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Daniel Jones now 8th in NFL in QBR

ryanmkeane : 11/14/2022 8:46 am
Here are some QBs ranked below Jones at this point in the season: Burrow, Herbert, Brady, Lawrence, Cousins, Stafford, Murray, Rodgers, Wilson.

He has the least amount of INTs among eligible QBs.

Anyone want to scout some college QBs today?
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RE: RE: We're 7-2..  
bw in dc : 11/14/2022 7:05 pm : link
In comment 15907551 GNewGiants said:
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Jones has layed well in several of the wins and yet some here are going to spend the majority of the week posting about inane Jones shit.

I really wish some of you can see how useless it is. It isn't "discussing football" as one of that group likes to brag about - it is just rehashing the same old shit for n end goal at all.

We'll hopefully be 8-2 and some of you schmucks will rinse and repeat and create several hundred posts a week about Jones again.

What a time suck that must be. But keep telling yourselves that you are "discussing football".



They’ve dug a hole so big - they’ll never get out of it - so they keep repeating the same thing over and over and over again.


You may want to throw a rope ladder to FMIC to help him get out of the deep hole he dug supporting Gettleman day after day, week after week, month after month for four years.
RE: Many on BBI...  
bw in dc : 11/14/2022 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15907682 Brown_Hornet said:
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Most of them are having a hard time with him playing well. To be sure they're still rooting for the team and even for Jones, but they're not terribly thrilled that the team is doing well with Jones.



I don't believe that. I think many of us are curious how this offense is actually working and Jones's role in that.
RE: RE: It's so freaking obvious that  
djm : 11/14/2022 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15907421 djm said:
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the coaching staff doesn't trust Jones. They never go for it at the end of the half and they run an extremely conservative offense. Now part of that is definitely the WR's and OL, but part of it is also because they don't trust Jones.



You're pulling shit out of your ass dude.


That was uncalled for on my part. I didn’t need to bring your ass or anyone else’s ass into this.
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Producer : 11/14/2022 7:25 pm : link
In comment 15907661 Gatorade Dunk said:
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8th in QBR
Last in the league in INT’s thrown (amazing stat)
22nd in yards
24th in passing TD’s

I’d love to get those last 2 stats into the 11-15 ranked range.

Right now he’s on track for 3000 yards passing and 13 TD passes.


This is strictly my opinion, but I think that Daboll/Kafka's approach suggests that they're at least somewhat concerned that if they try to press on the accelerator for those second two stats too aggressively, they'd end up applying a more significantly negative impact to the first two stats.

Not necessarily a reflection on DJ when I say that, either. Simply an observation of the offense at large.



Not sure what you are saying here, and I normally agree with everything you post. It is a reflection on Jones. That's the whole game. Jones cut turnovers by scaling down and playing conservatively. He has never scaled back up. Daboll is using the scaled down Jones to max effect. If Jones can scale up tomorrow and be a 4500 yard 35TD 8INT guy, let's do it. If he demonstrates he is capable of that level of performance I'll become a big advocate. But he hasn't, because he can't.
RE: RE: 2022 Team Passing Offense, yards per game  
djm : 11/14/2022 7:47 pm : link
In comment 15907620 The Mike said:
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1 Kansas City 313.9
2 Buffalo 294.2
3 Miami 293.8
4 Tampa Bay 269.8
5 LA Chargers 265.3
6 Cincinnati 263.0
7 Minnesota 248.8
8 Philadelphia 242.3
9 Detroit 241.4
10 New Orleans 237.7
11 San Francisco 236.3
12 Las Vegas 228.6
13 Seattle 227.8
14 Indianapolis 226.4
15 Denver 223.6
16 Green Bay 223.0
17 Jacksonville 222.6
18 Arizona 220.6
19 NY Jets 219.0
20 Cleveland 217.1
21 Washington 215.4
22 LA Rams 214.6
23 New England 202.7
24 Pittsburgh 199.4
24 Houston 199.4
26 Dallas 198.6
27 Baltimore 186.8
28 Carolina 176.2
29 NY Giants 161.0
30 Atlanta 156.8
31 Tennessee 148.2
32 Chicago 128.1 passing yards per game - ( New Window )



This is a chest pounding I told you so thread. Polluting it with facts and reality that refute the hyperbole will likely not go over well...


Ok fine.

Do some here actually believe that Jones and the passing game isn’t capable of more yardage? You’re telling me not only is jones a finished product in this offense, stay with me, but this offense is a finished product? The passing game can’t improve ? Yes it’s kind of not sustainable although one could argue if the running game keeps this up it is, but ok fine it isn’t. That doesn’t mean things can’t improve if and when the wrs and oline improve, and the former likely improves dramatically by next season.

I give up. We argue like fucking morons dealing in absolutes with little to no nuance.
I don’t think anyone is saying it can’t improve  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 7:49 pm : link
The question is how much can it improve with Jones at QB, and what is that dollar figure worth.
RE: RE: Many on BBI...  
Brown_Hornet : 11/14/2022 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15907691 bw in dc said:
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Most of them are having a hard time with him playing well. To be sure they're still rooting for the team and even for Jones, but they're not terribly thrilled that the team is doing well with Jones.





I don't believe that. I think many of us are curious how this offense is actually working and Jones's role in that.
I believe that you are indeed curious. But than, you are not posting like those that have simply moved on from DJ.
But I find most telling is those that are suggesting that the playbook has been dumbed down for the QB.
In my experience if that was the case there would be more deep routes, not fewer.
More flood concepts slide protections and rollouts.
Clearly the coach is playing to the strengths of the team... In my experience, that's how good coaching works.
The dollar figures  
djm : 11/14/2022 7:59 pm : link
Are way overblown and way too involved in any player evaluations around here. People literally think we’re better off sucking next year with a rookie than winning with an “overpaid” Daniel jones. Tell me I’m wrong.

In a perfect world we do win with a cost controlled cheap awesome QB. I’ll tell you what doesn’t suck— winning with an expensive qb.

Many here simply cannot be objective when players get paid. Most contracts aren’t as dire or deadly as this place insists. It’s important to be fiscally smart, that doesn’t mean you go full retard and let the qb walk. The skins let cousins walk and I still here fans of that team say it was the right move. Sure it was.
RE: The dollar figures  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/14/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15907756 djm said:
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Are way overblown and way too involved in any player evaluations around here. People literally think we’re better off sucking next year with a rookie than winning with an “overpaid” Daniel jones. Tell me I’m wrong.

In a perfect world we do win with a cost controlled cheap awesome QB. I’ll tell you what doesn’t suck— winning with an expensive qb.

Many here simply cannot be objective when players get paid. Most contracts aren’t as dire or deadly as this place insists. It’s important to be fiscally smart, that doesn’t mean you go full retard and let the qb walk. The skins let cousins walk and I still here fans of that team say it was the right move. Sure it was.

You're wrong.

People think it will be harder to win if DJ is overpaid because there's a salary cap in the NFL.
Which team is better  
djm : 11/14/2022 8:05 pm : link
The one with a bottle of Heineken starting at qb and let’s add in 2 decent or solid highly paid vets, or the team with cousins at qb and remove those two vets. And even that could be an unfair leap as teams find ways to keep their stars by moving money around.

If jones is the best qb for the giants going forward he needs to be re-signed. You damn right you fucking pay the guy. You make the best educated decision based on every shred of data and evidence, anecdotal or empirical. We don’t know everything Daboll and Schoen know so I’m fine with trusting them. But my eyes tell me he’s a solid qb with upside and good intangibles.
RE: RE: The dollar figures  
djm : 11/14/2022 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15907767 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Are way overblown and way too involved in any player evaluations around here. People literally think we’re better off sucking next year with a rookie than winning with an “overpaid” Daniel jones. Tell me I’m wrong.

In a perfect world we do win with a cost controlled cheap awesome QB. I’ll tell you what doesn’t suck— winning with an expensive qb.

Many here simply cannot be objective when players get paid. Most contracts aren’t as dire or deadly as this place insists. It’s important to be fiscally smart, that doesn’t mean you go full retard and let the qb walk. The skins let cousins walk and I still here fans of that team say it was the right move. Sure it was.


You're wrong.

People think it will be harder to win if DJ is overpaid because there's a salary cap in the NFL.


I already know that. You and many others would have nothing to talk about if not for the big bad cap. Broken record I say the same shit. You’re better off paying the good player than not. Theres always risk. Risk in doing and risk in not doing. You’re wrong.
And if the giants pay jones  
djm : 11/14/2022 8:13 pm : link
And he gets hurt or regresses under Daboll I’m wrong. if they let him walk and he shines elsewhere and we draft the next loser qb that looks like tarzan you’re wrong. Every move is risky. Not paying a qb you know is good because of money is fucking stupid and negligent. If they don’t pay him they better be sure he’s no good and they can find someone better.

The giants aren’t letting jones go because of the god damned cap. They might let him go because they don’t love him. Two different things.

Dunk  
djm : 11/14/2022 8:37 pm : link
Look I get the appeal of going with a young cost control quarterback. I also get the trepidation in going cash all in on Jones long-term or any quarterback for that matter. I get both sides truly I do. I just think some are way too enamored with the cheap young QB route as if less money is always better. It isn’t. Look at the jets. At some point fans became convinced that young drafted QBs are likely to shine. Likely just doesn’t seem the right word to me.

RE: Dunk  
ajr2456 : 11/14/2022 8:47 pm : link
In comment 15907828 djm said:
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At some point fans became convinced that young drafted QBs are likely to shine. Likely just doesn’t seem the right word to me.


Isn’t that what’s happened here for the last 4 years? And here we are approaching the end of year 4, without a clear picture of what the young QB is and having to make a massive financial decision.
RE: Which team is better  
BillKo : 11/14/2022 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15907769 djm said:
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But my eyes tell me he’s a solid qb with upside and good intangibles.


That's what I see.

Plus....you can still draft a QB if you really like one as a prospect.
RE: RE: Nobody here is mad  
GMen72 : 11/14/2022 9:47 pm : link
In comment 15907588 ryanmkeane said:
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The Giants are winning. That’s a fantasy in your guys heads.


Nope, wrong again. Plenty are. There are posters here who have said repeatedly that as long as Jones is the quarterback the Giants are stuck in neutral. Those posters have said repeatedly that they want another option, but the problem is that the Giants keep winning with Jones as the QB, so it makes them look like complete idiots and the goalposts continue to change week after week.


That's the narrative you want to spin. Winning isn't the only measure of a QB, especially when we depend on Saquon and or defense way more than DJ.

Honest question...do you see this team competing for, or winning a SB with this offense? Do you think DJ can put up top 5 to 10 passing stats?

I don't...that's why I want to move on from Jones. Winning is great...but sneaking by below average teams with a 4th place schedule doesn't get us to the ultimate goal.
RE: RE: The dollar figures  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/14/2022 9:50 pm : link
In comment 15907767 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Are way overblown and way too involved in any player evaluations around here. People literally think we’re better off sucking next year with a rookie than winning with an “overpaid” Daniel jones. Tell me I’m wrong.

In a perfect world we do win with a cost controlled cheap awesome QB. I’ll tell you what doesn’t suck— winning with an expensive qb.

Many here simply cannot be objective when players get paid. Most contracts aren’t as dire or deadly as this place insists. It’s important to be fiscally smart, that doesn’t mean you go full retard and let the qb walk. The skins let cousins walk and I still here fans of that team say it was the right move. Sure it was.


You're wrong.

People think it will be harder to win if DJ is overpaid because there's a salary cap in the NFL.


We have so much dead weight on this roster, we already playing hamstrung. 17 million dollar dead weight, traded first round WR, still paying a ton of dead money that comes off the books next year. And we are gonna be a playoff team.
RE: some of you won't believe in DJ  
GMen72 : 11/14/2022 9:54 pm : link
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until he's doing historical shit in January. Kind of fair, I mean ELi went through it here. So did Simms. I just hate the easy takes that aren't really true or maybe were true 2 years ago.

This isn't 2020 anymore.


Funny how Jones fans love to quote his QBR, but want to ignore every other stat.

Want to get paid like a franchise QB...look and produce like a franchise QB. He's a game manager right now, nothing more.
RE: NYG are and should be actively scouting college QBs  
Ralph.C : 11/14/2022 11:21 pm : link
In comment 15906498 JonC said:
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Those who think otherwise don't know what they're watching.


You have to be kidding. DJ delivers the ball accurately and has mobility. What do you want? A new guy to complain about?
RE: Who gives a flying  
Ralph.C : 11/14/2022 11:25 pm : link
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shit about passing yards? The football IQ on this site is at an all time low.


Agreed!
RE: And if the giants pay jones  
Matt M. : 11/14/2022 11:51 pm : link
In comment 15907787 djm said:
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And he gets hurt or regresses under Daboll I’m wrong. if they let him walk and he shines elsewhere and we draft the next loser qb that looks like tarzan you’re wrong. Every move is risky. Not paying a qb you know is good because of money is fucking stupid and negligent. If they don’t pay him they better be sure he’s no good and they can find someone better.

The giants aren’t letting jones go because of the god damned cap. They might let him go because they don’t love him. Two different things.
I don't think this is true. I think the cap and how the market value for a QB will impact the cap situation are extremely large factors in this decision. Schoen and Daboll may not want to or need to find a better QB. They may think they just need somebody as good for a lot less money. Doing that may be a crap shoot, but it's not that crazy to think it's possible.
I have a feeling this merry go round of logic will continue with Jones  
Matt M. : 11/14/2022 11:53 pm : link
If they re-sign him, there is a good chance Barkley is gone. If Barkley is gone, they have no true #1 RB and they lose their best offensive player and only real weapon right now. That puts more pressure on the need for a WR1 and to improve the OL. It opens the door for more excuses next year if anything goes south because the narrative can then be we have no running game.

I know the risks in re-signing a RB, especially one with injuries in his past. But, I think their best short to medium term option may be a creative way to keep both.
I will add, I love the 7-2 record and the guts and grit  
Matt M. : 11/14/2022 11:56 pm : link
Jones shows every week and the team shows. But, I have yet to see a QB who can elevate his team on his own. I hope to Hell we get to see that in the next few weeks. I'd be thrilled to have a REALLY compelling reason to re-sign him.

7-2 is great. But, I think if we are being honest, there are a ton of other factors contributing to that record. The coaching staff is #1, in my opinion. Barkley is #2. Jones is somewhere in the mix, but those are the most important.
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