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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/13/2022 4:08 pm
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RE: A win is a win  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15905286 Giantfan21 said:
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They made this game too close and had to rely on turnovers by the defense and a long FG by Gano to win because Kafka was coaching this game scared with no creativity


That has been the whole season. This isn’t an offense that is going to be able to pass all over the other team and blow people out.
RE: RE: M.S.  
section125 : 11/13/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15905283 M.S. said:
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You thought there was a good chance we'd go 0-4 the next 4 so...



Three things:

(1) Here are my exact words:
2-2 in the next four games will be an amazing feat. 1-3 would hardly be shocking. And 0-4 I'm afraid is attainable.

(2) Compared with the fantasy statements this week by some BBIers about the resurrection of Kenny Golladay against Houston, my statement above isn’t so bad.

(3) And I said before the game that Kenny Golladay would do nothing today… several times.

I guess that makes me 1-for-2, batting .500! (:-) LOL


Good points. I do think that Detroit is going to be a tough game for them.
I was hoping Golladay would show up. He didn't. Maybe his last game uniform as a Giant.
RE: Refusing  
speedywheels : 11/13/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15905239 AcidTest said:
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to throw the ball is unsustainable. I know Houston has the worst run defense in the league and we probably have the worst WRs and TEs, but Kafka telegraphed every first down play as a run to Barkley. On several occasions, Barkley ran the ball four or five times in a row. Sure, Golladay dropped an easy pass and should be benched, but Kafka rarely made any attempt to move the ball down field through the air. What's even more puzzling is that there were no designed runs with Jones. And we did we try to score at the end of the half with so little time left and so far to go, even for a FG?

Thought the defense played well, especially Lawrence, Williams, and Jackson. Thibs is being held, but I agree he's not going to get those calls until he gets some sacks. And that won't happen until he gets stronger IMO.


You answered your own question - HOU sucks against the run and we have very few weapons. When they did throw to the WR’s, Golladay dropped two first downs, including one that would have gone for 20+ yards.
I think we can all agree Golladay will be on the Sy  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:34 pm : link
dud list this week. Dex and LW gotta be on the stud list.
This is about what we expected  
Chris684 : 11/13/2022 4:34 pm : link
Those of you concerned with how we’re winning, well, after the last 6 years I don’t know what to even say to you other than that there have been about 70 games played in the NFL so far this year that have been within one score.

It’s looking very likely that Daboll is going to take this team to the playoffs in year 1, who can complain about that?

This current group is being held together with glue right now but if we can get Bellinger, Neal, McKinney and Ojulari back on the field maybe we can surprise some people.

I will be curious to see why Jones didn’t run really at all today. Nothing by design anyway.
Did Landon  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/13/2022 4:34 pm : link
Play today?
RE: RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15905300 Giantfan21 said:
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It was a very conservative game plan today. Run the ball, stop the run and don’t turn it over. It has worked all year as our margin for error is extremely razor thin, but it’ll come back to haunt us against teams with better offenses like Dallas, Philly and Vikes. 8 more games of which 5 are Division games too.



Maybe they will change the gameplan for those types of games? We'll find out soon.



Would be nice if they had practice going for the kill against one of the worst teams in football instead of waiting till they play a great team


It's not like Dabs wasn't being aggressive at times. Remember the brutal false-start when going for it on 4th and 1. That fuck up really changed the game.
RE: This is about what we expected  
outeiroj : 11/13/2022 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15905308 Chris684 said:
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Those of you concerned with how we’re winning, well, after the last 6 years I don’t know what to even say to you other than that there have been about 70 games played in the NFL so far this year that have been within one score.

It’s looking very likely that Daboll is going to take this team to the playoffs in year 1, who can complain about that?

This current group is being held together with glue right now but if we can get Bellinger, Neal, McKinney and Ojulari back on the field maybe we can surprise some people.

I will be curious to see why Jones didn’t run really at all today. Nothing by design anyway.


why put your qb in harms way if you dont need to?
Golladay drops two balls  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/13/2022 4:37 pm : link
and yet Jones is 13 of 17
7-0 with the formula  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/13/2022 4:37 pm : link
30 plus rushes for over 4ypc. Hold the team to less than 20 and win the turnover battle.

Few reasons they are running so much. Lack skill guys outside SB. Today Wink had three rookies starting and a bunch of injuries.

As a team they need to win the play count. Look what happened on that one drive where they tried to give a breather to Williams and Lawrence both of who have played high plays this year. Incompletion lead to stopping the clock and no advance in down/distance.


RE: It is and has been about game planning  
DefenseWins : 11/13/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15905294 BillT said:
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They have a plan, they stick to it, we’re 7-2 because of it. Who cares if Joes doesn’t pass in the 4th with a big lead. That’s smart strategy.


It is not sexy and does not make the lighlight reels. That is what people care about.

Giants fans were jerking off to an amazing highlight reel catch by OBJ in a game that we lost.
RE: RE: This is about what we expected  
Chris684 : 11/13/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15905314 outeiroj said:
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Those of you concerned with how we’re winning, well, after the last 6 years I don’t know what to even say to you other than that there have been about 70 games played in the NFL so far this year that have been within one score.

It’s looking very likely that Daboll is going to take this team to the playoffs in year 1, who can complain about that?

This current group is being held together with glue right now but if we can get Bellinger, Neal, McKinney and Ojulari back on the field maybe we can surprise some people.

I will be curious to see why Jones didn’t run really at all today. Nothing by design anyway.



why put your qb in harms way if you dont need to?


Jones’s running ability is dynamic and is one aspect of this offense along with Barkley that poses problems for defenses. I’m always in favor of it.

That said. I’m not disappointed about today. Just curious.
RE: RE: RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
section125 : 11/13/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15905312 thefan said:
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It's not like Dabs wasn't being aggressive at times. Remember the brutal false-start when going for it on 4th and 1. That fuck up really changed the game.


That was far too complex for a 4th and 1 QB sneak. I do not think Jones has been stopped yet with a regular keeper. There was confusion before the TO, too.

They are 8-2, so that is so totally unexpected. But Jones was killing the Texans in the 3rd quarter. Why did they stop letting Jones throw...
This Board is pathetic  
Bruner4329 : 11/13/2022 4:40 pm : link
Not satisfied with a win. Complaining and we are 7-2. Worried about style points. Geez this team has to play this way to have a chance. Well coached and don't turn the ball over. Enjoy it.
RE: This is a team led by Barkley & the defense  
Eman11 : 11/13/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15905234 Sean said:
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Jones was asked to do very little today. I don’t get it.


What don’t you get? This was the plan to get the W TODAY and they got it. Nothing else matters or needs to be said.

Maybe next week they need to throw it 35+ times to win. The goal was to go 1-0 this week and they accomplished it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
giantBCP : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15905335 section125 said:
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It's not like Dabs wasn't being aggressive at times. Remember the brutal false-start when going for it on 4th and 1. That fuck up really changed the game.



That was far too complex for a 4th and 1 QB sneak. I do not think Jones has been stopped yet with a regular keeper. There was confusion before the TO, too.

They are 8-2, so that is so totally unexpected. But Jones was killing the Texans in the 3rd quarter. Why did they stop letting Jones throw...


Because they want to sign him to a bargain basement deal. That’s the first step in the rebuild.
Stud list starts  
Carl in CT : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
With DJ. 1 missed throw all day and a 153 passer rating.
RE: This Board is pathetic  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15905339 Bruner4329 said:
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Not satisfied with a win. Complaining and we are 7-2. Worried about style points. Geez this team has to play this way to have a chance. Well coached and don't turn the ball over. Enjoy it.
+1
I can readily admit I was wrong  
jvm52106 : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
About KG today. The biggest surprise isn't the lack of stats it was the fact that he blatantly dropped two passes, both of which stopped drives in their tracks!

Here is my question, do we see Golladay get released after that pathetic performance? I know if it were me I would cut him no matter what I needed to do to make it work..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15905335 section125 said:
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It's not like Dabs wasn't being aggressive at times. Remember the brutal false-start when going for it on 4th and 1. That fuck up really changed the game.



That was far too complex for a 4th and 1 QB sneak. I do not think Jones has been stopped yet with a regular keeper. There was confusion before the TO, too.

They are 8-2, so that is so totally unexpected. But Jones was killing the Texans in the 3rd quarter. Why did they stop letting Jones throw...


Sounds like you need to write an impassioned letter to Dabs.
RE: M.S.  
M.S. : 11/13/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15905285 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I'm busting your balls, to an extent. Haha.

No prob… that’s fine. I sorta read it that way, and besides I probably deserve it!

7-2. Meaningful games the rest of the way!

What an unexpectedly fun season!!!
I think Hodgins and Cager will help this passing game once  
Simms11 : 11/13/2022 4:43 pm : link
they get a bit more acclimated. Cager is a lousy blocker, but can catch the ball. I ca see why they brought in the jumbo TEs on occasion. Until we get Bellinger back, I think we’ll continue to see more of that.

On another note, next weeks game will also not be a walk in the park, as Goff can sling the ball around and Detroit is playing better on offense this year too. It’s going to be another close game. I hope they don’t look ahead to Dallas though as we will need this game too.
7 - 2  
darren in pdx : 11/13/2022 4:44 pm : link
and the lead the whole game. Texans are a scrappy team but I think Giants had it and were clearly better. Pierce is the real deal. I’m not going to complain about not ‘winning good enough.’ 7 - 2 is 7 - 2. Daboll is coaching his ass off, incredible job by him.
RE: I can readily admit I was wrong  
darren in pdx : 11/13/2022 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15905348 jvm52106 said:
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About KG today. The biggest surprise isn't the lack of stats it was the fact that he blatantly dropped two passes, both of which stopped drives in their tracks!

Here is my question, do we see Golladay get released after that pathetic performance? I know if it were me I would cut him no matter what I needed to do to make it work..


They can’t afford to release him.
RE: What happened to our defense in the second half?  
k2tampa : 11/13/2022 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15905217 Gary from The East End said:
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Also Jones didn't attempt a pass in the 4th quarter


No one has talked about the fact McKinney was the one who made adjustments in the defense in reaction to the offensive alignment and got people in the right place. Maybe that had something to do with a lot of receivers running open in the second half.

I didn't expect Jones to throw a pass in the fourth (especially with the lack of quality receivers). Jones didn't need to throw a pass. This is how the Giants have won throughout the '80s, '90s', and in this century. They don't blow people out. It's frustrating, but anyone who has been around a while should understand it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A win is a win is a win......  
section125 : 11/13/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15905349 thefan said:
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It's not like Dabs wasn't being aggressive at times. Remember the brutal false-start when going for it on 4th and 1. That fuck up really changed the game.



That was far too complex for a 4th and 1 QB sneak. I do not think Jones has been stopped yet with a regular keeper. There was confusion before the TO, too.

They are 8-2, so that is so totally unexpected. But Jones was killing the Texans in the 3rd quarter. Why did they stop letting Jones throw...



Sounds like you need to write an impassioned letter to Dabs.


Ok, I will let a sharp customer like you write it...let me know if he responds.
...  
broadbandz : 11/13/2022 4:47 pm : link
Golladay cannot dress out again. One of the worst players all-time for the giants.
RE: ...  
speedywheels : 11/13/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15905288 Eric from BBI said:
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Ryan Dunleavy
@rydunleavy
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Dane Belton postgame X-rays for #Giants


LOL, of COURSE that happens

Sigh....
RE: RE: RE: M.S.  
M.S. : 11/13/2022 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15905293 Thunderstruck27 said:
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You thought there was a good chance we'd go 0-4 the next 4 so...



Three things:

(1) Here are my exact words:
2-2 in the next four games will be an amazing feat. 1-3 would hardly be shocking. And 0-4 I'm afraid is attainable.

(2) Compared with the fantasy statements this week by some BBIers about the resurrection of Kenny Golladay against Houston, my statement above isn’t so bad.

(3) And I said before the game that Kenny Golladay would do nothing today… several times.

I guess that makes me 1-for-2, batting .500! (:-) LOL



Not sure how you called Golladay. Carnac the Magnificent

LOL... that is the perfect name!!!

"Watch the ball hit my stomach, and now see it on the ground."
RE: RE: What happened to our defense in the second half?  
Angel Eyes : 11/13/2022 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15905370 k2tampa said:
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Also Jones didn't attempt a pass in the 4th quarter



No one has talked about the fact McKinney was the one who made adjustments in the defense in reaction to the offensive alignment and got people in the right place. Maybe that had something to do with a lot of receivers running open in the second half.

I didn't expect Jones to throw a pass in the fourth (especially with the lack of quality receivers). Jones didn't need to throw a pass. This is how the Giants have won throughout the '80s, '90s', and in this century. They don't blow people out. It's frustrating, but anyone who has been around a while should understand it.

Strahan said something similar in the 2007 Giants episode of America's Game; they don't win easy. Everything goes down to the wire or was a struggle (the Jets game that year as a case of two halves, a messy game in London against the Dolphins, Chicago, Akers hitting the upright as time expired, etc).
The game was never in doubt  
armstead98 : 11/13/2022 4:50 pm : link
And people are complaining about being conservative? Weird.
If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
Carl in CT : 11/13/2022 4:51 pm : link
4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.
It may not have been pretty, but a win is a win  
Matt M. : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
and 7-2 is still 7-2.

On to another matchup they should be expected to win.
RE: The game was never in doubt  
section125 : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15905410 armstead98 said:
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And people are complaining about being conservative? Weird.


Never in doubt? Had they gotten one more TD on one of those drives in the 4th quarter, it would have been....
RE: The game was never in doubt  
kcgiants : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15905410 armstead98 said:
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And people are complaining about being conservative? Weird.

Not sure if it was never in doubt.
We needed the two INTs to win
RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15905413 Carl in CT said:
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.


God this is so annoying.

Let us know when Jones has a game as good as Allen’s best games.
RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15905413 Carl in CT said:
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.
You could include Aaron Rodgers into that with three INTs against Detroit....
They are clearly not using certain plays  
BigBlue565358 : 11/13/2022 4:53 pm : link
to hide them for Dallas, Wash, and Philly. Have been very vanilla the last two games

Golladay dropped one pass, the first one was a bad throw

Detroit has a lot of offense and not much defense

Charles Davis said something interesting near the end of the game - he said Mills told him that the biggest adjustment for a college QB is reading the defense POST snap because the NFL hides things on defense and tries to fool you while colleges never do. Davis then said so being able to process fast post snap is the key
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/13/2022 4:55 pm : link
Some overall thoughts:

1) Dex is a beast. Good Lord.
2) The Scottish Hammer blows.
3) The $72 dollar million man...just send him home.
4) Loved the fire Dabbs brings. He was giving Jack Anderson the business after that stupid false start. We convert there & we could have blown Houston out. Dumb AF penalty.
5) I'd like to see DJ run more. I don't think they called any designed runs all the game.

Whatever. 7-2 is 7-2. Onward to Detroit!
RE: Golladay drops two balls  
k2tampa : 11/13/2022 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15905321 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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and yet Jones is 13 of 17


Myarick dropped a catchable ball in the flat that would have resulted in a loss. The only bad throw was the one behind Slayton. And in watching the replay that might have been knocked down at the LOS if he had thrown it any more to the right.
Don’t think they’re hiding anything from the Cowboys and Eagles  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 4:56 pm : link
This is the offense this year. It’s how they’re going to win games.
RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
kcgiants : 11/13/2022 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15905425 ajr2456 said:
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.



God this is so annoying.

Let us know when Jones has a game as good as Allen’s best games.

I'm sure Dan Marino had many great games but did he win a SB?
So lets don't compare QBs. Its timing and as long as you play better than the other QB in the game
Time for a get right performance from Green Bay  
thefan : 11/13/2022 4:57 pm : link
lets go.
RE: RE: Refusing  
AcidTest : 11/13/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15905304 speedywheels said:
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to throw the ball is unsustainable. I know Houston has the worst run defense in the league and we probably have the worst WRs and TEs, but Kafka telegraphed every first down play as a run to Barkley. On several occasions, Barkley ran the ball four or five times in a row. Sure, Golladay dropped an easy pass and should be benched, but Kafka rarely made any attempt to move the ball down field through the air. What's even more puzzling is that there were no designed runs with Jones. And we did we try to score at the end of the half with so little time left and so far to go, even for a FG?

Thought the defense played well, especially Lawrence, Williams, and Jackson. Thibs is being held, but I agree he's not going to get those calls until he gets some sacks. And that won't happen until he gets stronger IMO.



You answered your own question - HOU sucks against the run and we have very few weapons. When they did throw to the WR’s, Golladay dropped two first downs, including one that would have gone for 20+ yards.


We didn't throw a single pass in the 4th quarter. It worked today, but likely won't against an even marginally better team.
RE: RE: Golladay drops two balls  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/13/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15905441 k2tampa said:
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and yet Jones is 13 of 17



Myarick dropped a catchable ball in the flat that would have resulted in a loss. The only bad throw was the one behind Slayton. And in watching the replay that might have been knocked down at the LOS if he had thrown it any more to the right.


Could of been a bad throw of he was expecting Slayton to sit on the route. Who really knows. Good thing they hit a big play after that.
Why did Saquon give himself up?  
Rico : 11/13/2022 4:59 pm : link
I know he was trying to stay in bounds, but a first down there would have helped us more than staying in bounds.

It was 2nd down, and we would have gotten two extra plays by making the first down, and it would have made the FG shorter. I think that was a bad decision.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 4:59 pm : link
Not surprising to me that they went super conservative all game. They played a bit sloppy and Daboll likely realized once they got up 2 possessions that as long as they kept Houston at bay, Houston offense wasn’t going to do much so they essentially just ran out the clock

Definitely deserves some criticism but it worked.
RE: RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 4:59 pm : link
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.



God this is so annoying.

Let us know when Jones has a game as good as Allen’s best games.


I'm sure Dan Marino had many great games but did he win a SB?
So let’s don't compare QBs. Its timing and as long as you play better than the other QB in the game


So then we can stop with posts and threads any time a top end QB has a bad game?
RE: I can readily admit I was wrong  
AcidTest : 11/13/2022 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15905348 jvm52106 said:
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About KG today. The biggest surprise isn't the lack of stats it was the fact that he blatantly dropped two passes, both of which stopped drives in their tracks!

Here is my question, do we see Golladay get released after that pathetic performance? I know if it were me I would cut him no matter what I needed to do to make it work..


There are too many salary cap implications to release him IIRC. The question is whether he will dress again. The bigger question is whether Schoen will restructure his contract even if he doesn't dress since that is apparently the only way we can create some much needed cap space.
RE: Don’t think they’re hiding anything from the Cowboys and Eagles  
BigBlue565358 : 11/13/2022 5:00 pm : link
In comment 15905445 ajr2456 said:
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This is the offense this year. It’s how they’re going to win games.

They have clearly not used plays in the last 2 games that were a big part of the offense in the first part of the season. The offense is way more vanilla than it was before

It makes sense that they are keeping those plays under wraps again until Dallas and Philly
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