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larryflower37 : 11/20/2022 2:15 pm
Mitchell Robinson is back
Cam is out they have not announced starters yet
#LGK
Can’t get here soon enough.  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2022 2:55 pm : link
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Grimes starts  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 3:03 pm : link
Chris paul out for Suns
Grimes gets the start  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2022 3:04 pm : link
Hopefully this is the start of the future.
Grimes looks great.  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2022 3:56 pm : link
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What a half by Grimes  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2022 4:37 pm : link
The extra pass and defense on Booker.
Pretty good  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/20/2022 5:01 pm : link
Quentin Grimes’ 7 assists so far today aren’t just a career high; they’re the most for any Knicks wing this season. It ties Randle’s season high, and is one fewer than IQ’s season high. Not bad for the first game back in the rotation.
Why is Randle standing in the paint  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 5:02 pm : link
while his man is wide open in the corner? why do you need 2 bigs standing in the paint?
God I fucking hate Randle.  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2022 5:10 pm : link
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Randle you selfish prick  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 5:11 pm : link
Brunson is cooking and you decide to kill all momentum by hoisting up a terrible 3 and then turnover
I see Thibs is still running RJ into the ground  
Anakim : 11/20/2022 5:12 pm : link
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Knicks hVe 2 of the most selfish players  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 5:12 pm : link
in Rj and Randle i have ever seen
RE: Knicks hVe 2 of the most selfish players  
Anakim : 11/20/2022 5:12 pm : link
In comment 15915385 nygiants16 said:
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in Rj and Randle i have ever seen


Al Harrington and Tim Thomas have to be up there
RE: RE: Knicks hVe 2 of the most selfish players  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15915390 Anakim said:
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in Rj and Randle i have ever seen



Al Harrington and Tim Thomas have to be up there


but they had no one else, Brunson is cooking and these 2 morons continue to chuck
Breen is even killing RJ.  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2022 5:18 pm : link
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RE: Breen is even killing RJ.  
Anakim : 11/20/2022 5:19 pm : link
In comment 15915414 bceagle05 said:
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The guy is sick and/or hurt and is absolutely killing the team, but Thibs refuses to pull him. I mean fuck, I hate Fournier, but if ever there was a time to play him....
So between Tuesday and Friday, we can fire Thibs, right?  
Anakim : 11/20/2022 5:21 pm : link
"Welcome back from the West Coast. Here's your pink slip."
What i dont get  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 5:22 pm : link
everytime Toppin and Randle play together it works, so why do we only see it when the team is down 10?
Randle doesn't want to get traded to the Suns I take it?  
widmerseyebrow : 11/20/2022 5:22 pm : link
(or anyone?)
Eight assists for Grimes.  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2022 5:40 pm : link
That's about a month's worth for RJ.
Why are the Knicks so bad in the third quarter????  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/20/2022 5:42 pm : link
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So we play again tomorrow  
Anakim : 11/20/2022 5:43 pm : link
And then we come home and we can fire Thibs then, right?
RE: Why are the Knicks so bad in the third quarter????  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 5:45 pm : link
In comment 15915495 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Bevause Thibs doesnt adjust
Good for you guys  
Stu11 : 11/20/2022 5:57 pm : link
After that Giants debacle, the last thing I was gonna subject myself to was this shit show.
RE: Good for you guys  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/20/2022 6:03 pm : link
In comment 15915532 Stu11 said:
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After that Giants debacle, the last thing I was gonna subject myself to was this shit show.


They were down 7 or 8 in the third, then I went to fold some laundry. I came back and they were down 20. Shit’s ridiculous.
Good teams tend to coast through the first half too.  
bceagle05 : 11/20/2022 6:03 pm : link
Once they decide to drop the hammer, it's over.
RE: Eight assists for Grimes.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/20/2022 6:07 pm : link
In comment 15915493 bceagle05 said:
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That's about a month's worth for RJ.


Lmao
So Grimes played tonight  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 6:09 pm : link
he couldnt play the past 2 games with Rj shitting the bed?
Knicks struggles are simple  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 6:17 pm : link
your 2nd and 3rd best players are selfish chuckers that dont care how much they miss they are just going to keep shooting anf a coach who gives them a leash to do whatever they want..

You then have a coach who rather than adjusting to the 3 point shooting continues with his archaic schemes of having every player helping in the paint rather than contesting 3s..

Then you have a coach who never adjusts to what is happening in game, there is only 1 player that should be guaranteed 35 minutes and thats Brunson, nobody else should be guaranteed minutes..the best 5 should play the most that night
Serious question  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2022 6:28 pm : link
Hpw does a player go from not good enough to be in the rotation to starting and getting 32 minutes.
It's malpractice.
So Grimes could not have helped in the last 5 or 6 games.
RE: Serious question  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 6:30 pm : link
In comment 15915602 larryflower37 said:
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Hpw does a player go from not good enough to be in the rotation to starting and getting 32 minutes.
It's malpractice.
So Grimes could not have helped in the last 5 or 6 games.


Its unbelievable, instead Rj, who is sick, is playing over 35 minutes while playing terrible..

its really frustrating, i feel like the posters on BBI could coach this team better
Yeesh  
Spider43 : 11/20/2022 7:16 pm : link
Lost weekend for NY. At least Grimes is rounding back into form, Deuce got some burn, and Mitch is back. All-out effort tomorrow to salvage the road trip!
This is the Randle 90% of the time  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2022 8:33 pm : link
This is why he has zero trade value.
Randle at his best. - ( New Window )
He runs so hot and cold it's unbearable.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/20/2022 8:38 pm : link
How do you have a game like denver then do that.

I've been hesitant to want him gone but I'm just tired of it. It is not too much to ask for a consistent night to night effort.

I am not going to single out a player  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 9:20 pm : link
but this team needs a trade, the mix is not very good and there are some young players that need minutes who play the right way, move the ball and play defense..
I dont watch the games  
BigBlue565358 : 11/20/2022 9:26 pm : link
but I do look at boxscores, and it seems Barrett has many bad shooting nights. So I looked at his career numbers, he is a 41% career shooter. This is a guy people want to build around?
So did Thibs get another month after the first two wins of this  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/20/2022 9:45 pm : link
roadtrip?

How many draft picks do we have and won't use this year?
Thibs is not going anywhere  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2022 10:27 pm : link
I don't the FO thinks he is the problem.
RE: Thibs is not going anywhere  
nygiants16 : 11/20/2022 10:31 pm : link
In comment 15915964 larryflower37 said:
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I don't the FO thinks he is the problem.


the solution is so simple, but i dont think this front offixe wants to make that decision..

The rebuild should be so easy from here on out, the assets are in place but i dont think Rose has the guts to make the moves necassary
Some stuff i have heard  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 8:19 am : link
Knicks stuff: They have called around on Randle but teams want draft picks to take him, same with Fournier.

Teams have called the Knicks on Rose thinking he can be a game changer come playoff time off the bench..

Teams think the Knicks will eventually trade Quickley or Toppin..

Around the league:

SGA is frustrated mainly because he feels he wont get the recognition as a superstar in OKC, he has told Presti he is willing to play out this year but he wants win now moves to start happening soon..

Watch out for the Bulls, if things continue the way its going you could see them blowing it up by the deadline
RE: Thibs is not going anywhere  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2022 9:08 am : link
In comment 15915964 larryflower37 said:
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I don't the FO thinks he is the problem.


A good portion of the front office does.
RE: Some stuff i have heard  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2022 9:09 am : link
In comment 15916164 nygiants16 said:
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SGA is frustrated mainly because he feels he wont get the recognition as a superstar in OKC, he has told Presti he is willing to play out this year but he wants win now moves to start happening soon..



They made an offer during the summer and got a hard no.
RE: RE: Thibs is not going anywhere  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 9:10 am : link
In comment 15916215 ajr2456 said:
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I don't the FO thinks he is the problem.



A good portion of the front office does.


If Wes was in charge Thibs would of been fired last year at the all star break..

Rose seema afraid to make a move
RE: RE: Thibs is not going anywhere  
TyreeHelmet : 11/21/2022 9:27 am : link
In comment 15916215 ajr2456 said:
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I don't the FO thinks he is the problem.



A good portion of the front office does.


What’s your honest take AJ? Does firing Thibs help?
RE: RE: RE: Thibs is not going anywhere  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 9:32 am : link
In comment 15916265 TyreeHelmet said:
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I don't the FO thinks he is the problem.



A good portion of the front office does.



What’s your honest take AJ? Does firing Thibs help?


Only if the knew coach has carte blanche to coach this team how he wants, meaning if Randle or Rj is sucking up the joint he can sit them both on the bench
Seriously, when do guys start losing jobs?  
Matt M. : 11/21/2022 9:34 am : link
Starting with Thibs. His first year, they over achieved by playing absolutely all out every night and Randle had a career year. Since, they play no D, Randle regressed back to his career, and the team still sucks.
Yes I think firing Thibs changes a lot with this team.  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2022 9:43 am : link
They aren’t as bad as they’ve played this year, and most of the issues stem from Thibs philosophy and stubbornness. He was the one who didn’t want to trade Grimes but now he’s a situational player. The front office forced his hand with Fournier, he didn’t make that move willingly.

If I had to put a number on it I’d say 70% of the front office wants him out. The decision makers for some reason haven’t pulled the trigger.
Knicks  
TyreeHelmet : 11/21/2022 9:47 am : link
At what point do the Knicks go the other way and try to get in the mix for a top pick? Trade off Randle- even if you have attach a pick who cares. Move or bench Fournier and Rose.

Find out what you truly have in Toppin/IQ/ Grimes etc. if they succeed then that’s great. If they struggle and the team loses- they increase their chances in a loaded draft.
RE: Knicks  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 9:51 am : link
In comment 15916323 TyreeHelmet said:
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At what point do the Knicks go the other way and try to get in the mix for a top pick? Trade off Randle- even if you have attach a pick who cares. Move or bench Fournier and Rose.

Find out what you truly have in Toppin/IQ/ Grimes etc. if they succeed then that’s great. If they struggle and the team loses- they increase their chances in a loaded draft.


I dont think they go the other way if you trade randle..

Ball would be in Brunsons hands more, Toppin is not lazy on defense and the team instantly becomes faster..
There’s a decent chance of that I think  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2022 9:52 am : link
Especially when you look at how much they value picks.
I think the problems of this team  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 9:57 am : link
is 60% Thibs between his schemes, rotations and his in game coaching..

40% is players mainly Rj and Randle, i have tried to give Rj the benefit of the doubt bit he is just as bad as Randle. He is selfish, lazy at points during the game and jist looks lost.

Fact is Brunson should have a much higher usage but you got 2 guys in Rj and Randle that have no self awareness and continue to chuck up shots even when they are missing, they shoot the Knicks out of games and Thibs continues to give them long leashes
ajr2456...  
bceagle05 : 11/21/2022 10:03 am : link
Do you know any details of the RJ decision around Labor Day? You may have shared it at the time, but did Leon lose a game of chicken there with Utah when he gave RJ the contract?
RE: ajr2456...  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2022 10:16 am : link
In comment 15916387 bceagle05 said:
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Do you know any details of the RJ decision around Labor Day? You may have shared it at the time, but did Leon lose a game of chicken there with Utah when he gave RJ the contract?


From everyone I’ve spoken to they’ve said that when the started to finalize the extension they knew they weren’t getting Mitchell and the Cleveland deal was gaining a lot of momentum.
Got it, thanks.  
bceagle05 : 11/21/2022 10:22 am : link
RJ's gonna start to hear it from the MSG crowd on the next homestand if the shooting doesn't improve a bit.
I have not lost hope on RJ  
larryflower37 : 11/21/2022 10:53 am : link
The lack of discipline and role comes from the coach, at 22 he can adapt to a new style and approach.
Randle, Fournier, and a hurt Rose will take a miracle to move if they are not willing to part with their precious heavily protected 1's.
Moves have to start soon too many good players that deserve minutes even Mcbride deserves to be in someone's rotation somewhere.
Obi and IQ last two games  
shyster : 11/21/2022 11:06 am : link
Obi: 35 minutes, 0-9 FG, 0-5 3 pt

IQ: 55 minutes, 1-11 FG, 0-5 3 pt

90 combined minutes of court time, 1-20 FG, 0-10 3 pt

If there's one problem the Knicks don't have, it's too many good players.
RE: Obi and IQ last two games  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 11:09 am : link
In comment 15916585 shyster said:
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Obi: 35 minutes, 0-9 FG, 0-5 3 pt

IQ: 55 minutes, 1-11 FG, 0-5 3 pt

90 combined minutes of court time, 1-20 FG, 0-10 3 pt

If there's one problem the Knicks don't have, it's too many good players.


Great they have played bad for 2 games shooting the ball, now do the games before that..

You can cherry pick anyones 2 games and say hey this guy isnt good..
One thing i have noticed about Obi  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 11:17 am : link
he is not leaking out to get easy buckets and if Thibs told him to stop, then he is an even bigger idiot than i thought..

You play a shotblocker and rebounder for 48 minutes, you shouldnt need everyone crashing the glass
RE: I have not lost hope on RJ  
TyreeHelmet : 11/21/2022 11:23 am : link
In comment 15916552 larryflower37 said:
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The lack of discipline and role comes from the coach, at 22 he can adapt to a new style and approach.
Randle, Fournier, and a hurt Rose will take a miracle to move if they are not willing to part with their precious heavily protected 1's.
Moves have to start soon too many good players that deserve minutes even Mcbride deserves to be in someone's rotation somewhere.


How can you blame Barrett’s poor play on Thibs? What new style and approach can fix the issues with his game?

No chance this happens but would you trade Barrett and Randle to the Lakers for Westbrook and their 2027 unprotected 1st?

I dont blame the poor play on thibs  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/21/2022 11:31 am : link
But I do blame thibs for continuing to play him. Work that out on the practice court. It's not like he's earned his very own set of Jordan rules.
RE: I dont blame the poor play on thibs  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 11:40 am : link
In comment 15916645 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But I do blame thibs for continuing to play him. Work that out on the practice court. It's not like he's earned his very own set of Jordan rules.


THIS
The problem with RJ  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 11:42 am : link
is he is horribly ineffecient which is caused by bad shooting and terrible shot selection, he is a very selfish player

BUT , if you lower his usage he becomes a useless player because he is just not going to score enough because he is not effecient enough..

You just are not going to win a lot of games with Rj and Randle taking the most shots and being your 2nd and 3rd best players..
RE: RE: I have not lost hope on RJ  
larryflower37 : 11/21/2022 11:48 am : link
In comment 15916630 TyreeHelmet said:
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The lack of discipline and role comes from the coach, at 22 he can adapt to a new style and approach.
Randle, Fournier, and a hurt Rose will take a miracle to move if they are not willing to part with their precious heavily protected 1's.
Moves have to start soon too many good players that deserve minutes even Mcbride deserves to be in someone's rotation somewhere.



How can you blame Barrett’s poor play on Thibs? What new style and approach can fix the issues with his game?

No chance this happens but would you trade Barrett and Randle to the Lakers for Westbrook and their 2027 unprotected 1st?

Barrett's poor play is a part of no accountability and no ramifications.
coaching can improve shot selection and efficiency.
Randle and Barrett are untouchable and get 34-37 minutes no matter how they perform they are treated like superstars.
Barrett should be playing with the 2nd unit and coached on efficiency and better shot selection. More time watching and learning.
Randle needs to have a coach kick him in the ass and tell him to sit down and shut up you are not as good as you think you are. Limit his minutes and when he is lazy or doing his ISO garbage he takes a seat.
Coaching can improve players and it can destroy players.
RE: RE: Obi and IQ last two games  
shyster : 11/21/2022 11:54 am : link
In comment 15916595 nygiants16 said:
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Great they have played bad for 2 games shooting the ball, now do the games before that..

You can cherry pick anyones 2 games and say hey this guy isnt good..


IQ is shooting 27% from three and 35% from the field for the year.
RE: RE: RE: Obi and IQ last two games  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/21/2022 12:00 pm : link
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Great they have played bad for 2 games shooting the ball, now do the games before that..

You can cherry pick anyones 2 games and say hey this guy isnt good..



IQ is shooting 27% from three and 35% from the field for the year.


At least he's playing defense for sure. Shooting woes happen, it hasn't affected him on the other. I cannot say that for Barrett. His reaction to shooting poorly is to keep shooting at fairly high volume because the coach enables it. Quickley and Toppin get the hook if they tie their shoes in a way Thibs doesnt like.

RE: RE: RE: Obi and IQ last two games  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 12:01 pm : link
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Great they have played bad for 2 games shooting the ball, now do the games before that..

You can cherry pick anyones 2 games and say hey this guy isnt good..



IQ is shooting 27% from three and 35% from the field for the year.


Hes also playing great defense, rebounding and setting up his teammates, he is also taking 3 shots less per game than last year, menaing he is understanding his shot isnt falling and helping the team in other ways..

Against Denver he played his role and shut down Murray in the 4th quarter..

There is a difference between how Quickley is playing and Rj
not to change the subject  
larryflower37 : 11/21/2022 12:12 pm : link
but it's pretty impressive what Haliburton is doing in Indy.
Another big-time draft miss and trade option when we were dying for a PG.
I've been a huge RJ defender  
Mike from SI : 11/21/2022 12:16 pm : link
but he has been bad most of the season and needs to pick up the shooting. I remain confident that he will, but the current version of his production is unsustainable.
I will say  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 1:07 pm : link
if you take Rj and Randle out of the lineup and for arguments sake Cam was healthy, i dont think the Knicks get blown out yesterday, i think they still lose but the Suns dont blow it open like they did
Also  
Carl in CT : 11/21/2022 2:56 pm : link
Some in front office were never sold on RJ. But didn’t say enough cause Leon was trying to save face. After an inner circle meeting Leon insisted that everyone make their case in the future (with his final say of course) cause if you just sit on your hands why do we need you?
RE: Also  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15917034 Carl in CT said:
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Some in front office were never sold on RJ. But didn’t say enough cause Leon was trying to save face. After an inner circle meeting Leon insisted that everyone make their case in the future (with his final say of course) cause if you just sit on your hands why do we need you?


is there anything on the burner?
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DanMetroMan : 11/21/2022 3:07 pm : link
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The Knicks are last in the NBA in:

🏀 Opponent offensive rebounds
🏀 Opponent shots attempted
🏀 Opponent 3s attempted
🏀 Opponent 3s made
Their poor defense when defending the three is killing them  
steve in ky : 11/21/2022 3:19 pm : link
For some reason they keep leaving opponents wide open for any easy three and they just don’t correct it, it’s every game.

RE: Their poor defense when defending the three is killing them  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 3:20 pm : link
In comment 15917074 steve in ky said:
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For some reason they keep leaving opponents wide open for any easy three and they just don’t correct it, it’s every game.


Its Thibs scheme, he protects the paint first and then has guys running out to 3 point shooters
Also when you continue  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 3:28 pm : link
to play slow footed 5 men who dont like coming to the perimiter you are going to continue to give up open 3s..

Your playing 2 bigs who dont want to come to the perimiter, so you got 3 guys scrambiling, teams just make the extra pass and they get an open 3
RE: RE: Their poor defense when defending the three is killing them  
steve in ky : 11/21/2022 3:29 pm : link
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For some reason they keep leaving opponents wide open for any easy three and they just don’t correct it, it’s every game.




Its Thibs scheme, he protects the paint first and then has guys running out to 3 point shooters


A couple of years ago under Thibs weren’t they one of the better teams defending the three?
RE: Also  
TyreeHelmet : 11/21/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15917034 Carl in CT said:
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Some in front office were never sold on RJ. But didn’t say enough cause Leon was trying to save face. After an inner circle meeting Leon insisted that everyone make their case in the future (with his final say of course) cause if you just sit on your hands why do we need you?


Then why not let him go to restricted free agency after this season? Same argument applies to extending Randle ahead of time.

Two major miscalculations by Leon Rose that is and will be hurting the Knicks in the long run.
RE: RE: RE: Their poor defense when defending the three is killing them  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 3:31 pm : link
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For some reason they keep leaving opponents wide open for any easy three and they just don’t correct it, it’s every game.




Its Thibs scheme, he protects the paint first and then has guys running out to 3 point shooters



A couple of years ago under Thibs weren’t they one of the better teams defending the three?


Because teams missed wide open 3s, Knicks gave up the most wide open 3s that year but teams only shot 32% on those..
RE: RE: Also  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15917099 TyreeHelmet said:
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Some in front office were never sold on RJ. But didn’t say enough cause Leon was trying to save face. After an inner circle meeting Leon insisted that everyone make their case in the future (with his final say of course) cause if you just sit on your hands why do we need you?



Then why not let him go to restricted free agency after this season? Same argument applies to extending Randle ahead of time.

Two major miscalculations by Leon Rose that is and will be hurting the Knicks in the long run.


Hard to fault them on the Randle extension he was coming off an all star/all nba season snd he took a huge discount to sign otherwise he woukd of been an unrestricted free agent
RE: RE: Their poor defense when defending the three is killing them  
larryflower37 : 11/21/2022 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15917076 nygiants16 said:
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For some reason they keep leaving opponents wide open for any easy three and they just don’t correct it, it’s every game.





Its Thibs scheme, he protects the paint first and then has guys running out to 3 point shooters


I will argue that it's a basic man help defense that's poorly executed.
Thibs is not running some fancy defense
I don't fault him for the scheme they communicate poorly, don't switch well and recover on switches.
Their close outs on a good ball movement teams are weak especially Randle.
There is no special sauce on man to man help defense but hustle and communication that's why when Randle is in it and working hard you see the difference but when he is not it all breaks down.
Most of the other players work hard even Fournier some are more limited physically.
RE: RE: RE: Their poor defense when defending the three is killing them  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 3:39 pm : link
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For some reason they keep leaving opponents wide open for any easy three and they just don’t correct it, it’s every game.





Its Thibs scheme, he protects the paint first and then has guys running out to 3 point shooters



I will argue that it's a basic man help defense that's poorly executed.
Thibs is not running some fancy defense
I don't fault him for the scheme they communicate poorly, don't switch well and recover on switches.
Their close outs on a good ball movement teams are weak especially Randle.
There is no special sauce on man to man help defense but hustle and communication that's why when Randle is in it and working hard you see the difference but when he is not it all breaks down.
Most of the other players work hard even Fournier some are more limited physically.


I am not arguing any of that Randle hurts them defensively no doubt but Thibs philosphy is protect paint first and then run out, its why hr always has a shotblocker on the court..

In todays NBA a lot of teams go small so they can switch everything..

Knicks do the opposite and when you have 2 bigs incapable of getting out to shooters it hurts your 3 point defense
RE: RE: RE: RE: Their poor defense when defending the three is killing them  
larryflower37 : 11/21/2022 4:15 pm : link
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For some reason they keep leaving opponents wide open for any easy three and they just don’t correct it, it’s every game.





Its Thibs scheme, he protects the paint first and then has guys running out to 3 point shooters



I will argue that it's a basic man help defense that's poorly executed.
Thibs is not running some fancy defense
I don't fault him for the scheme they communicate poorly, don't switch well and recover on switches.
Their close outs on a good ball movement teams are weak especially Randle.
There is no special sauce on man to man help defense but hustle and communication that's why when Randle is in it and working hard you see the difference but when he is not it all breaks down.
Most of the other players work hard even Fournier some are more limited physically.



I am not arguing any of that Randle hurts them defensively no doubt but Thibs philosphy is protect paint first and then run out, its why hr always has a shotblocker on the court..

In todays NBA a lot of teams go small so they can switch everything..

Knicks do the opposite and when you have 2 bigs incapable of getting out to shooters it hurts your 3 point defense

That's a man to man concept that most teams run.
2 things your wings can get too deep and need to react quicker.
Your guards need to tighten up so the swing around is slower. Your bigs need to be able to guard away from the basket on a 5 out which Robinson can't and you can't be lazy or tired.
Lazy players don't switch well and start to guard who is in front of them aka Randle on most nights and no one calls him out or pushes him away.
I don't like Thibs and never defend him but the defense is not his fault unless you blame him for letting his player be lazy and not hustle but it's not some weird concept.
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For some reason they keep leaving opponents wide open for any easy three and they just don’t correct it, it’s every game.





Its Thibs scheme, he protects the paint first and then has guys running out to 3 point shooters



I will argue that it's a basic man help defense that's poorly executed.
Thibs is not running some fancy defense
I don't fault him for the scheme they communicate poorly, don't switch well and recover on switches.
Their close outs on a good ball movement teams are weak especially Randle.
There is no special sauce on man to man help defense but hustle and communication that's why when Randle is in it and working hard you see the difference but when he is not it all breaks down.
Most of the other players work hard even Fournier some are more limited physically.



I am not arguing any of that Randle hurts them defensively no doubt but Thibs philosphy is protect paint first and then run out, its why hr always has a shotblocker on the court..

In todays NBA a lot of teams go small so they can switch everything..

Knicks do the opposite and when you have 2 bigs incapable of getting out to shooters it hurts your 3 point defense


That's a man to man concept that most teams run.
2 things your wings can get too deep and need to react quicker.
Your guards need to tighten up so the swing around is slower. Your bigs need to be able to guard away from the basket on a 5 out which Robinson can't and you can't be lazy or tired.
Lazy players don't switch well and start to guard who is in front of them aka Randle on most nights and no one calls him out or pushes him away.
I don't like Thibs and never defend him but the defense is not his fault unless you blame him for letting his player be lazy and not hustle but it's not some weird concept.


cant argue with anything you are saying, even if i want to 😆
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