for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

NFT: It's the Knicks "don't suck" Knicks thread of the day

Semipro Lineman : 11/17/2022 6:00 am
This is the thread for "real" Knicks fans and not the pretenders in the other thread who want to trade and fire anyone who even works nears MSG including the cashier at the pizza place across the street.



Damn, we got a good team this year and it's only going to get better
Pages: 1 2 3 <<Prev | Show All |
Rose needs to be fired if they  
larryflower37 : 11/17/2022 1:56 pm : link
Add another veteran player to this roster.
This team needs to consolidate minutes and players.
Cavs have dropped five straight.  
bceagle05 : 11/17/2022 1:58 pm : link
I guess the Garland/Mitchell backcourt has been an issue on defense, as expected.
I wanna gripe about not getting DeJountee Murray again...  
AG5686 : 11/17/2022 2:22 pm : link
But Cam is making me a bit more mollified with his D
Reddish's defense is nothing special  
Greg from LI : 11/17/2022 2:31 pm : link
I swear, it's as if none of you ever watched truly great defense.
RJ’s knee  
RAIN : 11/17/2022 2:44 pm : link
Is not right. He’s limping and laboring, and playing injured. He needs to get some time off.
That's just stupid  
Spider43 : 11/17/2022 2:56 pm : link
If he's truly injured and he's trying to tough it out. We took an abundance of caution with Mitch, and we should do the same for RJ, if he really has something serious. We have a lot of depth at the wing spots, and can tread water in the meantime. But if we're jeopardizing the rest of his career by making him play through it (or if he himself is insisting on playing through it), that isn't smart.
over the last 3  
Enzo : 11/17/2022 3:06 pm : link
games RJ 11-46 from the field and 0-16 from 3. He's also grabbed 7 total rebounds over his last 87 minutes. I don't care if he's sick, injured, or whatever - he's actively hurting the team and should have his role reduced until he improves.
If they can turn Rose and Fournier into Crowder  
adamg : 11/17/2022 3:22 pm : link
That'd be great.
RE: If they can turn Rose and Fournier into Crowder  
larryflower37 : 11/17/2022 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15911292 adamg said:
Quote:
That'd be great.

Really?
The money isn't close, Crowder is making 10 million on the last year of his deal.
Crowder is a win now player and it moves Cam/Grimes to the zero playtime again.
RE: I wanna gripe about not getting DeJountee Murray again...  
Spider43 : 11/17/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15911204 AG5686 said:
Quote:
But Cam is making me a bit more mollified with his D


So, with the benefit of hindsight, which combo guard would you guys have really wanted last summer: Dejounte, SGA, or Mitchell? I think SGA is in the lead right now...
RE: RE: I wanna gripe about not getting DeJountee Murray again...  
AG5686 : 11/17/2022 4:15 pm : link
In comment 15911340 Spider43 said:
Quote:
In comment 15911204 AG5686 said:


Quote:


But Cam is making me a bit more mollified with his D



So, with the benefit of hindsight, which combo guard would you guys have really wanted last summer: Dejounte, SGA, or Mitchell? I think SGA is in the lead right now...

SGA is better offensively.. but DeJountee is a great 2 way guard...
RE: Cavs have dropped five straight.  
djm : 11/17/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15911160 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
I guess the Garland/Mitchell backcourt has been an issue on defense, as expected.


That's a shame
RE: RE: If they can turn Rose and Fournier into Crowder  
adamg : 11/17/2022 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15911318 larryflower37 said:
Quote:
In comment 15911292 adamg said:


Quote:


That'd be great.


Really?
The money isn't close, Crowder is making 10 million on the last year of his deal.
Crowder is a win now player and it moves Cam/Grimes to the zero playtime again.


It'd probably be Rose for Crowder and filler. I'd rather have Crowder playing minutes than Rose, and it allows us to move Randle.
RE: RE: I wanna gripe about not getting DeJountee Murray again...  
Enzo : 11/17/2022 4:47 pm : link
In comment 15911340 Spider43 said:
Quote:
In comment 15911204 AG5686 said:


Quote:


But Cam is making me a bit more mollified with his D



So, with the benefit of hindsight, which combo guard would you guys have really wanted last summer: Dejounte, SGA, or Mitchell? I think SGA is in the lead right now...

well SGA has never been made available as far as anyone knows...right? But between Murray and Mitchell I'm taking Mitchell. Mitchell is under team control for longer and is more likely to extend his deal (due to cap rules) while still under contract. Murray is almost certainly getting to unrestricted free agency.
RE: Barrett is going to score 25 ppg  
TyreeHelmet : 11/17/2022 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15911006 Vanzetti said:
Quote:
He just has moves around the basket that you can't teach. He is a natural scorer.

He will never be a top ten player because he lacks quickness and hops and is not a great jump shooter.

But he will be a very good player.


You think Barrett will score 25PPG? In what league?

And he is about the furthest thing from a natural scorer I've ever seen.

He's clearly a good guy but he's been a disappointment overall for the Knicks. And this is not just looking at him this season- this is the totality of his nba career.
I'm tired of watching shooting nights like that for RJ  
NoGainDayne : 11/17/2022 5:26 pm : link
I disagree with the idea that if you have open looks you take them. Maybe you should be looking to do something else than post up at the 3 point line if you are shooting that badly.

And the team has a lot of depth, if he is going to be shooting that poorly he shouldn't be on the floor period. He was a -18 last night and the next worst player was Hartenstein at -6. He's 40.2% from the field and was 40.8% last year. That simply is not good enough for the amount of shots he wants to take. That makes him 31st among SGs and 59 among guards this season. You can call him a glue guy all you want, that's fine, he shouldn't be shooting as much as he does.
Barrett has a bug/flu so I'll give him a pass for these past couple  
steve in ky : 11/17/2022 5:31 pm : link
of games because it's obvious he's labored a little being asked to play through it. It's more on the coach for not spelling him a little more, but Thibbs just benched a couple guys and went to this 9 man rotation so I can also understand him not wanting to reverse that immediately.That just complicates things. The bottom line is they are playing better and winning some tough games on the road, hard to complain about that.
RE: I'm tired of watching shooting nights like that for RJ  
steve in ky : 11/17/2022 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15911402 NoGainDayne said:
Quote:
I disagree with the idea that if you have open looks you take them. Maybe you should be looking to do something else than post up at the 3 point line if you are shooting that badly.

And the team has a lot of depth, if he is going to be shooting that poorly he shouldn't be on the floor period. He was a -18 last night and the next worst player was Hartenstein at -6. He's 40.2% from the field and was 40.8% last year. That simply is not good enough for the amount of shots he wants to take. That makes him 31st among SGs and 59 among guards this season. You can call him a glue guy all you want, that's fine, he shouldn't be shooting as much as he does.


Looking at +/- for an individual player, in one individual game, is a lousy stat to draw any inference from.
I just want Rj to play smarter  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2022 5:48 pm : link
i dont need him to be a superstar, i dont need him to carry the team, i just need him to play smarter..

If you are hot, attack by all means go nuts, but if your off, do other things, move the ball, rebound and defend, dont force shots, you dont need to on this team..

Thats all i ask of Rj
RE: I just want Rj to play smarter  
steve in ky : 11/17/2022 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15911425 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
i dont need him to be a superstar, i dont need him to carry the team, i just need him to play smarter..

If you are hot, attack by all means go nuts, but if your off, do other things, move the ball, rebound and defend, dont force shots, you dont need to on this team..

Thats all i ask of Rj


It is frustrating to see him keep shooting three's when it's appears he is too under the weather to be effective. What we don't know, and I'm curious of, is what the coaches are telling him to do. Maybe they are telling him if you're open and the ball gets kicked out to you keep shooting.
RE: RE: I just want Rj to play smarter  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2022 5:57 pm : link
In comment 15911427 steve in ky said:
Quote:
In comment 15911425 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


i dont need him to be a superstar, i dont need him to carry the team, i just need him to play smarter..

If you are hot, attack by all means go nuts, but if your off, do other things, move the ball, rebound and defend, dont force shots, you dont need to on this team..

Thats all i ask of Rj



It is frustrating to see him keep shooting three's when it's appears he is too under the weather to be effective. What we don't know, and I'm curious of, is what the coaches are telling him to do. Maybe they are telling him if you're open and the ball gets kicked out to you keep shooting.


I dont mind those shots if you are wide open you got to take the shot, but i saw a few times where a guy was rotating to him and either had Randle or cam or Brunson open and all he had to do was swing it but instead took the shot..

I am not going to kill him for missing iq at the end of the 1st quarter, i dont think he saw him
The plays that bothers me the most  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2022 5:59 pm : link
is he will drive and the defender in the corner will slide in leaving the corner man wide open and instead of the easy kick he shoots off balance floater/runner..

Make the pass..Id rsther Rj be at 16 or 17 ppg at 45% shooting than 20 or 21 at 40%
I'm still giving him a pass for these games he's being asked to  
steve in ky : 11/17/2022 6:02 pm : link
play through the flu, or whatever it is. It's obvious he is sapped of energy.
RE: I'm still giving him a pass for these games he's being asked to  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2022 6:23 pm : link
In comment 15911440 steve in ky said:
Quote:
play through the flu, or whatever it is. It's obvious he is sapped of energy.
'

'Flu is for mere mortals.'-Michael Jordan, Haha.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2022 6:24 pm : link
Crowder? Huh? What's the point in doing that? I'd HATE that move.
The Randle we all need  
larryflower37 : 11/17/2022 6:25 pm : link
From the Strickland
Quote:
Gotta start with Randle. If you missed my tweet last night here's a stat that'll let you know why this Randle 34-point effort was different; of his 11 FGM, only 2 came in pure isolation. He scored 12 of the team's first 14 points, and all baskets were assisted.
RE: RE: I'm still giving him a pass for these games he's being asked to  
steve in ky : 11/17/2022 6:26 pm : link
In comment 15911472 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
In comment 15911440 steve in ky said:


Quote:


play through the flu, or whatever it is. It's obvious he is sapped of energy.

'

'Flu is for mere mortals.'-Michael Jordan, Haha.


haha
Twitter Zonahoops  
larryflower37 : 11/17/2022 6:28 pm : link
A source tells me the deal that fell apart last night including Crowder was with Milwaukee and Houston.

Framework was Crowder to Bucks, Grayson to Houston, Gordon to Suns.
Twitter - ( New Window )
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2022 6:30 pm : link
Non Knicks related, but the LAL being 3-10...warms my heart.
RE: ...  
Anakim : 11/17/2022 6:32 pm : link
In comment 15911489 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
Non Knicks related, but the LAL being 3-10...warms my heart.


Bet you the lottery is rigged so they get either Wemba or Scoot
RE: RE: ...  
Mike from SI : 11/17/2022 6:37 pm : link
In comment 15911490 Anakim said:
Quote:
In comment 15911489 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


Quote:


Non Knicks related, but the LAL being 3-10...warms my heart.



Bet you the lottery is rigged so they get either Wemba or Scoot


If they get Wemba I'd lose it.
Completely forgot about Gordon in Houston.  
bceagle05 : 11/17/2022 6:38 pm : link
I think it’s about time they ship him to a good team.
Pelicans have their pick I believe.  
bceagle05 : 11/17/2022 6:39 pm : link
Wemby, Zion, Ingram, McCollum and all those young role players.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2022 6:41 pm : link
I think the Pels own the LAL first round pick in '23.
Oh nice  
Anakim : 11/17/2022 6:54 pm : link
Makes it more palatable
The hell  
TommyWiseau : 11/17/2022 7:04 pm : link
We gonna do with Crowder?
The Lakers have been horrible for years  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/17/2022 7:48 pm : link
Except for one half-season in the covid bubble.
RE: The Lakers have been horrible for years  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2022 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15911550 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
Except for one half-season in the covid bubble.


Put an asterisk next to that title. I do.
RE: The Lakers have been horrible for years  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2022 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15911550 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
Except for one half-season in the covid bubble.


Yup and they are protected by the media, jeannie buss is one of the worst owners in sports
nygiants16.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2022 7:58 pm : link
But everyone in the media loves Jeanie.
RE: nygiants16.  
nygiants16 : 11/17/2022 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15911557 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
But everyone in the media loves Jeanie.


Because she has mouthpieces all over the place
RE: RE: I'm still giving him a pass for these games he's being asked to  
djm : 11/18/2022 10:12 am : link
In comment 15911472 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
In comment 15911440 steve in ky said:


Quote:


play through the flu, or whatever it is. It's obvious he is sapped of energy.

'

'Flu is for mere mortals.'-Michael Jordan, Haha.


Jordan didn't have the flu. He had food poisoning. Bad enough but not the flu. And I would bet he was not about to puke when he actually played that game. If he was puking he aint playing.

Same with Emmitt Smith's overstated shoulder injury in 93. BArkley is probably playing with a similar injury week after week and he's not getting the Smith treatment.
RE: ...  
djm : 11/18/2022 10:13 am : link
In comment 15911506 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
Quote:
I think the Pels own the LAL first round pick in '23.


That's incredible. Fuck them.
According to Shams  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2022 11:19 am : link
Knicks have shown a willingness to discuss Rose and Quickley in deals to try and remove glut..

I am guessing Fournier is in this as well but nobody wants him
According to Begs  
nygiants16 : 11/18/2022 11:21 am : link
Teams have cursory talks with Knicks involving Rose
RE: According to Shams  
djm : 11/18/2022 11:22 am : link
In comment 15911980 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
Knicks have shown a willingness to discuss Rose and Quickley in deals to try and remove glut..

I am guessing Fournier is in this as well but nobody wants him


I don't want to lose IQ--he plays both ends. I hope any deal brings back a legit starter.
RE: According to Begs  
BigBlueShock : 11/18/2022 11:25 am : link
In comment 15911984 nygiants16 said:
Quote:
Teams have cursory talks with Knicks involving Rose

That might be the move to finally break Thibs…
Rose is the obvious move, assuming no Fournier market (LOL)  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2022 12:41 pm : link
Grimes takes Rose's spot (playing with IQ off the bench) and you keep the nine-man rotation.
Schmeelk continues to deliver the best Knicks takes...  
bceagle05 : 11/18/2022 1:44 pm : link
I've linked the Knicks Film School convo with him and Macri below.

He defends Thibs a bit. Fournier's already out of the rotation, Cam is playing big minutes, IQ is playing way more than Rose, and Obi and Randle are playing together more in small lineups.

Also, player development is a big plus - Cam, Obi, Quickley have all improved noticeably. RJ's the same guy he was at Duke, unfortunately. Hard to argue.

KnicksFilmSchool - ( New Window )
RE: Schmeelk continues to deliver the best Knicks takes...  
steve in ky : 11/18/2022 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15912186 bceagle05 said:
Quote:
I've linked the Knicks Film School convo with him and Macri below.

He defends Thibs a bit. Fournier's already out of the rotation, Cam is playing big minutes, IQ is playing way more than Rose, and Obi and Randle are playing together more in small lineups.

Also, player development is a big plus - Cam, Obi, Quickley have all improved noticeably. RJ's the same guy he was at Duke, unfortunately. Hard to argue. KnicksFilmSchool - ( New Window )


I agree and been saying some of that myself. I don’t get the hate everything Thibbs take so many here seem to have.
Pages: 1 2 3 <<Prev | Show All |
Back to the Corner