The Odell saga is on a collision course with Thanksgiving

(Unless he goes to the cowboys :)).

We could obviously use help in our WR core and he might be a good mentor for Wandale.

He has had some horrific injuries, but I was watching some of his highlights the other night and my jaw still drops seeing what he was able to do.

but there have to be other contenders out there lurking about. Ultimately it will be about $ and length of contract. Hope he ends up in NY. Watching WAS/PHI the receivers, my goodness, McLaurin/Samuel/Dotson vs Brown/Smith/Watkins and not incl the TEs, Giants are woefully undermanned.

as all are going for it this year.

To spread some misinformation in an attempt to increase his client's value.

I think he’s made it obvious he would rather be here than anywhere else.

In comment 15909594 USAF NYG Fan said:

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To spread some misinformation in an attempt to increase his client's value.

+infinity

Whoever Wins The Thanksgiving Day Game in Dallas is the one Odell will sign with

Man, the first time around was fireworks and a lot of fun. But the timing just wasn't right. Giants were going through some stuff and needed to clean house. Odell had to sow his wild oats and slut around the NFL for awhile. Both parties are older, wiser, and more capable of being in a committed relationship. They say you can't go home, then again it's stitched on the collar of the jersey.

Joking aside I hope it's the right move for the team because it would be a ridiculously fun story.

Between his health and the money it seems unrealistic. But I could be wrong about both. We’ll see.

In comment 15909604 BillT said:

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Between his health and the money it seems unrealistic. But I could be wrong about both. We’ll see.

Yeah, he hasn't even been cleared yet, to my knowledge. Team OBJ might just be beating the bushes for interest. We shall see, indeed.

is the multi year aspect. Will they pay him for year 2 or 3? Im sure they want him for this year. Actually will the Giants do that as well? If Jones is a no do you even want that?

and that he would like to come back.

But Giants didn't do a deal at the trade deadline for a reason and we don't have the cash to sign him unless he's willing to take a minimum deal to come hear, which is doubtful. So the talk is the talk, but in the end, does anyone really believe Odell is going to sign some minimum deal to play for anyone?

He hasn’t been that guy for quite awhile. Odds are, at 30 with 2 ACLs plus the other injuries, he’s barely a jag at this point.

In comment 15909612 UberAlias said:

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and that he would like to come back. But Giants didn't do a deal at the trade deadline for a reason and we don't have the cash to sign him unless he's willing to take a minimum deal to come hear, which is doubtful. So the talk is the talk, but in the end, does anyone really believe Odell is going to sign some minimum deal to play for anyone?

No I dont, not for one year but for the Giants money opens up next year. Could a multi year deal make sense?

In comment 15909612 UberAlias said:

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and that he would like to come back. But Giants didn't do a deal at the trade deadline for a reason and we don't have the cash to sign him unless he's willing to take a minimum deal to come hear, which is doubtful. So the talk is the talk, but in the end, does anyone really believe Odell is going to sign some minimum deal to play for anyone?

If it is just a one year deal- money can be made by either:

1. Restructuring someone

or more likely

2. Giving him a signing bonus with void years tacked on to spread out the bonus hit. For a few games, it won't be that big anyway.

My guess is its at least a two year deal regardless with team/player options in the future.

They can totally make the money work. Money is not the issue.

The issues are:

Do they want him (based on obviously health/culture fit)
Does he want us

The tea leaves seem to say yes.

he's going to the Bills.

In comment 15909612 UberAlias said:

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and that he would like to come back. But Giants didn't do a deal at the trade deadline for a reason and we don't have the cash to sign him unless he's willing to take a minimum deal to come hear, which is doubtful. So the talk is the talk, but in the end, does anyone really believe Odell is going to sign some minimum deal to play for anyone?

I believe a large part of the reason they didn't do a deal at the deadline was because the asking prices (draft picks) were unreasonable.

Signing OBJ wouldn't cost any draft picks. Whether they can afford to sign him and whether he could contribute are different questions, but I don't think the fact they didn't make a trade means anything re. Odell.

I think his injury history makes that a bad idea for the Giants.

1). Health - who knows? If he is just 70% of what he was last year, never mind his early years, he is far and away the best receiver on our team. If he can pass a physical and people believe his knee can hold up, you have to consider.

2). Money - this is the question that matters. I hear all the time that the Giants have no cap space this year and thus can't sign him. This is dumb. If they want him, they can move money around. You almost always can. The issue is whether they want to pay him what he will cost. I am fine giving him a 2 or 3 year deal, with a big dollar amount in the last year. The key is how much is guaranteed. I could see doing a 3 year (2023-2025) for $50MM where you guarantee 2023 at a high but reasonable number (maybe $6), 2024 at $14MM, and 2025 at $30MM. Guarantee all of 2023 and maybe part of 2024. That splits the risk. If he bombs cut him after 2023. If he is great, he will get paid in 2025. Middle ground is about right. High risk/high reward for us. I think it is low risk/good reward deal for him. All of this contingent on 100% being comfortable with his health. It is very reasonable to say no interest on the basis of the knee injuries so far.

I think he's better than anyone on the Giants roster now even at 30 and with his injury history. Until proven otherwise I am confident this Front Office isn't going to do anything stupid. They haven't so far.

Now he's not even signed or working out with a team. I'm starting to think his recovery is behind schedule and this is a money grab more than he really thinks he can help a team win this year. The Rams needs a WR worse than anyone, and the fact they stopped pursuing him would worry me.

Has a WR ever come back from ACL surgery on the same knee twice and been effective?

But what we are forgetting is OBJ is a self absorbed asshole and he does not fit in the current cultur that Daboll has built. I don't care if can help us win or not. I do not want him anywhere near the NYG

At least for now. With Dallas? The number 3?

In comment 15909624 Dr. D said:

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In comment 15909612 UberAlias said: Quote: and that he would like to come back. But Giants didn't do a deal at the trade deadline for a reason and we don't have the cash to sign him unless he's willing to take a minimum deal to come hear, which is doubtful. So the talk is the talk, but in the end, does anyone really believe Odell is going to sign some minimum deal to play for anyone? I believe a large part of the reason they didn't do a deal at the deadline was because the asking prices (draft picks) were unreasonable. Signing OBJ wouldn't cost any draft picks. Whether they can afford to sign him and whether he could contribute are different questions, but I don't think the fact they didn't make a trade means anything re. Odell.

They traded away a first round WR in his second year and opted not to make any deals for help at the trade deadline. That is clear indication the team is very sensitive to the long term view and I don't see any reason why a deal with OBJ wouldn't be seen through a similar lens.

He was that guy last postseason. But I agree that it is questionable he'll be that guy again after a 2nd ACL tear.

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He hasn’t been that guy for quite awhile. Odds are, at 30 with 2 ACLs plus the other injuries, he’s barely a jag at this point.

That much is clear.

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That much is clear.

Not at the price of multiple high draft picks, but it's not clear whether they're interested in signing Odell at a reasonable price.

In comment 15909660 ElitoCanton said:

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He was that guy last postseason. But I agree that it is questionable he'll be that guy again after a 2nd ACL tear. In comment 15909613 Dave on the UWS said: Quote: He hasn’t been that guy for quite awhile. Odds are, at 30 with 2 ACLs plus the other injuries, he’s barely a jag at this point.

but he’s gotta be a huge upgrade over what we’re putting on the field. His presence alone will help open up Robinson and Slayton. He may lose a little of that top end speed, but his hands weren’t injured. If he can create even a yard of separation, Jones has proven he can fit that ball and Beckham will actually catch it. That’s really ALL we need is a reliable receiver that can run a quick slant and not drop a perfectly placed ball. It’s been the difference in the games we’ve lost or struggled to win. He is an immediate upgrade even at 75% of what he was. The only think I would stress if I was Schoen is making sure it’s an incentive-laden contract. I don’t think anyone wants to be paying top money for a receiver that’s just gonna rehab for 13-14 weeks. I’m not shitting on him for getting injured but it was the second time with the same ACL so it should be sensible to all parties to use caution but also reward performance.

In comment 15909613 Dave on the UWS said:

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He hasn’t been that guy for quite awhile. Odds are, at 30 with 2 ACLs plus the other injuries, he’s barely a jag at this point.

He looked pretty damn good with rams last yr
I would hardly call him a JAG
Lost a step, sure. But he still has great body control, can get in and of of his breaks, has solid hands etc
Matured too. I would take him in a heartbeat
Be the best WR on team by far.
Not saying we are on SB run but NFC is wide open. Philly tough. So are niners, Dallas. Even Seattle. Never discount Brady.
Can’t just assume we are gonna win as many close games in 2023. Even with better health and talent.

In comment 15909638 RobCrossRiver56 said:

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But what we are forgetting is OBJ is a self absorbed asshole and he does not fit in the current cultur that Daboll has built. I don't care if can help us win or not. I do not want him anywhere near the NYG

I don’t think he is anymore. Dude hasn’t said boo
It’s just media reporting all this is stuff
He wants redemption in NY. It could happen

But Odell jogging out to his position will end the 8 and 9 in the box defensive setup Saquon faces weekly, opening up lanes everywhere. No wonder he smiles when Odell’s name comes up. He desperately needs an impact player running loose in the secondary.

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That much is clear.

I’m not sure the Giants could even do the deal without a multi year contract to spread out the money

Whether he picks a team before then or not -

We will have to hear all about it, unless he another team signs him.

Maybe to get the Giants to make a bigger multi year offer? I just don’t see why he would go to Dallas. He wouldn’t be the top option there and he might not even be the #2 depending on how his recovery goes. He would also be burning a bridge with the Giants fanbase that very much wants him to come back. Well, most people do. And with all of the wanting to win another Super Bowl talk, the chiefs or bills seem like the far better choice if that’s the main goal.

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They traded away a first round WR in his second year and opted not to make any deals for help at the trade deadline. That is clear indication the team is very sensitive to the long term view and I don't see any reason why a deal with OBJ wouldn't be seen through a similar lens.

I agree the team is "sensitive to the long term", but I don't think the fact they traded away Toney, who was clearly a problem (with questions of whether he knew the playbook or whether he wanted to play) or the fact they chose to not overpay in a trade for another WR, have much or anything to do with whether they would simply sign Odell at a reasonable price.

If you listen to Schoen, he definitely wanted to trade for a WR, but the cost in draft picks was too high. The cost in draft picks of signing Odell is zero.

Part of the long term is figuring out whether to resign Jones. Giving him a decent WR to work with would help that evaluation. And playoff experience would also help the long term growth of the team. I don't think I'm going out on a limb saying that a better balanced offense would help us go further.

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In comment 15909662 UberAlias said: Quote: That much is clear. Not at the price of multiple high draft picks, but it's not clear whether they're interested in signing Odell at a reasonable price.

At a reasonable price, sure. They would be interested. But how reasonable a deal would Odell be willing to take?

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In comment 15909662 UberAlias said: Quote: That much is clear. I’m not sure the Giants could even do the deal without a multi year contract to spread out the money

Probably not. Unless for the veteran min, but he's not taking that.

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In comment 15909696 Dr. D said: Quote: In comment 15909662 UberAlias said: Quote: That much is clear. Not at the price of multiple high draft picks, but it's not clear whether they're interested in signing Odell at a reasonable price. At a reasonable price, sure. They would be interested. But how reasonable a deal would Odell be willing to take?

I guess we'll see. At his age, coming off a 2nd ACL, he's prolly not getting a mega contract. If the Cowpies or other team decide to overpay, that's their problem.

Not sure what he has left, but boy is there an opportunity for targets here for him and meaningful football down the stretch and into the postseason.

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he's going to the Bills.

Bills are no lock anymore. Lost 2 straight and Josh Allen's elbow is barking

I'm surprised we don't hear more about the Ravens as a landing spot.

If OBJ wants to hit the ground running with the best chance to produce, I don't know how he chooses NYG over other spots.

In Dallas, he will be surrounded by better skill players that will likely create more chances. Same in Baltimore. Same in Buffalo.

With NYG, OBJ, if healthy, would very likely draw a lot of double teams and he'd be playing with a QB less talented than other options.

I could be wrong, but that just doesn't seem like the best formula for him from an individual standpoint.

Jones v Dak, one on one in the squared circle. Winner gets Odell!

Book it, Tony Khan!

In comment 15909594 USAF NYG Fan said:

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To spread some misinformation in an attempt to increase his client's value.

Waiting for Bora$ to jump sports and bring in the Mystery Team!

In comment 15909786 Dr. D said:

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In comment 15909778 UberAlias said: Quote: In comment 15909696 Dr. D said: Quote: In comment 15909662 UberAlias said: Quote: That much is clear. Not at the price of multiple high draft picks, but it's not clear whether they're interested in signing Odell at a reasonable price. At a reasonable price, sure. They would be interested. But how reasonable a deal would Odell be willing to take? I guess we'll see. At his age, coming off a 2nd ACL, he's prolly not getting a mega contract. If the Cowpies or other team decide to overpay, that's their problem.

Yep.

And I am dumber than dumb when it comes to NFL salary caps…

…but aren’t the Giants hard-up-against-the-wall when it come to spending money on new players?

With the best natural grass field.

3 year deal with 2025 guaranteed and,as a very special bonus, the Giants assign Kenny Golladay to serve as OBJ's butler.

It needs to mean more to him then getting the best contract. He basically needs to show up and say what can scrape together for me.

We are operating by signing guys to PS minimum deals and maintaing less the 53 on the active roster.

We should have no intention of blowing a wad on one player when we probably could just use a good LB, DB or two. We fake a bidding war, and let Dallas blow the future on him

To me he’s an average receiver without the explosive burst and could turn into another bad contract. I’m really not sold on the idea of bringing him back now. Gettlemen should have never gotten rid of him in the first place!

In comment 15909638 RobCrossRiver56 said:

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But what we are forgetting is OBJ is a self absorbed asshole and he does not fit in the current cultur that Daboll has built. I don't care if can help us win or not. I do not want him anywhere near the NYG

this is make believe talk.

last time the Giants were good was when OBJ was here. LAst time the offense was god...again...see above.

For the 100th time, Odell went nuts here because the Giants suck. That's a risk I am willing to take because guess what? IF the Giants suck it doesn't matter whether a player goes nuts or says some stupid shit on twit--we're losing regardless and if you thuink a player's works can lead a team to ruin you're living in high school study hall. These are pros. The team puts that shit behind them. Fans like you, do not.

should be words. New keyboard here.

In comment 15909773 Dr. D said:

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In comment 15909658 UberAlias said: Quote: They traded away a first round WR in his second year and opted not to make any deals for help at the trade deadline. That is clear indication the team is very sensitive to the long term view and I don't see any reason why a deal with OBJ wouldn't be seen through a similar lens. I agree the team is "sensitive to the long term", but I don't think the fact they traded away Toney, who was clearly a problem (with questions of whether he knew the playbook or whether he wanted to play) or the fact they chose to not overpay in a trade for another WR, have much or anything to do with whether they would simply sign Odell at a reasonable price. If you listen to Schoen, he definitely wanted to trade for a WR, but the cost in draft picks was too high. The cost in draft picks of signing Odell is zero. Part of the long term is figuring out whether to resign Jones. Giving him a decent WR to work with would help that evaluation. And playoff experience would also help the long term growth of the team. I don't think I'm going out on a limb saying that a better balanced offense would help us go further.

I don’t think signing OBJ would make any difference in the evaluation of Jones. They see him every day, they know his strengths and liabilities.

Signing OBJ will be all about 7-2 and needing help at the receiver position

In comment 15909628 mfjmfj said:

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1). Health - who knows? If he is just 70% of what he was last year, never mind his early years, he is far and away the best receiver on our team. If he can pass a physical and people believe his knee can hold up, you have to consider. 2). Money - this is the question that matters. I hear all the time that the Giants have no cap space this year and thus can't sign him. This is dumb. If they want him, they can move money around. You almost always can. The issue is whether they want to pay him what he will cost. I am fine giving him a 2 or 3 year deal, with a big dollar amount in the last year. The key is how much is guaranteed. I could see doing a 3 year (2023-2025) for $50MM where you guarantee 2023 at a high but reasonable number (maybe $6), 2024 at $14MM, and 2025 at $30MM. Guarantee all of 2023 and maybe part of 2024. That splits the risk. If he bombs cut him after 2023. If he is great, he will get paid in 2025. Middle ground is about right. High risk/high reward for us. I think it is low risk/good reward deal for him. All of this contingent on 100% being comfortable with his health. It is very reasonable to say no interest on the basis of the knee injuries so far.

2 or 3 year deal? Are you Dave Gettleman? Good grief...he'd have to play like he did here the 1st time to even be close to the numbers you're throwing around. I bet when you buy cars, you walk in and offer them $15K over sticker...then tell your friends what a great deal you got!

In comment 15909628 mfjmfj said:

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1). Health - who knows? If he is just 70% of what he was last year, never mind his early years, he is far and away the best receiver on our team. If he can pass a physical and people believe his knee can hold up, you have to consider. 2). Money - this is the question that matters. I hear all the time that the Giants have no cap space this year and thus can't sign him. This is dumb. If they want him, they can move money around. You almost always can. The issue is whether they want to pay him what he will cost. I am fine giving him a 2 or 3 year deal, with a big dollar amount in the last year. The key is how much is guaranteed. I could see doing a 3 year (2023-2025) for $50MM where you guarantee 2023 at a high but reasonable number (maybe $6), 2024 at $14MM, and 2025 at $30MM. Guarantee all of 2023 and maybe part of 2024. That splits the risk. If he bombs cut him after 2023. If he is great, he will get paid in 2025. Middle ground is about right. High risk/high reward for us. I think it is low risk/good reward deal for him. All of this contingent on 100% being comfortable with his health. It is very reasonable to say no interest on the basis of the knee injuries so far.

Rams signed him for 1 year 1.25 million, plus incentives. He is worth less than that after a second ACL

In comment 15909612 UberAlias said:

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and that he would like to come back. But Giants didn't do a deal at the trade deadline for a reason and we don't have the cash to sign him unless he's willing to take a minimum deal to come hear, which is doubtful. So the talk is the talk, but in the end, does anyone really believe Odell is going to sign some minimum deal to play for anyone?

What kind of contract do you see being extended to him, and from who?

Why would this game be any more watched than any other Dallas Thanksgiving game? Some additional people because of the New York market, sure. But I don’t think fans of other teams are making this appointment football.

I went so far as to call him the most dynamic offensive player I've ever seen. That includes some all time greats. But, injuries and a strange attitude derailed his time here and his overall career arch.

If you could guarantee we would get even the 2021 Rams version of OBJ, I'd be all over it. But, there is no way we can guarantee anything with his 2nd ACL surgery less than a year ago and his ankle. And, the Giants don't really have the cap space to make it happen unless they sign him to a 3 or 4 year deal, which I can't get behind again for the injury concerns. SO, I'd say pass.