 3rd in TDS allowed while being 15th in plays run in the redzone.

That doesn’t show a defense that is playing well because they’re well rested, it looks like one that’s giving up yards but coming up with timely plays to keep the team in the game.
Let's piggy back of ajr point  
GNewGiants : 11/14/2022 10:39 am : link
about passing a lot more...

First off, we need a new number 1 or 2 to even consider it. So lets look at what teams like Buffalo, Philly, Arizona and other teams have done - trade for a stud WR. Who would be available due to contract being up or team looking to start over...

Indy - Michael Pittman?
Carolina - DJ Moore?
Saints - Michael Thomas? (huge risk factor)
Seattle - Metcalf (not sure with team success this year)
Denver - Jeudy? (Always banged up)
Washington - McLaurein (wont be traded within the division)

SO lets say we did trade for one of these WRs and with our first pick - we drafted a WR - then yes - I would agree with Ajr, we will see more passing and bigger plays.

But to make it seem like this is a given - seems a little far fetched to me.
RE: Maybe it has maybe it hasn’t  
GNewGiants : 11/14/2022 10:40 am : link
In comment 15906703 ajr2456 said:
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That doesn’t show a defense that is playing well because they’re well rested, it looks like one that’s giving up yards but coming up with timely plays to keep the team in the game.


Differences aside, I will disagree with this point because of the amount of snaps Leo and Dexter play. The way they play in the 4th and the amount of plays they actually play in - I think the extra time is very beneficial to them.
It’s a given the Giants won’t be rolling out the same WR group next  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 10:50 am : link
Year. They may not trade for a true number one but there’s going to be at least three different WRs in the top 4 next year.
RE: RE: Maybe it has maybe it hasn’t  
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In comment 15906717 GNewGiants said:
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That doesn’t show a defense that is playing well because they’re well rested, it looks like one that’s giving up yards but coming up with timely plays to keep the team in the game.



Differences aside, I will disagree with this point because of the amount of snaps Leo and Dexter play. The way they play in the 4th and the amount of plays they actually play in - I think the extra time is very beneficial to them.


They’re both in the top 25 of DL in snaps per game.
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