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NFT: Anybody following this University of Idaho quad murder story

DanMetroMan : 11/17/2022 11:10 am
Is anybody else following the quadruple murder story at the University of Idaho? The police have been pretty hush hush originally suggesting it was a "crime of passion", later saying potential burglary. Information is coming out slowly but the whole thing seems odd. The daily mail posted photos that seemed to show there being so much blood that it oozed through the walls.

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Two roommates were inside the home where four University of Idaho students were slaughtered, authorities revealed Wednesday — but the 911 call wasn’t made until hours later.

City of Moscow Police Chief James Fry also said the two roommates were home when police responded to a call of an unconscious person and discovered a gory slaying described as “the worst they’ve ever seen.”

The latest revelation came during a press conference held by police and school officials where Fry also backtracked about how concerned the community should be about an ongoing threat after authorities originally said the public was not in danger following the quadruple homicide.

“We cannot say that there is no threat to the community and as we have stated, please stay vigilant, report any suspicious activity and be aware of your surroundings at all times,” Fry warned.

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This is like Scream come to life  
Jints in Carolina : 11/17/2022 11:15 am : link
so bizarre.
This is scary  
Chris684 : 11/17/2022 11:27 am : link
The owner of a building supply company was contacted to see if he had sold any of those huge crocodile Dundee sizes knives to anyone in the area.

I also read they’re trying to identify a “mystery man” who was randomly standing behind 2 of the victims at a food truck just hours before they were killed.
Crazy  
Producer : 11/17/2022 11:28 am : link
Terrible for the families.
Dateline - 48 hours episode for sure  
ZogZerg : 11/17/2022 11:35 am : link
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Wow, that does come off  
jvm52106 : 11/17/2022 11:35 am : link
As Scream like.. How do 4 people get killed and two others in the apartment do not hear a thing?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2022 11:36 am : link
Horrible story. And very scary. I would figure the perp knew the victims in some capacity.
Has this been confirmed homicide  
GNewGiants : 11/17/2022 11:36 am : link
by someone other than the 4 initially killed? Or could it have been a triple murder with a suicide included.
RE: Wow, that does come off  
rnargi : 11/17/2022 11:36 am : link
In comment 15910894 jvm52106 said:
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As Scream like.. How do 4 people get killed and two others in the apartment do not hear a thing?


Was there a report that they didn't hear anything? Maybe they did hear and were hiding.
oh, are we allowed to talk about the murder of college students now?  
Greg from LI : 11/17/2022 11:38 am : link
Funny, that wasn't the case the other day.
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Jints in Carolina : 11/17/2022 11:39 am : link
In comment 15910903 Greg from LI said:
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Funny, that wasn't the case the other day.


yea no shit
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Producer : 11/17/2022 11:45 am : link
In comment 15910895 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Horrible story. And very scary. I would figure the perp knew the victims in some capacity.


It's possible it could be somebody they knew, but I don't think it's likely. Killing four people up close with a machete or some long knife, that's some serial killer stuff.
RE: oh, are we allowed to talk about the murder of college students now?  
Fox : 11/17/2022 11:48 am : link
In comment 15910903 Greg from LI said:
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Funny, that wasn't the case the other day.


Man, what did I miss?
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jvm52106 : 11/17/2022 11:55 am : link
In comment 15910900 rnargi said:
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As Scream like.. How do 4 people get killed and two others in the apartment do not hear a thing?



Was there a report that they didn't hear anything? Maybe they did hear and were hiding.


I guess but the question of why the 911 call didn't happen until late the next day would easily be answered if they were in hiding and feared for their lives. That would seem a pertinent answer to the delay instead of we don't know why the 911 call didn't happen until noon the next day.
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Greg from LI : 11/17/2022 11:58 am : link
In comment 15910922 Fox said:
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Man, what did I miss?


Two threads about the shooting of five UVA students, four of whom were football players and three of whom were killed, were deleted.
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Producer : 11/17/2022 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15910935 jvm52106 said:
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As Scream like.. How do 4 people get killed and two others in the apartment do not hear a thing?



Was there a report that they didn't hear anything? Maybe they did hear and were hiding.



I guess but the question of why the 911 call didn't happen until late the next day would easily be answered if they were in hiding and feared for their lives. That would seem a pertinent answer to the delay instead of we don't know why the 911 call didn't happen until noon the next day.


Or they could have been sleeping. We don't know much about the crime scene but this sounds similar to Ted Bundy's attack at the FSU sorority where he killed two and bludgeoned two others while others in the sorority slept.
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GNewGiants : 11/17/2022 12:00 pm : link
In comment 15910900 rnargi said:
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As Scream like.. How do 4 people get killed and two others in the apartment do not hear a thing?



Was there a report that they didn't hear anything? Maybe they did hear and were hiding.


Lets look at the fact they are college kids and could have been annihilated and sleeping it off. Were their rooms close to the others? Just a weird fucking sdtory.
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Producer : 11/17/2022 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15910943 Greg from LI said:
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Man, what did I miss?



Two threads about the shooting of five UVA students, four of whom were football players and three of whom were killed, were deleted.


You know why ;).
College kids  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/17/2022 12:04 pm : link
drinking and drugs might explain some things.
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Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 11/17/2022 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15910949 GNewGiants said:
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As Scream like.. How do 4 people get killed and two others in the apartment do not hear a thing?



Was there a report that they didn't hear anything? Maybe they did hear and were hiding.



Lets look at the fact they are college kids and could have been annihilated and sleeping it off. Were their rooms close to the others? Just a weird fucking sdtory.


Not only that, but we've seen several stories over the years of people not realizing a crime is being committed in their house because they're blasting music on their headphones. There was a story about a wife being raped in the kitchen and her husband in another room couldn't hear it.
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WahooGiant : 11/17/2022 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15910943 Greg from LI said:
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Man, what did I miss?



Two threads about the shooting of five UVA students, four of whom were football players and three of whom were killed, were deleted.


Any reason why?
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Mike from Ohio : 11/17/2022 12:07 pm : link
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Man, what did I miss?



Two threads about the shooting of five UVA students, four of whom were football players and three of whom were killed, were deleted.



Any reason why?


People getting killed with knives doesn't challenge anyone's politics.
Seems like roomates could have been involved  
Vanzetti : 11/17/2022 12:12 pm : link
Murders occurred sometime around 3 AM and no one calls 911 until nine hours later.

Police described it as the most gruesome murder scene they had seen. Seems unlikely roommates were unaware.

But I agree with the Dad  
Vanzetti : 11/17/2022 12:14 pm : link
Police need to release info. Their silence, along with that of the University, is fueling internet rumors and those rumors never go away even if they are subsequently "disproven."
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/17/2022 12:26 pm : link
Roommates could have been involved, but as someone who shared apartments/houses with roommates in college/early to mid 20s...a lot of the fucking time I had no clue what my roommates were up to. It is entirely possible the roommates were just doing their own thing & stumbled across the scene.
I just hope they call in the dogs.....  
MOOPS : 11/17/2022 12:32 pm : link
because a department the size of Moscow PD or a Campus PD is not equpped or trained to perform an investigation of this magnitude.
Unless the roommates  
pjcas18 : 11/17/2022 12:32 pm : link
are skilled criminals - just based on the sounds of the crime scene I'd be very surprised if they were involved and able to clean themselves up and leave no trace or leave not trace of coming and going to dump evidence after the murders until the time the cops showed up on scene.

I also love how law enforcement says initially there is no threat to the public, then changes to say we don't have a suspect but believe this was targeted, so there might be a small threat to the public, to basically we have no clue.


I expect an arrest soon  
averagejoe : 11/17/2022 12:37 pm : link
sounds like police know a lot more than has been released. With all the cameras around I'm sure a suspect would appear leaving the scene. Maybe they have not been able to find him yet.

A horror story. Four young people slaughtered in their sleep.
Ghastly .
Mods  
DanMetroMan : 11/17/2022 12:43 pm : link
sorry, if this is not something that can be discussed on here I will delete. I was not trying to cause a problem. I just found the "mystery" component to be interesting. Please let me know if this should be deleted.
Crazy that 4 people,  
section125 : 11/17/2022 12:43 pm : link
even with three being women, were killed by a knife. One person? Either they were asleep when it started or were passed out. Cannot imagine the screams of 4 people being carved up and two not getting away or overpowering the attacker.
RE: Mods  
Jints in Carolina : 11/17/2022 1:24 pm : link
In comment 15911030 DanMetroMan said:
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sorry, if this is not something that can be discussed on here I will delete. I was not trying to cause a problem. I just found the "mystery" component to be interesting. Please let me know if this should be deleted.


Dan, no way should this be deleted.
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Producer : 11/17/2022 1:26 pm : link
In comment 15911019 averagejoe said:
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sounds like police know a lot more than has been released. With all the cameras around I'm sure a suspect would appear leaving the scene. Maybe they have not been able to find him yet.

A horror story. Four young people slaughtered in their sleep.
Ghastly .


I'm not so sure. Discussion of the figure of the man at the food truck, as well as what we know, suggests an anonymous stalker/attacker.
RE: I just hope they call in the dogs.....  
Producer : 11/17/2022 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15911010 MOOPS said:
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because a department the size of Moscow PD or a Campus PD is not equpped or trained to perform an investigation of this magnitude.


I'd bet the FBI is already involved.
I don't see any issue with this thread  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 11/17/2022 2:16 pm : link
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The Behavioral Analysis Unit of the FBI  
Producer : 11/17/2022 2:45 pm : link
is reported to be assisting with this case.
I don't know much about the  
GmeninPSL : 11/17/2022 3:01 pm : link
other roommates who contacted police 9 hours later. Is 9 hours enough time to clean up this gruesome crime scene and not be a suspect? I think the investigators are on to something and are just trying to throw this person off by first saying the community is not in danger and all of a sudden to be vigilant. If this crime was committed by one of the other roommates, I would be very surprised if they do not have someone in custody by the end of tomorrow as they are collecting evidence of coming ins and outs post 3am. But if this heinous crime was not committed by one of the roommates than this investigation can take much longer to conclude.
Such a sad confusing story  
montanagiant : 11/17/2022 3:03 pm : link
How are two other roommates in the house yet don't hear anything nor get attacked?

Is the public at risk or not?

How does one person brutally kill 4 people with a knife and completely escape unnoticed?
RE: Seems like roomates could have been involved  
montanagiant : 11/17/2022 3:06 pm : link
In comment 15910972 Vanzetti said:
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Murders occurred sometime around 3 AM and no one calls 911 until nine hours later.

Police described it as the most gruesome murder scene they had seen. Seems unlikely roommates were unaware.

The Roommates are two other girls, I would think it would be extremely hard for two college-aged girls to brutally hack up four others and then be able to clean up the crime scene enough to where they are deemed to not be suspects
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montanagiant : 11/17/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15911268 montanagiant said:
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Murders occurred sometime around 3 AM and no one calls 911 until nine hours later.

Police described it as the most gruesome murder scene they had seen. Seems unlikely roommates were unaware.



The Roommates are two other girls, I would think it would be extremely hard for two college-aged girls to brutally hack up four others and then be able to clean up the crime scene enough to where they are deemed to not be suspects

I also think the 9 hours it took them to call can be attributed to a night of partying and they woke up late
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Producer : 11/17/2022 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15911262 GmeninPSL said:
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other roommates who contacted police 9 hours later. Is 9 hours enough time to clean up this gruesome crime scene and not be a suspect? I think the investigators are on to something and are just trying to throw this person off by first saying the community is not in danger and all of a sudden to be vigilant. If this crime was committed by one of the other roommates, I would be very surprised if they do not have someone in custody by the end of tomorrow as they are collecting evidence of coming ins and outs post 3am. But if this heinous crime was not committed by one of the roommates than this investigation can take much longer to conclude.


The two roommates are girls. Highly unlikely to be perpetrators in a large knife attack.
RE: Such a sad confusing story  
Producer : 11/17/2022 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15911264 montanagiant said:
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How are two other roommates in the house yet don't hear anything nor get attacked?

Is the public at risk or not?

How does one person brutally kill 4 people with a knife and completely escape unnoticed?


A highly organized klller, which really cuts against the crime of passion narrative, imo.
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montanagiant : 11/17/2022 3:17 pm : link
In comment 15911275 Producer said:
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How are two other roommates in the house yet don't hear anything nor get attacked?

Is the public at risk or not?

How does one person brutally kill 4 people with a knife and completely escape unnoticed?



A highly organized klller, which really cuts against the crime of passion narrative, imo.

It would have to be a completely random stranger. Crime of passion would result in a ton of evidence left and names already put out there by other students who knew them
useful NY Post article  
Alan W : 11/17/2022 3:31 pm : link
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Couple things.  
MOOPS : 11/17/2022 3:56 pm : link
1. It's survivalist country up there. Could easily be someone living off the grid.
2. Moscow is right on the border of Washington. WSU is only like 5 miles away. Greatly increases the potential suspect pool.
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Producer : 11/17/2022 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15911286 montanagiant said:
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How are two other roommates in the house yet don't hear anything nor get attacked?

Is the public at risk or not?

How does one person brutally kill 4 people with a knife and completely escape unnoticed?



A highly organized klller, which really cuts against the crime of passion narrative, imo.


It would have to be a completely random stranger. Crime of passion would result in a ton of evidence left and names already put out there by other students who knew them


My thoughts too. A stalker/attacker. Could still be a spurned wannabe boyfriend, but what we know about the crime scene would put him in an unusual category.
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Producer : 11/17/2022 4:00 pm : link
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Serious weapon
Did not realize the other roommates  
GmeninPSL : 11/17/2022 4:08 pm : link
were female. It certainly greatly reduces the chances of either one of them being a suspect. They should count their lucky stars that they were not victims of this crime when it occurred under their roof.
If the police want to keep info out of the media it's probably because  
Ira : 11/17/2022 4:18 pm : link
they feel it will help the investigation to do so. I think the public should trust their judgment in this matter.
RE: Couple things.  
montanagiant : 11/17/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15911327 MOOPS said:
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1. It's survivalist country up there. Could easily be someone living off the grid.
2. Moscow is right on the border of Washington. WSU is only like 5 miles away. Greatly increases the potential suspect pool.

Especially considering they believe a K-Bar knife was used
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montanagiant : 11/17/2022 4:54 pm : link
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The pic of the blood seeping down on the outside concrete wall is extremely disturbing
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Producer : 11/17/2022 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15911376 montanagiant said:
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1. It's survivalist country up there. Could easily be someone living off the grid.
2. Moscow is right on the border of Washington. WSU is only like 5 miles away. Greatly increases the potential suspect pool.


Especially considering they believe a K-Bar knife was used


Let's hope not. If he's a rando maniac and then living off the grid like Unabomber, then he might be very hard to find.

Awful.
These kids were filmed on the Grub Truckers Twitch stream  
montanagiant : 11/18/2022 12:52 am : link
Very surreal to hear their voices
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montanagiant : 11/18/2022 12:56 am : link
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The guy in the black ball cap in the background that puts his hoodie up is supposedly a suspect
Link to article that explains how that vid helps with the timeline  
montanagiant : 11/18/2022 1:08 am : link
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Two of the four University of Idaho students who were killed on Sunday were last seen alive ordering at a late-night food truck in Moscow, Idaho, at about 1:41 a.m., the truck’s live Twitch stream shows.

In the video, Madison Mogen and Kaylee Goncalves order $10 worth of carbonara from Grub Truckers and wait about 10 minutes for their food. As they wait, they can be seen chatting with each other and other people standing by the truck.

Joseph Woodall, 26, who manages the food truck, told CNN the two students did not seem to be in distress or in danger in any way.

The food truck video offers a helpful timeline of their final hours, Moscow Police Department Chief James Fry said Wednesday, in a quadruple murder case that remains wide open, with no suspect and no murder weapon and a reportedly bloody scene where investigators were still working Thursday.

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montanagiant : 11/18/2022 1:13 am : link
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The guy in the black ball cap in the background that puts his hoodie up is supposedly a suspect

They are saying the Hoodie guy had been following the two girls when they went to the food truck and he just hangs back staring at them the whole time
That hoodie guy looks suspicious  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/18/2022 10:28 am : link
He is by himself at that time of night. Hopefully they get a ID on him to at least identify and follow up.

Horrible incident. Barbaric action to kill four people like that. Whole life in front of them.

I also find it strange from what I have seen is that there was no break in.

Hopefully this is one that gets solved.
Has there  
JayBinQueens : 11/22/2022 4:53 pm : link
been any update?
RE: That hoodie guy looks suspicious  
rnargi : 11/22/2022 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15911884 Lines of Scrimmage said:
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He is by himself at that time of night. Hopefully they get a ID on him to at least identify and follow up.

Horrible incident. Barbaric action to kill four people like that. Whole life in front of them.

I also find it strange from what I have seen is that there was no break in.

Hopefully this is one that gets solved.


Hoodie guy has cooperates and has been cleared as a suspect
Candyman...Candyman....Canddd  
GMen72 : 11/22/2022 4:58 pm : link
Don't do it!
Hopefully the police have good info and just aren’t releasing it  
Sean : 11/22/2022 5:00 pm : link
But, as each day passes it seems more likely this could be a random act.
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islander1 : 11/22/2022 8:38 pm : link
In comment 15911007 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Roommates could have been involved, but as someone who shared apartments/houses with roommates in college/early to mid 20s...a lot of the fucking time I had no clue what my roommates were up to. It is entirely possible the roommates were just doing their own thing & stumbled across the scene.


Yeah, as someone who lived in a fraternity house for a couple years, it's completely believable that the other roommates had no idea / passed out drunk / high / whatever

There were two or three nights in particular I was so blitzed drunk I didn't remember passing out at all.
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