OBJ’s Mentor Seems to Think it’s Down to Giants or Dallas

And provide another pro option for DJ

But for Dallas? Nauseating.

for two reasons. I would hate to see him in Dallas, and we need more offensive help.

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In comment 15907986 GiantBlue said:

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And provide another pro option for DJ

I’m not against them signing him, I just don’t see how it will work financially.

I’d be surprised if it did happen, though

Giants can make it work if they want to

I think they'd have to extend someone and convert 2022 salary to signing bonus. Right? So the player gets the same money in the long run, but more of it in his pocket right away, while for cap purposes that signing bonus is spread out over multiple years, reducing the cap hit for 2022.

And it would have to be someone with a big-ish salary. So... Leonard Williams?

The thing about that is, it's it likely that at some point the restructured player will be cut or something, which accelerates the remaining bonus, so you have a dead-cap hit.

I doubt Schoen is going to be very sanguine about that idea.

I think OBJ on the Giants again is intriguing but it's a high-risk, high-reward move. if he gets hurt again, or can't perform at a high level because his knee isn't really healed, you've dinged your future cap situation for... not much.

that he was coming here. Tiki’s really been talking it up on WFAN, and he’s pretty plugged in with the Giants (seems to have a good relationship w/Schoen).

In comment 15908023 81_Great_Dane said:

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I think they'd have to extend someone and convert 2022 salary to signing bonus. Right? So the player gets the same money in the long run, but more of it in his pocket right away, while for cap purposes that signing bonus is spread out over multiple years, reducing the cap hit for 2022. And it would have to be someone with a big-ish salary. So... Leonard Williams? The thing about that is, it's it likely that at some point the restructured player will be cut or something, which accelerates the remaining bonus, so you have a dead-cap hit. I doubt Schoen is going to be very sanguine about that idea. I think OBJ on the Giants again is intriguing but it's a high-risk, high-reward move. if he gets hurt again, or can't perform at a high level because his knee isn't really healed, you've dinged your future cap situation for... not much.

If he signs a back loaded 2 year deal they could sign him and not touch another contract.

I wouldn't pay him the $7M he's supposedly looking for this year, nor would I sign him to the longer term deal he is looking for. He will be 9 months removed from his 2nd ACL surgery on the same knee. Prior to his trade to the Rams last year, he was not a special player any longer. Whether that was him not being 100%, not interested, or Mayfield/Browns impact I don't know. But, I wouldn't be investing in him recapturing what made him special before a slew of serious injuries.

OBJ attended as a guest of S.Shepard.....the talk both times was OBJ return....eventhough he won a Super Bowl with the Rans....he enjoyed being with the Giants the most.....has remained very close with Barkley and Shepard.

Certainly money talks.....but if above is true.....I would be surprised if he chose Dallas over the Giants.

Save cap $ for our own players

He has two major knee injuries and one serious ankle injury. If you haven't learned from the Kenny G fiasco.... Don't invest in wrs with bad wheels

In comment 15908065 Trainmaster said:

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Save cap $ for our own players

Technically isn’t he one of our own players?

Giants have plenty of money going forward.

… but how much can he actually contribute? He tore his ACL this calendar year.

Unless it’s a vet min contract. Don’t get this and don’t think Schoen will free up $5m to sign him. Not even sure that’s possible.

You need two additions there anyway. If you catch lightning in a bottle this season, even better.

To team cancer

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In comment 15908091 BillT said:

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Unless it’s a vet min contract. Don’t get this and don’t think Schoen will free up $5m to sign him. Not even sure that’s possible.

How little NFL GM’s are actually going to be willing to pay Odell for 4-6 games less than 10 months removed from a major knee injury is going to surprise many people.

The Cowboys have 6mil of cap space (and only 8mil next year). Don’t think they are backing up the brinks truck for him either.

The Bills? 918k left this year and negative 4 mil next year

49ers? 6mil and 14mil

Giants? 2mil and 59mil…clearly the best positioned. Now it’s just a matter of what the market is and if the Giants are willing to get it done

and who the hell knows if he can even be effective off that injury.

Pass.

the 23 year old OBJ we remember has a son, a wife, a ring now. He has been humbled a bit by injury and is a adult man.

Him coming back to NY for this run would revitalize his history and possibly legacy with the NYG franchise, that 1 handed catch that shocked the nation will be relevant again.

Its a win for him.

Make him a Giant.

He wants a multi year deal which can help alleviate cap burden. But signing him to a multi year deal coming off 2 torn ACL’s is…..well, probably not a great idea. Weird spot for Odell, coming back can show he’s body is good again but you’re also risking another injury (assuming no one gives him multiple years).

Maybe a 3 year deal that is cuttable after next makes the most sense.

Gun to my head I think he’s a Cowboy.

concern is that as others have said, he's torn the same ACL twice, and the last time about nine months ago. How much could he possibly contribute this year, especially since he doesn't know the playbook? I'd probably pass for that reason.

My concern is making it a team-friendly enough deal that it doesn't hurt us too bad if we come to find out OBJ simply isn't a superstar talent anymore.

He can come back and immediately provide a lot of juice. Guys doubted him last year and he gave the Rams a significant performance down the stretch and in the playoffs.

The one factor not talked about here is would John Mara sign off on a reunion? That to me seems like the most significant bar to clear.

The shenanigans he displayed here cannot be forgotten. He them made himself persona non grata in Cleveland. I know John has really let Schoen operate as he sees fit, but this might be a bridge too far for Mara, even if Schoen is on board, which we don't know what that status is, either.

It's just not simply OBJ's decision.

In comment 15908215 AcidTest said:

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concern is that as others have said, he's torn the same ACL twice, and the last time about nine months ago. How much could he possibly contribute this year, especially since he doesn't know the playbook? I'd probably pass for that reason.

It took him about 3 weeks to get fully integrated into the Rams offense last season. So hypothetically if he signed this week, we'd be looking at wee 13 or 14 to see the full benefit. Still a lot of season let and extremely important games on the calendar to go.

In comment 15908221 allstarjim said:

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He can come back and immediately provide a lot of juice. Guys doubted him last year and he gave the Rams a significant performance down the stretch and in the playoffs. The one factor not talked about here is would John Mara sign off on a reunion? That to me seems like the most significant bar to clear. The shenanigans he displayed here cannot be forgotten. He them made himself persona non grata in Cleveland. I know John has really let Schoen operate as he sees fit, but this might be a bridge too far for Mara, even if Schoen is on board, which we don't know what that status is, either. It's just not simply OBJ's decision.

Good points, but I think Mara wants to win more than anything after 10 years of losing and being a league laughingstock. Schoen admitted he wanted to make a deal for a WR before the trade deadline, and when he couldn't, immediately signed Hodgins. OTOH, he traded Toney, and might view OBJ as an injured head case who isn't "smart, tough, and dependable."

Increases his chances of coming here.. Beat Detroit, it goes up more

He’s a complete free agent, right?

I’m talking about savings cap $ for resigning Barkley, Love, Jones ??? and in the near future Dex, McKinney.

Odell was an afterthought

Let’s the girls blow money on that creep

Its not just about passing a physical. You need to work him out before signing him to see if he still has it

He's made it clear that he prefers warm weather, and has been very outspoken against the artificial turf used in Metlife. I imagine that he's even more cautious about the field material coming off of a second knee injury.

I think San Fran is where he'll end up - warm stadium, natural grass, they're legitimate contenders in NFC, and he'd still be relatively close to home. And San Fran can afford him. It makes the most sense. Dallas is probably option #2, and Rams #3.

In comment 15908275 eclipz928 said:

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He's made it clear that he prefers warm weather, and has been very outspoken against the artificial turf used in Metlife. I imagine that he's even more cautious about the field material coming off of a second knee injury. I think San Fran is where he'll end up - warm stadium, natural grass, they're legitimate contenders in NFC, and he'd still be relatively close to home. And San Fran can afford him. It makes the most sense. Dallas is probably option #2, and Rams #3.

SF isn't really warm in November -January.

Making my OBJ jersey relevant again

In comment 15908251 Rambo89 said:

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Odell was an afterthought Let’s the girls blow money on that creep

7 scores in 11 games from week 12 on. Had a 9-113 game in the NFCCG. That's as a complementary receiver to Kupp, who yes, the entire offense ran through.

The Rams don't even get to the Super Bowl without OBJ last year, I mean that. They won the division round, the NFCCG, and the Super Bowl by 3 points each game. In those three games, OBJ 17-234 and a score (in the Super Bowl) and tore his ACL I believe in the 2nd quarter of that game. So that was really about 2.5 games.

Odell did his private duty when everything was swell

I recall him running out of bounds, short of a 1st down conversion, without even trying to juke. He’s a bum. And old, and broken, and completely untrustworthy
Maybe you’d like to see him throw egg in our face but I dont

I don't see it.

To get them to overpay for a one legged superstar distraction.

Look great in a Cowboy uniform. Especially when he rips his helmet off to show his hair.

Not in the picture anymore?

If it were me and it was 2-3 weeks before I wanted to sign I’d be having my coach talk up the Giants so Jerry give me ask the money he has.

This is what I think is happening, if it were really me I’d go to New York where there’s only one more player on offense to share the ball with but I’m biased

NOT a good receiver. He’s essentially Golladay AND with as much distraction. I think there is ZERO chance he signs here.

Much better fit with Cowboys

In comment 15908164 Rory said:

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the 23 year old OBJ we remember has a son, a wife, a ring now. He has been humbled a bit by injury and is a adult man. Him coming back to NY for this run would revitalize his history and possibly legacy with the NYG franchise, that 1 handed catch that shocked the nation will be relevant again. Its a win for him. Make him a Giant.

This!

He looking for his last contract. He saw what KT got away with and wants a piece of that. PASS.

In comment 15908293 ZoneXDOA said:

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Making my OBJ jersey relevant again

Coldest winter was a summer in San Francisco - Mark Twain

But I just cannot see him helping after knee surgery this soon.
I will leave that to Schoen and Dabs. At least he holds the balls thrown to him.

the production will match the money he is looking for. While it would be a great story for the media, I would take a pass. I think the Giants ride or die with who they have on the roster.

he is a different WR now, he is a possession guy, he can still make a game changing play but right now he would be a reliable guy for Jones..

He can still get seperation and he is still a guy defenses will have to key on