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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/13/2022 4:08 pm
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Giants played great  
mpinmaine : 11/13/2022 5:55 pm : link
You all that are bitching are either stupid or too high
Darnay Holmes  
ColHowPepper : 11/13/2022 5:55 pm : link
There was one play he was badly beat by the WR in the endzone but Mills overthrew him. So there's that. But I've been impressed by his physicality and sure tackling. He misses some, but open field he's been pretty darn good in the slot, and he's not a big guy but a big heart
Well, I think they give Golladay one more go next week,as the Lions,  
TheMick7 : 11/13/2022 6:01 pm : link
his former team, come to town. If playing against them doesn't motivate him,nothing will. Last Dance,Last Chance!
...  
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 6:02 pm : link
I love the sight of Nick Gates out there putting dudes on the ground - guy is simply what Giants football is all about
RE: Giants played great  
section125 : 11/13/2022 6:05 pm : link
In comment 15905658 mpinmaine said:
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You all that are bitching are either stupid or too high


Ok then.
RE: It’s tough IR Golladay  
outeiroj : 11/13/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15905605 ajr2456 said:
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Once Sheppard went down. Would love to know what happened to him, right now it looks like he’s not interested in football anymore.


last i checked you can't IR someone for having no heart
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Payasdaddy : 11/13/2022 6:06 pm : link
In comment 15905283 M.S. said:
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You thought there was a good chance we'd go 0-4 the next 4 so...



Three things:

(1) Here are my exact words:
2-2 in the next four games will be an amazing feat. 1-3 would hardly be shocking. And 0-4 I'm afraid is attainable.

(2) Compared with the fantasy statements this week by some BBIers about the resurrection of Kenny Golladay against Houston, my statement above isn’t so bad.

(3) And I said before the game that Kenny Golladay would do nothing today… several times.

I guess that makes me 1-for-2, batting .500! (:-) LOL

MS. I was wrong about KG. Dude can’t catch, it’s ridiculous. Probably has dropped half the balls thrown at him this yr
He was actually open a couple of time. Just ridiculous
RE: RE: How can Golladay be this bad ?  
Payasdaddy : 11/13/2022 6:07 pm : link
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I didn't expect anything but damn that is horrible.
Beyond horrible. A sophomore in high school can do better. Just pathetic. He short armed the first one. Just abysmal the 2nd.


Gotta be in his head now…all mental.
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Payasdaddy : 11/13/2022 6:08 pm : link
In comment 15905543 Woodstock said:
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Connor Hughes
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#Giants WR Kenny Golladay said he still feels like he’s the dominant player he was in Detroit.

Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


Yeah dominant. Took the words right out of my mouth
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ColHowPepper : 11/13/2022 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15905543 Woodstock said:
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#Giants WR Kenny Golladay said he still feels like he’s the dominant player he was in Detroit.

Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


Same ol, same ol
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RE: The overall attitude (presentation) is fine
ColHowPepper : 11/10/2022 1:11 pm : link : reply
In comment 15901986 jvm52106 said:
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The question is, can he physically do it. Truthfully, perhaps an actually winning record might give him a sort of RED BULL effect for these last 9 regular season games and we see some glimpses each week of his past play. Not full games but glimpses within the game that adds enough to our offense to be better than it was.

jvm, agree with the question and with the notion that maybe, maybe, some incentive kicks in for him somewhere here. But re. 'the overall attitude (presentation) is fine', I don't know: reading his answers in multiple Q&A pressers, to me he seems caught up in his own, alternate reality that bears no relationship to the reality of KG on and off the field, in terms of production, practicing, evincing that all-in attitude for the guys in the room that he professes to have. It's just really hard to see it
The Giants had first downs inside the Texans 40 yard line twice  
cosmicj : 11/13/2022 6:10 pm : link
In the first half and came away with zero points. If theyd simply even kicked FGs, they would have played with a commanding lead in the 2nd half.

And people have been complaining about Kafka. You know what playcall I really hated? That play in the 2nd quarter around the Texans 30 where the one result they couldn’t let happen was a sack to take them out of FG range. And what play do they call? A drop back pass. Sack. 0 points.

(I’m not saying Kafka sucks. I’m saying that play was a significant play calling error.)
RE: Well, I think they give Golladay one more go next week,as the Lions,  
cosmicj : 11/13/2022 6:11 pm : link
In comment 15905679 TheMick7 said:
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his former team, come to town. If playing against them doesn't motivate him,nothing will. Last Dance,Last Chance!


How about they play the best players? Which doesn’t include Golladay.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
joeinpa : 11/13/2022 6:15 pm : link
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4 ints in last two weeks and one to lose the game. Some on this board would want him replaced with an unproven college kid. It’s just brutal. Before I hear DJ is no Josh Allen (well he is not). But he also doesn’t turn it over like Josh this year neither.



God this is so annoying.

Let us know when Jones has a game as good as Allen’s best games.


I'm sure Dan Marino had many great games but did he win a SB?
So let’s don't compare QBs. Its timing and as long as you play better than the other QB in the game



So then we can stop with posts and threads any time a top end QB has a bad game?



That will end the moment you stop posting every time DJ makes a single mistake. You are expecting perfection and the moment there is one bad pass or he does not see an open WR, you guys immediately jump on it with a comment. If you continue to expect perfection from our QB (no matter who it is), you will just continue to be a miserable fan. None of these QBs are perfect and there are only about 5 humans on the planet who are elite. Get used to not having one of those on this team. We actually never had one but somehow managed to have 4 superbowl championships without one of the top QBs in the league.


Perfectly stated. Every mistake he makes is used as confirmation of the narrative some have of him. Pointing out how poorly Josh Allen has played the past two weeks is a legit way to make the point, those bad plays do not necessarily define who a quarterback is

Daniel not being the player Allen is; that s totally irrelevant to the point

Jones ‘ bad plays do not define him as a player, his total body of work does, and right now that s pretty dam good

Schoen is going to resign this kid if Daniel keeps making plays that lead to victories. That s not going to sit well with some, but. ?
RE: RE: It’s tough IR Golladay  
DefenseWins : 11/13/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15905692 outeiroj said:
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Once Sheppard went down. Would love to know what happened to him, right now it looks like he’s not interested in football anymore.



last i checked you can't IR someone for having no heart


Maybe Andy Reid thinks he can do something with KG. I think he is running some kind of shelter over there.
Schoen and Daboll want to run the offense a certain way  
Dave on the UWS : 11/13/2022 6:21 pm : link
however, they are smart enough to adjust to the talent they have. Without, Bellinger, they are even more limited on offense, both with the run game and especially the pass game. With Neal out, the Pass pro is sketchy at best. So, as the old saying goes "when you put the ball in the air, 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad". So, if you have a lead late, you run, run, run. Next year will be a different story.
Did Golladay play a snap in the 2nd half?  
ChubbyColeMedina : 11/13/2022 6:23 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If Jones did what Josh Allen just did  
Mike from Ohio : 11/13/2022 6:25 pm : link
In comment 15905721 joeinpa said:
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Schoen is going to resign this kid if Daniel keeps making plays that lead to victories. That s not going to sit well with some, but. ?


This is a gross oversimplification. If Jones is resigned because he is making plays nobody will be upset if he is resigned. People may not like the term and the numbers. Some people who are Jones supporters may also not like what he is signed for, or if Schoen doesn’t resign him at all.
RE: Did Golladay play a snap in the 2nd half?  
HewlettGiant : 11/13/2022 6:29 pm : link
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No he did not
And every positive play  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 6:31 pm : link
Is used as confirmation bias for people who like Jones.

Pointing out Josh Allen’s bad plays as a defense of Jones’ mistakes is actually irrelevant. He doesn’t make Josh Allen type plays, so ever missed opportunity on a big play has more impact on what the decision should be in regards to Jones.

It’s not about being perfect, it’s that this offense has limited opportunities to make big plays in the air, so each miss is important.
RE: Schoen and Daboll want to run the offense a certain way  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/13/2022 6:31 pm : link
In comment 15905733 Dave on the UWS said:
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however, they are smart enough to adjust to the talent they have. Without, Bellinger, they are even more limited on offense, both with the run game and especially the pass game. With Neal out, the Pass pro is sketchy at best. So, as the old saying goes "when you put the ball in the air, 3 things can happen and 2 of them are bad". So, if you have a lead late, you run, run, run. Next year will be a different story.


I think one of the worst things this regime could do moving forward is to abandon the run and try to build a pass happy offense. Not in this division and not in the northeast.

More balance yes. Run your offense thought the running game.
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Optimus-NY : 11/13/2022 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15905543 Woodstock said:
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Connor Hughes
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#Giants WR Kenny Golladay said he still feels like he’s the dominant player he was in Detroit.

Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


One of THE most disliked players to play for the NYG in a long, long while. NEVER sign players from the Detroit Lions, lol. Hope he runs to the Lions' sideline next week an stays there. Twat.


@Connor_J_Hughes - #Giants WR Kenny Golladay asked about why it hasn’t worked this year “I don’t know” - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Well, I think they give Golladay one more go next week,as the Lions,  
TheMick7 : 11/13/2022 6:36 pm : link
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his former team, come to town. If playing against them doesn't motivate him,nothing will. Last Dance,Last Chance!



How about they play the best players? Which doesn’t include Golladay.


I don't disagree with you, but I do think they'll want to give him one last try against the Lions. As a GM who made many horrible moves, Golladay could be Gettleman's worst!
The Bills and Eagles  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 6:37 pm : link
Play in the northeast and are top 10 in passing. Last I checked the winter weather in Kansas City isn’t that great either.

The Giants absolutely should, and will, look to build an offense that trends more toward pass happy. “Not in this division” is nonsense, they’ll have to beat teams “not in this division” to win a Super Bowl.
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ArcadeSlumlord : 11/13/2022 6:38 pm : link
In comment 15905543 Woodstock said:
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Connor Hughes
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#Giants WR Kenny Golladay said he still feels like he’s the dominant player he was in Detroit.

Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


The only thing KG is dominating is his checking account game. Keep this cancer at home. Shockey treatment him.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 6:40 pm : link
Jones missed 1 throw today. Other than that he was really good at making the throws when it mattered.
Good win.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/13/2022 6:48 pm : link
Just keep winning these games.
RE: And every positive play  
Carl in CT : 11/13/2022 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15905757 ajr2456 said:
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Is used as confirmation bias for people who like Jones.

Pointing out Josh Allen’s bad plays as a defense of Jones’ mistakes is actually irrelevant. He doesn’t make Josh Allen type plays, so ever missed opportunity on a big play has more impact on what the decision should be in regards to Jones.

It’s not about being perfect, it’s that this offense has limited opportunities to make big plays in the air, so each miss is important.




Each miss (which have not been many) is not always attributed to Jones play for the last time. It’s lack of pass blocking or WR play. As Shaun O’Hara said on the post game show (who knows a lot more about football than you do) there is not a QB in the entire NFL that has played better with less talent than Jones. Your continuous knocks on his play with lack of knowledge is just getting old. Learn the game. It’s a team sport.
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jnoble : 11/13/2022 6:55 pm : link
In comment 15905775 ArcadeSlumlord said:
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Connor Hughes
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#Giants WR Kenny Golladay said he still feels like he’s the dominant player he was in Detroit.

Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”



The only thing KG is dominating is his checking account game. Keep this cancer at home. Shockey treatment him.


I don't remember the Giants ever refusing to play or dress Shockey
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JoeSchoens11 : 11/13/2022 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15905543 Woodstock said:
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Connor Hughes
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#Giants WR Kenny Golladay said he still feels like he’s the dominant player he was in Detroit.

Asked what he’d say to fans who want to know why he’s not performing: “I don’t say nothing to them.”


Afterwards, he did have this to say about the 1st pass:
RE: RE: And every positive play  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15905816 Carl in CT said:
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Each miss (which have not been many) is not always attributed to Jones play for the last time. It’s lack of pass blocking or WR play. As Shaun O’Hara said on the post game show (who knows a lot more about football than you do) there is not a QB in the entire NFL that has played better with less talent than Jones. Your continuous knocks on his play with lack of knowledge is just getting old. Learn the game. It’s a team sport.


First of all you can knock it off with the insults. I don’t think I’ve ever insulted your intelligence. It’s not the first time either.

Secondly, I didn’t knock any part of Jones play today, the discussion going on is about people pointing out every good QBs bad plays in an effort to prop up Jones, and about Jones’ career as a whole. I’m not sure why Josh Allen’s pick/ what if Jones did that was even brought up in this thread after a Giants win and a day when Jones played solid, unless you’re looking for a fight.

Sure Jones has played well this year without much to work with, but there also hasn’t been enough to warrant a decision yet and certainly not enough to waive away concerns.
The absolute nonsense that gets spouted around here is insane  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/13/2022 7:09 pm : link
The entire coughlin era was built on passing, QB, and WR and people want to sit at the computer and insist on that "cold weather NFC east meadowlands winds can't be a passing team" blabber.

RE: The Bills and Eagles  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/13/2022 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15905770 ajr2456 said:
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Play in the northeast and are top 10 in passing. Last I checked the winter weather in Kansas City isn’t that great either.

The Giants absolutely should, and will, look to build an offense that trends more toward pass happy. “Not in this division” is nonsense, they’ll have to beat teams “not in this division” to win a Super Bowl.


Got it genius.
Elephant herd  
JINTin Adirondacks : 11/13/2022 7:25 pm : link
In 50yrs of watching football I don't believe I have ever seen that amount of linemen in the game at once There was at least one play where Jones, Barclay and Slayton were the only non linemen in the game.
RE: Two evenly matched teams  
djm : 11/13/2022 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15905219 M.S. said:
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Giants came away with a win.

Put it in the bank.

7-2.

The re-build is still in it’s very early stages.


Oh stop
Once again many on BBI are being ridiculous  
djm : 11/13/2022 8:33 pm : link
The same posters that had this team winning less than 7 games now can’t wait to explain why the team still isn’t good, and I love the sneaky ways some find ways to disparage Daniel jones and the passing game.

We once again run for 200 plus yards. Give up less than 20 points but yes please tell me everything that’s wrong here.

The same ugly win we had in London just beat Dallas.

You either win these games or you don’t. Bad teams lose them. Good teams win them.
Are people going to complain  
thefan : 11/13/2022 8:43 pm : link
If we beat Detroit by 3 next week?
RE: Are people going to complain  
Semipro Lineman : 11/13/2022 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15906071 thefan said:
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If we beat Detroit by 3 next week?

Yes, next question
RE: Once again many on BBI are being ridiculous  
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15906059 djm said:
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The same posters that had this team winning less than 7 games now can’t wait to explain why the team still isn’t good, and I love the sneaky ways some find ways to disparage Daniel jones and the passing game.

We once again run for 200 plus yards. Give up less than 20 points but yes please tell me everything that’s wrong here.

The same ugly win we had in London just beat Dallas.

You either win these games or you don’t. Bad teams lose them. Good teams win them.

You forgot to add “Barkley sucks” and “Jones is not a NFL starter” to this list
The goal was simple  
djm : 11/13/2022 9:04 pm : link
The giants needed to find an identity and develop star power this season. It’s happening in spades. Everything we could have hoped for this year is actually happening. Now we need to make the playoffs. This franchise needs to get used to winning again and cultivate players that know how to win. Then they need to keep the core together.

You could not have drawn this up any better, first 9 games. From the qb (yes the qb) all the way down to the 3rd corner and everything in between. The plan is working. If you thought these games would be 14 pt cake walks every week I don’t know what to tell you but that wasn’t realistic. Not even sure hoping for 7-2 was, but here we are, a lot of money in the bank and we have outs.

Rome wasn’t built in a day, but we’re building something. You have to be giddy right now if you’re an NYG fan. Not delusional, just thrilled where we are and what the future looks like.
RE: RE: Once again many on BBI are being ridiculous  
djm : 11/13/2022 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15906104 ryanmkeane said:
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The same posters that had this team winning less than 7 games now can’t wait to explain why the team still isn’t good, and I love the sneaky ways some find ways to disparage Daniel jones and the passing game.

We once again run for 200 plus yards. Give up less than 20 points but yes please tell me everything that’s wrong here.

The same ugly win we had in London just beat Dallas.

You either win these games or you don’t. Bad teams lose them. Good teams win them.


You forgot to add “Barkley sucks” and “Jones is not a NFL starter” to this list


I know, but I don’t want to stir any shit up. I kinda wish I could take that post back as it wasn’t really necessary. But it’s hard not to get defensive when we watched this franchise lose dozens and dozens of games since 16 only to now see people throw these good moments back as if they aren’t sustainable.

If you picked them to go 5-12 and now need to find / post excuses as to why they are good, I don’t know, seems like wasted energy to me.
Its simple why some are here complaining after victories  
BigBlue565358 : 11/13/2022 9:07 pm : link
they said the team would win only 3-4 games, Jones sucks, and they should have traded Barkley at the draft because he is toast

All of it was very wrong, and they cant handle it or admit they were wrong

So they have to try disparage a 7-2 team

RE: Its simple why some are here complaining after victories  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 9:10 pm : link
In comment 15906113 BigBlue565358 said:
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they said the team would win only 3-4 games, Jones sucks, and they should have traded Barkley at the draft because he is toast

All of it was very wrong, and they cant handle it or admit they were wrong

So they have to try disparage a 7-2 team


There were a lot of people who think Jones are good that were doing a lot of complaining today too, let’s be fair.
And again  
djm : 11/13/2022 9:10 pm : link
Teams that run the ball for 200 yards per game WIN a lot of games. Go look up the numbers if you don’t believe this is real. We’re running the ball thx to a stud left tackle and stud rb and very good running qb. That my friends is sustainable.
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speedywheels : 11/13/2022 9:19 pm : link
In comment 15906116 ajr2456 said:
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they said the team would win only 3-4 games, Jones sucks, and they should have traded Barkley at the draft because he is toast

All of it was very wrong, and they cant handle it or admit they were wrong

So they have to try disparage a 7-2 team




There were a lot of people who think Jones are good that were doing a lot of complaining today too, let’s be fair.


And yet some of the most critical of him are conspicuously absent ( including one who is Usually on game threads).

🤔
RE: And again  
ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 9:23 pm : link
In comment 15906117 djm said:
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Teams that run the ball for 200 yards per game WIN a lot of games. Go look up the numbers if you don’t believe this is real. We’re running the ball thx to a stud left tackle and stud rb and very good running qb. That my friends is sustainable.


That number alone doesn’t say much, since it’s heavily skewed due to game script.

What’s unsustainable is passing under 200 yards per game, the league average winning percentage when passing for under 200 yards since 2011 is 46%. I’d be curious to know what the winning percentage is for teams that rush for 200 yards and throw for under 200 yards.

Now there’s nothing the Giants are able to do about it this year, but it’s definitely going to be the first thing they look to address this offseason. This team is going to throw the ball a lot more next year, and I think ideally the staff would be throwing more than they run.
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djm : 11/13/2022 9:54 pm : link
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Teams that run the ball for 200 yards per game WIN a lot of games. Go look up the numbers if you don’t believe this is real. We’re running the ball thx to a stud left tackle and stud rb and very good running qb. That my friends is sustainable.



That number alone doesn’t say much, since it’s heavily skewed due to game script.

What’s unsustainable is passing under 200 yards per game, the league average winning percentage when passing for under 200 yards since 2011 is 46%. I’d be curious to know what the winning percentage is for teams that rush for 200 yards and throw for under 200 yards.

Now there’s nothing the Giants are able to do about it this year, but it’s definitely going to be the first thing they look to address this offseason. This team is going to throw the ball a lot more next year, and I think ideally the staff would be throwing more than they run.


No arguments from me the passing game needs help. Eventually you will need balance and elite passing game specs to win titles. Like I said (here or another thread) Rome wasn’t built in a day. It’s just nice to see more and more players emerge along with an identity. We’re finally great at something.
Go get beckham  
djm : 11/13/2022 9:55 pm : link
And at least field good possession wrs. Beckham would attract and draw attention.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/13/2022 9:56 pm : link
To me it seems like Golladay is totally checked out. He’s pretty quiet to begin with but jesus it seems like he’d basically rather be doing anything else. Shows no life, no skill, and lifeless in the locker room post game. Dude is a complete drag.
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ajr2456 : 11/13/2022 10:00 pm : link
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No arguments from me the passing game needs help. Eventually you will need balance and elite passing game specs to win titles. Like I said (here or another thread) Rome wasn’t built in a day. It’s just nice to see more and more players emerge along with an identity. We’re finally great at something.


Which is why I don’t get the heat Kafka is getting. We know what this offense is going to have to be, why are people shocked? If the defense doesn’t get those turnovers in the red zone, they’d likely open the passing game up more but they never really had to.
RE: Go get beckham  
Payasdaddy : 11/13/2022 10:05 pm : link
In comment 15906183 djm said:
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And at least field good possession wrs. Beckham would attract and draw attention.


Is there anyway we can afford Odell?
I would make the move, obviously back load the contract. But who could we extend now to fit him in.
Can’t believe I am saying this but I think he has grown up
And it’s a perfect opportunity for him plus a bit of redemption
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