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Daniel Jones now 8th in NFL in QBR

ryanmkeane : 11/14/2022 8:46 am
Here are some QBs ranked below Jones at this point in the season: Burrow, Herbert, Brady, Lawrence, Cousins, Stafford, Murray, Rodgers, Wilson.

He has the least amount of INTs among eligible QBs.

Anyone want to scout some college QBs today?
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If Schoen and Daboll aren't sold on Jones  
UConn4523 : 11/14/2022 3:06 pm : link
than I don't care at all if he lands in Washington. You've seen him play tons of games now, do you not think he's beatable?
RE: gratefulhead  
Thegratefulhead : 11/14/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15907249 Mike from Ohio said:
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Are you one of those guys who think Joe Namath was a better QB than Dan Marino because one of them won a superbowl and the other didn't?
Marino is the best pure passer I ever saw. He is very far down on my list of great QBs. Still great, still a Hall of famer. I do like the ones that won when it mattered most more.
Just a BBI...  
bw in dc : 11/14/2022 3:11 pm : link
Public Service Announcement. When you click on "reply", you don't have to include the entire message of that poster. You can actually delete as much of the content as you want. This would help to make it much easier for everyone to read threads, especially those with a lot of posts to sift through.
RE: Shouldnt all members here  
Ron Johnson : 11/14/2022 3:12 pm : link
In comment 15907303 GNewGiants said:
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be fanboys of Jones? That means we are rooting for him to do well. I guess I am a fanboy of Love, Lwrence, Thibs, Bellinger, Glowinski, Thomas, Slayton, Gollladay since I root for them to do well.

Are you saying you want Jones to fail and not root for him? Seems like a very odd thing to say as a Giants fan.



Definitely odd. Check out the game thread. there's an 45 minute long argument about whether the first pass to Golladay was a "drop" or not.
RE: Shouldnt all members here  
GMen72 : 11/14/2022 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15907303 GNewGiants said:
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be fanboys of Jones? That means we are rooting for him to do well. I guess I am a fanboy of Love, Lwrence, Thibs, Bellinger, Glowinski, Thomas, Slayton, Gollladay since I root for them to do well.

Are you saying you want Jones to fail and not root for him? Seems like a very odd thing to say as a Giants fan.


I'm on record...I hope the Giants move on from Jones this offseason. However, I'm rooting for the guy (and team) every week and have for 40ish years.

The "fanboys" are the fans that need DJ to be good, so they'll look past stats and make points based on silliness. They want to act like DJ isn't a dink and dunk game manager...except that DJ is 40th this year in air yards per attempt. They want to give DJ credit for all the wins...the Giants are 29th in passing offense and DJ has 8 passing TDs in 9 games. He throws a 3 yard pass and Slayton runs 51 yards for a TD...and it's a great play by Jones because he backpedaled? Stop! Just stop!

I like DJ..but he's not a franchise QB and he's definitely not worth $30+ million per year. He's tough, he's likeable...but he's a game manager.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I find it hysterical  
Thegratefulhead : 11/14/2022 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15907087 Gatorade Dunk said:
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That people think the coaches, GM and players care more about advanced passing stats than wins. It is really a foolish take and the motivation for it considering the context of the last few years of posting from certain members, it is obvious why.


I find it hysterical that fans think coaches and GMs simplify their QB evaluation to the point where team wins are even remotely close to the most important factor for any individual player.

It's fine if fans want to take such a simplistic approach to say that they don't want to fix what appears to be unbroken, but the coaches and front office executives are privy to what factors they're handcuffing themselves with in order to keep that scenario unbroken in the first place.

The short version is that I feel very confident in saying that the team's W/L record may help DJ's cause in his contract negotiations but will be far from the top factor the team considers when they are faced with a long view of their future at the QB position, especially when they are winning in a way that asks relatively little of the QB, compared to the offensive schemes with which our offensive coaches share their pedigree (Buffalo and Kansas City, most notably).

I feel confident that by far, the most meaningful stat to all of ownership, management and players is wins. So we disagree on a profound level on this topic. Not a lot reason for us to unpack it.


Fair enough. Let me know how you think they should valuate DJ for his next contract with the approach you have in mind.

He already beat Rodgers H2H, so if the Giants also finish the season with more wins than Green Bay, is it safe to say you'd endorse $50M+ AAV for DJ since he'd have better numbers in your only valuable metric?
Strawman brother. I would use everything in my arsenal as a GM to keep that next contract closer to 30-35m per.

IF...

IF, he doesn't get injured and finishes the year strong. The rest of the games matter too. I want the entire body of work in 2022 to make a decision. It is looking good so far though.

I would site past poor play and injuries to get a better deal. Negotiating NFL contracts is big boy business.
RE: It’s the same argument every time  
djm : 11/14/2022 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15906528 Dukie Dimes said:
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WRs - well below average
Rushing (RBs/QB) - way above average
OL - MUCH, MUCH better at run blocking than pass blocking
And they play/will play in cold weather

Why is it so hard to understand that the game plan should revolve around running the ball? I don’t understand why people can’t comprehend that. Stop comparing this team to other NFL teams and using the words “not sustainable.” They are 7-2. Obviously it is.

Jones will never throw for 300+ yards and 3 TDs when he has 20 passing attempts per game. It’s just not going to happen. No QB would. Brady, who leads the league, has almost double the attempts that Jones has.

Meanwhile, he is doing everything necessary to win games for the giants.

I’ll never understand the people on here.


The same fucking experts here that nitpicked and booed Phil Simms....yea THAT QB. That same QB who now doesn't have to buy a drink in this town because he's so beloved. HE wasn't always beloved. But many fans are dumb.


Exhausting.

Daniel Jones is playing well. Get that? Thanks.
RE: RE: It’s the same argument every time  
Thegratefulhead : 11/14/2022 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15907377 djm said:
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WRs - well below average
Rushing (RBs/QB) - way above average
OL - MUCH, MUCH better at run blocking than pass blocking
And they play/will play in cold weather

Why is it so hard to understand that the game plan should revolve around running the ball? I don’t understand why people can’t comprehend that. Stop comparing this team to other NFL teams and using the words “not sustainable.” They are 7-2. Obviously it is.

Jones will never throw for 300+ yards and 3 TDs when he has 20 passing attempts per game. It’s just not going to happen. No QB would. Brady, who leads the league, has almost double the attempts that Jones has.

Meanwhile, he is doing everything necessary to win games for the giants.

I’ll never understand the people on here.



The same fucking experts here that nitpicked and booed Phil Simms....yea THAT QB. That same QB who now doesn't have to buy a drink in this town because he's so beloved. HE wasn't always beloved. But many fans are dumb.


Exhausting.

Daniel Jones is playing well. Get that? Thanks.
Solid
RE: The Giants aren’t going to shell out a multi year deal  
djm : 11/14/2022 3:39 pm : link
In comment 15907089 ajr2456 said:
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On the idea he might be better than Cousins with better receivers. That’s the point being made by many.


Do you truly and honestly think the GIants are a better team right now if Cousins is here instead of Daniel Jones?

Really think that one through. Take your time. Envision Cousins here throwing to Crosby, Stills and Nash and it's 3rd and 8--4th quarter, and the pocket collapses while those WRs aren't getting open...what does Cousins do that DJ hasn't been able to do?

We aren't better with Cousins. I'd bet my life on it and I have always defended Cousins this year and the last 4-5 years. HE's a solid to very solid QB. Maybe even better than that. He's in the same system now and has an insanely good arsenal of talent. Gee, you think Cousins wouldn't be the same player here that he is in Minny right now? Cmon already.
and before you laugh me off this thread  
djm : 11/14/2022 3:41 pm : link
don't make me conjure up the multitude of Cousins is overrated posts over the last 3-4 years with me all over those threads saying the Skins would regret losing him and he's better than people want to admit. HE's a 4th round pick who made good. HE's earned every bit of accolades this year and if any QB / team was to win the super bowl this year that isn't NYG, I hope it's Minny. But he's not elevating this offense more than DJ is this season. No fucking way in hell.
simple question for the QB experts here  
djm : 11/14/2022 3:47 pm : link
how many TDs and yards should a good to very good QB have if he has very very bad WRs and TEs? OK he's got the running game, not to be understated, that's why it's fair to judge him on wins and losses (HELLO 7-2!!) but if the WRs/TEs are below average, what's the line of demarcation? 24 total TDs? 30? How many total yards and are we allowed to adjust for context like we did in the 80s with MR Simms?


Tell me, what's the # that gives you all the warm and fuzzies, even if it's a BS number that doesn't mean fuck all. And i'd love to know why you'd dump the guy over 1-2 statistical "failures"--it better be worth it. If you NEED 28 total tds and Jones only comes up with 25--um, you're really going to bitch and moan every day when he's signed and "overpaid" here? BEcause of a few TD passes that never happened?

Every metric says he's playing well. Even his FF stats are above average. But he's not doing enough I guess....because you can't win in this league without an insanely good passing game. Maybe we need WRs. And maybe we are winning anyway.
RE: RE: The Giants aren’t going to shell out a multi year deal  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15907386 djm said:
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On the idea he might be better than Cousins with better receivers. That’s the point being made by many.



Do you truly and honestly think the GIants are a better team right now if Cousins is here instead of Daniel Jones?

Really think that one through. Take your time. Envision Cousins here throwing to Crosby, Stills and Nash and it's 3rd and 8--4th quarter, and the pocket collapses while those WRs aren't getting open...what does Cousins do that DJ hasn't been able to do?

We aren't better with Cousins. I'd bet my life on it and I have always defended Cousins this year and the last 4-5 years. HE's a solid to very solid QB. Maybe even better than that. He's in the same system now and has an insanely good arsenal of talent. Gee, you think Cousins wouldn't be the same player here that he is in Minny right now? Cmon already.


I’d like you to point out where in that statement it says the Giants would be better off with Kirk Cousins.
i'l say it again  
djm : 11/14/2022 3:52 pm : link
the most important trait Jones needs to display the rest of the season is can he keep up this running and scrambling game of his and stay on the field. This is by FAR the most understated aspect of DJ's game the rest of the way. Terps said it, every now n then he is 100% on the mark and he is when he said DJ's best trait is his running ability. Not a knock, more a virtue, the guy is a game breaking runner. Can he do this week in week out ? Can he do it all season? He's on his way.

We KNOW he's accurate. We KNOW he can throw TDs. We KNOW he can run. Can he keep running ala Lamar Jackson (poor man version) and stay on the field?

PS We also KNOW the WR are well below avg. Slayton is a nice comeback story. He's upgradeable. Robinson nice looking rookie. The rest are replacement level. That means the position is in dire need of upgrades at 2-3 spots. Do you think DJ's numbers might look better with someone like Amari Coooper (prime) as his #1? Cmon.

Can he keep running and stay healthy and will he play well in December. That's what we're looking for and i'd bet thats what Schoen and Daboll are looking for.
RE: It's so freaking obvious that  
djm : 11/14/2022 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15906586 Kmed6000 said:
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the coaching staff doesn't trust Jones. They never go for it at the end of the half and they run an extremely conservative offense. Now part of that is definitely the WR's and OL, but part of it is also because they don't trust Jones.


You're pulling shit out of your ass dude.
RE: RE: Jones is playing well  
djm : 11/14/2022 4:04 pm : link
In comment 15906863 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Basically, the Giants are using him like the Titans have used Tannehill. Protect the ball, be efficient, hand off to a great RB.

At this point, I trust the guys running this team to decide if he's got another level they can get to with better players around him. If they bring him back, it's because they believe in them and who would I be to argue?

I wouldn't be afraid to move on from him either. You don't want your team's ceiling to be held back by the QB and if they decide he would be doing that, it's best to move on.

Either way, I'm enjoying how he's playing this year. He's been smart, tough and dependable and is one reason this team is winning games.


I think this is a great post, and I agree with putting faith in whichever way JS & BD decide to go at QB.


As do I. I think DJ has more skills than Tannehill but the point is fair.

What I can't accept is people saying the Giants are dumbing down the O because of Jones or Jones can't look off WRs or read a defense. Not sure where that take came from, oh wait, it came from here. Made up, but echo chamber does its thing.

Watch the games and rewind plays again and tell me DJ doesn't pass to the 2nd or 3rd read at times. Please do this.

last post  
djm : 11/14/2022 4:06 pm : link
he;'s playing well. HE's doing more with this offense than other QBs would do here. Not al of them, sure there are some that are better but Jones is a weapon that helps this offense. He's the 3rd best player on offense behind Barkley and Thomas. Give him a #1 WR and his numbers and points go up. And he's shown that he can win 4th quarters which is really the end all be all.

The Giants will do what's best for the team. Don't be shocked if DJ is under center this time next year.
some of you won't believe in DJ  
djm : 11/14/2022 4:09 pm : link
until he's doing historical shit in January. Kind of fair, I mean ELi went through it here. So did Simms. I just hate the easy takes that aren't really true or maybe were true 2 years ago.

This isn't 2020 anymore.
RE: RE: RE: NYG are and should be actively scouting college QBs  
mittenedman : 11/14/2022 5:10 pm : link
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Those who think otherwise don't know what they're watching.



They are scouting everyone. That’s their effing job. And they could realistically lose Jones now even if they want him back-so they damn well better. You’re saying the sky is blue. Congrats.



I'm saying believing Jones is the QB to lead NYG to SB wins will be proven off-target. I'm not remotely afraid to lose or replace Jones.


Talking out of your ass, with authority.
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Tim in Eternal Blue : 11/14/2022 5:11 pm : link
8th in QBR
Last in the league in INT’s thrown (amazing stat)
22nd in yards
24th in passing TD’s

I’d love to get those last 2 stats into the 11-15 ranked range.

Right now he’s on track for 3000 yards passing and 13 TD passes.
We're 7-2..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/14/2022 5:20 pm : link
Jones has layed well in several of the wins and yet some here are going to spend the majority of the week posting about inane Jones shit.

I really wish some of you can see how useless it is. It isn't "discussing football" as one of that group likes to brag about - it is just rehashing the same old shit for n end goal at all.

We'll hopefully be 8-2 and some of you schmucks will rinse and repeat and create several hundred posts a week about Jones again.

What a time suck that must be. But keep telling yourselves that you are "discussing football".
And of course  
mittenedman : 11/14/2022 5:21 pm : link
now people tripping over themselves trying to make the lack of extension meaningful.

Why is it so difficult to understand they want to see him play the whole season - including a playoff game - before they decide on compensation?
RE: We're 7-2..  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 5:25 pm : link
In comment 15907540 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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What a time suck that must be. But keep telling yourselves that you are "discussing football".


Sorry we upset you by discussing the potential contract of a player that plays for the Giants. Next time we’ll choose a topic that is acceptable to our overlord.
With this shit roster  
Carl in CT : 11/14/2022 5:30 pm : link
If we make a playoff game, the coaches should all be deemed coaches of the year, the ownership should be applauded for staying the fuck out of their business, every starter should be welcomed back or given a bonus, and 1/2 of BBI needs to enjoy it and shut the …. Up. It’s been awhile.
RE: We're 7-2..  
GNewGiants : 11/14/2022 5:30 pm : link
In comment 15907540 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Jones has layed well in several of the wins and yet some here are going to spend the majority of the week posting about inane Jones shit.

I really wish some of you can see how useless it is. It isn't "discussing football" as one of that group likes to brag about - it is just rehashing the same old shit for n end goal at all.

We'll hopefully be 8-2 and some of you schmucks will rinse and repeat and create several hundred posts a week about Jones again.

What a time suck that must be. But keep telling yourselves that you are "discussing football".


They’ve dug a hole so big - they’ll never get out of it - so they keep repeating the same thing over and over and over again.
RE: We're 7-2..  
Thegratefulhead : 11/14/2022 5:42 pm : link
In comment 15907540 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Jones has layed well in several of the wins and yet some here are going to spend the majority of the week posting about inane Jones shit.

I really wish some of you can see how useless it is. It isn't "discussing football" as one of that group likes to brag about - it is just rehashing the same old shit for n end goal at all.

We'll hopefully be 8-2 and some of you schmucks will rinse and repeat and create several hundred posts a week about Jones again.

What a time suck that must be. But keep telling yourselves that you are "discussing football".
Tiring.
Agreeing  
Thegratefulhead : 11/14/2022 5:43 pm : link
With FMiC, not that his post was tiring.
They’re so disillusioned  
giantBCP : 11/14/2022 5:43 pm : link
that they’ll blame Jones when he doesn’t sign for below market rate.
We Beat Dallas and Sweep Philly  
Thegratefulhead : 11/14/2022 5:51 pm : link
I really think that happens. I feel Dallas is going to implode. We are built for winter. Look at our remaining schedule, 14-3 or 13-4 is VERY possible. Destiny awaits.

This season has been unexpected and magnificent. I have not wasted a single moment worrying that if Jones plays well and the team wins many games, he gets another contract.

That Kirk Cousins contract isn't looking so bad for the Vikings today...

It is just a terrible take on the season, I feel bad for people.

Well, as ajr mentions above it’s the contract  
Sean : 11/14/2022 5:54 pm : link
I don’t see that topic as off limits. It’s a significant decision and is fascinating. Why wouldn’t that generate discussion?

From all accounts it looks like Schoen did not approach Jones about an extension during the bye, but he did for Barkley and Love.

This will continue to be debated until there is a resolution. He’s a free agent at the end of the season.
Nobody here is mad  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 5:55 pm : link
The Giants are winning. That’s a fantasy in your guys heads.
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ryanmkeane : 11/14/2022 5:57 pm : link
I remember the days when the Giants needed to lose so that they could draft Chase Young. That turned out pretty shitty for all those posters who were legitimately angry when we beat Miami and Washington two out of the last three weeks of the season. Turns out we ended up with one of the best left tackles, possibly the best left tackle right now in the NFL.

I remember when we needed to lose this year because it was clear that Tyrod was signed to be the "bridge" before we get "our QB" that Daboll and Schoen really love. When that didn't happen, the talk all year continued about scouting QBs because "we don't really know what Daboll and Schoen want, and they likely don't want Jones based on what they've shown us so far."

Then Schoen had like 4 interviews with various media outlets and talked positively about Jones being a core player. Funny how nobody mentioned that on this message board. Sort of slipped through the cracks I guess.

7-2. Enjoy it.
You seem to be enjoying it the least  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 5:58 pm : link
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RE: Nobody here is mad  
ryanmkeane : 11/14/2022 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15907578 ajr2456 said:
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The Giants are winning. That’s a fantasy in your guys heads.

Nope, wrong again. Plenty are. There are posters here who have said repeatedly that as long as Jones is the quarterback the Giants are stuck in neutral. Those posters have said repeatedly that they want another option, but the problem is that the Giants keep winning with Jones as the QB, so it makes them look like complete idiots and the goalposts continue to change week after week.
RE: You seem to be enjoying it the least  
ryanmkeane : 11/14/2022 5:59 pm : link
In comment 15907586 ajr2456 said:
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Nope, wrong again, I'm enjoying the hell out of the Giants as I always do.
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ryanmkeane : 11/14/2022 6:01 pm : link
i respect the hell out of Jon but he was banging the table for losses in 2019 in order to get Young and he's essentially saying that he doesn't think Jones is good without actually saying that. And he thinks the coaches aren't high on him. I guess we'll see if he ends up being correct about that one.
RE: RE: Nobody here is mad  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 6:01 pm : link
In comment 15907588 ryanmkeane said:
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The Giants are winning. That’s a fantasy in your guys heads.


Nope, wrong again. Plenty are. There are posters here who have said repeatedly that as long as Jones is the quarterback the Giants are stuck in neutral. Those posters have said repeatedly that they want another option, but the problem is that the Giants keep winning with Jones as the QB, so it makes them look like complete idiots and the goalposts continue to change week after week.


This doesn’t mean that they are mad the Giants are winning, multiple things are allowed to be true at the same time. You’re so entrenched in some revenge tour for all the times you were wrong you get riled up about fantasies you’ve created. It’s weird.
RE: 2022 Team Passing Offense, yards per game  
The Mike : 11/14/2022 6:21 pm : link
In comment 15906901 Producer said:
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1 Kansas City 313.9
2 Buffalo 294.2
3 Miami 293.8
4 Tampa Bay 269.8
5 LA Chargers 265.3
6 Cincinnati 263.0
7 Minnesota 248.8
8 Philadelphia 242.3
9 Detroit 241.4
10 New Orleans 237.7
11 San Francisco 236.3
12 Las Vegas 228.6
13 Seattle 227.8
14 Indianapolis 226.4
15 Denver 223.6
16 Green Bay 223.0
17 Jacksonville 222.6
18 Arizona 220.6
19 NY Jets 219.0
20 Cleveland 217.1
21 Washington 215.4
22 LA Rams 214.6
23 New England 202.7
24 Pittsburgh 199.4
24 Houston 199.4
26 Dallas 198.6
27 Baltimore 186.8
28 Carolina 176.2
29 NY Giants 161.0
30 Atlanta 156.8
31 Tennessee 148.2
32 Chicago 128.1 passing yards per game - ( New Window )


This is a chest pounding I told you so thread. Polluting it with facts and reality that refute the hyperbole will likely not go over well...
Who gives a flying  
mittenedman : 11/14/2022 6:33 pm : link
shit about passing yards? The football IQ on this site is at an all time low.
RE: Who gives a flying  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15907637 mittenedman said:
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shit about passing yards? The football IQ on this site is at an all time low.


The winning percentage over the last decade when passing for under 200 yards is 46%. It actually does matter. Right now the Giants are defying the norm.
RE: We're 7-2..  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/14/2022 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15907540 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Jones has layed well in several of the wins and yet some here are going to spend the majority of the week posting about inane Jones shit.

I really wish some of you can see how useless it is. It isn't "discussing football" as one of that group likes to brag about - it is just rehashing the same old shit for n end goal at all.

We'll hopefully be 8-2 and some of you schmucks will rinse and repeat and create several hundred posts a week about Jones again.

What a time suck that must be. But keep telling yourselves that you are "discussing football".

Is it irrelevant to discuss the potential contract value of an impending free agent?

I seem to remember you participating in quite a few of those conversations when it was Leonard Williams - why is it different to discuss the exact same topic when it's regarding Daniel Jones?

A simpleton might assume that it's because the current NFL QB market doesn't leave a lot of room to make a favorable case for DJ without also endorsing a very expensive contract.

And just a smidge beyond that simpleton's assumption, one might naively assume that the nuance of whether to use the franchise tag on Barkley and how it impacts DJ's contract negotiations (or vice versa) would require discussing how to keep both and at what contract value one of those two will get full price market rates and for how long.

Leave those hypothetical dummies out of the discussion. I think you just don't want to put your name on a number because barking down the entire discussion itself is an easier way to avoid being wrong.
RE: Who gives a flying  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/14/2022 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15907637 mittenedman said:
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shit about passing yards? The football IQ on this site is at an all time low.

With each and every thought you post, I agree with you on this.
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Gatorade Dunk : 11/14/2022 6:49 pm : link
In comment 15907533 Tim in Eternal Blue said:
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8th in QBR
Last in the league in INT’s thrown (amazing stat)
22nd in yards
24th in passing TD’s

I’d love to get those last 2 stats into the 11-15 ranked range.

Right now he’s on track for 3000 yards passing and 13 TD passes.

This is strictly my opinion, but I think that Daboll/Kafka's approach suggests that they're at least somewhat concerned that if they try to press on the accelerator for those second two stats too aggressively, they'd end up applying a more significantly negative impact to the first two stats.

Not necessarily a reflection on DJ when I say that, either. Simply an observation of the offense at large.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/14/2022 6:52 pm : link
I think DJ has had a good season. But then I look @ the contract #s people claim he might fetch & I go...'Eh. I don't know about that.'
RE: RE: 2022 Team Passing Offense, yards per game  
GNewGiants : 11/14/2022 6:52 pm : link
In comment 15907620 The Mike said:
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1 Kansas City 313.9
2 Buffalo 294.2
3 Miami 293.8
4 Tampa Bay 269.8
5 LA Chargers 265.3
6 Cincinnati 263.0
7 Minnesota 248.8
8 Philadelphia 242.3
9 Detroit 241.4
10 New Orleans 237.7
11 San Francisco 236.3
12 Las Vegas 228.6
13 Seattle 227.8
14 Indianapolis 226.4
15 Denver 223.6
16 Green Bay 223.0
17 Jacksonville 222.6
18 Arizona 220.6
19 NY Jets 219.0
20 Cleveland 217.1
21 Washington 215.4
22 LA Rams 214.6
23 New England 202.7
24 Pittsburgh 199.4
24 Houston 199.4
26 Dallas 198.6
27 Baltimore 186.8
28 Carolina 176.2
29 NY Giants 161.0
30 Atlanta 156.8
31 Tennessee 148.2
32 Chicago 128.1 passing yards per game - ( New Window )



This is a chest pounding I told you so thread. Polluting it with facts and reality that refute the hyperbole will likely not go over well...


No it’s just a poster reminding everyone that he think Jones is terrible and will come up with any way to do so.

It’s a shame we have posters that need to remind everyone of their narrative after every win.
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ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 6:59 pm : link
In comment 15907664 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think DJ has had a good season. But then I look @ the contract #s people claim he might fetch & I go...'Eh. I don't know about that.'


Agreed, he’s had a solid season but also not the type of season you pony up $30 million for. I’m not sure why it’s so offensive to have that opinion on this board.
ajr.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/14/2022 7:00 pm : link
I think Schoen would be loco to give DJ $30 million a year. And I like how Jones has played this year, but $30 million? Uh, hell no.
It’s why I still think  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 7:02 pm : link
The only chance he’s back is it’s a Winston type deal of 1 year $15 million, which I don’t think the Jones camp takes. There’s still too much unknown to commit multiple years to.
RE: We're 7-2..  
bw in dc : 11/14/2022 7:02 pm : link
In comment 15907540 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Jones has layed well in several of the wins and yet some here are going to spend the majority of the week posting about inane Jones shit.

I really wish some of you can see how useless it is. It isn't "discussing football" as one of that group likes to brag about - it is just rehashing the same old shit for n end goal at all.

We'll hopefully be 8-2 and some of you schmucks will rinse and repeat and create several hundred posts a week about Jones again.

What a time suck that must be. But keep telling yourselves that you are "discussing football".


Just a reminder. Jones plays QB, not safety, linebacker, or full back. And he's played the position quite poorly for most of his four years. So, in this crucial fourth year where Jones is playing for his football career, it seems absolutely essential to talk about Jones's weekly performance, and if he's going to be the solution going forward.

Reminder: if you don't like what is being discussed you are under no obligation to read it or respond to it.
Many on BBI...  
Brown_Hornet : 11/14/2022 7:03 pm : link
... made up their mind sometime ago regarding Jones.

Most of them are having a hard time with him playing well. To be sure they're still rooting for the team and even for Jones, but they're not terribly thrilled that the team is doing well with Jones.

I don't believe that the coaching staff has made up their mind.
I do believe that they are in a better position from a skill standpoint to nknowmore than those posting here... Some of you may disagree.

I have no idea how much money should be spent on a quarterback that an NFL coaching staff believes is the future...
RE: Giants protecting DJ?  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/14/2022 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15907306 Carl in CT said:
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That is 100% false. Protecting their make shift receiving core? Yup. Their patch work OL? Yup. But not DJ has never has had a good group of either one. Be careful what you wish for cause I’ll say it again a maroon and gold team has already been sniffing around.

Sometimes your posts get tangled up in logical problems - this one is an example of that, IMO.

Your argument on what part of the offense is being schemed around is simply a matter of perception. The tactics that a HC/OC might employ to safeguard against mediocre receivers or a makeshift OL can often look exactly the same as the tactics that a HC/OC might employ to implement guardrails on a QB to limit exposure to mistakes. That's what makes it just as difficult to make the claim that it's absolutely about DJ as it is to make the claim that it's absolutely NOT about DJ. You don't know that BD/MK aren't putting guardrails on the offense because of DJ, and no one else should claim in absolute fashion that they are.

The only thing we can observe with certainty is that there are obvious limiters being applied to the passing game - that's the what/where/how/when of it all, and those questions are answered objectively. Why is the subjective question that we lack the facts to answer with certainty. And because of that, we also can't objectively answer the "who" portion of the question in general.

As for the last part of your post, it's just logically irrelevant. Just generally speaking, if someone thinks that DJ is an essential asset, they're already in favor of keeping him (thus, they wouldn't be wishing for him to sign elsewhere in the first place); if someone thinks that DJ is a liability, they're not going to be scared of him ending up with a division rival.

More specifically though, is there anyone who you realistically think is on the fence about DJ, could kind of be fine with him signing elsewhere but then all of a sudden your little nugget about Washington potentially being where he ends up somehow convinces them to change their sentiment on DJ entirely? Or did you just want to drop a little asshat seed to pat yourself on the back with in case DJ ends up signing with the Commanders?
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