and say Daboll and Schoen got this one wrong. Its not a black eye by any means, but something tells me Toney is gonna be a really good player in this league.
No matter what Toney does in KC, it still doesn't mean that JS/BD got this one wrong.
Maybe the trade was a wake up call for Toney (not that he'd ever admit it), and if that's the case, he never would have come close to his potential without that wake up call.
I would compare it to Cris Carter with the Eagles (though the specific circumstances are very different when substance abuse is involved). Carter went on to have a HOF career with the Vikings, and it would stand to reason that the Eagles made a mistake by giving up on him. But he never would have had that HOF career if the Eagles hadn't given up on him.
Toney was a waste of space with the Giants, and nothing that he does with the Chiefs will retroactively make him less of a waste for his time with the Giants.
And you guys can be completely right and I am 100% off. But there is two sides to every story and we basically know the HC and GM side. Something was off from the get go with Toney here. I am not doubting that. I just hate seeing talented players go to waste on a team that needs them.
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I am just pointing out the inconsistencies of the post. Garrett is to blame for Toney checking out? He had his best gmae as a Giant under Garrett. That was 2 OCs ago. This team didn't magically transform into the greatest show on turf when they fired Garrett is my point. But I appreciate the vigalante BBI justice.
You coming here to defend Jason Garrett just proves you are Debaser. Way to out yourself.
I am just pointing out the inconsistencies of the post. Garrett is to blame for Toney checking out? He had his best gmae as a Giant under Garrett. That was 2 OCs ago. This team didn't magically transform into the greatest show on turf when they fired Garrett is my point. But I appreciate the vigalante BBI justice.
You coming here to defend Jason Garrett just proves you are Debaser. Way to out yourself.
I'm open to hearing some facts from Toney's side that would justify his disgruntled attitude towards the Giants, but you never provide any. You're always quick to defend him or act exasperated when others attack his character. You were even surprised that the Giants traded him. Do you have anything to back it up?
Do you have anything to back up the claims that he was faking injury, didn’t want to play and that he lacks intelligence? I can’t speak for eyebrow, but for me, all I’ve ever said is that we don’t know anything. We can assume and we can speculate, but we can’t present any of that as fact and without facts, without evidence, the vitriol and venom directed at this kid is unwarranted and really shows a feeling of entitlement that is far beyond what is deserved. The same shit happened with McKinney and all the assumptions about his character. I simply wish people would stop presenting what they THINK as indisputable fact. That’s all. But by all means, let’s keep dogging the kid.
Also: this shit where people who don’t like hip hop are making fun of Toney’s music is pretty ugly. You can’t judge talent when you don’t even like the genre. Is he the next Kendrick Lamar or Eric Jamaal? Nah. But his music isn’t bad. If he had better production I could see him being successful. But there was nothing to suggest that his hamstring was a front so he could work on his music. He was at the facility the whole time. Getting treatment, working out, etc.
We can make up all the feel good stories in the world and cite whatever rumors we want to believe, but this was a failure.
Trading him was a loss of draft capital and considering the state of the WR corps, it was totally nonsense. The organization needed to make it work, at least until offseason.
The guy has played 2 games since being traded. The first game he had 2 catches for 12 yards. How is this a failure right now? It’s literally comical to see some of these comments. When he puts together a string of games where he actually plays and produces then you can start making these comments. Until then, these are just plain stupid.
RE: He was a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma,
but who cares? He's not Russian back to the Giants anytime soon...
You say that, while overlooking those of us who thought he was a headcase when he was drafted, saw trouble brewing from his first practice and have been saying the guy is a problem ever since. For some of us, it was easy to see what he was from the get go.
I trust Kelce still has enough functioning brain cells....
I'm open to hearing some facts from Toney's side that would justify his disgruntled attitude towards the Giants, but you never provide any. You're always quick to defend him or act exasperated when others attack his character. You were even surprised that the Giants traded him. Do you have anything to back it up?
Do you have anything to back up the claims that he was faking injury, didn’t want to play and that he lacks intelligence? I can’t speak for eyebrow, but for me, all I’ve ever said is that we don’t know anything. We can assume and we can speculate, but we can’t present any of that as fact and without facts, without evidence, the vitriol and venom directed at this kid is unwarranted and really shows a feeling of entitlement that is far beyond what is deserved. The same shit happened with McKinney and all the assumptions about his character. I simply wish people would stop presenting what they THINK as indisputable fact. That’s all. But by all means, let’s keep dogging the kid.
Also: this shit where people who don’t like hip hop are making fun of Toney’s music is pretty ugly. You can’t judge talent when you don’t even like the genre. Is he the next Kendrick Lamar or Eric Jamaal? Nah. But his music isn’t bad. If he had better production I could see him being successful. But there was nothing to suggest that his hamstring was a front so he could work on his music. He was at the facility the whole time. Getting treatment, working out, etc.
Eyebrow is actually the person you are responding to.
We can make up all the feel good stories in the world and cite whatever rumors we want to believe, but this was a failure.
Trading him was a loss of draft capital and considering the state of the WR corps, it was totally nonsense. The organization needed to make it work, at least until offseason.
The guy has played 2 games since being traded. The first game he had 2 catches for 12 yards. How is this a failure right now? It’s literally comical to see some of these comments. When he puts together a string of games where he actually plays and produces then you can start making these comments. Until then, these are just plain stupid.
And as silly as the term 'draft capital' is, the trade was literally a gain rather than a loss. Once you pick a player, that draft capital is gone. The trade ended up giving the Giants more future picks than they had before, hence a gain of draft capital.
Probably the only thing that matters. Toney wasn't able - or willing - to get on the field. Not in practice, not in games.
All the other thoughts around him are secondary to that.
Someone please explain what the Giants staff could have done to change that? I think they did everything they could short of bribing him or physically dragging his ass out there.
We can make up all the feel good stories in the world and cite whatever rumors we want to believe, but this was a failure.
Trading him was a loss of draft capital and considering the state of the WR corps, it was totally nonsense. The organization needed to make it work, at least until offseason.
The guy has played 2 games since being traded. The first game he had 2 catches for 12 yards. How is this a failure right now? It’s literally comical to see some of these comments. When he puts together a string of games where he actually plays and produces then you can start making these comments. Until then, these are just plain stupid.
I mean, he didn't really play many reps that first game and he was not all the way there with the playbook yet (and may still not be). But he obviously got more snaps last week and the skills are there. I think this is a situation where the Chiefs are going to be really happy with this trade, particularly in the short run, and the Giants are happy to get a malcontent out of their building. Win-win. I'll take the mediocre pick return for a guy that really didn't want to be here.
And I never underestimate the ability of a knucklehead to be a knucklehead again in the future, so at some point, that's the Chiefs' problem. Onward!
and this is one of the weirdest situation I can remember. I don’t care if Toney succeeds or fails, but would love to know the behind the scenes story to all this. Even though I know you won’t because you protect your sources, come on JonC give us something. I’m just curious as hell!
RE: Not much you can do if he didn't want to play here
"Amazing what happens when Toney is with a coaching staff that knows how to use him." cbs sports - ( New Window )
Another brilliant take from that link for Philly:
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The run defense continues to get carved up
And then uses Washington’s 49 carries for 152 yards as the proof of being ‘carved up’. That’s 3.1 ypc, in case you wanted to know cbs’ standards are for poor run defense.
I was only glancing at KC and the Giants when I noticed the Philly headline. I don’t even want to look at the rest of their takes.
I could understand how he would be unhappy last year
But, I can't think of a legitimate reason for him to have wanted out this year. To a man, this team seems to love Daboll and the entire coaching staff. On top of that, the team was winning and in desperate need of WR help. And, on top of that, NYC is certainly an area he could promote himself and his music if he succeeds. The stage was set for him. How was he not begging to be on the field?
he is a young EXTREMELY immature emotional kid. And like many kids, he seems to spend a ton of time on social media. Go back to last year when, from the very beginning of his tenure with the Giants, he was getting involved in back and forths with Giants fans who were giving him crap on Instagram, Twitter, whatever. Im thinking that right there, he decided that NY was not a place where he wanted to play. So he forced his way out. And, of course, as soon as he screws something up in KC, he will hear the same things there -they have social media too -so we will see how it goes. Again, just my theory, but it makes as much sense as anything.
Talented but immature it would seem, but we will never know what really happened.
I understand the frustration of a wasted pick, but the anger and "fuck him" stuff sounds just as juvenile as anything has done.
This board has a tendency to dwell on these things, and act like manchildren. At some point I hope you stop driving by your ex's house.
The anger stems from him *choosing* to be a wasted pick, and this all happened in the past 18 months. If people are still going on and on about Kadarius Toney in two years, then I'd agree with you. At the moment, there are very good reasons to dislike him. I don't bring him up, I don't start threads about him, but I do dislike him quite a bit.
Calls for maturity on a football fan message board strike me as bizarre. We're not analyzing the works of Shakespeare here folks!
Do you watch the NFL? Do you see some of the catches being made? Not every throw has to be perfect. Golladay has been bad. In the NFL you re paid to catch the ball when they throw it to you. If you do it well, they might throw it to you again, that’s how it works
Probably the only thing that matters. Toney wasn't able - or willing - to get on the field. Not in practice, not in games.
All the other thoughts around him are secondary to that.
Someone please explain what the Giants staff could have done to change that? I think they did everything they could short of bribing him or physically dragging his ass out there.
Bingo. Two different front offices and two different head coaches came to the same conclusion about Toney. He didn’t want to practice at times or play. Dan Duggan tweeted sometime during the offseason that Joe Judge and the front office thought Toney could’ve played the final 2 games of the season and Toney just said no.
As I said when the trade was announced, don’t be surprised if Toney is magically 100% healthy or that Andy Reid knows how to use him.
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I agree I do not think it was he did not want to be here per se, I think it was more in line with him being immature and character issues. Obviously, he knows now that he is probably on his last chance to make good, so this is the honeymoon period where he tries to correct his behavior that led to the downfall in NY. The problem is that more often than not, the Honeymoon period fades and the person goes back to the behavior that got them in trouble in the first place. We will see what happens with Kadarius Toney.
How do you square this with your earlier post that this will be viewed as a monumentally bad trade? smh
The guy just helped them win a game with a TD. It's already a bad trade...at least until we see what Schoen does with the pics.
if he traded a player that went on to produce for his next team? I think he’d be vilified for trading Toney under similar circumstances. And no, just because we’re 7-2 doesn’t mean that we can’t be critical of any of Schoen’s decisions because we have a winning record.
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Talented but immature it would seem, but we will never know what really happened.
I understand the frustration of a wasted pick, but the anger and "fuck him" stuff sounds just as juvenile as anything has done.
This board has a tendency to dwell on these things, and act like manchildren. At some point I hope you stop driving by your ex's house.
The anger stems from him *choosing* to be a wasted pick, and this all happened in the past 18 months. If people are still going on and on about Kadarius Toney in two years, then I'd agree with you. At the moment, there are very good reasons to dislike him. I don't bring him up, I don't start threads about him, but I do dislike him quite a bit.
Calls for maturity on a football fan message board strike me as bizarre. We're not analyzing the works of Shakespeare here folks!
You can’t tell the difference between the way Eli and Kadarius Toney approach the game, or are you saying the difference doesn’t matter? Your post is bizarre all due respect.
if he traded a player that went on to produce for his next team? I think he’d be vilified for trading Toney under similar circumstances. And no, just because we’re 7-2 doesn’t mean that we can’t be critical of any of Schoen’s decisions because we have a winning record.
Do you mind letting us know your name and role in the NYG organization?
Your posts, and not just this one, make this fairly obvious.
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Talented but immature it would seem, but we will never know what really happened.
I understand the frustration of a wasted pick, but the anger and "fuck him" stuff sounds just as juvenile as anything has done.
This board has a tendency to dwell on these things, and act like manchildren. At some point I hope you stop driving by your ex's house.
The anger stems from him *choosing* to be a wasted pick, and this all happened in the past 18 months. If people are still going on and on about Kadarius Toney in two years, then I'd agree with you. At the moment, there are very good reasons to dislike him. I don't bring him up, I don't start threads about him, but I do dislike him quite a bit.
Calls for maturity on a football fan message board strike me as bizarre. We're not analyzing the works of Shakespeare here folks!
You can’t tell the difference between the way Eli and Kadarius Toney approach the game, or are you saying the difference doesn’t matter? Your post is bizarre all due respect.
You’re misunderstanding my comment. Not about player maturity/commitment. But in reference to LGG bemoaning posters behaving as manchildren. We’re grown men posting on a football board - there’s no need for us to pretend to be diplomatic about disliking a guy who quit on the team.
Dmage control team with that quote. You know why he was traded. The whole league does. You can pump up your new team mate without being a liar and a shill
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if he traded a player that went on to produce for his next team? I think he’d be vilified for trading Toney under similar circumstances. And no, just because we’re 7-2 doesn’t mean that we can’t be critical of any of Schoen’s decisions because we have a winning record.
Do you mind letting us know your name and role in the NYG organization?
Your posts, and not just this one, make this fairly obvious.
I’m flattered. Being critical of anything relating to the new regime will bring out all sorts of accusations.
RE: RE: Would Gettleman be afforded the same leniency
if he traded a player that went on to produce for his next team? I think he’d be vilified for trading Toney under similar circumstances. And no, just because we’re 7-2 doesn’t mean that we can’t be critical of any of Schoen’s decisions because we have a winning record.
Do you mind letting us know your name and role in the NYG organization?
Your posts, and not just this one, make this fairly obvious.
Whether he will capitalize on his talent is still an open question.
None of us really knows what happens behind the scenes. Maybe he was not salvagable here. Maybe not. Maybe he was reachable with the right buttons pushed. Maybe not. Daboll is proving to be an excellent coach, but he's not perfect. Nobody is.
It would've been really good for the Giants if we were able to get Toney on the field and producing. It didn't happen. I'm sure a lot of the fault is Toneys. I'm sure it was a challenge for the coaching staff.
I trust our coaches and FO a lot. So I'm not going to be extremely critical of them. But big picture, it was a disappointing situation because we need the talent that he has. And it was never actualized here.
if he traded a player that went on to produce for his next team? I think he’d be vilified for trading Toney under similar circumstances. And no, just because we’re 7-2 doesn’t mean that we can’t be critical of any of Schoen’s decisions because we have a winning record.
Do you mind letting us know your name and role in the NYG organization?
Your posts, and not just this one, make this fairly obvious.
I’m flattered. Being critical of anything relating to the new regime will bring out all sorts of accusations.
It’s okay to be critical of any of the NYG regimes if supportable.
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and say Daboll and Schoen got this one wrong. Its not a black eye by any means, but something tells me Toney is gonna be a really good player in this league.
No matter what Toney does in KC, it still doesn't mean that JS/BD got this one wrong.
Maybe the trade was a wake up call for Toney (not that he'd ever admit it), and if that's the case, he never would have come close to his potential without that wake up call.
I would compare it to Cris Carter with the Eagles (though the specific circumstances are very different when substance abuse is involved). Carter went on to have a HOF career with the Vikings, and it would stand to reason that the Eagles made a mistake by giving up on him. But he never would have had that HOF career if the Eagles hadn't given up on him.
Toney was a waste of space with the Giants, and nothing that he does with the Chiefs will retroactively make him less of a waste for his time with the Giants.
And you guys can be completely right and I am 100% off. But there is two sides to every story and we basically know the HC and GM side. Something was off from the get go with Toney here. I am not doubting that. I just hate seeing talented players go to waste on a team that needs them.
I am just pointing out the inconsistencies of the post. Garrett is to blame for Toney checking out? He had his best gmae as a Giant under Garrett. That was 2 OCs ago. This team didn't magically transform into the greatest show on turf when they fired Garrett is my point. But I appreciate the vigalante BBI justice.
You coming here to defend Jason Garrett just proves you are Debaser. Way to out yourself.
I would say Kelce is sick trolling us Giants fans, but he seems like a genuine meathead.
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I am just pointing out the inconsistencies of the post. Garrett is to blame for Toney checking out? He had his best gmae as a Giant under Garrett. That was 2 OCs ago. This team didn't magically transform into the greatest show on turf when they fired Garrett is my point. But I appreciate the vigalante BBI justice.
You coming here to defend Jason Garrett just proves you are Debaser. Way to out yourself.
Who the heck is that?
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Lol.
I'm open to hearing some facts from Toney's side that would justify his disgruntled attitude towards the Giants, but you never provide any. You're always quick to defend him or act exasperated when others attack his character. You were even surprised that the Giants traded him. Do you have anything to back it up?
Also: this shit where people who don’t like hip hop are making fun of Toney’s music is pretty ugly. You can’t judge talent when you don’t even like the genre. Is he the next Kendrick Lamar or Eric Jamaal? Nah. But his music isn’t bad. If he had better production I could see him being successful. But there was nothing to suggest that his hamstring was a front so he could work on his music. He was at the facility the whole time. Getting treatment, working out, etc.
Trading him was a loss of draft capital and considering the state of the WR corps, it was totally nonsense. The organization needed to make it work, at least until offseason.
The guy has played 2 games since being traded. The first game he had 2 catches for 12 yards. How is this a failure right now? It’s literally comical to see some of these comments. When he puts together a string of games where he actually plays and produces then you can start making these comments. Until then, these are just plain stupid.
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Lol.
I'm open to hearing some facts from Toney's side that would justify his disgruntled attitude towards the Giants, but you never provide any. You're always quick to defend him or act exasperated when others attack his character. You were even surprised that the Giants traded him. Do you have anything to back it up?
Do you have anything to back up the claims that he was faking injury, didn’t want to play and that he lacks intelligence? I can’t speak for eyebrow, but for me, all I’ve ever said is that we don’t know anything. We can assume and we can speculate, but we can’t present any of that as fact and without facts, without evidence, the vitriol and venom directed at this kid is unwarranted and really shows a feeling of entitlement that is far beyond what is deserved. The same shit happened with McKinney and all the assumptions about his character. I simply wish people would stop presenting what they THINK as indisputable fact. That’s all. But by all means, let’s keep dogging the kid.
Also: this shit where people who don’t like hip hop are making fun of Toney’s music is pretty ugly. You can’t judge talent when you don’t even like the genre. Is he the next Kendrick Lamar or Eric Jamaal? Nah. But his music isn’t bad. If he had better production I could see him being successful. But there was nothing to suggest that his hamstring was a front so he could work on his music. He was at the facility the whole time. Getting treatment, working out, etc.
Eyebrow is actually the person you are responding to.
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We can make up all the feel good stories in the world and cite whatever rumors we want to believe, but this was a failure.
Trading him was a loss of draft capital and considering the state of the WR corps, it was totally nonsense. The organization needed to make it work, at least until offseason.
The guy has played 2 games since being traded. The first game he had 2 catches for 12 yards. How is this a failure right now? It’s literally comical to see some of these comments. When he puts together a string of games where he actually plays and produces then you can start making these comments. Until then, these are just plain stupid.
And as silly as the term 'draft capital' is, the trade was literally a gain rather than a loss. Once you pick a player, that draft capital is gone. The trade ended up giving the Giants more future picks than they had before, hence a gain of draft capital.
All the other thoughts around him are secondary to that.
Someone please explain what the Giants staff could have done to change that? I think they did everything they could short of bribing him or physically dragging his ass out there.
I agree, I ask myself the same question quite often
Oh wait, he wasn't talking about Hill?
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We can make up all the feel good stories in the world and cite whatever rumors we want to believe, but this was a failure.
Trading him was a loss of draft capital and considering the state of the WR corps, it was totally nonsense. The organization needed to make it work, at least until offseason.
The guy has played 2 games since being traded. The first game he had 2 catches for 12 yards. How is this a failure right now? It’s literally comical to see some of these comments. When he puts together a string of games where he actually plays and produces then you can start making these comments. Until then, these are just plain stupid.
I mean, he didn't really play many reps that first game and he was not all the way there with the playbook yet (and may still not be). But he obviously got more snaps last week and the skills are there. I think this is a situation where the Chiefs are going to be really happy with this trade, particularly in the short run, and the Giants are happy to get a malcontent out of their building. Win-win. I'll take the mediocre pick return for a guy that really didn't want to be here.
And I never underestimate the ability of a knucklehead to be a knucklehead again in the future, so at some point, that's the Chiefs' problem. Onward!
Don't know what happened w/ the Giants, we may never know.
But using my eyes, the guy does everything right when he's on the field and healthy. Plays hard, makes plays, high energy.
Kelce observing the same.
Might just start him in fantasy over Diontae Johnson this weekend.
Another brilliant take from that link for Philly:
I was only glancing at KC and the Giants when I noticed the Philly headline. I don’t even want to look at the rest of their takes.
+1
It was Daboll’s fault. Happened this summer.
He didn’t play Kadarius music loud enough on the practice field.
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Talented but immature it would seem, but we will never know what really happened.
I understand the frustration of a wasted pick, but the anger and "fuck him" stuff sounds just as juvenile as anything has done.
This board has a tendency to dwell on these things, and act like manchildren. At some point I hope you stop driving by your ex's house.
The anger stems from him *choosing* to be a wasted pick, and this all happened in the past 18 months. If people are still going on and on about Kadarius Toney in two years, then I'd agree with you. At the moment, there are very good reasons to dislike him. I don't bring him up, I don't start threads about him, but I do dislike him quite a bit.
Calls for maturity on a football fan message board strike me as bizarre. We're not analyzing the works of Shakespeare here folks!
Do you watch the NFL? Do you see some of the catches being made? Not every throw has to be perfect. Golladay has been bad. In the NFL you re paid to catch the ball when they throw it to you. If you do it well, they might throw it to you again, that’s how it works
All the other thoughts around him are secondary to that.
Someone please explain what the Giants staff could have done to change that? I think they did everything they could short of bribing him or physically dragging his ass out there.
Bingo. Two different front offices and two different head coaches came to the same conclusion about Toney. He didn’t want to practice at times or play. Dan Duggan tweeted sometime during the offseason that Joe Judge and the front office thought Toney could’ve played the final 2 games of the season and Toney just said no.
As I said when the trade was announced, don’t be surprised if Toney is magically 100% healthy or that Andy Reid knows how to use him.
Kelce admittedly doesn't know what happened here.
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I agree I do not think it was he did not want to be here per se, I think it was more in line with him being immature and character issues. Obviously, he knows now that he is probably on his last chance to make good, so this is the honeymoon period where he tries to correct his behavior that led to the downfall in NY. The problem is that more often than not, the Honeymoon period fades and the person goes back to the behavior that got them in trouble in the first place. We will see what happens with Kadarius Toney.
How do you square this with your earlier post that this will be viewed as a monumentally bad trade? smh
The guy just helped them win a game with a TD. It's already a bad trade...at least until we see what Schoen does with the pics.
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Talented but immature it would seem, but we will never know what really happened.
I understand the frustration of a wasted pick, but the anger and "fuck him" stuff sounds just as juvenile as anything has done.
This board has a tendency to dwell on these things, and act like manchildren. At some point I hope you stop driving by your ex's house.
The anger stems from him *choosing* to be a wasted pick, and this all happened in the past 18 months. If people are still going on and on about Kadarius Toney in two years, then I'd agree with you. At the moment, there are very good reasons to dislike him. I don't bring him up, I don't start threads about him, but I do dislike him quite a bit.
Calls for maturity on a football fan message board strike me as bizarre. We're not analyzing the works of Shakespeare here folks!
You can’t tell the difference between the way Eli and Kadarius Toney approach the game, or are you saying the difference doesn’t matter? Your post is bizarre all due respect.
Put this whole clusterfuck behind us…and be done with it
Do you mind letting us know your name and role in the NYG organization?
Your posts, and not just this one, make this fairly obvious.
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Talented but immature it would seem, but we will never know what really happened.
I understand the frustration of a wasted pick, but the anger and "fuck him" stuff sounds just as juvenile as anything has done.
This board has a tendency to dwell on these things, and act like manchildren. At some point I hope you stop driving by your ex's house.
The anger stems from him *choosing* to be a wasted pick, and this all happened in the past 18 months. If people are still going on and on about Kadarius Toney in two years, then I'd agree with you. At the moment, there are very good reasons to dislike him. I don't bring him up, I don't start threads about him, but I do dislike him quite a bit.
Calls for maturity on a football fan message board strike me as bizarre. We're not analyzing the works of Shakespeare here folks!
You can’t tell the difference between the way Eli and Kadarius Toney approach the game, or are you saying the difference doesn’t matter? Your post is bizarre all due respect.
You’re misunderstanding my comment. Not about player maturity/commitment. But in reference to LGG bemoaning posters behaving as manchildren. We’re grown men posting on a football board - there’s no need for us to pretend to be diplomatic about disliking a guy who quit on the team.
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if he traded a player that went on to produce for his next team? I think he’d be vilified for trading Toney under similar circumstances. And no, just because we’re 7-2 doesn’t mean that we can’t be critical of any of Schoen’s decisions because we have a winning record.
Do you mind letting us know your name and role in the NYG organization?
Your posts, and not just this one, make this fairly obvious.
I’m flattered. Being critical of anything relating to the new regime will bring out all sorts of accusations.
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if he traded a player that went on to produce for his next team? I think he’d be vilified for trading Toney under similar circumstances. And no, just because we’re 7-2 doesn’t mean that we can’t be critical of any of Schoen’s decisions because we have a winning record.
Do you mind letting us know your name and role in the NYG organization?
Your posts, and not just this one, make this fairly obvious.
@Mustanglover_.
None of us really knows what happens behind the scenes. Maybe he was not salvagable here. Maybe not. Maybe he was reachable with the right buttons pushed. Maybe not. Daboll is proving to be an excellent coach, but he's not perfect. Nobody is.
It would've been really good for the Giants if we were able to get Toney on the field and producing. It didn't happen. I'm sure a lot of the fault is Toneys. I'm sure it was a challenge for the coaching staff.
I trust our coaches and FO a lot. So I'm not going to be extremely critical of them. But big picture, it was a disappointing situation because we need the talent that he has. And it was never actualized here.
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In comment 15911397 giantBCP said:
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if he traded a player that went on to produce for his next team? I think he’d be vilified for trading Toney under similar circumstances. And no, just because we’re 7-2 doesn’t mean that we can’t be critical of any of Schoen’s decisions because we have a winning record.
Do you mind letting us know your name and role in the NYG organization?
Your posts, and not just this one, make this fairly obvious.
I’m flattered. Being critical of anything relating to the new regime will bring out all sorts of accusations.
It’s okay to be critical of any of the NYG regimes if supportable.
Yours feels more like sour grapes and jealousy.
Because you were on all your poor player moves?
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I feel like they made a poor trade, and they aren’t being called out on it, that’s all.
Because you were on all your poor player moves?
Can you rephrase this question, because I literally don’t understand what you’re trying to say here.
He’s a young player. It’s more likely that he improves.