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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/20/2022 3:59 pm
Giants injury losses today:

Jason Pinnock (jaw)
Jon Feliciano (neck)
Wan'Dale Robinson (knee)
Adoree' Jackson (knee)
Fabian Moreau (ribs)
Tyre Philips (neck)
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RE: RE: RE: RE: I have trouble following..  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/20/2022 6:35 pm : link
In comment 15915604 ajr2456 said:
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It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?

There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)



Typical of you, no interest in discussing football, just personal attacks.

Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.

Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.


One being a 4th down prayer down a million while being pressured. Idk why thats being held against Jones to prop up this narrative.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: How many QBs in football could  
joeinpa : 11/20/2022 6:38 pm : link
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.



Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.



Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.



I don’t hate Jones. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB of the future. He was also bad today. Just facts


Jones was bad today? Hutchinson made an unbelievable play, and Daniel missed a tough throw to Robinson

Jones was actually pretty good today. 347 and 50, hard to define that as factually bad.

I think he showed he can put up big numbers despite very limited resources.
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jvm52106 : 11/20/2022 6:40 pm : link
In comment 15915583 Eric from BBI said:
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When they cut it to 24-12, I still thought they had a chance. The third turnover sealed it for good.

I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.


Today two other areas were major factors too:

1) Our tackling is not good. We allowed a few 1st half drives to continue due to bad tackling. That wears a defense down over time.2) we can't get a clean pass rush. We get pressure, usually via a blitz but we are not getting to the QB;
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FatMan in Charlotte : 11/20/2022 6:41 pm : link
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Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.

Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.


So wait - throwing for under 200 yards is unsustainable to winning and you use a game where they threw for 350 and lost??

Since you delude yourself into thinking you actually talk "football" instead of just rail against Jones in hundreds of posts each week, I wonder how much of your posting time will take Barkley and the OL to task this week? You'll still have hundreds of posts in your hours long time suck, and those other areas will be a passing mention if brought up at all by you.

Talking "football" requires more than just droning on about one thing over and over and over and fucking over - but you don't get that, Ace.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I have trouble following..  
ajr2456 : 11/20/2022 6:42 pm : link
In comment 15915621 OBJ_AllDay said:
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One being a 4th down prayer down a million while being pressured. Idk why thats being held against Jones to prop up this narrative.


It was 4th and 5.
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DisgruntledNYGfan : 11/20/2022 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15915438 PatersonPlank said:
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.



Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.



I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.


Agree.

We can't blame him for the second pick. It was fourth down and he had nowhere else to go with the ball. He gave his wr a shot but the coverage was too good. It's not dissimilar from being picked on a Hail Mary. What's he supposed to do, throw the ball away?
Reading the various post and threads  
SomeFan : 11/20/2022 6:45 pm : link
Sounds like the ship be sinking.
RE: LOL...  
ajr2456 : 11/20/2022 6:46 pm : link
In comment 15915640 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.

Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.



So wait - throwing for under 200 yards is unsustainable to winning and you use a game where they threw for 350 and lost??

Since you delude yourself into thinking you actually talk "football" instead of just rail against Jones in hundreds of posts each week, I wonder how much of your posting time will take Barkley and the OL to task this week? You'll still have hundreds of posts in your hours long time suck, and those other areas will be a passing mention if brought up at all by you.

Talking "football" requires more than just droning on about one thing over and over and over and fucking over - but you don't get that, Ace.


See that’s not what happens. I’m involved in plenty of other discussions unrelated to Jones. You just take what fits your narrative. I’ve said multiple times everyone sucked today. Only one person is getting excuses though. Most of my conversations about Jones the past few weeks have been mostly about the financials. He’s been better this year, wasn’t good today. Those are fair takes, the defensive mode you guys go into is weird.

It’s ok Scott. Be mad at the Giants not me.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/20/2022 6:52 pm : link
I know some people on this forum that run to the mods when their personal information is used. And since GNewgiants was somehow banned today from interactions with you - I find that ironic.

Luckily for you, I don't waste hours on this site anymore debating foolish takes of those who fancy themselves to be intelligent, so I have no inclination to run and tell the hall monitor.

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Red Right Hand : 11/20/2022 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15915018 BleedBlue said:
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We stink.

Embarrassed at home by shit Detroit and now to add to the shortest major injuries to key guys


Robinson man second rounder is looking like a huge wasted second rounder dudes been hurt more than healthy and now his season over….
he'll spend most of next year recuperating as well. Just awful, feel bad for him, and us.
You don’t spend time on this site  
ajr2456 : 11/20/2022 6:57 pm : link
For your incident last year.

And not sure how Gnew got banned because of me.
Pretty sure he got  
ajr2456 : 11/20/2022 6:59 pm : link
Suspended for his posts in the Hutchinson and “will we win another game thread”, but sure blame it on me.
Jones  
PaulN : 11/20/2022 6:59 pm : link
Was good today. You have to be kidding. With the shit offensive line Olay and the garbage he is throwing to, how can you possibly knock him. The guy is the biggest reason the team is 7-3. Him, not Barkley, but Jones is the biggest reason the team is 7-3. But you have to expect this. I am pussed at 1 thing and 1 person, John Mara and this fucking garbage field. You think about the careers of young players lost because of this field, to let it go so long is beyond a disgrace.
RE: Pretty sure he got  
ajr2456 : 11/20/2022 7:00 pm : link
In comment 15915690 ajr2456 said:
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Suspended for his posts in the Hutchinson and “will we win another game thread”, but sure blame it on me.


And for the record I didn’t run to the hall monitor, but just like your plagiarism feel free to make shit up.
RE: We've been riding Barkley super hard  
Red Right Hand : 11/20/2022 7:06 pm : link
In comment 15915180 Jerry in_DC said:
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He might be feeling it physically.
of course. Guy pushed himself coming back, and maybe felt he wasn't in as position to push it today without more serious consequences was the vibe i was catching. Not ideal, but, if you had to pick between dogging it and tearing an AL, what do you do? Is every business decision that leads to a loss a bad one, is the real question. What if it leaves you alive to fight another day?
RE: You don’t spend time on this site  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/20/2022 7:06 pm : link
In comment 15915684 ajr2456 said:
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For your incident last year.

And not sure how Gnew got banned because of me.


My "incident"?? Why would that stop me from posting? I [post on game days maybe a half dozen times and that's it. I decided that spending hours a day arguing with people who weren't interested in anything other than pushing forward their agendas was not productive and tiresome, and it continues now, even though the team is doing well.

You don't see it because you think posting hours a week about Jones has merit - which is less indicative of your knowledge as it is about your lack of self awareness. At some point you'll realize you're just wasting time that could be used to actually be more productive, or at least anything substative.

You are happy being a one trick pony. Wallow in it - but don't confuse yourself as being some deep thinker on the game of football because you have the energy to posts hundreds of times each week on Jones.

RE: DJ has shown he can deliver the ball  
Red Right Hand : 11/20/2022 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15915217 fkap said:
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There are very limited options for him to deliver it to, though.

Whether he's good enough to run a high powered offense is unknown. We simply don't have a high powered offense for him to run.
Thats the reality of it. It's clear he's been making chicken salad 'out of dog shit.
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BrettNYG10 : 11/20/2022 7:10 pm : link
Barkley looked worn out today. The running game was terrible, the pass blocking worse than it has been in recent weeks.

Jones wasn't going to never throw another INT again. I'm not that upset over the picks. But my thinking on Jones hasn't really changed this year: I don't think he's capable of producing at a high level in the passing game, which I think is the most important ingredient for long-term team success. He can limit turnovers (which he has done very well this season) or he can produce yardage and passing touchdowns with a bunch of INTs. We passed the ball down the field a little more today and Jones turned the ball over twice. I don't think he can ever be a 30 TD-10 INT guy. That's why I don't think he will be back next year.

Last thing on the offense: they have called so few bootlegs and runs for Jones the past few games - I was disappointed it didn't happen more often today once Barkley was getting bottled up. I get the desire to preserve the QB but we just don't have it in the passing game.

I think the defense has shown a lot of worrying signs in recent weeks. The Texans were moving the ball well against us in the second half last week and we were sort of saved by timely turnovers. Jackson being out is a disaster.

Giants and Lions are roughly average football teams - Lions probably a little more below average but I don't think they're that bad. Giants have won due to good coaching, discipline (which was awful today), and winning the turnover battle. None of that happened today. I've enjoyed this season - games like this are going to happen when you're starved for talent like the Giants are. I will be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs, though - the NFC sucks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: How many QBs in football could  
ColHowPepper : 11/20/2022 7:10 pm : link
In comment 15915259 riceneggs said:
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...You think the int to Hutchinson was an amazing play??

I mean. Dj threw it right to him. Hutchinson dropped in coverage and DJ threw it to him. Nothing amazing about that.

You have no clue what you are watching, none, you're pulling your inner detest DJ rolodex and oblivious to fact. Hutchinson is 6' 7", 6 feet 7 inches, try to process that. He leapt and fully extended his arms to haul that pass in, finger tips, secured it. Yes, it was a pic, it was important in the flow of the game, and DJ probably didn't see his drop, but it was a stellar defensive play any way somebody who knows something about football cuts it.
Ouch  
Spider43 : 11/20/2022 7:11 pm : link
I didn't expect that. Completely pushed around. Plus the short week... Daquiri looks like he's back in rhythm... with the meat of our sched. coming up. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
RE: RE: You don’t spend time on this site  
ajr2456 : 11/20/2022 7:11 pm : link
In comment 15915705 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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For your incident last year.

And not sure how Gnew got banned because of me.



My "incident"?? Why would that stop me from posting? I [post on game days maybe a half dozen times and that's it. I decided that spending hours a day arguing with people who weren't interested in anything other than pushing forward their agendas was not productive and tiresome, and it continues now, even though the team is doing well.

You don't see it because you think posting hours a week about Jones has merit - which is less indicative of your knowledge as it is about your lack of self awareness. At some point you'll realize you're just wasting time that could be used to actually be more productive, or at least anything substative.

You are happy being a one trick pony. Wallow in it - but don't confuse yourself as being some deep thinker on the game of football because you have the energy to posts hundreds of times each week on Jones.


Just like the hall monitor stuff you’re just making stuff up. You can look at the football topics I post on, far from a one trick pony. You can ask the people on the Knicks and Yankees threads.

You just make shit up.
On Thursday  
noro9 : 11/20/2022 7:12 pm : link
The Giants are going to get slaughtered like the turkey on your Thanksgiving table
I am also  
PaulN : 11/20/2022 7:12 pm : link
Perplexed as to why Gary Brightwell is not the punt returner, you can't convince me no way that it's that different, there was a day that a returner did both, all of them. To chance your top cornerback when you are already down 1 starting cornerback and you just lost your starting free safety. It's an unforgivable mistake. A mistake that puts this entire season in jeopardy. I love Daboll, but this was done thing I was screaming about from the get go. I even told ny daughter the Jason Seahorn story, before it happened, then it happened. To measure how pissed I am over that decision and John Mara's stubbirness that is confirmed by his decision to finally get rid of this shit turf. That is all I am pissed about. The other shut people here complain about, the only thing they are interested in us being right. That's it. I didn't think Jones was a good QB, I was wrong, a new coach came in and proved he is good when used correctly. The rest of the shot is about injuries, what tge fuck do you expect out of a best down roster that came into the season off a 4 win season. This offensive line has been beat up from the word go and Jones has more then hung in there. Jones resigning is tge biggest no Brainer there is to the off season. Not Barkley, but Jones being resigned. I also want Varkley, but Jones is far more important a signing.
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joeinpa : 11/20/2022 7:13 pm : link
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit



No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.


Lol - “ they know it. “.

DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.
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Red Right Hand : 11/20/2022 7:15 pm : link
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Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.



You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
Thus breaking the longest streak in the NFL of a qb with no picks. He has what, 4 on the year, maybe?
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bw in dc : 11/20/2022 7:18 pm : link
In comment 15915711 ColHowPepper said:
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You have no clue what you are watching, none, you're pulling your inner detest DJ rolodex and oblivious to fact. Hutchinson is 6' 7", 6 feet 7 inches, try to process that. He leapt and fully extended his arms to haul that pass in, finger tips, secured it. Yes, it was a pic, it was important in the flow of the game, and DJ probably didn't see his drop, but it was a stellar defensive play any way somebody who knows something about football cuts it.


I don't think Jones is the long-term solution, but this is exactly what happened.

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Sammo85 : 11/20/2022 7:19 pm : link
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit



No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.



Lol - “ they know it. “.

DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.


Joe - The problem is who is out there to be the No. 1 receiver? Sans a Justin Jefferson like miracle in draft I struggle to see where an elite option is coming from immediately to help Jones. Even more Giants may have to spread the assets in cap and draft picks to take multiple receivers, including possibly adding a depth RB and a TE still too.

We are probably staring at a multi year draft and develop retool of the playmakers on offense. Giants also can’t ignore playmaking CB/LB needs on defense.
The free agent market is bare at WR  
ajr2456 : 11/20/2022 7:22 pm : link
It’ll be relying on a rookie and cheap options.
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Matt M. : 11/20/2022 7:23 pm : link
In comment 15915583 Eric from BBI said:
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When they cut it to 24-12, I still thought they had a chance. The third turnover sealed it for good.

I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
They did have a shot. That was a backbreaking fumble.
RE: The free agent market is bare at WR  
bw in dc : 11/20/2022 7:27 pm : link
In comment 15915746 ajr2456 said:
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It’ll be relying on a rookie and cheap options.


Shaping up to be a good year - again - to have need for WRs because it's another bumper crop, IMV, in the 2023 draft.
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Red Right Hand : 11/20/2022 7:31 pm : link
In comment 15915286 sb from NYT Forum said:
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You think the int to Hutchinson was an amazing play??

I mean. Dj threw it right to him. Hutchinson dropped in coverage and DJ threw it to him. Nothing amazing about that.



Total BS. That was an amazing play for a DE to make. Saying it wasn't is just disingenuous.
I couldn't believe the guy reached that high in the air. Athletic Pick
killer Bs  
ColHowPepper : 11/20/2022 7:33 pm : link
bw, I can't believe I'm saying this to you, but you say the nicest things, sometimes. (:

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On balance, it might, but that Wash-Philly game opened my eyes. The NFC East may have a bunch of the best of the NFC.

As to DJ in the passing game, you both hold similar opinions that he is not the answer. This may well be the case. He's in his 4th year and if the jury is still very much out, he may be demonstrating that he's not. But--and you will both roll your eyes--over this long and far from distinguished tenure, way more often than not he has had very little to work with, OL and pass catchers. Those are the main factors imo why there remains uncertainty. Maybe Daboll and Schoen see it differently, i.e., no uncertainty.
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Red Right Hand : 11/20/2022 7:39 pm : link
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Bad??? No, he wasn't bad. Barkley was fucking bad. His production was bad and his running effort was very bad.. Come on, be objective.



Someone needs to be objective but it’s not who you think. You think he was good today?
He was good today.
RE: killer Bs  
BrettNYG10 : 11/20/2022 7:49 pm : link
In comment 15915763 ColHowPepper said:
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bw, I can't believe I'm saying this to you, but you say the nicest things, sometimes. (:

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I will be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs, though - the NFC sucks.

On balance, it might, but that Wash-Philly game opened my eyes. The NFC East may have a bunch of the best of the NFC.

As to DJ in the passing game, you both hold similar opinions that he is not the answer. This may well be the case. He's in his 4th year and if the jury is still very much out, he may be demonstrating that he's not. But--and you will both roll your eyes--over this long and far from distinguished tenure, way more often than not he has had very little to work with, OL and pass catchers. Those are the main factors imo why there remains uncertainty. Maybe Daboll and Schoen see it differently, i.e., no uncertainty.


I don't roll my eyes at it at all, I agree with it. The receivers are terrible. I think the line after the Cowboys game up until today has actually been pretty good but it's been bad most of the four years.

The passing game's mediocrity is certainly not all on Jones.
RE: RE: The free agent market is bare at WR  
BigBlue565358 : 11/20/2022 7:56 pm : link
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It’ll be relying on a rookie and cheap options.



Shaping up to be a good year - again - to have need for WRs because it's another bumper crop, IMV, in the 2023 draft.

Actually the top group isn't as good as the last few years of wide receivers in the draft
RE: I am also  
outeiroj : 11/20/2022 7:58 pm : link
In comment 15915721 PaulN said:
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Perplexed as to why Gary Brightwell is not the punt returner, you can't convince me no way that it's that different, there was a day that a returner did both, all of them. To chance your top cornerback when you are already down 1 starting cornerback and you just lost your starting free safety. It's an unforgivable mistake. A mistake that puts this entire season in jeopardy. I love Daboll, but this was done thing I was screaming about from the get go. I even told ny daughter the Jason Seahorn story, before it happened, then it happened. To measure how pissed I am over that decision and John Mara's stubbirness that is confirmed by his decision to finally get rid of this shit turf. That is all I am pissed about. The other shut people here complain about, the only thing they are interested in us being right. That's it. I didn't think Jones was a good QB, I was wrong, a new coach came in and proved he is good when used correctly. The rest of the shot is about injuries, what tge fuck do you expect out of a best down roster that came into the season off a 4 win season. This offensive line has been beat up from the word go and Jones has more then hung in there. Jones resigning is tge biggest no Brainer there is to the off season. Not Barkley, but Jones being resigned. I also want Varkley, but Jones is far more important a signing.


If you dont think its that different. Its probably because you never played competitive football. Its similar to why catchers in baseball use a 1st baseman style glove for knuckleball pitchers. Good punters have the ability to generate all kinds of spin on a ball and as a PR you have to make sure you know what kind of spin is on the ball while gunners are ready to take your head off (no pressure).

On a kickoff the ball is rotating in one direction and you have at least 25-30 yards between where you catch the ball and the closest defender is

Brightwell muffed a kickoff today and you want him fielding punts?
RE: RE: The free agent market is bare at WR  
ajr2456 : 11/20/2022 8:01 pm : link
In comment 15915755 bw in dc said:
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It’ll be relying on a rookie and cheap options.



Shaping up to be a good year - again - to have need for WRs because it's another bumper crop, IMV, in the 2023 draft.


Yup this draft crop is very good. We can probably land two
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thefan : 11/20/2022 8:13 pm : link
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit



No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.



Lol - “ they know it. “.

DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.


Throw multiple picks?
Had a family event and missed the game.  
section125 : 11/20/2022 8:31 pm : link
Ugh, with the injuries. The injury bug finally caught up on the field, it seems, and now more...

They may have ground Barkley into the ground with over use.

As to the Oline - Lemieux is the 3rd LG this year and his 1st game this year. Seems like he would be rusty as hell. Same with Peart as the 3rd RT this year. 3 injuries on the oline(including Ezeudu being out) in one game is pretty hard to overcome.

More importantly, the defense appears to have finally crapped the bed. The Lions have been playing well the past month. I am actually not surprised they lost.

I have been a bit down on Kafka's 1st half play calling and have brought it up several times. It has been weak all year. He has to throw more, early. It has to be done or they will not win again this year. He has to create plays that work with what he has.

RE: John Mara and this … garbage field.  
Trainmaster : 11/20/2022 8:34 pm : link
There seemingly has to be some issue with the field surface at MetLife. It’s not the cause of all the injuries. It might not be the cause of most of the injuries. But it seems like the field is a non trivial factor in the number and severity of leg injuries incurred by players (home and visitor) on this surface.

Grass isn’t perfect, but it has to be better on the players.



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joeinpa : 11/20/2022 8:52 pm : link
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit



No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.



Lol - “ they know it. “.

DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.



Throw multiple picks?


Nah. 400 yards of offense.
RE: killer Bs  
DefenseWins : 11/20/2022 9:00 pm : link
In comment 15915763 ColHowPepper said:
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As to DJ in the passing game, you both hold similar opinions that he is not the answer. This may well be the case. He's in his 4th year and if the jury is still very much out, he may be demonstrating that he's not.


You will find that going into next season, Jones is the best available for us.

When you combine that with our likely inability to "stack" the team with viable WRs... we have to make sure our OL and DL are absolutely solid. Otherwise, this team will look the same next year.
RE: Some  
Payasdaddy : 11/20/2022 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15915053 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants fans need to get a grip.

I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.


Everything is an overreaction here
Team played a bit over its head, now injuries really taking there toll
Every game is different. Just cause we looked horrible today doesn’t mean we can’t beat Washington or Philly once
Colts and or Vikings too
Vikes looked horrid today

Last few games we should have back Neal, Bellinger, ojulari, BB, Adoree and X
You roll with that, try to sneak into 0layoffs and see what happens
I doubt Odell would come here if we lost two in a row and were floundering but if so , that would really help.
We all have to remember, we are playing with house money this yr
Team needs one more real good draft and a few solid FA signings for LT contention
RE: I dont actually care about the picks  
Payasdaddy : 11/20/2022 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15915274 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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They had to throw to have any chance.

What I care about is that they could not rely on the passing offense.


DJ playing his ass off with nothing around him
I will go to war with him
He may not be top 10 but he balls out and seems to be a real,leader at this point
Duggan - Anatomy of a Giants collapse  
US1 Giants : 11/20/2022 9:34 pm : link
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Jackson’s injury while returning a punt early in the second quarter will leave Daboll open to second-guessing. But it’s not a hindsight situation, because there was plenty of first-guessing about the decision to use one of the team’s most important defensive players as the punt returner.

Daboll said he had no regrets about using Jackson in that role.


https://theathletic.com/3916584/2022/11/20/giants-lions-takeaways-daniel-jones/ - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: The free agent market is bare at WR  
Payasdaddy : 11/20/2022 9:35 pm : link
In comment 15915790 BigBlue565358 said:
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In comment 15915746 ajr2456 said:


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It’ll be relying on a rookie and cheap options.



Shaping up to be a good year - again - to have need for WRs because it's another bumper crop, IMV, in the 2023 draft.


Actually the top group isn't as good as the last few years of wide receivers in the draft


We don’t need a number 1. What we need is 2-3 #2s wr. And alpha would be great but u have to get lucky with that. A few good prospects and a solid healthy vet would go a long way
And yes, it think 80% of Odell would help this yr and next
This site really is better when certain posters stay dormant.  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/20/2022 9:42 pm : link
Jones for the most part has been one of our better peroformers on offense this year. Thomas and Barkely have been better but the rest of the roster on that side isn't very good, let's be honest.

The dilemma is, do you throw 30M+ at him or not?

I don't think anybody is going to convert someone on the other camp to change his mind on Jones. They see what that want to see. Ummm, just like how they felt about Gettleman, Eli, and who else....

I mean, for god's sake there were posters asking if anybody would trade Jones for Herbert or Allen? Seriously?

We've been pulling wins out of our asses this year, if you think we are as good as our record then you are probably not paying attention. Against better teams down the stretch who can stop the run game, let's see how Jones performs and let that determines if he'll be worth that contract.
We lost this game in the trenches simple as that  
kelly : 11/20/2022 9:49 pm : link
Losing in the trenches has been our main problem for years. Yes, our receivers stink, but the biggest problem is our o line. when the o line cannot run block or pass block you are not going to win, simple as that.

We have four picks in the first three rounds, I would use two on interior o line and two on receivers.
RE: We lost this game in the trenches simple as that  
Payasdaddy : 11/20/2022 10:13 pm : link
In comment 15915911 kelly said:
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Losing in the trenches has been our main problem for years. Yes, our receivers stink, but the biggest problem is our o line. when the o line cannot run block or pass block you are not going to win, simple as that.

We have four picks in the first three rounds, I would use two on interior o line and two on receivers.

Thinking gates and ezudu could be solid in 23
We need a young DT, aling with ilb and cb
Hopefully beavers good to go too
I think it may be more cost effective to shore up front 7 with mid tier FA Draft bpa But yes over first 3 rds, 2 should be receivers Maybe 3 if u throw in 2nd TE If mayer is bpa , have to consider him 2 TE set with bellinger could be sweet
I had no issue with deciding to use Jackson to field punts  
GeofromNJ : 11/20/2022 10:59 pm : link
given that Jackson is more surehanded than Richie James, but I didn't think Daboll was foolish enough not to advise Jackson to always fair catch and forget about returning them.
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