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Ten Ton Hammer : 11/18/2022 6:19 pm
Per Art Stapleton

No mention of what position, but art identifies him as a LG

https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/status/1593744023864463371?t=1m_BNlFYWP-Ekk8vaF6JCA&s=19
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It's fun to watch...  
Brown_Hornet : 11/19/2022 12:34 am : link
...bbi decide who should start and take issue with the coaching staff if they do something different.
RE: RE: RE: Not that I'm ever cynical, but  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2022 12:36 am : link
In comment 15912482 Matt M. said:
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I'm afraid that the legend of Shane Lemieux is going to catch up to the reality of Shane Lemieux



What legend? He was the starter before the injury and people are a fan of him. No one thinks he’s an all pro.

Yes, but he never really did anything to establish himself as the starter. He replaced a sick Hernandez and then was penciled in as the starter the next year. But, he barely practiced and essentially missed the whole season. Then he missed the whole season to date this year.


I’m going to go ahead and assume the coaching staff knows their shit. If not, revert back to the bench.
RE: RE: Not that I'm ever cynical, but  
chick310 : 11/19/2022 7:49 am : link
In comment 15912473 UConn4523 said:
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I'm afraid that the legend of Shane Lemieux is going to catch up to the reality of Shane Lemieux



What legend? He was the starter before the injury and people are a fan of him. No one thinks he’s an all pro.


There's another Lemieux thread going on that the OP calls him a "beast".

Just not sure if Beast = All Pro, but directionally that is the take.

for sure  
fkap : 11/19/2022 8:02 am : link
there's a contingent of BBI who have expectations set a little high on L. But, there's also a group who overly portray this as preparing a bust for Canton.

Is it so wrong to think it's a positive that a guy who has potential for being solid (or at least better than what's out there now) is returning?
Go Shane  
bluefin : 11/19/2022 8:16 am : link
glad to have you back
He is absolutely a beast run blocker.  
mittenedman : 11/19/2022 8:18 am : link
I guess some of you can continue to be surprised that he gets his job back.

In reality, it's obvious 2 coaching staffs now think he's a pretty good player.
Skinner is decidedly higher on Ezeudu than Lemieux.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/19/2022 8:28 am : link
guitarguybs12 said:
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Yeah watching Bobby Skinners o-line reports Ezeudu showed more pass block ability than Lemieux has IMO. Guess they want a run block mauler for another Saquon 30 plus carry game

In Art’s Twitter thread, Bobby S. was asked which LG he prefers going forward, and he said Ezeudu without hedging.

Important to note that Ezeudu wasn’t benched. He missed practice with an injury, and can use more time to heal. It’s good that Lemieux offers a viable alternative. The competition for the LG job has barely begun. OC and RG may eventually be in play too, especially if Glowinski continues to underperform.
Skinner’s preference: Ezeudu - ( New Window )
Hope Lemieux learned how to pass block since the last time he played  
Rick in Dallas : 11/19/2022 8:29 am : link
He was a very good run blocker
RE: Skinner is decidedly higher on Ezeudu than Lemieux.  
KJBBQ : 11/19/2022 9:06 am : link
In comment 15912636 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Yeah watching Bobby Skinners o-line reports Ezeudu showed more pass block ability than Lemieux has IMO. Guess they want a run block mauler for another Saquon 30 plus carry game


In Art’s Twitter thread, Bobby S. was asked which LG he prefers going forward, and he said Ezeudu without hedging.

Important to note that Ezeudu wasn’t benched. He missed practice with an injury, and can use more time to heal. It’s good that Lemieux offers a viable alternative. The competition for the LG job has barely begun. OC and RG may eventually be in play too, especially if Glowinski continues to underperform. Skinner’s preference: Ezeudu - ( New Window )


Go back and watch skinner during camp. He was very high on Lemieux. He even said in this week's podcast that it's because he hasn't seen him recently.
Game plan for Sunday: Run the football  
KingBlue : 11/19/2022 9:56 am : link
Lemieux strength: Run blocking.

Ezeudu has sore neck and will likely backup Lemieux.
All I know is his father Denis was a malcontent in the locker room  
BlueHurricane : 11/19/2022 10:00 am : link
Always asking to be traded from the Chiefs.
RE: RE: RE: i still think Gates at C, Lemeuix at LG, Bredeson at RG  
bLiTz 2k : 11/19/2022 10:03 am : link
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with Neal and Thomas bookends is the best OL and a top 10 OL in the NFL imo.

I think Ezeudu is going to be better. It may be a question of who is better between Lemieux and Bredeson for RG





I picture the starting line next year to be Thomas, Lemieux, Gates, Ezeudu and neal


The 3 interior guys may swap positions in some facet, but I agree...and it wouldn't be a bad thing.

My hope is they keep adding draft picks to the IOL every year (at least one guy). Keep the pipeline going...you know those backups are going to play.

RE: RE: Why don’t  
Rory : 11/19/2022 10:07 am : link
In comment 15912425 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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You people let the coaches make the decisions some they are the subject matter experts and you are not.



God forbid people on a message board have opinions...

You're a miserable poster.


No I’m just a fan, just like everyone else. I have limited Information so I don’t express my opinion as fact. I also have a life and could give two fucks how I represent as a poster.

Eat it
RE: ...  
Milton : 11/19/2022 10:16 am : link
In comment 15912449 broadbandz said:
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Ezeudu if healthy needs to take Glowinski's spot. Glowinski has been awful every game and it was a terrible signing that our gm made and not a single person knocks him for it. Which is weird. I know the money was tight but still Glowinski is one of the worst guards in the nfl right now.
I doubt he is one of the worst guards in the NFL, but it's not as if he's being paid like a plus player. He was brought in on a stop-gap level contract that was structured for him to be the starter this year and replaced next year. McKethan was drafted to compete at RG but was lost to IR. I'm sure it will be addressed next year, whether it's via the return of McKethan or another rookie brought in. Glowinski will either be a backup next year or off the team altogether. The money he is paid is appropriate for the expectations they had of him, which is consistent with the contributions he's made to the team's 7-2 record. It wasn't a bad signing. He's done neither better, nor worse than what was expected when signed.
I didn't think Glowinski has been all that bad. Certainly some  
chick310 : 11/19/2022 10:23 am : link
inconsistencies but has played some decent games.

Center and Left Guard has been the most trouble on the interior thus far accounting for both run/pass protection.

Will see how Ezeudu progresses and if McKethan can make it back okay, but wouldn't be surprised if Schoen puts a new Center and another Guard on the roster from the next draft.
RE: RE: i still think Gates at C, Lemeuix at LG, Bredeson at RG  
markky : 11/19/2022 10:40 am : link
In comment 15912459 KJBBQ said:
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with Neal and Thomas bookends is the best OL and a top 10 OL in the NFL imo.



Think you are right. It might be the starting lineup for our playoff game.


games, plural.
RE: RE: Why don’t  
RicFlair : 11/19/2022 10:49 am : link
In comment 15912425 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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You people let the coaches make the decisions some they are the subject matter experts and you are not.



God forbid people on a message board have opinions...

You're a miserable poster.



When watching a tv show, this guy probably “umm why don’t you let the writers write the show.”

When eating at a restaurant “shut up and eat it and let the chefs cook it”
Lemieux SUCKED as a rookie  
UGADawgs7 : 11/19/2022 10:51 am : link
Gets injured, and now starts his first game back? Yikes.
RE: RE: RE: Not that I'm ever cynical, but  
UConn4523 : 11/19/2022 11:03 am : link
In comment 15912612 chick310 said:
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I'm afraid that the legend of Shane Lemieux is going to catch up to the reality of Shane Lemieux



What legend? He was the starter before the injury and people are a fan of him. No one thinks he’s an all pro.



There's another Lemieux thread going on that the OP calls him a "beast".

Just not sure if Beast = All Pro, but directionally that is the take.


Lol
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Johnny5 : 11/19/2022 11:24 am : link
In comment 15912445 Spiciest Memelord said:
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Hahaha!
Someone in the building really likes Shane Lemieux  
ghost718 : 11/19/2022 11:59 am : link
Also,the Giants are weird
Just saw an interview with him….guy looks great.  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/19/2022 12:23 pm : link
Trying to temper my expectations, but he looks ready to go.
Things I learned from this thread  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/19/2022 12:30 pm : link
Given that Bobby Johnson just said yesterday that the players make it easy on him in terms of who will be starting, Bobby Johnson, Mike Kafka, and Brian Daboll are idiots because they think Lemieux and Glowinksi are clearly the best options to start at guard for the New York Giants.

Fans have spoken. Our coaching staff is incompetent.
RE: Things I learned from this thread  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/19/2022 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15912803 Eric from BBI said:
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Given that Bobby Johnson just said yesterday that the players make it easy on him in terms of who will be starting, Bobby Johnson, Mike Kafka, and Brian Daboll are idiots because they think Lemieux and Glowinksi are clearly the best options to start at guard for the New York Giants.

Fans have spoken. Our coaching staff is incompetent.


Huh?
RE: Things I learned from this thread  
RicFlair : 11/19/2022 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15912803 Eric from BBI said:
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Given that Bobby Johnson just said yesterday that the players make it easy on him in terms of who will be starting, Bobby Johnson, Mike Kafka, and Brian Daboll are idiots because they think Lemieux and Glowinksi are clearly the best options to start at guard for the New York Giants.

Fans have spoken. Our coaching staff is incompetent.





And this is different from any thread ever? Welcome to the Internet lol.
It’s a good problem to have  
dancing blue bear : 11/19/2022 12:46 pm : link
5 guys for 3 spots. A testament to the depth built in ONE off season

Anyway, best man will play. I really believe this staff when they say that

I’m excited to get frenchy back. He’s a nasty/ tough dude. And was a very good run blocker as a rook. His pass pro was bad as a rook (like ezuda it is something that takes time to improve)

IMO glowinski has disappointed. He’s good run blocking but has been really bad in pass pro. I expected a higher level base in pass pro

Feliciano has been smart at center. The line has generally been well coordinated with the right calls. Physically he gets his ass whooped a lot. Curious if this staff will give gates a shot at his old job. I thought he did really well for his first year at center and thought he had a pretty good ceiling there

Admittedly I’m a big fan of gates so maybe biased
RE: It’s a good problem to have  
Bill in UT : 11/19/2022 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15912812 dancing blue bear said:
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5 guys for 3 spots. A testament to the depth built in ONE off season

Anyway, best man will play. I really believe this staff when they say that

I’m excited to get frenchy back. He’s a nasty/ tough dude. And was a very good run blocker as a rook. His pass pro was bad as a rook (like ezuda it is something that takes time to improve)

IMO glowinski has disappointed. He’s good run blocking but has been really bad in pass pro. I expected a higher level base in pass pro

Feliciano has been smart at center. The line has generally been well coordinated with the right calls. Physically he gets his ass whooped a lot. Curious if this staff will give gates a shot at his old job. I thought he did really well for his first year at center and thought he had a pretty good ceiling there

Admittedly I’m a big fan of gates so maybe biased


It seems like we've got depth because we've got a bunch of decent floor OLs who don't stand apart from each other. But probably better quality as a group than we've had. We need a couple of them to raise their ceilings, especially on pass pro. We're more likely to see improvement from Gates, Ezeudo, Bredeson and Neal than we are from Feliciano or Glowinski. From what the coach says, Gates will start when he starts looking better than Feliciano in practice
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Bill in UT : 11/19/2022 1:04 pm : link
In comment 15912822 Bill in UT said:
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5 guys for 3 spots. A testament to the depth built in ONE off season

Anyway, best man will play. I really believe this staff when they say that

I’m excited to get frenchy back. He’s a nasty/ tough dude. And was a very good run blocker as a rook. His pass pro was bad as a rook (like ezuda it is something that takes time to improve)

IMO glowinski has disappointed. He’s good run blocking but has been really bad in pass pro. I expected a higher level base in pass pro

Feliciano has been smart at center. The line has generally been well coordinated with the right calls. Physically he gets his ass whooped a lot. Curious if this staff will give gates a shot at his old job. I thought he did really well for his first year at center and thought he had a pretty good ceiling there

Admittedly I’m a big fan of gates so maybe biased



It seems like we've got depth because we've got a bunch of decent floor OLs who don't stand apart from each other. But probably better quality as a group than we've had. We need a couple of them to raise their ceilings, especially on pass pro. We're more likely to see improvement from Gates, Ezeudo, Bredeson and Neal than we are from Feliciano or Glowinski. From what the coach says, Gates will start when he starts looking better than Feliciano in practice


I forgot to include Lemieux in the group that might step up.
RE: RE: Skinner is decidedly higher on Ezeudu than Lemieux.  
BSIMatt : 11/19/2022 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15912655 KJBBQ said:
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guitarguybs12 said:

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Yeah watching Bobby Skinners o-line reports Ezeudu showed more pass block ability than Lemieux has IMO. Guess they want a run block mauler for another Saquon 30 plus carry game


In Art’s Twitter thread, Bobby S. was asked which LG he prefers going forward, and he said Ezeudu without hedging.

Important to note that Ezeudu wasn’t benched. He missed practice with an injury, and can use more time to heal. It’s good that Lemieux offers a viable alternative. The competition for the LG job has barely begun. OC and RG may eventually be in play too, especially if Glowinski continues to underperform. Skinner’s preference: Ezeudu - ( New Window )



Go back and watch skinner during camp. He was very high on Lemieux. He even said in this week's podcast that it's because he hasn't seen him recently.


Skinner wasn’t the only guy high on Lemieux preseason. The new regime seemed very high on him and he seemed to be very much in their plans for the starting 5. The other point on Lemieux is that does offer some positional flexibility in that he ultimately vie for reps at center as well. Just find the best 5, the right combination. It’s good to have options.
Skinner has been down on Glowinski  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/19/2022 1:24 pm : link
He recently said Glowinski is one of the worst guards and Ezudu has come a ways from where he was at the beginning of the season. He also loves his feet. I'd rather replace Glowinski at this point
RE: Things I learned from this thread  
5BowlsSoon : 11/19/2022 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15912803 Eric from BBI said:
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Given that Bobby Johnson just said yesterday that the players make it easy on him in terms of who will be starting, Bobby Johnson, Mike Kafka, and Brian Daboll are idiots because they think Lemieux and Glowinksi are clearly the best options to start at guard for the New York Giants.

Fans have spoken. Our coaching staff is incompetent.


But Eric….haven’t you heard from Bobby Skinner and others here…..Glowinski is a huge liability. They must know…..
RE: RE: Things I learned from this thread  
KJBBQ : 11/19/2022 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15912846 5BowlsSoon said:
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Given that Bobby Johnson just said yesterday that the players make it easy on him in terms of who will be starting, Bobby Johnson, Mike Kafka, and Brian Daboll are idiots because they think Lemieux and Glowinksi are clearly the best options to start at guard for the New York Giants.

Fans have spoken. Our coaching staff is incompetent.



But Eric….haven’t you heard from Bobby Skinner and others here…..Glowinski is a huge liability. They must know…..


Who is healthy and better? Doesn't mean he is playing well.
Exactly  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/19/2022 1:56 pm : link
Bobby Johnson is a moron. Skinner should be hired immediately as the team's OL coach. If this continues, the Giants should fire Daboll in January.
Eric: I don't think anyone suggested Skinner knows more than Johnson.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/19/2022 2:35 pm : link
He does, however, know a good deal more than most BBI posters. He watches more tape, and has a better grasp of OL technique. I learn a lot from his OL reviews. So his opinion has some value in that regard.

Another reason Skinner's perspective has value is that he can be candid in ways the staff can't. Johnson is more blunt than most of the coaches, but he's never going to come out and say Glowinski is under-performing, whether he is or not. The only time we'll ever know Johnson is considering a change at RG or OC is when he actually makes one.

As for LG, we can only guess the pecking order. Bredeson is out, Ezeudu is dinged, and Lemieux is getting an opportunity. We don't know how the depth chart would look if all three were healthy. We just know that they all rank ahead of Jack Anderson, and that there's no appetite so far for moving Feliciano to guard.
Big Blue Blogger  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/19/2022 2:39 pm : link
I hear what you are saying but it's not what Johnson is only saying, but what the coaches are doing. And what do the coaches think? They think Glowinksi is our starting right guard and Lemieux is our starting left guard.

Bobby Johnson is the only coach we've had in 10 years who seems to be able to coach the offensive line to the point where we have guys like Brian Baldinger who say he is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL.

So I tend to take Bobby Johnson's views over a YouTuber.

But that's me.
RE: Game plan for Sunday: Run the football  
BillKo : 11/19/2022 3:22 pm : link
In comment 15912683 KingBlue said:
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Lemieux strength: Run blocking.

Ezeudu has sore neck and will likely backup Lemieux.


Makes sense to me.

Not rocket science.
Lemieux's starting could have something to do with Ezeudu's being  
Ira : 11/19/2022 4:02 pm : link
limited in practice.
Had not realized the Giants were short of 53  
US1 Giants : 11/19/2022 4:37 pm : link
@DDuggan21
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When LG Shane Lemieux gets activated from IR this afternoon the Giants will have a full 53-man roster for the first time in weeks. TE Lawrence Cager will likely be the only P-squad elevation since the Giants are as healthy as they’ve been in a while.
Eric: It's definitely not just you.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/19/2022 4:40 pm : link
Come Sunday, the coaches' opinions are the only ones that matter. But we need to fill the space between games somehow. Can't occupy six days with a five-minute clip of Coach Johnson saying he'll play the linemen who earn it.
The previous coaching staff  
Jay on the Island : 11/19/2022 6:50 pm : link
was high on Lemieux as is the current one. There is a reason he will start tomorrow and I look forward to seeing the projected starting OL all together for the first time versus Dallas or Washington.

Ezeudu is more athletic and has a higher upside than Lemieux but I feel more comfortable with Lemieux starting this season.
Benched  
RicFlair : 11/20/2022 3:19 pm : link
Josh Ezeudu in at LG after a rough first half from Shane Lemieux.

https://twitter.com/dduggan21/status/1594419810771034112?s=46&t=iqKqbjhCprUWiv-2OIgEQA
Gates in at center though  
RicFlair : 11/20/2022 3:22 pm : link
!
RE: Benched  
Bill in UT : 11/20/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15914681 RicFlair said:
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Josh Ezeudu in at LG after a rough first half from Shane Lemieux.

https://twitter.com/dduggan21/status/1594419810771034112?s=46&t=iqKqbjhCprUWiv-2OIgEQA


I don't think Shane repaid all the Lemieux love. His pass blocking was still awful. Maybe he was just rusty and can still come back strong.
This decision was a big factor in the outcome.  
Matt M. : 11/20/2022 4:29 pm : link
Lemieux was that bad today but run blocking and pass blocking. I really hope they deem Gates OK to proceed at OC. If they really like Lemieux to start and chalk up today as rust, it's got to be at RG.

But, Gates at OC and Neal back make a big difference in the OL.
RE: Big Blue Blogger  
Matt M. : 11/20/2022 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15912878 Eric from BBI said:
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I hear what you are saying but it's not what Johnson is only saying, but what the coaches are doing. And what do the coaches think? They think Glowinksi is our starting right guard and Lemieux is our starting left guard.

Bobby Johnson is the only coach we've had in 10 years who seems to be able to coach the offensive line to the point where we have guys like Brian Baldinger who say he is one of the best OL coaches in the NFL.

So I tend to take Bobby Johnson's views over a YouTuber.

But that's me.
I agree with you about Johnson and Baldinger overall. But, I think the decision to start Lemieux was a big mistake that cost us today.

If Lemieux was and established starter prior to the year, I'd have no problem. But, he had a strong showing his rookie year that was also marred by bad pass blocking. His next season was ended by injury before it began and this year was almost the same.

I view Ezeudu as a better version of Lemieux. I liked Lemieux as a rookie and would love for him to develop as a starter. But, I want the same from Ezeudu, not one or the other.
. . . .  
jeff57 : 11/21/2022 10:43 am : link
Nick Falato
@nickfalato
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Shane Lemieux played 39 total offensive snaps @PFF
graded him as a 0.0 in pass protection after surrendering 5 pressures and a sack
Terrible decision to start him  
Andy in Halifax : 11/21/2022 10:56 am : link
He's never been that good. Occasionally good in the run game, but has always been a disaster in the passing game. Still very much a late round development guy IMO.
I did like Lemieux as a rookie  
Matt M. : 11/21/2022 1:16 pm : link
But could not understand why he was assumed to be the starter the following year with no competition. This is why they got screwed when he wasn't healthy for the season start. It's also why it was mind boggling to me how/why he started yesterday.

He had enough warts in the passing game to raise concerns. The subsequent 2 summers, we didn't see enough of him to think otherwise. Plus, he's coming off 2 summers of injuries.

If Ezeudu had sucked, I could understand. But, we was beginning to improve. He started off similar to Lemieux as a rookie. He has been very strong in the running game, especially with straight ahead blocking, and struggled with pass protection. But, like I said, we haven't seen anything from Lemieux to indicate he would be better. He should have to play his way back into the lineup. The only way yesterday would have made sense would have been if Ezeudu was inactive, which wasn't the case.
RE: Terrible decision to start him  
NYGgolfer : 11/21/2022 2:18 pm : link
In comment 15916563 Andy in Halifax said:
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He's never been that good. Occasionally good in the run game, but has always been a disaster in the passing game. Still very much a late round development guy IMO.


This is about right. SL seems to be able to obtain confidence from the past two coaching staffs, but that must be primarily due to lack of confidence in other available alternatives.

Basically every interior offensive lineman on this roster feels like a reserve that you are okay playing as needed, but not starting too many games in a row.

And here comes a really good pass rushing team in a few days.
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christian : 11/21/2022 2:39 pm : link
As fans we see the results of the games, not the progress made in practice.

Lemieux got beat like a bag yesterday in pass pro, equal to or worse than he did two years ago. I'm sure the reason he got the start was a combination of looking good in practice and EZ’s neck.

I’m sure soon enough this staff will be able to see through Lemieux, and he’ll be relegated to backup.
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