This info courtesy of Skinner: Daniel Jones is converting 48 percent of 3rd and long situations (defined as needing 7 yards or more) That is insanely good.
Just for comparison sake, that is better than the conversion rates of 29 other teams on all third downs! Further, the best team at converting third downs is Buffalo, which converts on all third downs at a rate of only 52.3 percent.
Obviously, 3rd and long situations are by far the most difficult passing downs, more pressure, tighter windows, longer routes. Everything is stacked against a QB. Yet DJ's completion percentage in 3rd and long is 68 percent!
I had a sense from watching the games that we converting a lot of third and longs but had no idea we were having this level of success.
I remember in training camp BD did a drill for this type of situation. Results were not good and there was some chatter on here about Jones (negative) as the beats were putting out how poor the Giants and Jones looked against the D.
Good job by BD preparing the team and even better execution by Jones and the team.
Unless DJ falls apart, he’ll be wearing blue next year.
There's plenty of bbi favorite QB messiah saviors like Russell Wilson and Mitch Trubisky we should have traded for.
Some Giants fans have to wake up.
I remember in training camp BD did a drill for this type of situation. Results were not good and there was some chatter on here about Jones (negative) as the beats were putting out how poor the Giants and Jones looked against the D.
Good job by BD preparing the team and even better execution by Jones and the team.
This year under Daboll, its not a good idea for a D to play Cover 2 man or man blitz with the threat of Jones running, Jones could shiv a knife in your heart with a long TD run.
I'm not saying Kafka has been Dan Reeves with the run, run, pass. He has occasionally passed on first or 2nd, just would eventually like to see a little more, to be less predictable.
Call me crazy, but maybe the current version of Slayton, along with Hodgins, Wan dale (depending on hammy) and Cager, could be the best group we've had in a while and good enough until Bellinger returns. And then, it could be good enough to make a little noise in Jan.
lol, sorry Doc. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
Of the 15, it looks like 7 were passed that were short of the marker and the receiver converted on YAC. Somewhat interesting, but not sure how to contextualize that vs the league.
Two of those were executed by Taylor (Chicago game) and one was a result of an illegal contact. So, I tossed those.
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I think I've been hypnotized by Al Davis!
lol, sorry Doc. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
I like it!
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Safe to state that 99.9% of fans n this forum are enjoying the winning. But
there is more than a little push back against the idea that 7-2 is somehow a validation of Jones as a quarterback.
Dexter Lawrences pressure rate is a bad stat because it's totally unsustainable. Look at Ndamukong Suh.
Yeah. How dare he play well on third downs. The NERVE!
Of the 15, it looks like 7 were passed that were short of the marker and the receiver converted on YAC. Somewhat interesting, but not sure how to contextualize that vs the league.
Two of those were executed by Taylor (Chicago game) and one was a result of an illegal contact. So, I tossed those.
I would not be surprised if league wide a lot of 3rd and long passing conversions invovle YAC because most times the defense is bunching guys at the sticks. However, I would not say this cheapens the numbers for DJ. It's not like he's throwing to Hill. His guys are fairly pedestrian YAC receivers.
Of the 15, it looks like 7 were passed that were short of the marker and the receiver converted on YAC. Somewhat interesting, but not sure how to contextualize that vs the league.
Two of those were executed by Taylor (Chicago game) and one was a result of an illegal contact. So, I tossed those.
LOL - I think the context was well stated in the OP, but if you want to scan game logs and do a deep dive to try and minimize the info shared - have at it.
Again - Jones is converting 3rd down and long at a higher rate than some teams are converting all 3rd downs. It's going to be really, really hard to shit on that
And then I was curious how those conversions happened.
JFC. I love this place.
And then I was curious how those conversions happened.
JFC. I love this place.
Geez. Calm down Dude. I wasn't attacking you. Just having a dialogue
Dexter Lawrences pressure rate is a bad stat because it's totally unsustainable. Look at Ndamukong Suh.
He's not wrong. Reggie White had impressive pressure statistics and now he's out of the league. It's not sustainable.
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You must be a joy to be around. Finding dark clouds in every silver lining.
Dexter Lawrences pressure rate is a bad stat because it's totally unsustainable. Look at Ndamukong Suh.
He's not wrong. Reggie White had impressive pressure statistics and now he's out of the league. It's not sustainable.
Phil Simms once completed 22 out of 25 passes in a pretty big game. That was bad. Totally unsustainable.
LOL!
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I wrote, "That is a good number..."
And then I was curious how those conversions happened.
JFC. I love this place.
Geez. Calm down Dude. I wasn't attacking you. Just having a dialogue
That was intended for my Fat Friend in Charlotte.
But 48% is indeed crazy good.
I adrressed this above.
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that's a bit of crucial info because, you know, sample size...
I adrressed this above.
We're talking about a sample size of 31? Yea, ok.
I adrressed this above.
We're talking about a sample size of 31? Yea, ok.
I really don't know how that compares versus the rest of the league. My quick effort was to get a rough idea. So, that could be a reasonable sample vis-a-vis other QBs.
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I adrressed this above.
We're talking about a sample size of 31? Yea, ok.
I really don't know how that compares versus the rest of the league. My quick effort was to get a rough idea. So, that could be a reasonable sample vis-a-vis other QBs.
I appreciate your effort. 31 throws tells us literally nothing about a player. It's certainly not a counter weight to his entire career of poor production.
And then I was curious how those conversions happened.
JFC. I love this place.
Yeah, don't give stats that don't feed the narrative of DJ being Mahomes!
As others have said, it's unsustainable. When a player (at any position) is doing something completely out of his norm, and at a higher than league average, he will regress. Remember how great Ryan Fitzpatrick was for a while? Trevon Diggs gonna get double digit INTs this year? Do you think Fields will continue on the same pace he's been on for the last 2 games? The NFL always catches up.
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In comment 15912329 bw in dc said:
I adrressed this above.
We're talking about a sample size of 31? Yea, ok.
I really don't know how that compares versus the rest of the league. My quick effort was to get a rough idea. So, that could be a reasonable sample vis-a-vis other QBs.
I appreciate your effort. 31 throws tells us literally nothing about a player. It's certainly not a counter weight to his entire career of poor production.
There are only a few Mahomes, Allen, Herbert. We all know DJ is not that. But he has been money in clutch situations all year. He got killed in the Dallas game but kept trying to make plays - that was a courageous effort. We all have our opinions, but give the man his due - he has balled out this year; stats don’t tell the story. This particular stat IS indicative of his play THIS YEAR with this COACHING STAFF. Like him or not, he has played winning football to date and I for one am enjoying it (I was in the camp we need to move on, now teserving judgment until the season plays out).
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I wrote, "That is a good number..."
And then I was curious how those conversions happened.
JFC. I love this place.
Yeah, don't give stats that don't feed the narrative of DJ being Mahomes!
As others have said, it's unsustainable. When a player (at any position) is doing something completely out of his norm, and at a higher than league average, he will regress. Remember how great Ryan Fitzpatrick was for a while? Trevon Diggs gonna get double digit INTs this year? Do you think Fields will continue on the same pace he's been on for the last 2 games? The NFL always catches up.
Not one person has ever said. Nice straw man
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I adrressed this above.
We're talking about a sample size of 31? Yea, ok.
I really don't know how that compares versus the rest of the league. My quick effort was to get a rough idea. So, that could be a reasonable sample vis-a-vis other QBs.
I appreciate your effort. 31 throws tells us literally nothing about a player. It's certainly not a counter weight to his entire career of poor production.
There are only a few Mahomes, Allen, Herbert. We all know DJ is not that. But he has been money in clutch situations all year. He got killed in the Dallas game but kept trying to make plays - that was a courageous effort. We all have our opinions, but give the man his due - he has balled out this year; stats don’t tell the story. This particular stat IS indicative of his play THIS YEAR with this COACHING STAFF. Like him or not, he has played winning football to date and I for one am enjoying it (I was in the camp we need to move on, now teserving judgment until the season plays out).
He is a gamer, there is no doubt, and he has made important contributions to the winning streak we are on
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I wrote, "That is a good number..."
And then I was curious how those conversions happened.
JFC. I love this place.
Yeah, don't give stats that don't feed the narrative of DJ being Mahomes!
As others have said, it's unsustainable. When a player (at any position) is doing something completely out of his norm, and at a higher than league average, he will regress. Remember how great Ryan Fitzpatrick was for a while? Trevon Diggs gonna get double digit INTs this year? Do you think Fields will continue on the same pace he's been on for the last 2 games? The NFL always catches up.
The Giants on 3rd and long are calling the right plays and the team is executing at a much higher clip than they have previously... we can agree.
But, this is a new staff calling plays and teaching players.
What is happening is that the norm is now different. Leading the league is indeed new...but it is the new norm.
The past is the past. Enjoy the ride.
You were expecting 500 third and longs for a 7-2 team? You may want to check a mirror.
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Doubtful. You can't possibly be that stupid.
You were expecting 500 third and longs for a 7-2 team? You may want to check a mirror.
If Jones was bad on third and long you can bet they wouldn’t be questioning the sample size.
If you want to see conclusions drawn on a small sample size, watch the game thread. The first bad throw will be emblematic of his inaccuracy
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I adrressed this above.
We're talking about a sample size of 31? Yea, ok.
I really don't know how that compares versus the rest of the league. My quick effort was to get a rough idea. So, that could be a reasonable sample vis-a-vis other QBs.
I appreciate your effort. 31 throws tells us literally nothing about a player. It's certainly not a counter weight to his entire career of poor production. [/quote
I would say Daniel surrounded with better players and coaching is showing he much of what you have said he never could be.
He s a good player