Was starting to say some not very nice things about the Giants win today when — first — Phil Simms and then Bill Cowher cut him off. Cowher went so far as to say that some of his early Steelers teams won just like this… run the ball, don’t make mistakes, win the turnover battle. Boomer was definitely eating humble pie after that.
Was starting to say some not very nice things about the Giants win today when — first — Phil Simms and then Bill Cowher cut him off. Cowher went so far as to say that some of his early Steelers teams won just like this… run the ball, don’t make mistakes, win the turnover battle. Boomer was definitely eating humble pie after that.
Good to hear that. Boomer seems to resent the Giants
Teams that run the ball for 200 yards per game WIN a lot of games. Go look up the numbers if you don’t believe this is real. We’re running the ball thx to a stud left tackle and stud rb and very good running qb. That my friends is sustainable.
That number alone doesn’t say much, since it’s heavily skewed due to game script.
What’s unsustainable is passing under 200 yards per game, the league average winning percentage when passing for under 200 yards since 2011 is 46%. I’d be curious to know what the winning percentage is for teams that rush for 200 yards and throw for under 200 yards.
Now there’s nothing the Giants are able to do about it this year, but it’s definitely going to be the first thing they look to address this offseason. This team is going to throw the ball a lot more next year, and I think ideally the staff would be throwing more than they run.
He would have had 230+ if golladay remebered how to catch the ball.
they said the team would win only 3-4 games, Jones sucks, and they should have traded Barkley at the draft because he is toast
All of it was very wrong, and they cant handle it or admit they were wrong
So they have to try disparage a 7-2 team
You registered this month yet you know the history here of what people were saying months agoi. OK then.
Firstly not all of thoise are true. Barkley I'll admit is a keeper when he looked washed. Jones still looks like he can't throw for 300 yards and, I saiud this before and I'll keep saying it: there has not been one player -- ina any sport -- that more people are rooting for despite being the most mediocre MFer in all NY Sports franching. Not even Charles Oakley, Pat Ewing and those guys were actually good.\\If this team were really that good and not feasting on bottom feeders they'll be playing at Sunday night time spot.
Was starting to say some not very nice things about the Giants win today when — first — Phil Simms and then Bill Cowher cut him off. Cowher went so far as to say that some of his early Steelers teams won just like this… run the ball, don’t make mistakes, win the turnover battle. Boomer was definitely eating humble pie after that.
Good to hear that. Boomer seems to resent the Giants
I dont understand this. Everytime I hear him on the fan he is always defending Jones. Maybe it is a national thing the producers want?
Why be antagonistic? You are a good poster but you predict a loss every week. You predicted this team to win 3-4 wins. You said this would be a 3-4 YEAR rebuild. Yet, the Giants are 7-2.
I re-read this post and my apologies. I can see where you think it's "antagonistic," and I should have been clearer when I said "two evenly matched teams." I meant that in the context of the actual game that was played on Sunday, not my belief that a 1-6 Texas team is as good as / no different than the Giants.
But fair is fair, and I call it as I see it... that game was a closely fought one. And, if Texas doesn't turn the ball over, and if they don't have a TD pass called back due to holding (which was a legitimate call), then maybe we wake up this morning with the Giants 6-3.
As for my predictions about the Giants, I have been wrong about several outcomes, starting with my belief that this was a 5-6 win team max before the season started. 7 wins at this stage is amazing and has brought joy to all BBIers. We can now watch relevant football games in November/December!
I posted somewhere that, if the Giants -- who are missing several key starters -- can come out of the break and beat Houston... they would make the playoffs! I stand by that statement, but it is going to be very tough sledding ahead. There is no margin of error for this team. I believe they can now win 10 games, which should be enough for post-season play.
But I believe there is a caveat. This team is missing its #1 TE, its #1 RT and its #1 FS. And the team is skating on very thin ice with 2 great DTs and very little behind them, and a wide receiver group that has already broken through the ice. There are no guaranteed wins down the road for this team. Most likely every game here on in will be a struggle and a nail-biter.
to get a good feel for a game after the fact. They did what they needed to do to get the W. That’s all that matters. However, it was interesting that I thought this was the first time I saw this HC and OC coached not to lose. The game plan being run heavy wasn’t surprising, but it was sooo vanilla. And we didn’t see much of Jones running outside of scrambles. Defense seemed like they took their foot off of the pedal late in the second half, even with those turnovers.
The people who tried make Kenny Golladay’s return a thing weren’t serious. He’s cooked physically and mentally.
Big Dexy was the best player on the field yesterday. He looks like he deserves All Pro votes. LW was excellent too.
Slayton keeps making plays. Since none of these TEs can block, might as well play the fastest guy in Cager.
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Jones haters use ifs/almosts all the time - “Jones almost had two INT’s” - so it’s fair to use them to describe the other way as well.
Especially on a brutal drop like KG had. It was a perfect throw…
I’ll stop using ifs when they do.
Cool story but that has nothing to with the conversation that they’re averaging 180 passing yards for the year, and that they’ll be passing a lot more next year.
Some of you seem very upset there isn’t more criticism of Jones.
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Jones haters use ifs/almosts all the time - “Jones almost had two INT’s” - so it’s fair to use them to describe the other way as well.
Especially on a brutal drop like KG had. It was a perfect throw…
I’ll stop using ifs when they do.
Cool story but that has nothing to with the conversation that they’re averaging 180 passing yards for the year, and that they’ll be passing a lot more next year.
Some of you seem very upset there isn’t more criticism of Jones.
So you want them to pass a lot more at the expense of Barkley? And what if they are still consistently winning? You want them to ditch whats working just to throw more?
The only way they will be passing more is if Barkley is hurt or they are trailing a lot in games.
You literally have zero reading comprehension skills.
Point to where I said that. I’ve said repeatedly the game plan and okay calling was fine, and they had no reason to pass. The conversation with DJM was about what is sustainable going forward, and that Giants will be passing the ball more NEXT year.
RE: You literally have zero reading comprehension skills.
Point to where I said that. I’ve said repeatedly the game plan and okay calling was fine, and they had no reason to pass. The conversation with DJM was about what is sustainable going forward, and that Giants will be passing the ball more NEXT year.
Yeah that was my point. Thought it was understood. Ill slow it down for you a little bit.
Passing the ball means more points and quicker drives. When the offense is better next year they can pass it 30 times a game and still give Barkley 25+ carries. The top teams run over 60 plays a game, Philly runs 67 and is averaging 35 runs a game.
Passing the ball means more points and quicker drives. When the offense is better next year they can pass it 30 times a game and still give Barkley 25+ carries. The top teams run over 60 plays a game, Philly runs 67 and is averaging 35 runs a game.
One of the reasons why the defense has excelled this year is because how well they have been rested. The Giants are 4th in the NFL in TOP of this year. They have averaged having the ball nearly 4 minutes longer than the last decade combined. So quicker drives will actually hurt the defense. And you cant assume it is going to lead to more points. It may. It also may lead to more 3 and outs and more possessions for the other team.
And using Philly as an example is poor because they have a top 5ish TE and Brown/Smith - so again - if we are going to completely rehaul the passing attack with new WRs and TEs (which we may) - the assumptions of just throwing the ball and it will lead us to more points and success is just assuming - no guarantees.
The Titans threw the ball 31 times and Henry ran it 27 times
A game last year. Philly runs that amount of plays and is still first in time of possession. They’re not going to not try be a more prolific offense to “keep the defense rested” especially when their is little correlation to plays run and time of possession. Half the top ten in plays run are in the top half of the league in time of possession, and half aren’t.
The Giants will be passing the ball more next year. And Saqoun is averaging 22 carries a game this year, so not sure why they’d have to go below that to pass the ball more.
A game last year. Philly runs that amount of plays and is still first in time of possession. They’re not going to not try be a more prolific offense to “keep the defense rested” especially when their is little correlation to plays run and time of possession. Half the top ten in plays run are in the top half of the league in time of possession, and half aren’t.
The Giants will be passing the ball more next year. And Saqoun is averaging 22 carries a game this year, so not sure why they’d have to go below that to pass the ball more.
In 6 of the Giants 9 games this season, and the 4 games prior to Houston, Jones threw the ball between 25-31 times. So the Giants are doing this same offense now, not next year. Jones is playing a lot like Tannehill frankly
RE: RE: The Titans threw the ball 31 times and Henry ran it 27 times
A game last year. Philly runs that amount of plays and is still first in time of possession. They’re not going to not try be a more prolific offense to “keep the defense rested” especially when their is little correlation to plays run and time of possession. Half the top ten in plays run are in the top half of the league in time of possession, and half aren’t.
The Giants will be passing the ball more next year. And Saqoun is averaging 22 carries a game this year, so not sure why they’d have to go below that to pass the ball more.
In 6 of the Giants 9 games this season, and the 4 games prior to Houston, Jones threw the ball between 25-31 times. So the Giants are doing this same offense now, not next year. Jones is playing a lot like Tannehill frankly
Yeah thats why I dont get the phrase "a lot more". I mean we are not going to be throwing it 35-40 times a game with Barkley on this team. The run game and the defense are clearly the strengths of the team - I dont see why deviating from that plan is a sure thing.
The defense is 15th in YPG, 27th in YPP, but is 8th in point against. They’ve also performed extremely well in the redzone, being 3rd in TDS allowed while being 15th in plays run in the redzone.
That doesn’t show a defense that is playing well because they’re well rested, it looks like one that’s giving up yards but coming up with timely plays to keep the team in the game.
First off, we need a new number 1 or 2 to even consider it. So lets look at what teams like Buffalo, Philly, Arizona and other teams have done - trade for a stud WR. Who would be available due to contract being up or team looking to start over...
Indy - Michael Pittman?
Carolina - DJ Moore?
Saints - Michael Thomas? (huge risk factor)
Seattle - Metcalf (not sure with team success this year)
Denver - Jeudy? (Always banged up)
Washington - McLaurein (wont be traded within the division)
SO lets say we did trade for one of these WRs and with our first pick - we drafted a WR - then yes - I would agree with Ajr, we will see more passing and bigger plays.
But to make it seem like this is a given - seems a little far fetched to me.
That doesn’t show a defense that is playing well because they’re well rested, it looks like one that’s giving up yards but coming up with timely plays to keep the team in the game.
Differences aside, I will disagree with this point because of the amount of snaps Leo and Dexter play. The way they play in the 4th and the amount of plays they actually play in - I think the extra time is very beneficial to them.
It’s a given the Giants won’t be rolling out the same WR group next
That doesn’t show a defense that is playing well because they’re well rested, it looks like one that’s giving up yards but coming up with timely plays to keep the team in the game.
Differences aside, I will disagree with this point because of the amount of snaps Leo and Dexter play. The way they play in the 4th and the amount of plays they actually play in - I think the extra time is very beneficial to them.
They’re both in the top 25 of DL in snaps per game.
Was starting to say some not very nice things about the Giants win today when — first — Phil Simms and then Bill Cowher cut him off. Cowher went so far as to say that some of his early Steelers teams won just like this… run the ball, don’t make mistakes, win the turnover battle. Boomer was definitely eating humble pie after that.
Was starting to say some not very nice things about the Giants win today when — first — Phil Simms and then Bill Cowher cut him off. Cowher went so far as to say that some of his early Steelers teams won just like this… run the ball, don’t make mistakes, win the turnover battle. Boomer was definitely eating humble pie after that.
Good to hear that. Boomer seems to resent the Giants
Big splash plays leads to the defense being on the field more. We have won a lot of 4th quarters with a fresh defense.
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Teams that run the ball for 200 yards per game WIN a lot of games. Go look up the numbers if you don’t believe this is real. We’re running the ball thx to a stud left tackle and stud rb and very good running qb. That my friends is sustainable.
That number alone doesn’t say much, since it’s heavily skewed due to game script.
What’s unsustainable is passing under 200 yards per game, the league average winning percentage when passing for under 200 yards since 2011 is 46%. I’d be curious to know what the winning percentage is for teams that rush for 200 yards and throw for under 200 yards.
Now there’s nothing the Giants are able to do about it this year, but it’s definitely going to be the first thing they look to address this offseason. This team is going to throw the ball a lot more next year, and I think ideally the staff would be throwing more than they run.
He would have had 230+ if golladay remebered how to catch the ball.
Not having McKinney is really going to hurt against Dallas and their wide receivers
He would have had 230+ if golladay remebered how to catch the ball.
Or he could have had 90 if Slayton gets tackled right away. Ifs don’t count.
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He would have had 230+ if golladay remebered how to catch the ball.
Or he could have had 90 if Slayton gets tackled right away. Ifs don’t count.
Never misses a chance to knock Jones - do you?
All of it was very wrong, and they cant handle it or admit they were wrong
So they have to try disparage a 7-2 team
You registered this month yet you know the history here of what people were saying months agoi. OK then.
Firstly not all of thoise are true. Barkley I'll admit is a keeper when he looked washed. Jones still looks like he can't throw for 300 yards and, I saiud this before and I'll keep saying it: there has not been one player -- ina any sport -- that more people are rooting for despite being the most mediocre MFer in all NY Sports franching. Not even Charles Oakley, Pat Ewing and those guys were actually good.\\If this team were really that good and not feasting on bottom feeders they'll be playing at Sunday night time spot.
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Was starting to say some not very nice things about the Giants win today when — first — Phil Simms and then Bill Cowher cut him off. Cowher went so far as to say that some of his early Steelers teams won just like this… run the ball, don’t make mistakes, win the turnover battle. Boomer was definitely eating humble pie after that.
Good to hear that. Boomer seems to resent the Giants
I dont understand this. Everytime I hear him on the fan he is always defending Jones. Maybe it is a national thing the producers want?
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Giants came away with a win.
Put it in the bank.
7-2.
The re-build is still in it’s very early stages.
Why be antagonistic? You are a good poster but you predict a loss every week. You predicted this team to win 3-4 wins. You said this would be a 3-4 YEAR rebuild. Yet, the Giants are 7-2.
I re-read this post and my apologies. I can see where you think it's "antagonistic," and I should have been clearer when I said "two evenly matched teams." I meant that in the context of the actual game that was played on Sunday, not my belief that a 1-6 Texas team is as good as / no different than the Giants.
But fair is fair, and I call it as I see it... that game was a closely fought one. And, if Texas doesn't turn the ball over, and if they don't have a TD pass called back due to holding (which was a legitimate call), then maybe we wake up this morning with the Giants 6-3.
As for my predictions about the Giants, I have been wrong about several outcomes, starting with my belief that this was a 5-6 win team max before the season started. 7 wins at this stage is amazing and has brought joy to all BBIers. We can now watch relevant football games in November/December!
I posted somewhere that, if the Giants -- who are missing several key starters -- can come out of the break and beat Houston... they would make the playoffs! I stand by that statement, but it is going to be very tough sledding ahead. There is no margin of error for this team. I believe they can now win 10 games, which should be enough for post-season play.
But I believe there is a caveat. This team is missing its #1 TE, its #1 RT and its #1 FS. And the team is skating on very thin ice with 2 great DTs and very little behind them, and a wide receiver group that has already broken through the ice. There are no guaranteed wins down the road for this team. Most likely every game here on in will be a struggle and a nail-biter.
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He would have had 230+ if golladay remebered how to catch the ball.
Or he could have had 90 if Slayton gets tackled right away. Ifs don’t count.
Never misses a chance to knock Jones - do you?
How is that a knock, dupe?
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He would have had 230+ if golladay remebered how to catch the ball.
Or he could have had 90 if Slayton gets tackled right away. Ifs don’t count.
Jones haters use ifs/almosts all the time - “Jones almost had two INT’s” - so it’s fair to use them to describe the other way as well.
Especially on a brutal drop like KG had. It was a perfect throw…
I’ll stop using ifs when they do.
The people who tried make Kenny Golladay’s return a thing weren’t serious. He’s cooked physically and mentally.
Big Dexy was the best player on the field yesterday. He looks like he deserves All Pro votes. LW was excellent too.
Slayton keeps making plays. Since none of these TEs can block, might as well play the fastest guy in Cager.
Jones haters use ifs/almosts all the time - “Jones almost had two INT’s” - so it’s fair to use them to describe the other way as well.
Especially on a brutal drop like KG had. It was a perfect throw…
I’ll stop using ifs when they do.
Cool story but that has nothing to with the conversation that they’re averaging 180 passing yards for the year, and that they’ll be passing a lot more next year.
Some of you seem very upset there isn’t more criticism of Jones.
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Jones haters use ifs/almosts all the time - “Jones almost had two INT’s” - so it’s fair to use them to describe the other way as well.
Especially on a brutal drop like KG had. It was a perfect throw…
I’ll stop using ifs when they do.
Cool story but that has nothing to with the conversation that they’re averaging 180 passing yards for the year, and that they’ll be passing a lot more next year.
Some of you seem very upset there isn’t more criticism of Jones.
So you want them to pass a lot more at the expense of Barkley? And what if they are still consistently winning? You want them to ditch whats working just to throw more?
The only way they will be passing more is if Barkley is hurt or they are trailing a lot in games.
Yeah that was my point. Thought it was understood. Ill slow it down for you a little bit.
Throwing it more NEXT YEAR means less Barkley.
One of the reasons why the defense has excelled this year is because how well they have been rested. The Giants are 4th in the NFL in TOP of this year. They have averaged having the ball nearly 4 minutes longer than the last decade combined. So quicker drives will actually hurt the defense. And you cant assume it is going to lead to more points. It may. It also may lead to more 3 and outs and more possessions for the other team.
And using Philly as an example is poor because they have a top 5ish TE and Brown/Smith - so again - if we are going to completely rehaul the passing attack with new WRs and TEs (which we may) - the assumptions of just throwing the ball and it will lead us to more points and success is just assuming - no guarantees.
The Giants will be passing the ball more next year. And Saqoun is averaging 22 carries a game this year, so not sure why they’d have to go below that to pass the ball more.
The Giants will be passing the ball more next year. And Saqoun is averaging 22 carries a game this year, so not sure why they’d have to go below that to pass the ball more.
In 6 of the Giants 9 games this season, and the 4 games prior to Houston, Jones threw the ball between 25-31 times. So the Giants are doing this same offense now, not next year. Jones is playing a lot like Tannehill frankly
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A game last year. Philly runs that amount of plays and is still first in time of possession. They’re not going to not try be a more prolific offense to “keep the defense rested” especially when their is little correlation to plays run and time of possession. Half the top ten in plays run are in the top half of the league in time of possession, and half aren’t.
The Giants will be passing the ball more next year. And Saqoun is averaging 22 carries a game this year, so not sure why they’d have to go below that to pass the ball more.
In 6 of the Giants 9 games this season, and the 4 games prior to Houston, Jones threw the ball between 25-31 times. So the Giants are doing this same offense now, not next year. Jones is playing a lot like Tannehill frankly
Yeah thats why I dont get the phrase "a lot more". I mean we are not going to be throwing it 35-40 times a game with Barkley on this team. The run game and the defense are clearly the strengths of the team - I dont see why deviating from that plan is a sure thing.
That doesn’t show a defense that is playing well because they’re well rested, it looks like one that’s giving up yards but coming up with timely plays to keep the team in the game.
First off, we need a new number 1 or 2 to even consider it. So lets look at what teams like Buffalo, Philly, Arizona and other teams have done - trade for a stud WR. Who would be available due to contract being up or team looking to start over...
Indy - Michael Pittman?
Carolina - DJ Moore?
Saints - Michael Thomas? (huge risk factor)
Seattle - Metcalf (not sure with team success this year)
Denver - Jeudy? (Always banged up)
Washington - McLaurein (wont be traded within the division)
SO lets say we did trade for one of these WRs and with our first pick - we drafted a WR - then yes - I would agree with Ajr, we will see more passing and bigger plays.
But to make it seem like this is a given - seems a little far fetched to me.
That doesn’t show a defense that is playing well because they’re well rested, it looks like one that’s giving up yards but coming up with timely plays to keep the team in the game.
Differences aside, I will disagree with this point because of the amount of snaps Leo and Dexter play. The way they play in the 4th and the amount of plays they actually play in - I think the extra time is very beneficial to them.
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That doesn’t show a defense that is playing well because they’re well rested, it looks like one that’s giving up yards but coming up with timely plays to keep the team in the game.
Differences aside, I will disagree with this point because of the amount of snaps Leo and Dexter play. The way they play in the 4th and the amount of plays they actually play in - I think the extra time is very beneficial to them.
They’re both in the top 25 of DL in snaps per game.