This is the thread for "real" Knicks fans and not the pretenders in the other thread who want to trade and fire anyone who even works nears MSG including the cashier at the pizza place across the street.
Damn, we got a good team this year and it's only going to get better
At the very least, they are fun to watch. Sims’ D and board at the end of the game was huge.
Even those of you drinking the RandleHateraid...need to admit he played outstanding!!!!
RJ is clearly under the weather,and probably should not have played so many minutes.
Cam,Brunson,IQ all stepping up
I had a feeling this road trip would be a bonding experience and so far it has been.
Alls great in Knicks land after beating Denver without their perennial MVP candidate! Bring out the real fan pom poms! Championship, baby!
He is. He's been really good this year on defense.
But settle down, everyone. It's still early and we're still trying to get over injuries and new faces. Don't get too up, or too down. Look at our own G-Men. Enjoy it, but be realistic about things.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it
the guy is sick...cmon man
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i am kidding, kind of 😉😄
the guy is sick...cmon man
It was a joke
but being sick is not an excuse for how he played last night and i am jist going to leave it at that..
Let Quickley or even Grimes play the 2.
Randle has some mental issues all the talent in the world but insanely inconsistent in every part of the game. Last night took the ball to the rim, boxed out offensively and played lock down D in the 4th. He flashed like this in January of last season and it fell off in a hurry.
I don't think anyone trusts him outside of Thibs in the NBA.
No Robinson for Knicks helped Denver
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No Jokic obviously helped.
No Robinson for Knicks helped Denver
Jokic is a weeeeeeeeeeee bit better than Mitch
I thought he was referring to the Sbarro's on 7th Avenue, that place can definitely go.
Alls great in Knicks land after beating Denver without their perennial MVP candidate! Bring out the real fan pom poms! Championship, baby!
You're a hard man to please...
RJ is a long way from his Prime and hopefully he continues to grow and his efficiency improves I don't think he is topped out yet.
Is he a star and will he be absolutely not everyone needs to lower the bar on him.
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i am kidding, kind of 😉😄
the guy is sick...cmon man
It was a joke
but being sick is not an excuse for how he played last night and i am jist going to leave it at that..
I mean... isn't being sick EXACTLY an excuse for how he played last night? Can we hold off on the doom and gloom for a bit?
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i am kidding, kind of 😉😄
the guy is sick...cmon man
It was a joke
but being sick is not an excuse for how he played last night and i am jist going to leave it at that..
I mean... isn't being sick EXACTLY an excuse for how he played last night? Can we hold off on the doom and gloom for a bit?
What did i say that was doom and gloom?
Hey, I don't make the rules on BBI. But once one segment of the fan base starts calling themselves real fans then it's too late for the other side of the argument to claim that title. So in this case, the optimistic Knicks fans are the real ones while it's the opposite in the Giant game threads.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it
No, you
Its not an excuse, i didnt say he sucks, i didnt say he has sucked all year, i didnt say trade him (it was a joke)..
But being sick and being sluggish is one thing, playing selfish, forcing shots is another and it ia not something new or because he was sick..
then I'm going to threaten to delete this thread...
Just kidding. But seriously, I think JR has adjusted his game to Brunson skills more quickly than RJ
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Playing really good defense this year.
He is. He's been really good this year on defense.
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Playing really good defense this year.
He is. He's been really good this year on defense.
His 3-point shooting seems to have taken a step back and we rarely see that floater anymore. I figure he's working on sort of breaking down and rebuilding his game on offense, thinking more like a point guard. But he seemed to be on his way to being a logo shooter, and the Knicks could sure use that. Not complaining, just hoping for more from the kid.
Quickley has learned how to effect the game without scoring, when he gets hot its awesome plus but he is effecting the gMe playing defense, rebounding and getting others open shots
IQ
Cam
Obi
JR
Do it…
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Playing really good defense this year.
He is. He's been really good this year on defense.
His 3-point shooting seems to have taken a step back and we rarely see that floater anymore. I figure he's working on sort of breaking down and rebuilding his game on offense, thinking more like a point guard. But he seemed to be on his way to being a logo shooter, and the Knicks could sure use that. Not complaining, just hoping for more from the kid.
I think he lent his floater to Hart... he might be taking it back soon...
Alls great in Knicks land after beating Denver without their perennial MVP candidate! Bring out the real fan pom poms! Championship, baby!
Yea the OP is a little....odd....but these were 2 huge wins no matter who played. 2 road wins against 2 winning teams right as the bottom appeared to be dropping out... you can't understate that.
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No Jokic obviously helped.
No Robinson for Knicks helped Denver
Jokic is a weeeeeeeeeeee bit better than Mitch
Who fucking cares? You ever smile?
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"being sick is not an excuse for how he played last night and i am jist going to leave it at that.."
Its not an excuse, i didnt say he sucks, i didnt say he has sucked all year, i didnt say trade him (it was a joke)..
But being sick and being sluggish is one thing, playing selfish, forcing shots is another and it ia not something new or because he was sick..
Not trying to be combative, but to me, that's a negative take. Like, it is an excuse that he's sick. If he's on the floor, he's going to play like he's going to play. He usually takes those shots, if he feels good maybe he makes them.
I mean Thibs surely knew that my dude was sick. Randle apparently was sick too. But if you guy who just doesn't have it, play someone else. I think you have to be mindful of all that.
Every fucking thread every game...same lamenting same worry same shit. Fucking relax. Same with NYG threads.
Count me as a member of the Cam Fan Club
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"being sick is not an excuse for how he played last night and i am jist going to leave it at that.."
Its not an excuse, i didnt say he sucks, i didnt say he has sucked all year, i didnt say trade him (it was a joke)..
But being sick and being sluggish is one thing, playing selfish, forcing shots is another and it ia not something new or because he was sick..
Not trying to be combative, but to me, that's a negative take. Like, it is an excuse that he's sick. If he's on the floor, he's going to play like he's going to play. He usually takes those shots, if he feels good maybe he makes them.
I mean Thibs surely knew that my dude was sick. Randle apparently was sick too. But if you guy who just doesn't have it, play someone else. I think you have to be mindful of all that.
But if you are not feeling it, there is no reason to keep chucking, i am sorry i dont buy that as an excuse to keep shooting..
Find a different way to effect the game, you feel sick? ok use your energy on defense and rebound and the other players will pick up the slack, which they did..
Cam took 5 shots last night, did he make an impact? IQ scored 6 points did he make an impact?
Its not jist about scoring and Rj has not realized that yet, its why he is horribly ineffecient
Every fucking thread every game...same lamenting same worry same shit. Fucking relax. Same with NYG threads.
I am sorry but that is ridiculous, so we arent supposed to criticize a player in year 4 who continues to do the same shit he did his rookie year?
Sure he can score 20ppg but he is horribly ineffecient, you cant win with a player like that, its the same shit we say about Julius..
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"being sick is not an excuse for how he played last night and i am jist going to leave it at that.."
Its not an excuse, i didnt say he sucks, i didnt say he has sucked all year, i didnt say trade him (it was a joke)..
But being sick and being sluggish is one thing, playing selfish, forcing shots is another and it ia not something new or because he was sick..
Not trying to be combative, but to me, that's a negative take. Like, it is an excuse that he's sick. If he's on the floor, he's going to play like he's going to play. He usually takes those shots, if he feels good maybe he makes them.
I mean Thibs surely knew that my dude was sick. Randle apparently was sick too. But if you guy who just doesn't have it, play someone else. I think you have to be mindful of all that.
But if you are not feeling it, there is no reason to keep chucking, i am sorry i dont buy that as an excuse to keep shooting..
Find a different way to effect the game, you feel sick? ok use your energy on defense and rebound and the other players will pick up the slack, which they did..
Cam took 5 shots last night, did he make an impact? IQ scored 6 points did he make an impact?
Its not jist about scoring and Rj has not realized that yet, its why he is horribly ineffecient
Is definitely an issue...no doubt,and Thibs may need help in coaching him out of it....
Not everyone is going to have the MJ flu game. I'm sure the coaching staff was aware that he was sick. If they don't like the way you're playing, you should sit.
I really like djm's post. RJ's fine. I want him to be better, I want him to be more efficient, but he's fine as he is.
Not everyone is going to have the MJ flu game. I'm sure the coaching staff was aware that he was sick. If they don't like the way you're playing, you should sit.
I really like djm's post. RJ's fine. I want him to be better, I want him to be more efficient, but he's fine as he is.
No he is not fine as he is, i am sorry he is not..
You cant continue to have games where you go 8 for 18 and score 19 or 20 points..
My problem is he shouldn't have been out there, but we beat the Thibs substitution problems to death and this is a positive thread for the real fans...so I will decline to discuss it.
I am not sure how you can say he's the same player he was when he came into the league. He's a better shooter, he gets to the line more, he's better defensively.
I do think he's a bad fit with Randle, so that's something to consider.
I'm just not ready to jump out the window because he had a really bad game when we knew he was sick.
we can do this with dozens of greats that needed 2-3-4-5 years to emerge as a true star.
Daniel Jones was never going to improve in year 4 either. Let's line up the experts who screamed that crap from the hilltops every day around here.
Jimmy Butler. There's one. Should I keep going?
I don't even want to get into it--RJB might be what he is, a tough, 2 way player who can avg 18-20 and sometimes be erratic. Ok...deal with it. Or maybe he turns into a mega star...unlikely sure, but don't tell anything with a 22 year old is a certainty. Save it.
And greg you said Reddish FUCKING SUCKED. You were wrong. Move on.
Life is too fucking short.
I am not sure how you can say he's the same player he was when he came into the league. He's a better shooter, he gets to the line more, he's better defensively.
I do think he's a bad fit with Randle, so that's something to consider.
I'm just not ready to jump out the window because he had a really bad game when we knew he was sick.
I am not trying to argue with you, but is he really a better shooter?
and its not just 1 game, its been like this for pretty much all year, he had a good 5 or 6 game stretch and then went right back..
and is he really much better? he averages 4 more points but takes 3 more shots, his shooting percentage is the same, 3 point is much worse, he goes to the free throw line .5 times more than his rookie year and efg% is still terrible..
i mean it sucks to do but if you really look at it, where has he improved? Rebounding the same, assists the same, turnovers the same
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but if you are actually honest with yourself, watching Rj do you honestly see star or something that can catipult him to becoming a star?
we can do this with dozens of greats that needed 2-3-4-5 years to emerge as a true star.
Daniel Jones was never going to improve in year 4 either. Let's line up the experts who screamed that crap from the hilltops every day around here.
Jimmy Butler. There's one. Should I keep going?
I don't even want to get into it--RJB might be what he is, a tough, 2 way player who can avg 18-20 and sometimes be erratic. Ok...deal with it. Or maybe he turns into a mega star...unlikely sure, but don't tell anything with a 22 year old is a certainty. Save it.
And greg you said Reddish FUCKING SUCKED. You were wrong. Move on.
Stop it, please name the superstar that took 4 or 5 years to develop..
Butler by year 4 was an all star.
Stop it, please name the superstar that took 4 or 5 years to develop..
Butler by year 4 was an all star.
Jokic was an all-star in year 4 (aage 23) but didnt become a megastar until year 6. Not saying Barrett will be a Jokic like player - but it does take players some years to develop their body to match their game.
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Stop it, please name the superstar that took 4 or 5 years to develop..
Butler by year 4 was an all star.
Jokic was an all-star in year 4 (aage 23) but didnt become a megastar until year 6. Not saying Barrett will be a Jokic like player - but it does take players some years to develop their body to match their game.
Jokic by year 2 was averaging 17, 9 and 6 on 56% shooting
Feel better!!!
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Stop it, please name the superstar that took 4 or 5 years to develop..
Butler by year 4 was an all star.
Jokic was an all-star in year 4 (aage 23) but didnt become a megastar until year 6. Not saying Barrett will be a Jokic like player - but it does take players some years to develop their body to match their game.
Jokic by year 2 was averaging 17, 9 and 6 on 56% shooting
And shot under 50% in year 4. It took time for him to develop and become a dominant player in the league.
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Stop it, please name the superstar that took 4 or 5 years to develop..
Butler by year 4 was an all star.
Jokic was an all-star in year 4 (aage 23) but didnt become a megastar until year 6. Not saying Barrett will be a Jokic like player - but it does take players some years to develop their body to match their game.
Jokic by year 2 was averaging 17, 9 and 6 on 56% shooting
And shot under 50% in year 4. It took time for him to develop and become a dominant player in the league.
my point is you saw something early, with 99% of stars in this league you see it early, it make take them a 3 or 4 years to make their mark but you see it earlier than that..
Rarely does a guy have average years 1-4 and then all of sudden becomes a star
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I’m feverish and quick to the trigger. Peace and love. You wanna worry be my guest. I get it.
Feel better!!!
I do feel better thx--less achy--i can deal with the fever. The aches last night were fucking brutal.
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I’m feverish and quick to the trigger. Peace and love. You wanna worry be my guest. I get it.
Feel better!!!
I do feel better thx--less achy--i can deal with the fever. The aches last night were fucking brutal.
yeah my fever never got to bad, but the aches suck, my wife had the headache and aches
He will never be a top ten player because he lacks quickness and hops and is not a great jump shooter.
But he will be a very good player.
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Just about to post this lol, According to stein he thinks a deal is getting close for Crowder, not necassarily to Knicks but in general..
Jake Fischer said he is hesring a 3 team deal is getting closer
lol, Fournier you would think would be in the deal or Rose
Crowder can play the 2-3-4 good versatile wing
This team needs to consolidate minutes and players.
Really?
The money isn't close, Crowder is making 10 million on the last year of his deal.
Crowder is a win now player and it moves Cam/Grimes to the zero playtime again.
So, with the benefit of hindsight, which combo guard would you guys have really wanted last summer: Dejounte, SGA, or Mitchell? I think SGA is in the lead right now...
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But Cam is making me a bit more mollified with his D
So, with the benefit of hindsight, which combo guard would you guys have really wanted last summer: Dejounte, SGA, or Mitchell? I think SGA is in the lead right now...
SGA is better offensively.. but DeJountee is a great 2 way guard...
That's a shame
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That'd be great.
Really?
The money isn't close, Crowder is making 10 million on the last year of his deal.
Crowder is a win now player and it moves Cam/Grimes to the zero playtime again.
It'd probably be Rose for Crowder and filler. I'd rather have Crowder playing minutes than Rose, and it allows us to move Randle.
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But Cam is making me a bit more mollified with his D
So, with the benefit of hindsight, which combo guard would you guys have really wanted last summer: Dejounte, SGA, or Mitchell? I think SGA is in the lead right now...
well SGA has never been made available as far as anyone knows...right? But between Murray and Mitchell I'm taking Mitchell. Mitchell is under team control for longer and is more likely to extend his deal (due to cap rules) while still under contract. Murray is almost certainly getting to unrestricted free agency.
He will never be a top ten player because he lacks quickness and hops and is not a great jump shooter.
But he will be a very good player.
You think Barrett will score 25PPG? In what league?
And he is about the furthest thing from a natural scorer I've ever seen.
He's clearly a good guy but he's been a disappointment overall for the Knicks. And this is not just looking at him this season- this is the totality of his nba career.
And the team has a lot of depth, if he is going to be shooting that poorly he shouldn't be on the floor period. He was a -18 last night and the next worst player was Hartenstein at -6. He's 40.2% from the field and was 40.8% last year. That simply is not good enough for the amount of shots he wants to take. That makes him 31st among SGs and 59 among guards this season. You can call him a glue guy all you want, that's fine, he shouldn't be shooting as much as he does.
And the team has a lot of depth, if he is going to be shooting that poorly he shouldn't be on the floor period. He was a -18 last night and the next worst player was Hartenstein at -6. He's 40.2% from the field and was 40.8% last year. That simply is not good enough for the amount of shots he wants to take. That makes him 31st among SGs and 59 among guards this season. You can call him a glue guy all you want, that's fine, he shouldn't be shooting as much as he does.
Looking at +/- for an individual player, in one individual game, is a lousy stat to draw any inference from.
If you are hot, attack by all means go nuts, but if your off, do other things, move the ball, rebound and defend, dont force shots, you dont need to on this team..
Thats all i ask of Rj
If you are hot, attack by all means go nuts, but if your off, do other things, move the ball, rebound and defend, dont force shots, you dont need to on this team..
Thats all i ask of Rj
It is frustrating to see him keep shooting three's when it's appears he is too under the weather to be effective. What we don't know, and I'm curious of, is what the coaches are telling him to do. Maybe they are telling him if you're open and the ball gets kicked out to you keep shooting.
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i dont need him to be a superstar, i dont need him to carry the team, i just need him to play smarter..
If you are hot, attack by all means go nuts, but if your off, do other things, move the ball, rebound and defend, dont force shots, you dont need to on this team..
Thats all i ask of Rj
It is frustrating to see him keep shooting three's when it's appears he is too under the weather to be effective. What we don't know, and I'm curious of, is what the coaches are telling him to do. Maybe they are telling him if you're open and the ball gets kicked out to you keep shooting.
I dont mind those shots if you are wide open you got to take the shot, but i saw a few times where a guy was rotating to him and either had Randle or cam or Brunson open and all he had to do was swing it but instead took the shot..
I am not going to kill him for missing iq at the end of the 1st quarter, i dont think he saw him
Make the pass..Id rsther Rj be at 16 or 17 ppg at 45% shooting than 20 or 21 at 40%
'Flu is for mere mortals.'-Michael Jordan, Haha.
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play through the flu, or whatever it is. It's obvious he is sapped of energy.
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'Flu is for mere mortals.'-Michael Jordan, Haha.
haha
Framework was Crowder to Bucks, Grayson to Houston, Gordon to Suns.
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Bet you the lottery is rigged so they get either Wemba or Scoot
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Non Knicks related, but the LAL being 3-10...warms my heart.
Bet you the lottery is rigged so they get either Wemba or Scoot
If they get Wemba I'd lose it.
Put an asterisk next to that title. I do.
Yup and they are protected by the media, jeannie buss is one of the worst owners in sports
Because she has mouthpieces all over the place
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play through the flu, or whatever it is. It's obvious he is sapped of energy.
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'Flu is for mere mortals.'-Michael Jordan, Haha.
Jordan didn't have the flu. He had food poisoning. Bad enough but not the flu. And I would bet he was not about to puke when he actually played that game. If he was puking he aint playing.
Same with Emmitt Smith's overstated shoulder injury in 93. BArkley is probably playing with a similar injury week after week and he's not getting the Smith treatment.
That's incredible. Fuck them.
I am guessing Fournier is in this as well but nobody wants him
I am guessing Fournier is in this as well but nobody wants him
I don't want to lose IQ--he plays both ends. I hope any deal brings back a legit starter.
That might be the move to finally break Thibs…
He defends Thibs a bit. Fournier's already out of the rotation, Cam is playing big minutes, IQ is playing way more than Rose, and Obi and Randle are playing together more in small lineups.
Also, player development is a big plus - Cam, Obi, Quickley have all improved noticeably. RJ's the same guy he was at Duke, unfortunately. Hard to argue.
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He defends Thibs a bit. Fournier's already out of the rotation, Cam is playing big minutes, IQ is playing way more than Rose, and Obi and Randle are playing together more in small lineups.
Also, player development is a big plus - Cam, Obi, Quickley have all improved noticeably. RJ's the same guy he was at Duke, unfortunately. Hard to argue. KnicksFilmSchool - ( New Window )
I agree and been saying some of that myself. I don’t get the hate everything Thibbs take so many here seem to have.