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Some Kayvon Thibodeaux stats

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/19/2022 6:14 pm
NFL Rookie Watch @NFLRookieWatxh

Kayvon Thibodeaux through 7 games:

• 18 total pressures
• 12.6 pass rush win rate (leads all rookies)
• PFF’s highest graded rookie pass rusher

The Giants have themselves a STUD in their rookie edge 🔥
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2022 6:20 pm : link
You forgot to paste point 4.

*He is held EVERY fucking play.
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outeiroj : 11/19/2022 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15913043 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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You forgot to paste point 4.

*He is held EVERY fucking play.


He really isn’t tho. But I’m sure you’ve uncovered a league wide conspiracy to keep him from getting sacks
Meh....  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/19/2022 6:31 pm : link
1 sack he's no Parsons
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2022 6:33 pm : link
In comment 15913047 outeiroj said:
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In comment 15913043 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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You forgot to paste point 4.

*He is held EVERY fucking play.



He really isn’t tho. But I’m sure you’ve uncovered a league wide conspiracy to keep him from getting sacks


Dude. Every play is hyperbole. But he gets held a lot. Watch the games.
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steve in ky : 11/19/2022 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15913047 outeiroj said:
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In comment 15913043 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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You forgot to paste point 4.

*He is held EVERY fucking play.



He really isn’t tho. But I’m sure you’ve uncovered a league wide conspiracy to keep him from getting sacks


Obviously hyperbole to correctly point out that he is held a lot that does seem to get missed
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outeiroj : 11/19/2022 6:38 pm : link
In comment 15913052 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15913043 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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You forgot to paste point 4.

*He is held EVERY fucking play.



He really isn’t tho. But I’m sure you’ve uncovered a league wide conspiracy to keep him from getting sacks



Dude. Every play is hyperbole. But he gets held a lot. Watch the games.


or you could understand the rule

Blocking notes:

(1) When a defensive player is held by an offensive player during the following situations, offensive holding will not be called:

(i) if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a “rip” technique that puts an offensive player in a position that would normally be holding.

Exception: Holding will be called if the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the offensive player’s action

The rip technique is like his only move, hence why it doesn't ever seem to get called
There was a game  
gary_from_chester : 11/19/2022 6:44 pm : link
Osi Umenyiora played against the Steelers. I think it was Cowher who said it was the best game he had ever seen a DE play.

Osi had zero sacks, but he beat the tackle like a drum and rushed Big Ben every play.

You can significantly impact the game without the sack numbers. KT is playing well.
RE: Meh....  
broadbandz : 11/19/2022 6:50 pm : link
In comment 15913051 Larry in Pencilvania said:
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1 sack he's no Parsons


yeah Kavon didnt haze and do very weird stuff in college like Parsons did/
outerioj.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2022 6:54 pm : link
Or I could watch the games and see clear holdings without checking rule book. But cool that you're against a Giant getting obvious calls to the blind eye. You do you pal.
BUT  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 11/19/2022 7:00 pm : link
"hE dOEsN'T hAS LOtS oF sAckS aS A rOOkIE so He is PrOBaBlY A bUsT"
Oh no….  
NJBlueTuna : 11/19/2022 7:01 pm : link
I guess it’s ok to troll on your own site or fantastical projection disease is contagious 😳
RE: ...  
mattlawson : 11/19/2022 7:04 pm : link
In comment 15913043 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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You forgot to paste point 4.

*He is held EVERY fucking play.


He really is held a lot
RE: outerioj.  
outeiroj : 11/19/2022 7:12 pm : link
In comment 15913071 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Or I could watch the games and see clear holdings without checking rule book. But cool that you're against a Giant getting obvious calls to the blind eye. You do you pal.


Maybe you should apply to be a ref then? Oh thats right, you don't actually know the rule, got it
RE: outerioj.  
NJBlueTuna : 11/19/2022 7:15 pm : link
In comment 15913071 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Or I could watch the games and see clear holdings without checking rule book. But cool that you're against a Giant getting obvious calls to the blind eye. You do you pal.


Lol. This might be one of the funniest posts I have seen in years. The poster actually mocks himself and still tries to defend his position.
RE: RE: outerioj.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/19/2022 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15913082 NJBlueTuna said:
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Or I could watch the games and see clear holdings without checking rule book. But cool that you're against a Giant getting obvious calls to the blind eye. You do you pal.



Lol. This might be one of the funniest posts I have seen in years. The poster actually mocks himself and still tries to defend his position.


The poster is me. And I don't give AF what the 'rule book' says. I have eyes. He is being held a lot with no calls.
I just hate to see you guys...  
DefenseWins : 11/19/2022 7:46 pm : link
arguing over something that is not that important.

Lets just have some optimism about what KT can be. He can add a couple more moves. Get stronger and learn the game more. Read screens and other situations which may require him to abandon is original assignment.
Did they say what kitchen utensil he is?  
widmerseyebrow : 11/19/2022 7:48 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: outerioj.  
joeinpa : 11/19/2022 8:23 pm : link
In comment 15913099 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15913071 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Or I could watch the games and see clear holdings without checking rule book. But cool that you're against a Giant getting obvious calls to the blind eye. You do you pal.



Lol. This might be one of the funniest posts I have seen in years. The poster actually mocks himself and still tries to defend his position.



The poster is me. And I don't give AF what the 'rule book' says. I have eyes. He is being held a lot with no calls.
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I m with SF, it sure seems like what I see happening to K. T. gets called for holding a lot every week around the league

Maybe I don’t understand the rule, but why you attacking a good fan and poster like SF for doing what most of us fans do.

You want to make us aware of the rule good, I learn something from what you wrote, but don’t be so dam condescending when you do it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ...  
Fox : 11/19/2022 8:25 pm : link
In comment 15913058 outeiroj said:
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Blocking notes:

(1) When a defensive player is held by an offensive player during the following situations, offensive holding will not be called:

(i) if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a “rip” technique that puts an offensive player in a position that would normally be holding.

Exception: Holding will be called if the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the offensive player’s action

The rip technique is like his only move, hence why it doesn't ever seem to get called


Good luck trying to explain this on a fan site
If pressures was the benchmark for an ER  
Bill in UT : 11/19/2022 9:52 pm : link
Olivier Vernon would still be a Giant
so to sum it up, sounds like he is doing decently for a rookie but  
Del Shofner : 11/19/2022 10:24 pm : link
needs to develop another move or two.

Not losing sleep over it.
he also has the 14th longest tackle of any play this year  
Eric on Li : 11/19/2022 10:28 pm : link
the play where he chased down Etienne against Jax he covered 67 yards to get him.

natural pass rusher who has hustled and had a knack for creating turnovers. really solid looking pick.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/top-plays/longest-tackles/2022/REG/all - ( New Window )
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Brown_Hornet : 11/20/2022 12:56 am : link
In comment 15913058 outeiroj said:
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In comment 15913047 outeiroj said:


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You forgot to paste point 4.

*He is held EVERY fucking play.



He really isn’t tho. But I’m sure you’ve uncovered a league wide conspiracy to keep him from getting sacks



Dude. Every play is hyperbole. But he gets held a lot. Watch the games.



or you could understand the rule

Blocking notes:

(1) When a defensive player is held by an offensive player during the following situations, offensive holding will not be called:

(i) if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a “rip” technique that puts an offensive player in a position that would normally be holding.

Exception: Holding will be called if the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the offensive player’s action

The rip technique is like his only move, hence why it doesn't ever seem to get called
please share the source material.
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outeiroj : 11/20/2022 1:43 am : link
In comment 15913244 Brown_Hornet said:
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In comment 15913047 outeiroj said:


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In comment 15913043 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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You forgot to paste point 4.

*He is held EVERY fucking play.



He really isn’t tho. But I’m sure you’ve uncovered a league wide conspiracy to keep him from getting sacks



Dude. Every play is hyperbole. But he gets held a lot. Watch the games.



or you could understand the rule

Blocking notes:

(1) When a defensive player is held by an offensive player during the following situations, offensive holding will not be called:

(i) if, during a defensive charge, a defensive player uses a “rip” technique that puts an offensive player in a position that would normally be holding.

Exception: Holding will be called if the defender’s feet are taken away from him by the offensive player’s action

The rip technique is like his only move, hence why it doesn't ever seem to get called

please share the source material.


https://operations.nfl.com/media/5kvgzyss/2022-nfl-rulebook-final.pdf

bottom of page 55 into the top of page 56
RE: If pressures was the benchmark for an ER  
ajr2456 : 11/20/2022 4:42 am : link
In comment 15913191 Bill in UT said:
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Olivier Vernon would still be a Giant


The Giants traded for Williams during a year he had .5 sacks.
But yet....  
DTgiants : 11/20/2022 8:04 am : link
a lot of posters here thinks he is a bust or at least disappointing because he is not getting sacks. Good time to educate yourself!
He is doing just fine.  
section125 : 11/20/2022 8:16 am : link
And will get better with experience.
RE: He is doing just fine.  
NYGgolfer : 11/20/2022 9:01 am : link
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And will get better with experience.


Yes, would presume that too. The expectations are extremely high for him though being seen as one of the elite edge rushers to come out of the draft over the last few years. And only likely dropping from clear overall #1 due to some red flags that came out on effort and talk of his brand.

And I would also be lying if I didn't say Sauce Gardner's early successes as a Jet doesn't sting a bit. Too bad Schoen missed him by one pick.

Hopefully the QB hits and sacks start piling up for Thibs and this talk all goes away.
Posters against  
ChrisRick : 11/20/2022 9:13 am : link
Drafting Thibodeaux will be most of the posters latching onto the lack of sacks.
I mentioned his hurries on another thread  
Tuckrule : 11/20/2022 9:36 am : link
The thought he hasn’t lived up to his draft slot is ridiculous. He’s been an all around stud in every aspect of the game. Not to mention he has batted down a few balls as well. His presence and the emergence of ward/oshane makes Ojulari a non thought. Also, I personally think he’s the most overrated player on the roster by giants fans. I’d rather see the combo of ward and oshane over Ojulari even when he’s healthy.
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christian : 11/20/2022 10:07 am : link
That 18 pressures stat looks suspect.
Both he and Neal are busts  
Larry in Pencilvania : 11/20/2022 10:13 am : link
One can't touch the QB and the other waves as they go by. Shoulda drafted someone else
RE: If pressures was the benchmark for an ER  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/20/2022 10:41 am : link
In comment 15913191 Bill in UT said:
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Olivier Vernon would still be a Giant


This is a really ignorant statement -- Vernon's problem was he couldn't stay on the field
A couple of stats with very little context  
Jerry in_DC : 11/20/2022 10:50 am : link
Does not lead to the conclusion that he is a stud pass rusher. It does lend some evidence that he's doing reasonably well for a rookie.
Some Aidan Hutchinson stats  
KingBlue : 11/20/2022 11:16 am : link
Hutchinson has 28 total tackles, 5.5 sacks, 10 quarterback hits, four tackles for loss and one interception, production which dwarfs that of Kayvon Thibodeaux, taken No. 5 by the Giants. In two fewer games, Thibodeaux has 18 tackles, one sack, three quarterback hits, no tackles for loss, one forced fumble and one fumble recovery.
RE: Some Aidan Hutchinson stats  
Jerry in_DC : 11/20/2022 11:18 am : link
In comment 15913495 KingBlue said:
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Hutchinson has 28 total tackles, 5.5 sacks, 10 quarterback hits, four tackles for loss and one interception, production which dwarfs that of Kayvon Thibodeaux, taken No. 5 by the Giants. In two fewer games, Thibodeaux has 18 tackles, one sack, three quarterback hits, no tackles for loss, one forced fumble and one fumble recovery.


Thanks for posting. I was wondering about that. The tweet had all the hallmarks of trying to mislead with slivers of statistical information.

And to be clear, I'm not down on KT. The tweet just struck me as borderline dishonest
RE: RE: If pressures was the benchmark for an ER  
Bill in UT : 11/20/2022 11:29 am : link
In comment 15913448 gidiefor said:
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Olivier Vernon would still be a Giant



This is a really ignorant statement -- Vernon's problem was he couldn't stay on the field


You're certainly right about the injuries. But I'll stick with my comment that he also was a disappointment as far as finishing off plays at the QB
RE: RE: RE: If pressures was the benchmark for an ER  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/20/2022 11:32 am : link
In comment 15913520 Bill in UT said:
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Olivier Vernon would still be a Giant



This is a really ignorant statement -- Vernon's problem was he couldn't stay on the field



You're certainly right about the injuries. But I'll stick with my comment that he also was a disappointment as far as finishing off plays at the QB


that was not your statement -- you are changing your words now
RE: RE: Meh....  
Ben in Tampa : 11/20/2022 11:37 am : link
In comment 15913068 broadbandz said:
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In comment 15913051 Larry in Pencilvania said:


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1 sack he's no Parsons



yeah Kavon didnt haze and do very weird stuff in college like Parsons did/


Parsons has disappeared the last few weeks.
RE: Posters against  
outeiroj : 11/20/2022 11:37 am : link
In comment 15913346 ChrisRick said:
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Drafting Thibodeaux will be most of the posters latching onto the lack of sacks.


just to clarify, despite the lack of "sacks" i believe he's doing a great job. I love his swagger that he brings with him and I think he will do fine.

It's just getting old reading about him being held on every play when it's been repeatedly discussed in the past that its due to his use of a rip technique and posters still want to ignore the rules.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If pressures was the benchmark for an ER  
Bill in UT : 11/20/2022 11:38 am : link
In comment 15913524 gidiefor said:
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Olivier Vernon would still be a Giant



This is a really ignorant statement -- Vernon's problem was he couldn't stay on the field



You're certainly right about the injuries. But I'll stick with my comment that he also was a disappointment as far as finishing off plays at the QB



that was not your statement -- you are changing your words now


Yes, you're right. I literally did change my wording
RE: RE: Posters against  
ChrisRick : 11/20/2022 12:02 pm : link
In comment 15913533 outeiroj said:
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Drafting Thibodeaux will be most of the posters latching onto the lack of sacks.



just to clarify, despite the lack of "sacks" i believe he's doing a great job. I love his swagger that he brings with him and I think he will do fine.

It's just getting old reading about him being held on every play when it's been repeatedly discussed in the past that its due to his use of a rip technique and posters still want to ignore the rules.


That is understandable. Admittedly I did not know about the rip rule until I read it here and confirmed it elsewhere. I honestly do know enough about the responsibilities of an edge rusher (they probably vary scheme to scheme) to know how Kayvon is doing.

One thing I have experienced here is that fans latch onto the first information or data that they feel validates their opinions.
One thing I like about KT is that he is playing smart  
markky : 11/20/2022 12:30 pm : link
grabbing the ball in case it's a fumble, pulling up and not plowing the QB, etc. that pays dividends.
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ChrisRick : 11/20/2022 12:48 pm : link
In comment 15913567 ChrisRick said:
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Drafting Thibodeaux will be most of the posters latching onto the lack of sacks.



just to clarify, despite the lack of "sacks" i believe he's doing a great job. I love his swagger that he brings with him and I think he will do fine.

It's just getting old reading about him being held on every play when it's been repeatedly discussed in the past that its due to his use of a rip technique and posters still want to ignore the rules.



That is understandable. Admittedly I did not know about the rip rule until I read it here and confirmed it elsewhere. I honestly do know enough about the responsibilities of an edge rusher (they probably vary scheme to scheme) to know how Kayvon is doing.

One thing I have experienced here is that fans latch onto the first information or data that they feel validates their opinions.


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