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Jim in Forest Hills : 11/17/2022 9:29 am
the building."

Cites his intelligence and work ethic.

Obviously we all know why but this kind of article will appear if he plays well.
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He doesn't know?  
Jay on the Island : 11/17/2022 9:31 am : link
Well he sure as hell will find out soon enough.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2022 9:32 am : link
Not this shit again.
Talf to me after the  
section125 : 11/17/2022 9:32 am : link
season...
Does not matter. He wasn't cutting it with the Giants. It is a shame that it did not work out. But I still believe KC's more freewheeling and ad libbing offense works better for him. By that I means Mahomes ability to create out of nothing and chaos.
makes me wonder  
Fat Wally : 11/17/2022 9:33 am : link
if Toney being in New York City was more of the problem then actually the Giants.

We all know he's an aspiring rapper, and obviously NYC has an abundance of opportunities for that type of career. I wonder if he was a little more distracted because of that? Now that he's in KC he probably has less distractions and more time to focus on football?

Who knows, something wasn't right and I trust Schoen and Daboll.
Why was he such a problem here? From day 1 .  
Blue21 : 11/17/2022 9:38 am : link
With two coaching staffs. The last one of which appeared to bend over backwards to make him happy. Now Toney magically appears as the nice guy when he decides he better straighten up after being traded. This way it makes the previous team look bad. Smart guy. We ll see.
I think we will look back  
GNewGiants : 11/17/2022 9:41 am : link
and say Daboll and Schoen got this one wrong. Its not a black eye by any means, but something tells me Toney is gonna be a really good player in this league.
All players talk up their teammates  
Essex : 11/17/2022 9:42 am : link
if Toney performs well and stays healthy, this will be a monumentally bad trade. Kelce's puffery is not going to convince me one way or the other, just pure output week after week will tell the story if we jumped the gun on trading him
How good he is is irrelevant  
widmerseyebrow : 11/17/2022 9:46 am : link
He didn't want to be here: a team that was winning games and desperately needed a receiver.
Wasn’t there a similar love fest when OBJ 1st went to Browns  
steve in ky : 11/17/2022 9:47 am : link
Of course they are going to welcome him, what else would they say?
RE: I think we will look back  
UConn4523 : 11/17/2022 9:47 am : link
In comment 15910696 GNewGiants said:
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and say Daboll and Schoen got this one wrong. Its not a black eye by any means, but something tells me Toney is gonna be a really good player in this league.


If he was never going to play here it just is what it is. Something happened and his time here was done. Everyone knows he has ability but for us that didn’t matter. Daboll setting an example could have a larger long term impact than any 1 player who can’t stay healthy can. Plenty of trades work out for both teams, I can see this being one of them.
It doesn’t make sense outside looking in  
mattlawson : 11/17/2022 9:47 am : link
If you listen to the insiders what you hear is:

Work ethic issues
Injuries not checking out upon treatment
Immaturity
Dishonesty
Distracting practice and pre-game antics

And so on. For whatever reason the relationship soured with the Giants. He didn’t want to be here and the Giants were able to work to get him somewhere he could flourish and get an investment return for a player they didn’t draft.

Consider it a win-win. It didn’t work out here.
People say stuff like  
JB_in_DC : 11/17/2022 9:48 am : link
“I wish him well” wrt Toney.

Eff that. I wish him bad.
It was obvious from day one  
cjac : 11/17/2022 9:49 am : link
that Toney didnt want to be here.

it all started with his shoes not being right

I'm glad we got something for him, and i'm glad he found a situation thats right for him.

RE: How good he is is irrelevant  
rebel yell : 11/17/2022 9:49 am : link
In comment 15910701 widmerseyebrow said:
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He didn't want to be here: a team that was winning games and desperately needed a receiver.


I think this sums it up. We can do all the hand-wringing we want, but it ignores the fact that he didn't produce when he was here and there's a good chance he never wanted to be here. Let it go. It's in the past now.
Bleh  
Spider43 : 11/17/2022 9:52 am : link
I'll trust Shoen's and Daboll's judgement on this one. Good for Joka if he can get his career back on track. But it wasn't gonna' happen here. Irreconcilable differences, move on.
the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/17/2022 9:55 am : link
Giants bent over backwards for Toney. That's just a fact. They were extremely patient with him. There were more than a few whispers that the guy refused to practice even when the team thought he was healthy enough to do so.

The Giants didn't keep him from playing. Toney did. Either because of a ridiculous number of injuries over the span of 18 months or because he didn't want to.

If this was Schoen and Daboll, I think folks would be more apt to take this discussion seriously.
RE: It was obvious from day one  
eric2425ny : 11/17/2022 9:58 am : link
In comment 15910708 cjac said:
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that Toney didnt want to be here.

it all started with his shoes not being right

I'm glad we got something for him, and i'm glad he found a situation thats right for him.


I would agree, but the dude basically has his entire back tattooed with NY, etc. Why would you do that if you didn’t want to play in NY? Makes no sense.
There had to be more  
Joe Beckwith : 11/17/2022 10:01 am : link
to the story since it appears he was traded healthy.
I agree with the poster that implied maybe the NYC area was NOT a good environment for him( maybe off field issues?) .
All the stuff from the ‘wrong shoes’, the lack of interest in the playbook, and the injuries, were an omen this guy was just not interested in the Giants.
Elway didn’t want the Colts.
Eli didn’t want the Chargers.
He may turn out great, but
Sometimes everyone wins with a ‘ move on’.
Schoen will turn one of those draft picks into a contributor , if not both.
RE: RE: It was obvious from day one  
Essex : 11/17/2022 10:02 am : link
In comment 15910719 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 15910708 cjac said:


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that Toney didnt want to be here.

it all started with his shoes not being right

I'm glad we got something for him, and i'm glad he found a situation thats right for him.




I would agree, but the dude basically has his entire back tattooed with NY, etc. Why would you do that if you didn’t want to play in NY? Makes no sense.

I agree I do not think it was he did not want to be here per se, I think it was more in line with him being immature and character issues. Obviously, he knows now that he is probably on his last chance to make good, so this is the honeymoon period where he tries to correct his behavior that led to the downfall in NY. The problem is that more often than not, the Honeymoon period fades and the person goes back to the behavior that got them in trouble in the first place. We will see what happens with Kadarius Toney.
personally  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/17/2022 10:05 am : link
I got tired of looking at him and listening/reading his responses -- there was definitely something off putting about him

Time will tell what KC actually got - he had a few good moments that were exciting when he was a Giant too

I also am developing faith in the Shoen/Daboll regime
Daboll always said  
BigBlue7 : 11/17/2022 10:08 am : link
"hes doing everything to get back on the field"

Words mean nothing.

Any person with half a brain is going to bad mouth a guy on their team
I have never understood what Toney’s problem with NYG was  
Chris684 : 11/17/2022 10:09 am : link
Not that it matters anymore.

Pisses me off that the Chiefs can talk and make us look like idiots and Toney like a victim through the media.

There is no denying the guy is super talented but I don’t recall having a player come through here as mercurial as him.
RE: He doesn't know?  
Tuckrule : 11/17/2022 10:09 am : link
In comment 15910686 Jay on the Island said:
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Well he sure as hell will find out soon enough.


Jealous ex. It’s very likely he’s a good soldier there and a worker. It’s not unfathomable. Guys dog it if they want out. We are allowed to have success and so is he. It’s okay and we all need to accept that. Your life will be a lot easier instead of watching KC and rooting for this kid to implode.
To be fair  
ambr0se201 : 11/17/2022 10:11 am : link
anyone with a smidge of talent, especially speed and elusiveness like him, will thrive in KC's offense. We had to sacrifice his talent because any hint of negative culture had to be removed to help turn this team around.

However, it's going to hurt watching him light it up in the postseason, which i bet he will. But consider it a win win as stated above.
apparently  
Ron Johnson : 11/17/2022 10:12 am : link
he hasn't lost his shoes yet in kc
RE: makes me wonder  
Beef Wellington : 11/17/2022 10:15 am : link
In comment 15910692 Fat Wally said:
[quote] if Toney being in New York City was more of the problem then actually the Giants.

We all know he's an aspiring rapper, and obviously NYC has an abundance of opportunities for that type of career. I wonder if he was a little more distracted because of that? Now that he's in KC he probably has less distractions and more time to focus on football?



Aspiring rapper!! Ha ha ha . What does that even mean? I'm an aspiring Nuclear Scientist. But if I was on the roster of an NFL Football team I'd give up those aspirations in a heart beat.

And by the way how do you identify the talents of an aspiring wrapper? By the paper it's made out of perhaps? The guy didn't posses a brain bottom line.


A teammate isn't going to come out  
Biteymax22 : 11/17/2022 10:18 am : link
after a guy has a good game and say anything but nice things about him. This is almost a non-story to me.

Best of luck to Toney in KC, it wasn't working out here.
Wrong  
AcidTest : 11/17/2022 10:20 am : link
take by Kielce.

The Giants didn't let Toney out of the building. He let himself out. He didn't want to be here. I'm still not sure why, but he didn't. Schoen and Daboll did everything they could to make it work, but at some point they smartly concluded that it was in everyone's best interest to move on. They actually got a lot more for him than I and most people here thought they would.
RE: People say stuff like  
I Love Clams Casino : 11/17/2022 10:21 am : link
In comment 15910706 JB_in_DC said:
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“I wish him well” wrt Toney.

Eff that. I wish him bad.


Yup....screw him....crash and burn MF'er!
I put very little stock in a public statement like that, and this is  
regulator : 11/17/2022 10:22 am : link
still the honeymoon period for Toney in KC. Maybe the sudden change of scenery will jar something loose but a tiger doesn’t usually change his stripes…

I spent some time last week with a major booster of the UF football program and did not hesitate to ask him his opinion on Toney. Rather unsurprisingly, he told me that in college KT wasn’t a troublemaker, generally well-behaved, but had a reputation of being disconnected and noted his off-the-field interests sometimes taking precedence over football. Toney had to be closely managed at UF and he wasn’t at all surprised it didn’t work out for him in New York as a pro.

Take it for what it’s worth. I’m sure the Giants college-heavy coaching staff under Judge felt they could handle Toney, and this group, who inherited him, clearly had less patience.
Sometimes a good kick in the arse  
Beer Man : 11/17/2022 10:22 am : link
is a big motivator. We will see how long it lasts
I don't have any horse in game in AFC  
BSIMatt : 11/17/2022 10:24 am : link
There are a bunch of teams I like over there, and KC, Bills, Bengals were 3 of them. Toney's sideshow going to KC makes it hard for me to pull for them anymore knowing how desperate the Giants are at WR and the shit Toney just pulled with Giants. Think I'll be going for Bills, Cincy and maybe Miami in AFC now even though I'm not a Tua fan at all.

If Toney did that with Judge/Garrett..I could actually understand it..the Giants were a house on fire/sinking ship. To do that with new coaching staff that are absolutely crushing it by every metric...I'm at a loss, it comes off as extraordinarily selfish and I know it's a business but the Giants did their business side of the arrangement and he got paid...and he pulled this nonsense in response. Fuck him.
I think it’s obvious Toney is going to be very, very good  
BillT : 11/17/2022 10:26 am : link
So what. He wasn’t going to be that here. He made that clear. That’s it. Done and done.
The bitterness is  
RicFlair : 11/17/2022 10:26 am : link
Lol.
What are people expecting him to say?  
Mike from Ohio : 11/17/2022 10:27 am : link
"Dude seems like he doesn't give a shit. Hopefully he will give a shit here."

The number of people who get worked up about, or even take seriously, these innocuous platitudes is weird.
Recognizing that he is not going to throw any player under the bus,  
Ivan15 : 11/17/2022 10:30 am : link
DaBoll’s comments about Toney echo his comments about Golladay.
“He is doing everything we ask.”
That may be true, but is he making any extra effort beyond what the coaches are asking him to do? Even if Toney goes on to be a star, he was useless to the Giants.
The situation with Golladay appears to be different than with Toney, but the production is the same.
RE: RE: People say stuff like  
3rdWAM : 11/17/2022 10:30 am : link
In comment 15910756 I Love Clams Casino said:
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In comment 15910706 JB_in_DC said:


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“I wish him well” wrt Toney.

Eff that. I wish him bad.



Yup....screw him....crash and burn MF'er!


Agree, he was a weird dude from jump, what was up with always wearing that friggin hood all time? Good riddance
Just another example of a guy who is a $10m talent  
Beer Man : 11/17/2022 10:31 am : link
with a 10 cent brain. Maybe Andy Reid can motivate the guy.
As many have already said  
aimrocky : 11/17/2022 10:32 am : link
it wasn't going to work here and I have a hard time believing he'll work out in KC (seeing that the Giants bent over backwards to make it work with Toney, and he still soured). Connecting the dots tells me he's a soft player that will eventually be tweaked and he'll pull himself off the field again. A leopard can't change it's spots.
....  
Beef Wellington : 11/17/2022 10:34 am : link
Aspiring rapper!! Ha ha ha . What does that even mean? I'm an aspiring Nuclear Scientist. But if I was on the roster of an NFL Football team I'd give up those aspirations in a heart beat.

And by the way how do you identify the talents of an aspiring wrapper? By the paper it's made out of perhaps? The guy didn't posses a brain bottom line.
RE: ....  
RicFlair : 11/17/2022 10:36 am : link
In comment 15910781 Beef Wellington said:
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Aspiring rapper!! Ha ha ha . What does that even mean? I'm an aspiring Nuclear Scientist. But if I was on the roster of an NFL Football team I'd give up those aspirations in a heart beat.

And by the way how do you identify the talents of an aspiring wrapper? By the paper it's made out of perhaps? The guy didn't posses a brain bottom line.



This post was so nice you had to post it twice?
RE: The bitterness is  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/17/2022 10:37 am : link
In comment 15910768 RicFlair said:
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Lol.


You expect fans to be happy about all of this? Another wasted first round pick at a need position?

LOL

LMAO

RE: RE: The bitterness is  
RicFlair : 11/17/2022 10:38 am : link
In comment 15910784 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15910768 RicFlair said:


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Lol.



You expect fans to be happy about all of this? Another wasted first round pick at a need position?

LOL

LMAO


ROFL
The  
AcidTest : 11/17/2022 10:39 am : link
irony is that if the rumors are accurate that DG wanted Darrisaw after the trade down then he would have right.
Teammate-Speak 101  
Jim in Tampa : 11/17/2022 10:40 am : link
Say nice things about one of your teammates when the press asks about him.

Remember all the nice things Giants players said about Webb and later Jones in his first few seasons?
The problem  
pjcas18 : 11/17/2022 10:42 am : link
with us, as fans, evaluating the situation with Toney is we have one side of a story.

And so many fans on here simply shrug and say "he was never going to play here"

what's done is done, but how is that a: known and b: ok?

it's the Giants job to get the players to play. it sets a terrible precedent.

I'm not apoplectic about it or anything since like I said what's done is done, but it does absolutely represent a failure for the Giants.

the best you can say is that a: it was not this regime who drafted him and b: they salvaged a 3rd and a 6th round pick for him but in no way should this be viewed as a positive.

the Giants squandered a 1st round pick, who has talent, and may shine elsewhere. that's the story and it's not being negative to say so, it's being truthful (from what information is available to us as fans)

RE: I think we will look back  
jvm52106 : 11/17/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15910696 GNewGiants said:
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and say Daboll and Schoen got this one wrong. Its not a black eye by any means, but something tells me Toney is gonna be a really good player in this league.


Your point is off base. They didn't get anything wrong here, Toney was NEVER going to be a good player with the Giants. You are assuming this wake up call of trade didn't have anything to do with his "supposed" ability, availability and football smarts.
RE: I think we will look back  
DefenseWins : 11/17/2022 10:44 am : link
In comment 15910696 GNewGiants said:
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and say Daboll and Schoen got this one wrong. Its not a black eye by any means, but something tells me Toney is gonna be a really good player in this league.


A couple of things...

1.This team has a huge issue with depth and talent at WR. If you think that the Giants truly did not want this to work, then you are just fooling yourself. They did not wake up one day and say "lets get rid of him". You will never know what happened behind closed doors. Just know that with this depleted roster, it had to be bad if we were willing to trade him away.

2.If he ends up doing well for KC, it does not mean we should have kept him. A transmission for a Mustang will not work on a Ferrari.

In his first game with KC, he did not do much. That is to be expected and is not a knock on him. He just got there. We will have to wait a year to see what happens.
Oh, how we all miss Kadarius  
M.S. : 11/17/2022 10:46 am : link

So very much!

There’ll never be another Giant like Kadarius Toney.

Travis Kelce… enjoy your early Christmas gift!
You can only make up so many  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/17/2022 10:48 am : link
of the wrapping songs about KC and ribs. Toney probably got bored and concentrated on football the last week or so.
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