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what does a good obj contract look like?

Eric on Li : 11/20/2022 11:15 am
this is a really hard one because there aren't many or any relevant comps so whatever it ends up i expect it to be pretty creative. but we've seen the number "$20m" thrown out there so if that's the case here's a stab at one way to do that.



as is this is basically a 1.5 year deal guaranteeing OBJ 20m cash over the next 12 months. A prove it deal for both sides that will likely lead to either a renegotiated extension in 2024 in success or a cut with minimal pain if he tanks.

compared to the options at the deadline, like giving up picks for DJ Moore or Cooks who each had similar 18-20m guarantees next year, or giving up a 2nd for an inferior but cheaper Claypool, this seems a much smarter use of assets for nyg. the only risk is some cap room next year when OBJ is probably better than any 2023 UFA WR.

additionally, with a structure like this if they wanted they could convert ~9m of his base salary next year into actual signing bonus, which would lower his cap hit to 15.5m (or even lower if they choose to add void years).

so yeah it's a bit of a gamble to hope he can make an impact sight unseen post ACL surgery, but imo it seems like a worthy one. It's just cap space. and it proactively reduces the exposure of canceling out a comp pick by having to sign a UFA WR in March 2023.

the cowboys have a little more cap space than nyg right now (roughly 6m vs. 3m) but they project to have no free cap space currently in 2023. so it would probably a much longer deal (4 years?) with something like a 10m signing bonus now and a 10m gtd salary next year that also gets restructured right away in march. but that would essentially punt 15m down the road to 2024 when Lamb and Parsons are going to need extensions.
Signed  
noro9 : 11/20/2022 11:16 am : link
By Jerry Jones
Vet min  
Mattman : 11/20/2022 11:16 am : link
Is what he should get
RE: Vet min  
Eric on Li : 11/20/2022 11:18 am : link
In comment 15913499 Mattman said:
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Is what he should get


he's going to get what the market is willing to pay.
Didn't the Rams pay  
uther99 : 11/20/2022 11:24 am : link
1.25 million, before his second ACL?
It should look temporary  
Marty in Albany : 11/20/2022 11:25 am : link
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Paper  
RicFlair : 11/20/2022 11:28 am : link
Words.
i know the Giants need WR help  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/20/2022 11:29 am : link
but I think that the $20 million you target for next year could be put to much better use
Eat min  
BillT : 11/20/2022 11:31 am : link
This guy hasn’t played a down of football since his 2nd ACL. He’s 30. Guy like this get prove it, vet min offers. Standard offer.
A 2 or 3 year deal is ridiculous. No one knows how if he is 90% of  
Ivan15 : 11/20/2022 11:33 am : link
The old OBJ or 50% of the old OBJ. Offer a prove-it deal. If he doesn’t like it, let him go. If he does well for the rest of the season, the Giants or someone else will pay him whatever he wants next year and beyond.
RE: Didn't the Rams pay  
Eric on Li : 11/20/2022 11:34 am : link
In comment 15913514 uther99 said:
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1.25 million, before his second ACL?


yes - coming off getting cut after 17 catches for 232 yards and 0 tds in 6 games. the Browns were also eating 12.5m of dead money.

if that were the situation right now then he would again probably get the minimum.

his situation changed when he put up 7 tds in 12 games for the rams including a bunch of big plays that helped them win a SB because he was trending to getting an even bigger multi-year contract until it changed again with the acl injury.
RE: A 2 or 3 year deal is ridiculous. No one knows how if he is 90% of  
Eric on Li : 11/20/2022 11:36 am : link
In comment 15913525 Ivan15 said:
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The old OBJ or 50% of the old OBJ. Offer a prove-it deal. If he doesn’t like it, let him go. If he does well for the rest of the season, the Giants or someone else will pay him whatever he wants next year and beyond.


this structure is exactly a prove it deal. the prove it is next year with this year at the league minimum thrown in as a bonus.
RE: RE: A 2 or 3 year deal is ridiculous. No one knows how if he is 90% of  
MOOPS : 11/20/2022 11:50 am : link
In comment 15913529 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15913525 Ivan15 said:


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The old OBJ or 50% of the old OBJ. Offer a prove-it deal. If he doesn’t like it, let him go. If he does well for the rest of the season, the Giants or someone else will pay him whatever he wants next year and beyond.



this structure is exactly a prove it deal. the prove it is next year with this year at the league minimum thrown in as a bonus.


$20M in 2023 is not a prove it deal. That's Kenny Golladay money.
I am all for making him an offer  
EJNNJ : 11/20/2022 12:34 pm : link
that we can leave with but gotta say NO to 20mm in 2023. IMO i'd make it vet min for the balance of the season with a player option deal for 2023 guaranteed for 10-12mm, let him bet on himself and if it doesn't work out and he gets injured and is DONE he'll still get his 10-12mm but we'd "only" be stuck on 10mm as well.
Vet minimum for this year  
5BowlsSoon : 11/20/2022 12:46 pm : link
Nothing for next year. Wait and see.
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