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1). Author thinks 50/50 NYG or Dallas.
2). Demonstrates how it can be done with a $1MM cap hit in 2022. Hopefully, that puts to bed once and for all the canard that the Giants don't have the cap space for this.
3). The article is complicated and worth the read, but an overly simplified summary would be that a "fair" deal is somewhere around $14MM guaranteed escalating to $30MM guaranteed if performance escalators are hit. Total deal something like 4/40.
If our team is convinced he is healthy, then I would view this as very doable. If OBJ is what he was last year, this is a big win for us. If he is cooked, we flush $14MM in cap space. I would roll those dice. That is about what you would pay a first round pick in the 5-10 range next year. I wouldn't spend such a pick on OBJ, but I would pay him and not spend the pick!
Agent's Take: Treating Odell Beckham Jr. fairly on a long-term deal as he prepares for NFL return - (
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I am an OBJ fan. But I see nothing "fair" in those numbers.
I am an OBJ fan. But I see nothing "fair" in those numbers.
Its on par with Nelson Agholor, Tyler Boyd, Devante Parker, Russel Gage, DJ Shark. Its not a terrible deal off redzone production alone.
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30 yr old, twice torn ACL player is a fair deal?
I am an OBJ fan. But I see nothing "fair" in those numbers.
Its on par with Nelson Agholor, Tyler Boyd, Devante Parker, Russel Gage, DJ Shark. Its not a terrible deal off redzone production alone.
How do you know he’s still “on par” with any of those guys coming off his injury. That’s nuts.
I feel much better from my second hip replacement from the first
So possibly Odell knee just as good
It’s more building the muscle back around acl. Not the tendon itself
Right that’s what he’s worth. $1.25m prorated for the final 9 games. About $700k.
I am an OBJ fan. But I see nothing "fair" in those numbers.
I did. Based on comments no one else did.
Time to root for the Jets.
This would be a very Dallas thing to do though.
that they could basically pay him $1 mill this year and push the rest of this year's money into the last three years and include performance clauses in there -- but it is essentially a 4/40 contract they are talking about
now if you're only giving him 1 mill this year and the rest of the first year is spread out - okay -- but he's going to want more money guaranteed than that
If we could get him for a one-year rental, sure.
Too much risk.
I am an OBJ fan. But I see nothing "fair" in those numbers.
I'd bet that OBJ would want something shorter to re-establish his value. I could see him signing a 2-year deal, wanting to hit free agency again after 2023...if he can put together a season and a half of relative healthy football.
I'm in the camp that I think whoever gets him, he will be a difference-maker. Not terribly concerned with the ACLs. Whenever I think of ACLs, I think of Frank Gore. This guy tore his left ACL twice in college, then just went on to play 16 seasons in the NFL, rushing for 16,000 yards, 12 seasons with more than 1000 scrimmage yards, scoring 99 TDs in his HOF career.
I realize that coming back from another when you're 30 as opposed to when you're 21 years old can be a lot different, but OBJ is the kind of uber-elite athlete I would bet on.
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for 1 year 1.25mill (plus incentives to 3 million). Now he's worth 4/40? I don't get it, unless he took a huge discount to go to Rams
Right that’s what he’s worth. $1.25m prorated for the final 9 games. About $700k.
OBJ made $20MM last year. $4.25MM from the Rams. And if you could get from him what the Rams got from him you should be more than happy to pay 4/$40 especially as structured in the article.
that they could basically pay him $1 mill this year and push the rest of this year's money into the last three years and include performance clauses in there -- but it is essentially a 4/40 contract they are talking about
now if you're only giving him 1 mill this year and the rest of the first year is spread out - okay -- but he's going to want more money guaranteed than that
I think the structure the article suggest would essentially give him a guarantee of next year at something like $11MM and then other guarantees based on roster and performance. If healthy and close to what he was last year, I would take that in a heartbeat. In other words downside for the team is more like $14MM than $40. As anyone who pays attention knows, the ultimate contract amount matters much less than the guarantees.
On the NYG
Repeat after me.
He is less than 10 months removed from his 2nd ACL surgery and had an awful ankle injury prior. There is no way top confidently think we would get anywhere near even the WR he was with the Rams last year.
(2) We have the salary cap room to do this;
(3) This is not WR 1 money, it's a WR 2 contract;
(4) He played extremely well last year and was the leading
receiver on the Rams in the Super Bowl before he got hurt;
(5) He may not be able to dominate the way he did in 2015-
2017 but he can keep defenses honest, reduce Barkly's
workload: and
(6) It will be entertaining to see the OBJ haters on this
Board lose their shit
Idk about you but I trust the ability of a 2 ACL tear Beckham over Shepard. The Giants are 7-2 in a weak NFC class. If he can help them in a playoff push, pull the trigger. I also doubt he gets 40 mil...
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In comment 15911036 uther99 said:
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for 1 year 1.25mill (plus incentives to 3 million). Now he's worth 4/40? I don't get it, unless he took a huge discount to go to Rams
Right that’s what he’s worth. $1.25m prorated for the final 9 games. About $700k.
OBJ made $20MM last year. $4.25MM from the Rams. And if you could get from him what the Rams got from him you should be more than happy to pay 4/$40 especially as structured in the article.
No, I wouldn't be happy with that. I'd be happy with a vet min prove it deal.
In a perfect world, Beckham is willing to accept a partial-year deal to take through the end of this season, so we at least know what he's able to do for us. Then, assuming we still want him, we negotiate a multi-year deal next spring when we don't need to play cap-o-nomics to afford him.
But I can't fathom Beckham would be okay with that arrangement. He's probably weird enough to do it if nobody's in his ear telling him not to, but he surely does have those people.
Its on par with Nelson Agholor, Tyler Boyd, Devante Parker, Russel Gage, DJ Shark.
Doo doo doo doo doo doo
(2) We have the salary cap room to do this;
(3) This is not WR 1 money, it's a WR 2 contract;
(4) He played extremely well last year and was the leading
receiver on the Rams in the Super Bowl before he got hurt;
(5) He may not be able to dominate the way he did in 2015-
2017 but he can keep defenses honest, reduce Barkly's
workload: and
(6) It will be entertaining to see the OBJ haters on this
Board lose their shit
Yes on 1 through 5. Hell yes on 6.
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Its on par with Nelson Agholor, Tyler Boyd, Devante Parker, Russel Gage, DJ Shark.
Doo doo doo doo doo doo
Exactly... He's a better player than those comparable salaries
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In comment 15911033 OBJ_AllDay said:
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Its on par with Nelson Agholor, Tyler Boyd, Devante Parker, Russel Gage, DJ Shark.
Doo doo doo doo doo doo
Exactly... He's a better player than those comparable salaries
You don’t know that. No one does. He might have been a better player than those but you don’t have a clue what he is now.
I am an OBJ fan. But I see nothing "fair" in those numbers.
Couldn't agree more...what if he's cooked and isn't anywhere near what he's ever been?
Sign the dude for 2022. If he's good...resign him. Locking him in to a 4 year deal without knowing what he'll be makes no sense. That could end up being a Golladay contract.
Not sure what your point is. Tyler Boyd isn’t a good comparison to OBJ. But I don’t know one and that’s why I don’t want to sign OBJ for anything but vet min.
Easy pass IMHO
He'll get PT here and more of a focal point as he get field ready to handle those reps ... he just has to accept back-end money and understand play well to get more non football money .... they best story for a comeback is in NY Blue ... possible in other uniforms but not as "sexy" and want to be told by the pundits & talking heads ...
lol
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(1) It's not your money;
(2) We have the salary cap room to do this;
(3) This is not WR 1 money, it's a WR 2 contract;
(4) He played extremely well last year and was the leading
receiver on the Rams in the Super Bowl before he got hurt;
(5) He may not be able to dominate the way he did in 2015-
2017 but he can keep defenses honest, reduce Barkly's
workload: and
(6) It will be entertaining to see the OBJ haters on this
Board lose their shit
Yes on 1 through 5. Hell yes on 6.
I would offer him a contract with 5 million gtg in 2023 plus incentives. Player option after this year if he goes nuts and can cash in big time.
p.s.--Maybe the Giants should sign Callaway off the Cowboys practice squad, thus forcing the Cowboys to sign OBJ!
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I did. Based on comments no one else did.
Did you or did you not post the 4/$40 mill?
Vet Min.
2018-2021
Jones: 34 games, 181-2,599-10
OBJ: 37 games, 141-1,891-12
Jones had a monster 2018 and a pretty quick downfall whereas OBJ was tore his ACL in 2020 and had a mixed 2021 in his first year back. Jones signed a 1/6M with incentives to bring it up to $9M; that feels right for OBJ.
I admittedly don't know enough about cap implications and spreading the money out so it's less per year, but I can't see the Giants giving him a multi year deal. He's 30 coming off two serious knee injuries. Maybe if the last year if voidable or something.
This year and next year is all about setting the team up for success. I don't think Schoen is thinking long term about anything yet.
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I did. Based on comments no one else did.
Did you or did you not post the 4/$40 mill?
Not sure what your point is. As my original post said the 4/$40 is my over simplification of a very complicated discussion in the article.