Regardless of how the O struggled, the D shitting the bed was a bigger disappointment for me. They really never stepped up once. They could’ve answered but didn’t.
If they win in Dallas on Thursday, Daboll will definitely be Coach of the year. There’s absolutely no way we win in Dallas with the amount of injuries we have. There just comes a point where you can’t overcome all this issues.
Kafka is a baby OC. Think he got schooled a bit today. When they took Barkley away, didn't adjust well. but even then, the middle of the Oline was just a mess today.
This team, coming into today, had no margin for error. Major injuries to Jackson and Robinson (plus McKinney) put this roster back into the dark days of the past decade. It’s absolutely not an overreaction to question if this team can win 2 more games to finish above .500, let alone make the playoffs.
I'm glad they got their asses kicked.
There's not covering up this loss. The whole team sucked.
Now let's see what this team is made of on Thurs.
Do they bounce back and show some fight or turnover like the team of the last few years.
Kafka is a baby OC. Think he got schooled a bit today. When they took Barkley away, didn't adjust well. but even then, the middle of the Oline was just a mess today.
I just don't think there is a good plan B for when the run game doesn't work. Now with Wandale out...woof.
goes 9 for 100 and a torn ACL. Brutal. We lose our best CB. Man what a kick in the dick today was. These player losses are worse than the actual loss.
Yup. The injuries are much worse than the loss. How many ACL injuries have we had this year? Beavers, McKeathen, Davidson, and now Robinson are the ones that I can think of. I think they were all at home as well.
Believe Eric pointed out anyone specifically but hey if the shoe fits.. he’s right, the things being posted are insane. It was an awful game, plenty to grip about but it happens to the best of them. People come across mentally unstable on some of these posts
penalties, turnovers, and special teams. The margin of error is so small with this team that they can’t blow games in those areas and they mostly haven’t all season until today.
But the injuries are the real bad outcome from today. They had one NFL caliber corner and he’s hurt (entirely as a result of coaching stupidity).They had two NFL caliber wide receivers and now one of them is hurt.
Barkley was lifeless. The defense looked beyond slow in the middle of the field.
We're not that good of a team. We've done amazingly well to win 7 games so far. This team should have zero expectations. We were never going to win every game against all our bad/mediocre opponents.
The injuries are killer though- Wandale is devastating if it's ACL
penalties, turnovers, and special teams. The margin of error is so small with this team that they can’t blow games in those areas and they mostly haven’t all season until today.
But the injuries are the real bad outcome from today. They had one NFL caliber corner and he’s hurt (entirely as a result of coaching stupidity).They had two NFL caliber wide receivers and now one of them is hurt.
Barkley was lifeless. The defense looked beyond slow in the middle of the field.
waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
The game turned on his INT. I mean the giants suck in all areas so any mistake by DJ is going to cost us the game. He has to play perfect for us to even have a chance at winning.
Feel sorry for the rookie getting drafted into this mess.
6-1 flattered us and I'm sure Daboll and Schoen knew that.
I would agree if jones was throwing balls into danger this season and somehow they weren’t getting picked off. He just flat out made 2 bad plays that he’d avoided nearly all season. Gano didn’t regress. He was just awful.
The defense, OTOH, the red zone and third down defense TOTALLY regressed.
waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
We are too thin talent wise and now injury wise. This has been a great season considering expectations and what we have. But dreams of playoffs (still possible) and championships are kind of out of bounds this year.
They stuck with Barkley so long. Not sure why but he was definitely running tentatively today. Did not look like the fired up Saquan we have seen the first part of the season. Gates should keep the center spot for the rest of the season. DJ is absolutely a keeper and a player I would build this offense around.
Gates back at Center makes me feel better. Ojulari should be back right after Thanksgiving and should be able to help Thibs.
Think if Ojulari can stay healthy the rest of the season - might really turn pass rush around. Thibs is good and growing. And, they are getting good interior pressure.
Injuries have completely debilitated this roster
Lemieux is not a starting OG just awful in pass protection
Saquon May have been feeling the after effects from last week. He did not run hard at all.
Teams will take away our running attack forcing the Giants to pass the ball in future games by playing 7 or 8 in the box.
Their is absolutely no pass rush on defense without Wink blitzing.
Where was Thibs today?
We have the worst ILB group in the NFL. Opposing OC can pass on our ILB all day if they wanted too
Jones has 8 games left to prove whether he gets another contract with a depleted WR group going forward
We're not that good of a team. We've done amazingly well to win 7 games so far. This team should have zero expectations. We were never going to win every game against all our bad/mediocre opponents.
The injuries are killer though- Wandale is devastating if it's ACL
The WDR is a killer because he may have been organically solving out WR issue.
Major setback considering we couldn't execute a deal for a WR by the trade deadline.
We all knew this conservative offensive gameplan wasn't sustainable.
The blueprint has always been to stop Barkley and make DJ beat you. But Saquons greatness was overshadowing our deficiencies.
Saquon looks to be wearing down (plus that shoulder is messed up) so here we are
Back to the Week 1 question. Can Daniel Jones lead this team with his arm?
This game did nothing to change my opinion on Daniel Jones. I am incredibly neutral on him. It will be very interesting to see what Shoen and Daboll do with him at the end of the season.
Injuries have completely debilitated this roster
Lemieux is not a starting OG just awful in pass protection
Saquon May have been feeling the after effects from last week. He did not run hard at all.
Teams will take away our running attack forcing the Giants to pass the ball in future games by playing 7 or 8 in the box.
Their is absolutely no pass rush on defense without Wink blitzing.
Where was Thibs today?
We have the worst ILB group in the NFL. Opposing OC can pass on our ILB all day if they wanted too
Jones has 8 games left to prove whether he gets another contract with a depleted WR group going forward
Pretty much my thoughts. I hope I don't tar you by association :) I asked on another thread if Thibs was hurt, cause Fox was playing down the stretch. I thought Jones did a good job passing, but those 2 INTs hurt. But he completed a lot of good passes to a mediocre receiving group, even with the wind, from both the pocket and when he was chased from the pocket.
The injuries are a killer; have never seen a team with so many knee injuries. For the amount they invest in these players they have to find a surface better than what they have.
This was the type of game where the margin for error is so small. The refs were shit, but had some mistakes (fumble, pick) that were bad and then the defense missed some key tackles on 3rd down. It wasn’t as bad a game as people are making it out to be (other than the injuries), we’ve just becomes accustomed to mistake free football. It happens, but the Lions are definitely better than people think; explosive offensively and a defense that is starting to play better.
Only bright side today is that we saw Peart and Gates perform admirably given their time off; Lemieux got owned all first half though.
and make the rest of the offense beat you. Pretty simple formula really. Amazing more of our opponents haven't been able to pull it off.
This is where they need to run DJ more. D’s are going all out to stop Saquon and every time DJ kept it, he was successful. Keep doing it and eventually they’ll shift to stopping SJ and then Saquon makes them pay
Lions executed the formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. Expect Dallas to do the same.
Giants now need to adjust.
This is basically how Dallas beat us last time. They laid out the blueprint pretty early.
Disagree completely on both points.
Giants ran for 167 yards against Dallas, the most the Cowpokes allowed the first 7 weeks of the season. They lost that game because they couldn’t pass protect AT ALL and didn’t use Barkley more.
Today, the Giants run blocking was atrocious. The Lions weren’t even loading up. The Giants just couldn’t make one on one blocks. Jones was actually pretty good outside of the picks… I know, I know. A real “Aside from that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln” situation.
waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Your take never changes but, by your own words, Barkley isn't worth it either. In today's NFL backs can be had anywhere and we need to use all available $'s upgrading full roster. Barkley played like dogshit today .
But, I am not writing off this season yet. Neal should be back. Bellinger may be back. Gates may now be back at OC, so the OL and blocking should improve beginning Thursday. Today aside, we still have one of the top 5 RB in the league. We've had no WRs all year, so at least this week is no different.
The schedule is tough, but not impossible to pick up 2-3 wins, which should mean playoffs.
was absolutely destroying Lemieux, and to some extent Feliciano. Aside from Thomas, the OL is journeymen and an unproven rookie. Jones was running for his life most of the time.
Teams know that the way to beat the Giants is to simply stack the LOS to stop Barkley. They know we basically have next to nothing in the passing game, and now don't even have that given Robinson's injury.
On defense, McFadden was poor IMO, and our LBs can't cover anyone. We were consistently burned on underneath passes, especially on third and long. Even though the Lions have a good OL, Goff had way too much time to throw.
Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
He threw 2 picks...one on an amazing play by a stud defender and the other was air mailed on 4th down.
He was the only guy that showed up on offense. I'll give Breida honorable mention
"except for the picks"? The first, in my opinion, was the turning point in the game. To that point, we were controlling the time of possession and outgaining the Lions. That pick set the Lions up with a short field and allowed them to take the lead.
I don't view the 2nd pick as a throw away, as many did. I don't want to hear it was 4th, it's as good as a pick. They were looking to score there. He had a receiver and completely missed him.
He hit a ton of his third down conversions and also had short fields after the turn overs. Lastly, they ran the ball fairly effectively today with over 150 yards.
was absolutely destroying Lemieux, and to some extent Feliciano. Aside from Thomas, the OL is journeymen and an unproven rookie. Jones was running for his life most of the time.
Teams know that the way to beat the Giants is to simply stack the LOS to stop Barkley. They know we basically have next to nothing in the passing game, and now don't even have that given Robinson's injury.
On defense, McFadden was poor IMO, and our LBs can't cover anyone. We were consistently burned on underneath passes, especially on third and long. Even though the Lions have a good OL, Goff had way too much time to throw.
This was obvious before the season even started and yet the Giants have still won 7 games while only losing 3. I honestly don't get it.
Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
He threw 2 picks...one on an amazing play by a stud defender and the other was air mailed on 4th down.
He was the only guy that showed up on offense. I'll give Breida honorable mention
You think the int to Hutchinson was an amazing play??
I mean. Dj threw it right to him. Hutchinson dropped in coverage and DJ threw it to him. Nothing amazing about that.
Lions executed the formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. Expect Dallas to do the same.
Giants now need to adjust.
This is basically how Dallas beat us last time. They laid out the blueprint pretty early.
Disagree completely on both points.
Giants ran for 167 yards against Dallas, the most the Cowpokes allowed the first 7 weeks of the season. They lost that game because they couldn’t pass protect AT ALL and didn’t use Barkley more.
Today, the Giants run blocking was atrocious. The Lions weren’t even loading up. The Giants just couldn’t make one on one blocks. Jones was actually pretty good outside of the picks… I know, I know. A real “Aside from that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln” situation.
Yeah and Dallas ran for nearly 200 on us and didn't turn the ball over. I think they laid it out pretty clear in that game.
From out here in the bleachers (Hawaii),
I had 6 wins as my pick at the beginning of the season.
So they are playing with house money.
I've been a Jones doubter, but he does have talent.
Just not much around him, and the D that looked good this point really looked bad today against a bottom dweller team.
Injuries: that's the nature of the sport. What team doesn't have a revolving door of short term and long term injuries?
Some talent and good coaching builds depth. It is what made NE teams so good for so long.
Keep Jones, let Dabol coach,
and wait until 2024.
He hit a ton of his third down conversions and also had short fields after the turn overs. Lastly, they ran the ball fairly effectively today with over 150 yards.
Speaking of 3rd down....
Do we HAVE to blitz on seemingly every third down? Seems to be hurting us more than helping
Feliciano, Glowinski are backups. Guys you don't want to start but expect them to be able to come in and replace starters for a few games w/o being a serious downgrade.
Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
He threw 2 picks...one on an amazing play by a stud defender and the other was air mailed on 4th down.
He was the only guy that showed up on offense. I'll give Breida honorable mention
Did he show up though? 145 of those passing yards came after the second pick when the game was out of reach and the Lions were in a shell. He was just as bad as the line, Barkley and defense
because the Lions have the worst run defense in the league. Barkley didn't even show. From the first snap of the game, he was checked out. You have to do better against the worst run defense in the league. Run offense was the main culprit today. At least Jones and the passing game showed signs of life. Barkley and the run offense were dead from Snap 1.
Less than 30 for less than 4ypc. Lost the turnover battle.
All three loses have the same blueprint.
They had a chance to overcome the offensive issues but this was the worst D effort of the year.
Regroup. Hopefully Neal makes it back.
The amount Williams and Lawrence have been playing maybe caught up today a bit. Detroit has a good OL and have been investing in it. They are a pretty good team imv.
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Giants WR Wan’Dale Robinson (knee) was on crutches postgame.
Daboll won’t provide updates on any of his players’ injuries, but the rookie is banged up.
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Adoree’ Jackson says everything came back clear on X-ray. Says he was thankful he was able to walk off and thinks it’s not too serious because of that
One more observation I forgot to list: our rush defense is awful
Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
He threw 2 picks...one on an amazing play by a stud defender and the other was air mailed on 4th down.
He was the only guy that showed up on offense. I'll give Breida honorable mention
Did he show up though? 145 of those passing yards came after the second pick when the game was out of reach and the Lions were in a shell. He was just as bad as the line, Barkley and defense
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
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Giants center Jon Feliciano says “I’m gonna do everything I can to be ready for Thursday” in a hopeful way. Battled through the neck injury that occurred in the 2nd quarter until he couldn’t any more
RE: Fox showed a stat early, that the red zone defense was 2nd in the NFL
Has been really good at protecting the ball this year. But eventually he's going to turn it over. Everyone does. It's impossible not to. Plus the one on 4th down doesn't matter.
The problem is that we have to run a hyper conservative offense because of him. You can win some games that way as we've seen, but its very difficult to sustain and severely caps our upside.
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Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
He threw 2 picks...one on an amazing play by a stud defender and the other was air mailed on 4th down.
He was the only guy that showed up on offense. I'll give Breida honorable mention
Did he show up though? 145 of those passing yards came after the second pick when the game was out of reach and the Lions were in a shell. He was just as bad as the line, Barkley and defense
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
That is no where near as annoying as your jones love affair along with many on this site who can find no fault with him.
This is not a franch QB or even a good QB. He picked up some first downs and he ran a bit today. He gives 110% . But that is where it ends. He cannot keep up in a shootout or come back or even earn the trust of his coach to take a game over and pass . when was the last time we had a game where he threw for like 300 yards, won , and had like 2-3 TDs? QBs do that . Even ones like Mat Ryan who get benched.
Embarrassed at home by shit Detroit and now to add to the shortest major injuries to key guys
Robinson man second rounder is looking like a huge wasted second rounder dudes been hurt more than healthy and now his season over….
Hmmm.....shit Detroit just won four games in a row and they are playing just as good as Washington. We have have won many close games with sound football. Today was bad but let's give Detroit some credit. They are a young team with a lot of playmakers. They beat us us fair and square just like Seattle did. We all know we are not a very talented team and now it has caught up to us. Rest of the season will be hard to watch with all our injuries. Seattle and Detroit took Barkley away and that's the blueprint. Expect the worst and hope for the best on Thursday
RE: One more observation I forgot to list: our rush defense is awful
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
with his bum shoulder. Very often, RBs can't repeat that effort the next week. Breida was more effective. When he got more time later in the game, the offense was more effective.
We open it up in the passing game, Jones throws 2 picks
with his bum shoulder. Very often, RBs can't repeat that effort the next week. Breida was more effective. When he got more time later in the game, the offense was more effective.
It makes you wonder what Breida is doing here if the coaching staff isn't going to spell Barkley with him. I think thats a legit criticism of kafka and dabbs.
RE: We open it up in the passing game, Jones throws 2 picks
I don't think that's a coincidence and that's why the passing game has been conservative to date.
Oh for fucks sake. He didn't see the dropping DE on the first one and was his first pick in forever. His 2nd one was on a 4th down prayer trying to make something happen. You guys need your eyes checked if you think he's some bum.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
I don’t hate Jones. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB of the future. He was also bad today. Just facts
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
I don’t hate Jones. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB of the future. He was also bad today. Just facts
Bad??? No, he wasn't bad. Barkley was fucking bad. His production was bad and his running effort was very bad.. Come on, be objective.
The staff has done a very good job of getting back ups ready to play, however You can only go so far with back up talent starting all of your games. The short week is going to be interesting. I have a hard time believing we’re going to go to Dallas on a short week, play on Thanksgiving in their house on a Nationally televised game with back ups at many starting positions. The secondary is also now more of a mess then it’s been.
Lastly, we now have 4 Division games in a row now. These next four games will most likely give us an idea of whether we get into the playoffs or not, even at 7-3.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
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One of them happened when the Giants were up 6-3 and handed Detroit a touchdown.
Yeah that first quarter was shit. X-Man penalty let them off the hook on punting that ball and basically gave them 3 points. Then the DJ picks. 10 points right there. Throw in the Gano misses and thats a lot of points.
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
It’s pretty simple. The turnovers and scoring 12 points before garbage time against one of the worst defenses in the league. 145 of those 330 yards came in garbage time.
Assuming everyone is healthy. Where do you think our biggest weakness is? It’s pretty easy…. We have no linebackers who can fill or drop in coverage. That’s a huge problem and is catching up to us since our corners are hurt. All you Jones haters wanted him to throw and throw he did. He wasn’t bad. 344 yards with those Wr and OL supported by no running game (other than him). If we don’t sign this kid We will regret that day for next 15 years.
Assuming everyone is healthy. Where do you think our biggest weakness is? It’s pretty easy…. We have no linebackers who can fill or drop in coverage. That’s a huge problem and is catching up to us since our corners are hurt. All you Jones haters wanted him to throw and throw he did. He wasn’t bad. 344 yards with those Wr and OL supported by no running game (other than him). If we don’t sign this kid We will regret that day for next 15 years.
And two interceptions, not blaming him for the loss, but can we agree he threw two picks, one of them setting up Detroit in field goal range which they turned into a TD.
Assuming everyone is healthy. Where do you think our biggest weakness is? It’s pretty easy…. We have no linebackers who can fill or drop in coverage. That’s a huge problem and is catching up to us since our corners are hurt. All you Jones haters wanted him to throw and throw he did. He wasn’t bad. 344 yards with those Wr and OL supported by no running game (other than him). If we don’t sign this kid We will regret that day for next 15 years.
Maybe. But how many QBs with DJs success to date went on to have great careers in the NFL? I'm neutral on him, but "we will regret it for 15 years" is a pretty bold statement.
I've lost count on the ACL tears for the Rookie class...
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
The booth to the 4th string corners. It’s ok to say it, it happens. Move on to Dallas. Sweep Washington and you’ll be looking at a chance for a 10 win season heading into Indy and Philly, both who should have nothing to play for.
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Wow, you are so wrong on most of what you say that I have to assume you just do it on purpose.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Kind of a stupid comment, since the guy has had 5 come from behind game winning drives in the fourth quarter and another that started when they were tied. All with pedestrian at best receivers. The reason they aren't built to come back is a lack of explosive receivers.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Same here. DJ was the last guy I was worried about today. I was way more worried about our D not stepping up.
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[quote] In comment 15915460 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the rules with Jones.
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
It’s pretty simple. The turnovers and scoring 12 points before garbage time against one of the worst defenses in the league. 145 of those 330 yards came in garbage time. [/quote
It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Kind of a stupid comment, since the guy has had 5 come from behind game winning drives in the fourth quarter and another that started when they were tied. All with pedestrian at best receivers. The reason they aren't built to come back is a lack of explosive receivers.
It's been stated over and over how little he had to do with those, using his arm. Against the Ravens, Lamar turned the ball over in the redzone twice...against Jacksonville, he didn't complete a pass in the 4th quarter. He played well against Green Bay...but stop trying to make DJ something he's not. He's a good QB..he's mot a franchise QB that can put a team on his shoulders and throw, in crunch time, to win games. He needs A LOT of help.
the loss of Mckinney plus the in game injuries took a big toll on our secondary and we are not flush with top level wideouts or linebackers. Our best TE is out. Our O-line was makeshift and doing their best but it was not enough. Play better or get destroyed on Thanksgiving.
When they cut it to 24-12, I still thought they had a chance. The third turnover sealed it for good.
I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
I agree. Jones was finding a rhythm and moving the ball. That fumble was a killer. Not positive the defense would have gotten a stop though even if they cut it to 5. The defense is just not that good. And I'm stunned more teams don't run the ball more on us. They can't stop the run consistently.
It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
Typical of you, no interest in discussing football, just personal attacks.
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
Typical of you, no interest in discussing football, just personal attacks.
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
One being a 4th down prayer down a million while being pressured. Idk why thats being held against Jones to prop up this narrative.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
I don’t hate Jones. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB of the future. He was also bad today. Just facts
Jones was bad today? Hutchinson made an unbelievable play, and Daniel missed a tough throw to Robinson
Jones was actually pretty good today. 347 and 50, hard to define that as factually bad.
I think he showed he can put up big numbers despite very limited resources.
When they cut it to 24-12, I still thought they had a chance. The third turnover sealed it for good.
I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
Today two other areas were major factors too:
1) Our tackling is not good. We allowed a few 1st half drives to continue due to bad tackling. That wears a defense down over time.2) we can't get a clean pass rush. We get pressure, usually via a blitz but we are not getting to the QB;
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
So wait - throwing for under 200 yards is unsustainable to winning and you use a game where they threw for 350 and lost??
Since you delude yourself into thinking you actually talk "football" instead of just rail against Jones in hundreds of posts each week, I wonder how much of your posting time will take Barkley and the OL to task this week? You'll still have hundreds of posts in your hours long time suck, and those other areas will be a passing mention if brought up at all by you.
Talking "football" requires more than just droning on about one thing over and over and over and fucking over - but you don't get that, Ace.
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Agree.
We can't blame him for the second pick. It was fourth down and he had nowhere else to go with the ball. He gave his wr a shot but the coverage was too good. It's not dissimilar from being picked on a Hail Mary. What's he supposed to do, throw the ball away?
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
So wait - throwing for under 200 yards is unsustainable to winning and you use a game where they threw for 350 and lost??
Since you delude yourself into thinking you actually talk "football" instead of just rail against Jones in hundreds of posts each week, I wonder how much of your posting time will take Barkley and the OL to task this week? You'll still have hundreds of posts in your hours long time suck, and those other areas will be a passing mention if brought up at all by you.
Talking "football" requires more than just droning on about one thing over and over and over and fucking over - but you don't get that, Ace.
See that’s not what happens. I’m involved in plenty of other discussions unrelated to Jones. You just take what fits your narrative. I’ve said multiple times everyone sucked today. Only one person is getting excuses though. Most of my conversations about Jones the past few weeks have been mostly about the financials. He’s been better this year, wasn’t good today. Those are fair takes, the defensive mode you guys go into is weird.
I know some people on this forum that run to the mods when their personal information is used. And since GNewgiants was somehow banned today from interactions with you - I find that ironic.
Luckily for you, I don't waste hours on this site anymore debating foolish takes of those who fancy themselves to be intelligent, so I have no inclination to run and tell the hall monitor.
Was good today. You have to be kidding. With the shit offensive line Olay and the garbage he is throwing to, how can you possibly knock him. The guy is the biggest reason the team is 7-3. Him, not Barkley, but Jones is the biggest reason the team is 7-3. But you have to expect this. I am pussed at 1 thing and 1 person, John Mara and this fucking garbage field. You think about the careers of young players lost because of this field, to let it go so long is beyond a disgrace.
of course. Guy pushed himself coming back, and maybe felt he wasn't in as position to push it today without more serious consequences was the vibe i was catching. Not ideal, but, if you had to pick between dogging it and tearing an AL, what do you do? Is every business decision that leads to a loss a bad one, is the real question. What if it leaves you alive to fight another day?
My "incident"?? Why would that stop me from posting? I [post on game days maybe a half dozen times and that's it. I decided that spending hours a day arguing with people who weren't interested in anything other than pushing forward their agendas was not productive and tiresome, and it continues now, even though the team is doing well.
You don't see it because you think posting hours a week about Jones has merit - which is less indicative of your knowledge as it is about your lack of self awareness. At some point you'll realize you're just wasting time that could be used to actually be more productive, or at least anything substative.
You are happy being a one trick pony. Wallow in it - but don't confuse yourself as being some deep thinker on the game of football because you have the energy to posts hundreds of times each week on Jones.
Barkley looked worn out today. The running game was terrible, the pass blocking worse than it has been in recent weeks.
Jones wasn't going to never throw another INT again. I'm not that upset over the picks. But my thinking on Jones hasn't really changed this year: I don't think he's capable of producing at a high level in the passing game, which I think is the most important ingredient for long-term team success. He can limit turnovers (which he has done very well this season) or he can produce yardage and passing touchdowns with a bunch of INTs. We passed the ball down the field a little more today and Jones turned the ball over twice. I don't think he can ever be a 30 TD-10 INT guy. That's why I don't think he will be back next year.
Last thing on the offense: they have called so few bootlegs and runs for Jones the past few games - I was disappointed it didn't happen more often today once Barkley was getting bottled up. I get the desire to preserve the QB but we just don't have it in the passing game.
I think the defense has shown a lot of worrying signs in recent weeks. The Texans were moving the ball well against us in the second half last week and we were sort of saved by timely turnovers. Jackson being out is a disaster.
Giants and Lions are roughly average football teams - Lions probably a little more below average but I don't think they're that bad. Giants have won due to good coaching, discipline (which was awful today), and winning the turnover battle. None of that happened today. I've enjoyed this season - games like this are going to happen when you're starved for talent like the Giants are. I will be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs, though - the NFC sucks.
...You think the int to Hutchinson was an amazing play??
I mean. Dj threw it right to him. Hutchinson dropped in coverage and DJ threw it to him. Nothing amazing about that.
You have no clue what you are watching, none, you're pulling your inner detest DJ rolodex and oblivious to fact. Hutchinson is 6' 7", 6 feet 7 inches, try to process that. He leapt and fully extended his arms to haul that pass in, finger tips, secured it. Yes, it was a pic, it was important in the flow of the game, and DJ probably didn't see his drop, but it was a stellar defensive play any way somebody who knows something about football cuts it.
I didn't expect that. Completely pushed around. Plus the short week... Daquiri looks like he's back in rhythm... with the meat of our sched. coming up. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
My "incident"?? Why would that stop me from posting? I [post on game days maybe a half dozen times and that's it. I decided that spending hours a day arguing with people who weren't interested in anything other than pushing forward their agendas was not productive and tiresome, and it continues now, even though the team is doing well.
You don't see it because you think posting hours a week about Jones has merit - which is less indicative of your knowledge as it is about your lack of self awareness. At some point you'll realize you're just wasting time that could be used to actually be more productive, or at least anything substative.
You are happy being a one trick pony. Wallow in it - but don't confuse yourself as being some deep thinker on the game of football because you have the energy to posts hundreds of times each week on Jones.
Just like the hall monitor stuff you’re just making stuff up. You can look at the football topics I post on, far from a one trick pony. You can ask the people on the Knicks and Yankees threads.
Perplexed as to why Gary Brightwell is not the punt returner, you can't convince me no way that it's that different, there was a day that a returner did both, all of them. To chance your top cornerback when you are already down 1 starting cornerback and you just lost your starting free safety. It's an unforgivable mistake. A mistake that puts this entire season in jeopardy. I love Daboll, but this was done thing I was screaming about from the get go. I even told ny daughter the Jason Seahorn story, before it happened, then it happened. To measure how pissed I am over that decision and John Mara's stubbirness that is confirmed by his decision to finally get rid of this shit turf. That is all I am pissed about. The other shut people here complain about, the only thing they are interested in us being right. That's it. I didn't think Jones was a good QB, I was wrong, a new coach came in and proved he is good when used correctly. The rest of the shot is about injuries, what tge fuck do you expect out of a best down roster that came into the season off a 4 win season. This offensive line has been beat up from the word go and Jones has more then hung in there. Jones resigning is tge biggest no Brainer there is to the off season. Not Barkley, but Jones being resigned. I also want Varkley, but Jones is far more important a signing.
waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Lol - “ they know it. “.
DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.
You have no clue what you are watching, none, you're pulling your inner detest DJ rolodex and oblivious to fact. Hutchinson is 6' 7", 6 feet 7 inches, try to process that. He leapt and fully extended his arms to haul that pass in, finger tips, secured it. Yes, it was a pic, it was important in the flow of the game, and DJ probably didn't see his drop, but it was a stellar defensive play any way somebody who knows something about football cuts it.
I don't think Jones is the long-term solution, but this is exactly what happened.
waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Lol - “ they know it. “.
DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.
Joe - The problem is who is out there to be the No. 1 receiver? Sans a Justin Jefferson like miracle in draft I struggle to see where an elite option is coming from immediately to help Jones. Even more Giants may have to spread the assets in cap and draft picks to take multiple receivers, including possibly adding a depth RB and a TE still too.
We are probably staring at a multi year draft and develop retool of the playmakers on offense. Giants also can’t ignore playmaking CB/LB needs on defense.
bw, I can't believe I'm saying this to you, but you say the nicest things, sometimes. (:
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I will be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs, though - the NFC sucks.
On balance, it might, but that Wash-Philly game opened my eyes. The NFC East may have a bunch of the best of the NFC.
As to DJ in the passing game, you both hold similar opinions that he is not the answer. This may well be the case. He's in his 4th year and if the jury is still very much out, he may be demonstrating that he's not. But--and you will both roll your eyes--over this long and far from distinguished tenure, way more often than not he has had very little to work with, OL and pass catchers. Those are the main factors imo why there remains uncertainty. Maybe Daboll and Schoen see it differently, i.e., no uncertainty.
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bw, I can't believe I'm saying this to you, but you say the nicest things, sometimes. (:
Brett
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I will be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs, though - the NFC sucks.
On balance, it might, but that Wash-Philly game opened my eyes. The NFC East may have a bunch of the best of the NFC.
As to DJ in the passing game, you both hold similar opinions that he is not the answer. This may well be the case. He's in his 4th year and if the jury is still very much out, he may be demonstrating that he's not. But--and you will both roll your eyes--over this long and far from distinguished tenure, way more often than not he has had very little to work with, OL and pass catchers. Those are the main factors imo why there remains uncertainty. Maybe Daboll and Schoen see it differently, i.e., no uncertainty.
I don't roll my eyes at it at all, I agree with it. The receivers are terrible. I think the line after the Cowboys game up until today has actually been pretty good but it's been bad most of the four years.
The passing game's mediocrity is certainly not all on Jones.
Perplexed as to why Gary Brightwell is not the punt returner, you can't convince me no way that it's that different, there was a day that a returner did both, all of them. To chance your top cornerback when you are already down 1 starting cornerback and you just lost your starting free safety. It's an unforgivable mistake. A mistake that puts this entire season in jeopardy. I love Daboll, but this was done thing I was screaming about from the get go. I even told ny daughter the Jason Seahorn story, before it happened, then it happened. To measure how pissed I am over that decision and John Mara's stubbirness that is confirmed by his decision to finally get rid of this shit turf. That is all I am pissed about. The other shut people here complain about, the only thing they are interested in us being right. That's it. I didn't think Jones was a good QB, I was wrong, a new coach came in and proved he is good when used correctly. The rest of the shot is about injuries, what tge fuck do you expect out of a best down roster that came into the season off a 4 win season. This offensive line has been beat up from the word go and Jones has more then hung in there. Jones resigning is tge biggest no Brainer there is to the off season. Not Barkley, but Jones being resigned. I also want Varkley, but Jones is far more important a signing.
If you dont think its that different. Its probably because you never played competitive football. Its similar to why catchers in baseball use a 1st baseman style glove for knuckleball pitchers. Good punters have the ability to generate all kinds of spin on a ball and as a PR you have to make sure you know what kind of spin is on the ball while gunners are ready to take your head off (no pressure).
On a kickoff the ball is rotating in one direction and you have at least 25-30 yards between where you catch the ball and the closest defender is
Brightwell muffed a kickoff today and you want him fielding punts?
waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Lol - “ they know it. “.
DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.
Ugh, with the injuries. The injury bug finally caught up on the field, it seems, and now more...
They may have ground Barkley into the ground with over use.
As to the Oline - Lemieux is the 3rd LG this year and his 1st game this year. Seems like he would be rusty as hell. Same with Peart as the 3rd RT this year. 3 injuries on the oline(including Ezeudu being out) in one game is pretty hard to overcome.
More importantly, the defense appears to have finally crapped the bed. The Lions have been playing well the past month. I am actually not surprised they lost.
I have been a bit down on Kafka's 1st half play calling and have brought it up several times. It has been weak all year. He has to throw more, early. It has to be done or they will not win again this year. He has to create plays that work with what he has.
There seemingly has to be some issue with the field surface at MetLife. It’s not the cause of all the injuries. It might not be the cause of most of the injuries. But it seems like the field is a non trivial factor in the number and severity of leg injuries incurred by players (home and visitor) on this surface.
Grass isn’t perfect, but it has to be better on the players.
waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Lol - “ they know it. “.
DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.
As to DJ in the passing game, you both hold similar opinions that he is not the answer. This may well be the case. He's in his 4th year and if the jury is still very much out, he may be demonstrating that he's not.
You will find that going into next season, Jones is the best available for us.
When you combine that with our likely inability to "stack" the team with viable WRs... we have to make sure our OL and DL are absolutely solid. Otherwise, this team will look the same next year.
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
Everything is an overreaction here
Team played a bit over its head, now injuries really taking there toll
Every game is different. Just cause we looked horrible today doesn’t mean we can’t beat Washington or Philly once
Colts and or Vikings too
Vikes looked horrid today
Last few games we should have back Neal, Bellinger, ojulari, BB, Adoree and X
You roll with that, try to sneak into 0layoffs and see what happens
I doubt Odell would come here if we lost two in a row and were floundering but if so , that would really help.
We all have to remember, we are playing with house money this yr
Team needs one more real good draft and a few solid FA signings for LT contention
What I care about is that they could not rely on the passing offense.
DJ playing his ass off with nothing around him
I will go to war with him
He may not be top 10 but he balls out and seems to be a real,leader at this point
Jackson’s injury while returning a punt early in the second quarter will leave Daboll open to second-guessing. But it’s not a hindsight situation, because there was plenty of first-guessing about the decision to use one of the team’s most important defensive players as the punt returner.
Daboll said he had no regrets about using Jackson in that role.
Shaping up to be a good year - again - to have need for WRs because it's another bumper crop, IMV, in the 2023 draft.
Actually the top group isn't as good as the last few years of wide receivers in the draft
We don’t need a number 1. What we need is 2-3 #2s wr. And alpha would be great but u have to get lucky with that. A few good prospects and a solid healthy vet would go a long way
And yes, it think 80% of Odell would help this yr and next
This site really is better when certain posters stay dormant.
Jones for the most part has been one of our better peroformers on offense this year. Thomas and Barkely have been better but the rest of the roster on that side isn't very good, let's be honest.
The dilemma is, do you throw 30M+ at him or not?
I don't think anybody is going to convert someone on the other camp to change his mind on Jones. They see what that want to see. Ummm, just like how they felt about Gettleman, Eli, and who else....
I mean, for god's sake there were posters asking if anybody would trade Jones for Herbert or Allen? Seriously?
We've been pulling wins out of our asses this year, if you think we are as good as our record then you are probably not paying attention. Against better teams down the stretch who can stop the run game, let's see how Jones performs and let that determines if he'll be worth that contract.
Losing in the trenches has been our main problem for years. Yes, our receivers stink, but the biggest problem is our o line. when the o line cannot run block or pass block you are not going to win, simple as that.
We have four picks in the first three rounds, I would use two on interior o line and two on receivers.
RE: We lost this game in the trenches simple as that
Losing in the trenches has been our main problem for years. Yes, our receivers stink, but the biggest problem is our o line. when the o line cannot run block or pass block you are not going to win, simple as that.
We have four picks in the first three rounds, I would use two on interior o line and two on receivers.
Thinking gates and ezudu could be solid in 23
We need a young DT, aling with ilb and cb
Hopefully beavers good to go too
I think it may be more cost effective to shore up front 7 with mid tier FA Draft bpa But yes over first 3 rds, 2 should be receivers Maybe 3 if u throw in 2nd TE If mayer is bpa , have to consider him 2 TE set with bellinger could be sweet
I had no issue with deciding to use Jackson to field punts
given that Jackson is more surehanded than Richie James, but I didn't think Daboll was foolish enough not to advise Jackson to always fair catch and forget about returning them.
Embarrassed at home by shit Detroit and now to add to the shortest major injuries to key guys
Robinson man second rounder is looking like a huge wasted second rounder dudes been hurt more than healthy and now his season over….
Embarrassed at home by shit Detroit and now to add to the shortest major injuries to key guys
Robinson man second rounder is looking like a huge wasted second rounder dudes been hurt more than healthy and now his season over….
Dallas is going to flush us. It's not going to be pretty.
Yup but D sucked ass today.
Regardless of how the O struggled, the D shitting the bed was a bigger disappointment for me. They really never stepped up once. They could’ve answered but didn’t.
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Flush it and move onto Dallas.
Dallas is going to flush us. It's not going to be pretty.
Go root for Dallas then
Don't need shit fans
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
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Flush it and move onto Dallas.
Dallas is going to flush us. It's not going to be pretty.
Go root for Dallas then
Don't need shit fans
Making an observation makes me a poor fan? Whatever. Stick it where the sun don't shine.
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
It is beyond appaling.
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
Par for game threads.
Kafka is a baby OC. Think he got schooled a bit today. When they took Barkley away, didn't adjust well. but even then, the middle of the Oline was just a mess today.
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
Giants fans have become the most toxic and delusional fans in the NFL
And effing Philly wins fack
There's not covering up this loss. The whole team sucked.
Now let's see what this team is made of on Thurs.
Do they bounce back and show some fight or turnover like the team of the last few years.
Kafka is a baby OC. Think he got schooled a bit today. When they took Barkley away, didn't adjust well. but even then, the middle of the Oline was just a mess today.
I just don't think there is a good plan B for when the run game doesn't work. Now with Wandale out...woof.
Giants now need to adjust.
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Giants fans need to get a grip.
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
Giants fans have become the most toxic and delusional fans in the NFL
Enough of that stupid word haha
Yup. The injuries are much worse than the loss. How many ACL injuries have we had this year? Beavers, McKeathen, Davidson, and now Robinson are the ones that I can think of. I think they were all at home as well.
And they won with ease against the same team the Giants struggled with. That should tell you something. Giants need more talent.
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Giants fans need to get a grip.
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
Giants fans have become the most toxic and delusional fans in the NFL
no just the BBI fans have been. I know Giants fans who done glue themselves to websites during the game and they seem much more rational
I truly believe half of this board spends more time posting then watching the game.
Great tip - I feel so much better....
But the injuries are the real bad outcome from today. They had one NFL caliber corner and he’s hurt (entirely as a result of coaching stupidity).They had two NFL caliber wide receivers and now one of them is hurt.
Barkley was lifeless. The defense looked beyond slow in the middle of the field.
The injuries are killer though- Wandale is devastating if it's ACL
Sums it up for me. The loss? Whatever.
The actual losses? Crippling.
But the injuries are the real bad outcome from today. They had one NFL caliber corner and he’s hurt (entirely as a result of coaching stupidity).They had two NFL caliber wide receivers and now one of them is hurt.
Barkley was lifeless. The defense looked beyond slow in the middle of the field.
This, I have nothing to add.
The game turned on his INT. I mean the giants suck in all areas so any mistake by DJ is going to cost us the game. He has to play perfect for us to even have a chance at winning.
Feel sorry for the rookie getting drafted into this mess.
I would agree if jones was throwing balls into danger this season and somehow they weren’t getting picked off. He just flat out made 2 bad plays that he’d avoided nearly all season. Gano didn’t regress. He was just awful.
The defense, OTOH, the red zone and third down defense TOTALLY regressed.
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Embarrassed at home by shit Detroit and now to add to the shortest major injuries to key guys
Robinson man second rounder is looking like a huge wasted second rounder dudes been hurt more than healthy and now his season over….
He gets hurt every game
Grammar is good, dude. It doesn't take that much effort for basic competence, seriously...
Move onto Dallas. It'll be tough, but any given Sunday. Or Thursday in this case.
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Everyone needs to relax and look long term
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
We are too thin talent wise and now injury wise. This has been a great season considering expectations and what we have. But dreams of playoffs (still possible) and championships are kind of out of bounds this year.
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Giants fans need to get a grip.
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
Giants fans have become the most toxic and delusional fans in the NFL
no just the BBI fans have been. I know Giants fans who done glue themselves to websites during the game and they seem much more rational
I truly believe half of this board spends more time posting then watching the game.
This board has been in serious decline for several years or more, now.
Houston tried but couldn't stop the pass.
Gates back at Center makes me feel better. Ojulari should be back right after Thanksgiving and should be able to help Thibs.
Think if Ojulari can stay healthy the rest of the season - might really turn pass rush around. Thibs is good and growing. And, they are getting good interior pressure.
I didn’t think it affected the Giants at all outside of that one fourth down throw by Jones that stayed in the air for three weeks.
Lemieux is not a starting OG just awful in pass protection
Saquon May have been feeling the after effects from last week. He did not run hard at all.
Teams will take away our running attack forcing the Giants to pass the ball in future games by playing 7 or 8 in the box.
Their is absolutely no pass rush on defense without Wink blitzing.
Where was Thibs today?
We have the worst ILB group in the NFL. Opposing OC can pass on our ILB all day if they wanted too
Jones has 8 games left to prove whether he gets another contract with a depleted WR group going forward
The blueprint has always been to stop Barkley and make DJ beat you. But Saquons greatness was overshadowing our deficiencies.
Saquon looks to be wearing down (plus that shoulder is messed up) so here we are
Back to the Week 1 question. Can Daniel Jones lead this team with his arm?
Said this after his 3rd Carry he looked slow,cold, & tired
I don't see him as even good depth right now.
Giants now need to adjust.
This is basically how Dallas beat us last time. They laid out the blueprint pretty early.
what?
The injuries are killer though- Wandale is devastating if it's ACL
The WDR is a killer because he may have been organically solving out WR issue.
Major setback considering we couldn't execute a deal for a WR by the trade deadline.
Peart was okay pass blocking. Don't think anyone was good run blocking.
The blueprint has always been to stop Barkley and make DJ beat you. But Saquons greatness was overshadowing our deficiencies.
Saquon looks to be wearing down (plus that shoulder is messed up) so here we are
Back to the Week 1 question. Can Daniel Jones lead this team with his arm?
This game did nothing to change my opinion on Daniel Jones. I am incredibly neutral on him. It will be very interesting to see what Shoen and Daboll do with him at the end of the season.
Whether he's good enough to run a high powered offense is unknown. We simply don't have a high powered offense for him to run.
Lemieux is not a starting OG just awful in pass protection
Saquon May have been feeling the after effects from last week. He did not run hard at all.
Teams will take away our running attack forcing the Giants to pass the ball in future games by playing 7 or 8 in the box.
Their is absolutely no pass rush on defense without Wink blitzing.
Where was Thibs today?
We have the worst ILB group in the NFL. Opposing OC can pass on our ILB all day if they wanted too
Jones has 8 games left to prove whether he gets another contract with a depleted WR group going forward
Pretty much my thoughts. I hope I don't tar you by association :) I asked on another thread if Thibs was hurt, cause Fox was playing down the stretch. I thought Jones did a good job passing, but those 2 INTs hurt. But he completed a lot of good passes to a mediocre receiving group, even with the wind, from both the pocket and when he was chased from the pocket.
This was the type of game where the margin for error is so small. The refs were shit, but had some mistakes (fumble, pick) that were bad and then the defense missed some key tackles on 3rd down. It wasn’t as bad a game as people are making it out to be (other than the injuries), we’ve just becomes accustomed to mistake free football. It happens, but the Lions are definitely better than people think; explosive offensively and a defense that is starting to play better.
Only bright side today is that we saw Peart and Gates perform admirably given their time off; Lemieux got owned all first half though.
I don't see him as even good depth right now.
That false start may have been on Gates. It looked like the whole OL moved except for him.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
This is where they need to run DJ more. D’s are going all out to stop Saquon and every time DJ kept it, he was successful. Keep doing it and eventually they’ll shift to stopping SJ and then Saquon makes them pay
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Lions executed the formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. Expect Dallas to do the same.
Giants now need to adjust.
This is basically how Dallas beat us last time. They laid out the blueprint pretty early.
Disagree completely on both points.
Giants ran for 167 yards against Dallas, the most the Cowpokes allowed the first 7 weeks of the season. They lost that game because they couldn’t pass protect AT ALL and didn’t use Barkley more.
Today, the Giants run blocking was atrocious. The Lions weren’t even loading up. The Giants just couldn’t make one on one blocks. Jones was actually pretty good outside of the picks… I know, I know. A real “Aside from that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln” situation.
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Your take never changes but, by your own words, Barkley isn't worth it either. In today's NFL backs can be had anywhere and we need to use all available $'s upgrading full roster. Barkley played like dogshit today .
The schedule is tough, but not impossible to pick up 2-3 wins, which should mean playoffs.
Teams know that the way to beat the Giants is to simply stack the LOS to stop Barkley. They know we basically have next to nothing in the passing game, and now don't even have that given Robinson's injury.
On defense, McFadden was poor IMO, and our LBs can't cover anyone. We were consistently burned on underneath passes, especially on third and long. Even though the Lions have a good OL, Goff had way too much time to throw.
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Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
He threw 2 picks...one on an amazing play by a stud defender and the other was air mailed on 4th down.
He was the only guy that showed up on offense. I'll give Breida honorable mention
Today, we gave up a 80% rate.
I don't view the 2nd pick as a throw away, as many did. I don't want to hear it was 4th, it's as good as a pick. They were looking to score there. He had a receiver and completely missed him.
He hit a ton of his third down conversions and also had short fields after the turn overs. Lastly, they ran the ball fairly effectively today with over 150 yards.
Peart was shaky on. Ore than a few plays.
Teams know that the way to beat the Giants is to simply stack the LOS to stop Barkley. They know we basically have next to nothing in the passing game, and now don't even have that given Robinson's injury.
On defense, McFadden was poor IMO, and our LBs can't cover anyone. We were consistently burned on underneath passes, especially on third and long. Even though the Lions have a good OL, Goff had way too much time to throw.
This was obvious before the season even started and yet the Giants have still won 7 games while only losing 3. I honestly don't get it.
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
Seriously. Ultimate trap game.
If we lose next week I get it, but this Lions teams is pretty good and we lost like 6 starters MID game. Good luck winning
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Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
He threw 2 picks...one on an amazing play by a stud defender and the other was air mailed on 4th down.
He was the only guy that showed up on offense. I'll give Breida honorable mention
You think the int to Hutchinson was an amazing play??
I mean. Dj threw it right to him. Hutchinson dropped in coverage and DJ threw it to him. Nothing amazing about that.
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Lions executed the formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. Expect Dallas to do the same.
Giants now need to adjust.
This is basically how Dallas beat us last time. They laid out the blueprint pretty early.
Disagree completely on both points.
Giants ran for 167 yards against Dallas, the most the Cowpokes allowed the first 7 weeks of the season. They lost that game because they couldn’t pass protect AT ALL and didn’t use Barkley more.
Today, the Giants run blocking was atrocious. The Lions weren’t even loading up. The Giants just couldn’t make one on one blocks. Jones was actually pretty good outside of the picks… I know, I know. A real “Aside from that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln” situation.
Yeah and Dallas ran for nearly 200 on us and didn't turn the ball over. I think they laid it out pretty clear in that game.
I had 6 wins as my pick at the beginning of the season.
So they are playing with house money.
I've been a Jones doubter, but he does have talent.
Just not much around him, and the D that looked good this point really looked bad today against a bottom dweller team.
Injuries: that's the nature of the sport. What team doesn't have a revolving door of short term and long term injuries?
Some talent and good coaching builds depth. It is what made NE teams so good for so long.
Keep Jones, let Dabol coach,
and wait until 2024.
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Seems like he had more
He hit a ton of his third down conversions and also had short fields after the turn overs. Lastly, they ran the ball fairly effectively today with over 150 yards.
Speaking of 3rd down....
Do we HAVE to blitz on seemingly every third down? Seems to be hurting us more than helping
He forced something on 4th down.
So he threw a pick when our OC got called out and another on 4th down must make. No worries
What I care about is that they could not rely on the passing offense.
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Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
He threw 2 picks...one on an amazing play by a stud defender and the other was air mailed on 4th down.
He was the only guy that showed up on offense. I'll give Breida honorable mention
Did he show up though? 145 of those passing yards came after the second pick when the game was out of reach and the Lions were in a shell. He was just as bad as the line, Barkley and defense
You think the int to Hutchinson was an amazing play??
I mean. Dj threw it right to him. Hutchinson dropped in coverage and DJ threw it to him. Nothing amazing about that.
Total BS. That was an amazing play for a DE to make. Saying it wasn't is just disingenuous.
You think the int to Hutchinson was an amazing play??
I mean. Dj threw it right to him. Hutchinson dropped in coverage and DJ threw it to him. Nothing amazing about that.
I'm still thinking about that one. It was a very good scheme by Detroit and Hutchinson showed some amazing athleticism to haul that in.
All three loses have the same blueprint.
They had a chance to overcome the offensive issues but this was the worst D effort of the year.
Regroup. Hopefully Neal makes it back.
The amount Williams and Lawrence have been playing maybe caught up today a bit. Detroit has a good OL and have been investing in it. They are a pretty good team imv.
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Daboll won’t provide updates on any of his players’ injuries, but the rookie is banged up.
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Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
He threw 2 picks...one on an amazing play by a stud defender and the other was air mailed on 4th down.
He was the only guy that showed up on offense. I'll give Breida honorable mention
Did he show up though? 145 of those passing yards came after the second pick when the game was out of reach and the Lions were in a shell. He was just as bad as the line, Barkley and defense
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
It was a truly pathetic performance by him. I said it before the season and feel the same now, you can't pay him the money he is going to want...
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Today, we gave up a 80% rate.
This was big.
The problem is that we have to run a hyper conservative offense because of him. You can win some games that way as we've seen, but its very difficult to sustain and severely caps our upside.
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Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
He threw 2 picks...one on an amazing play by a stud defender and the other was air mailed on 4th down.
He was the only guy that showed up on offense. I'll give Breida honorable mention
Did he show up though? 145 of those passing yards came after the second pick when the game was out of reach and the Lions were in a shell. He was just as bad as the line, Barkley and defense
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
That is no where near as annoying as your jones love affair along with many on this site who can find no fault with him.
This is not a franch QB or even a good QB. He picked up some first downs and he ran a bit today. He gives 110% . But that is where it ends. He cannot keep up in a shootout or come back or even earn the trust of his coach to take a game over and pass . when was the last time we had a game where he threw for like 300 yards, won , and had like 2-3 TDs? QBs do that . Even ones like Mat Ryan who get benched.
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and make the rest of the offense beat you. Pretty simple formula really. Amazing more of our opponents haven't been able to pull it off.
Houston tried but couldn't stop the pass.
Embarrassed at home by shit Detroit and now to add to the shortest major injuries to key guys
Robinson man second rounder is looking like a huge wasted second rounder dudes been hurt more than healthy and now his season over….
Hmmm.....shit Detroit just won four games in a row and they are playing just as good as Washington. We have have won many close games with sound football. Today was bad but let's give Detroit some credit. They are a young team with a lot of playmakers. They beat us us fair and square just like Seattle did. We all know we are not a very talented team and now it has caught up to us. Rest of the season will be hard to watch with all our injuries. Seattle and Detroit took Barkley away and that's the blueprint. Expect the worst and hope for the best on Thursday
Agreed but, regardless of Winks comments, Thibs needs to start making plays rather than "being" close.. we need sacks...
It was a truly pathetic performance by him. I said it before the season and feel the same now, you can't pay him the money he is going to want...
Barkley has a bad shoulder, plus he's worn down already, plus teams are keying in on him
That's alot to overcome
And I'm with you, I'm not onboard with giving him huge money. Surely there's a RB we can grab in the 3rd round that can give us good productivity
When's the last time a "run 1st" team has won the superbowl??
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Yeah that guy dominated! Couldn't believe the way he was pushing our OL around!
It makes you wonder what Breida is doing here if the coaching staff isn't going to spell Barkley with him. I think thats a legit criticism of kafka and dabbs.
Oh for fucks sake. He didn't see the dropping DE on the first one and was his first pick in forever. His 2nd one was on a 4th down prayer trying to make something happen. You guys need your eyes checked if you think he's some bum.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
Fucking pathetic.
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Said he'll have MRI tomorrow and go from there
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
I don’t hate Jones. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB of the future. He was also bad today. Just facts
Fucking pathetic.
Nobody’s excited. Definitely not excited about sitting in the cold to watch that performance.
Said it during the week sweeping Washington is going to be the their most likely, and possibly only path to 10 wins
yes ... another one who has a different opinion than you .. it happens in life. Deal with it.
It might, but Dallas having the tie breaker over us should we lose next week makes that harder.
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yes ... another one who has a different opinion than you .. it happens in life. Deal with it.
It’s my opinion you were exciting watching todays game.
There are fans literally excited to come here to post about something that had very little on the outcome of the game.
Sad, isn’t it?
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
I don’t hate Jones. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB of the future. He was also bad today. Just facts
Bad??? No, he wasn't bad. Barkley was fucking bad. His production was bad and his running effort was very bad.. Come on, be objective.
Lastly, we now have 4 Division games in a row now. These next four games will most likely give us an idea of whether we get into the playoffs or not, even at 7-3.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Bad??? No, he wasn't bad. Barkley was fucking bad. His production was bad and his running effort was very bad.. Come on, be objective.
Someone needs to be objective but it’s not who you think. You think he was good today?
Maybe, but not a lock. 10 is a lock. Because if we don’t get 10, Washington might be at 9-8 owning the tiebreaker.
Vegas has the line at 255.5. But they’re all objective posts, remember.
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I think 9-8 might do it.
Maybe, but not a lock. 10 is a lock. Because if we don’t get 10, Washington might be at 9-8 owning the tiebreaker.
I said this earlier in the week. The Washington games are going to be massive. They have an easier schedule from here on out.
Yeah that first quarter was shit. X-Man penalty let them off the hook on punting that ball and basically gave them 3 points. Then the DJ picks. 10 points right there. Throw in the Gano misses and thats a lot of points.
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I think 9-8 might do it.
Maybe, but not a lock. 10 is a lock. Because if we don’t get 10, Washington might be at 9-8 owning the tiebreaker.
I think missing at 9-8 is extremely tough, but it means we’re probably going on the road to Seattle or Minnesota instead of playing the south winner.
What a pathetic take wow!
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
Vegas has the line at 255.5. But they’re all objective posts, remember.
You’re mad at the Giants, not at me. I forgive you.
Why is he above criticism this week?
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
It’s pretty simple. The turnovers and scoring 12 points before garbage time against one of the worst defenses in the league. 145 of those 330 yards came in garbage time.
At some point, especially with Saquon bottled up, DJ started to put the game on his own shoulders; it is possible to try too hard.
Lol like after the Seattle loss when I was one of the most positive ones here?
And two interceptions, not blaming him for the loss, but can we agree he threw two picks, one of them setting up Detroit in field goal range which they turned into a TD.
Maybe. But how many QBs with DJs success to date went on to have great careers in the NFL? I'm neutral on him, but "we will regret it for 15 years" is a pretty bold statement.
You’re mad at the Giants, not at me. I forgive you.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Wow, you are so wrong on most of what you say that I have to assume you just do it on purpose.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Kind of a stupid comment, since the guy has had 5 come from behind game winning drives in the fourth quarter and another that started when they were tied. All with pedestrian at best receivers. The reason they aren't built to come back is a lack of explosive receivers.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Same here. DJ was the last guy I was worried about today. I was way more worried about our D not stepping up.
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This week?
Vegas has the line at 255.5. But they’re all objective posts, remember.
You’re mad at the Giants, not at me. I forgive you.
Why is he above criticism this week?
For you he is never above criticism...
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the rules with Jones.
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
It’s pretty simple. The turnovers and scoring 12 points before garbage time against one of the worst defenses in the league. 145 of those 330 yards came in garbage time. [/quote
It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Kind of a stupid comment, since the guy has had 5 come from behind game winning drives in the fourth quarter and another that started when they were tied. All with pedestrian at best receivers. The reason they aren't built to come back is a lack of explosive receivers.
It's been stated over and over how little he had to do with those, using his arm. Against the Ravens, Lamar turned the ball over in the redzone twice...against Jacksonville, he didn't complete a pass in the 4th quarter. He played well against Green Bay...but stop trying to make DJ something he's not. He's a good QB..he's mot a franchise QB that can put a team on his shoulders and throw, in crunch time, to win games. He needs A LOT of help.
I didn't think Jones played that bad today. I'm going to guess his QBR is 50+.
I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
I agree. Jones was finding a rhythm and moving the ball. That fumble was a killer. Not positive the defense would have gotten a stop though even if they cut it to 5. The defense is just not that good. And I'm stunned more teams don't run the ball more on us. They can't stop the run consistently.
It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
Typical of you, no interest in discussing football, just personal attacks.
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
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It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
Typical of you, no interest in discussing football, just personal attacks.
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
One being a 4th down prayer down a million while being pressured. Idk why thats being held against Jones to prop up this narrative.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
I don’t hate Jones. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB of the future. He was also bad today. Just facts
Jones was bad today? Hutchinson made an unbelievable play, and Daniel missed a tough throw to Robinson
Jones was actually pretty good today. 347 and 50, hard to define that as factually bad.
I think he showed he can put up big numbers despite very limited resources.
I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
Today two other areas were major factors too:
1) Our tackling is not good. We allowed a few 1st half drives to continue due to bad tackling. That wears a defense down over time.2) we can't get a clean pass rush. We get pressure, usually via a blitz but we are not getting to the QB;
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
So wait - throwing for under 200 yards is unsustainable to winning and you use a game where they threw for 350 and lost??
Since you delude yourself into thinking you actually talk "football" instead of just rail against Jones in hundreds of posts each week, I wonder how much of your posting time will take Barkley and the OL to task this week? You'll still have hundreds of posts in your hours long time suck, and those other areas will be a passing mention if brought up at all by you.
Talking "football" requires more than just droning on about one thing over and over and over and fucking over - but you don't get that, Ace.
One being a 4th down prayer down a million while being pressured. Idk why thats being held against Jones to prop up this narrative.
It was 4th and 5.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Agree.
We can't blame him for the second pick. It was fourth down and he had nowhere else to go with the ball. He gave his wr a shot but the coverage was too good. It's not dissimilar from being picked on a Hail Mary. What's he supposed to do, throw the ball away?
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Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
So wait - throwing for under 200 yards is unsustainable to winning and you use a game where they threw for 350 and lost??
Since you delude yourself into thinking you actually talk "football" instead of just rail against Jones in hundreds of posts each week, I wonder how much of your posting time will take Barkley and the OL to task this week? You'll still have hundreds of posts in your hours long time suck, and those other areas will be a passing mention if brought up at all by you.
Talking "football" requires more than just droning on about one thing over and over and over and fucking over - but you don't get that, Ace.
See that’s not what happens. I’m involved in plenty of other discussions unrelated to Jones. You just take what fits your narrative. I’ve said multiple times everyone sucked today. Only one person is getting excuses though. Most of my conversations about Jones the past few weeks have been mostly about the financials. He’s been better this year, wasn’t good today. Those are fair takes, the defensive mode you guys go into is weird.
It’s ok Scott. Be mad at the Giants not me.
Luckily for you, I don't waste hours on this site anymore debating foolish takes of those who fancy themselves to be intelligent, so I have no inclination to run and tell the hall monitor.
Embarrassed at home by shit Detroit and now to add to the shortest major injuries to key guys
Robinson man second rounder is looking like a huge wasted second rounder dudes been hurt more than healthy and now his season over….
And not sure how Gnew got banned because of me.
And for the record I didn’t run to the hall monitor, but just like your plagiarism feel free to make shit up.
And not sure how Gnew got banned because of me.
My "incident"?? Why would that stop me from posting? I [post on game days maybe a half dozen times and that's it. I decided that spending hours a day arguing with people who weren't interested in anything other than pushing forward their agendas was not productive and tiresome, and it continues now, even though the team is doing well.
You don't see it because you think posting hours a week about Jones has merit - which is less indicative of your knowledge as it is about your lack of self awareness. At some point you'll realize you're just wasting time that could be used to actually be more productive, or at least anything substative.
You are happy being a one trick pony. Wallow in it - but don't confuse yourself as being some deep thinker on the game of football because you have the energy to posts hundreds of times each week on Jones.
Whether he's good enough to run a high powered offense is unknown. We simply don't have a high powered offense for him to run.
Jones wasn't going to never throw another INT again. I'm not that upset over the picks. But my thinking on Jones hasn't really changed this year: I don't think he's capable of producing at a high level in the passing game, which I think is the most important ingredient for long-term team success. He can limit turnovers (which he has done very well this season) or he can produce yardage and passing touchdowns with a bunch of INTs. We passed the ball down the field a little more today and Jones turned the ball over twice. I don't think he can ever be a 30 TD-10 INT guy. That's why I don't think he will be back next year.
Last thing on the offense: they have called so few bootlegs and runs for Jones the past few games - I was disappointed it didn't happen more often today once Barkley was getting bottled up. I get the desire to preserve the QB but we just don't have it in the passing game.
I think the defense has shown a lot of worrying signs in recent weeks. The Texans were moving the ball well against us in the second half last week and we were sort of saved by timely turnovers. Jackson being out is a disaster.
Giants and Lions are roughly average football teams - Lions probably a little more below average but I don't think they're that bad. Giants have won due to good coaching, discipline (which was awful today), and winning the turnover battle. None of that happened today. I've enjoyed this season - games like this are going to happen when you're starved for talent like the Giants are. I will be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs, though - the NFC sucks.
I mean. Dj threw it right to him. Hutchinson dropped in coverage and DJ threw it to him. Nothing amazing about that.
You have no clue what you are watching, none, you're pulling your inner detest DJ rolodex and oblivious to fact. Hutchinson is 6' 7", 6 feet 7 inches, try to process that. He leapt and fully extended his arms to haul that pass in, finger tips, secured it. Yes, it was a pic, it was important in the flow of the game, and DJ probably didn't see his drop, but it was a stellar defensive play any way somebody who knows something about football cuts it.
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For your incident last year.
And not sure how Gnew got banned because of me.
My "incident"?? Why would that stop me from posting? I [post on game days maybe a half dozen times and that's it. I decided that spending hours a day arguing with people who weren't interested in anything other than pushing forward their agendas was not productive and tiresome, and it continues now, even though the team is doing well.
You don't see it because you think posting hours a week about Jones has merit - which is less indicative of your knowledge as it is about your lack of self awareness. At some point you'll realize you're just wasting time that could be used to actually be more productive, or at least anything substative.
You are happy being a one trick pony. Wallow in it - but don't confuse yourself as being some deep thinker on the game of football because you have the energy to posts hundreds of times each week on Jones.
Just like the hall monitor stuff you’re just making stuff up. You can look at the football topics I post on, far from a one trick pony. You can ask the people on the Knicks and Yankees threads.
You just make shit up.
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Lol - “ they know it. “.
DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.
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Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
You have no clue what you are watching, none, you're pulling your inner detest DJ rolodex and oblivious to fact. Hutchinson is 6' 7", 6 feet 7 inches, try to process that. He leapt and fully extended his arms to haul that pass in, finger tips, secured it. Yes, it was a pic, it was important in the flow of the game, and DJ probably didn't see his drop, but it was a stellar defensive play any way somebody who knows something about football cuts it.
I don't think Jones is the long-term solution, but this is exactly what happened.
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Lol - “ they know it. “.
DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.
Joe - The problem is who is out there to be the No. 1 receiver? Sans a Justin Jefferson like miracle in draft I struggle to see where an elite option is coming from immediately to help Jones. Even more Giants may have to spread the assets in cap and draft picks to take multiple receivers, including possibly adding a depth RB and a TE still too.
We are probably staring at a multi year draft and develop retool of the playmakers on offense. Giants also can’t ignore playmaking CB/LB needs on defense.
I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
Shaping up to be a good year - again - to have need for WRs because it's another bumper crop, IMV, in the 2023 draft.
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You think the int to Hutchinson was an amazing play??
I mean. Dj threw it right to him. Hutchinson dropped in coverage and DJ threw it to him. Nothing amazing about that.
Total BS. That was an amazing play for a DE to make. Saying it wasn't is just disingenuous.
Brett
As to DJ in the passing game, you both hold similar opinions that he is not the answer. This may well be the case. He's in his 4th year and if the jury is still very much out, he may be demonstrating that he's not. But--and you will both roll your eyes--over this long and far from distinguished tenure, way more often than not he has had very little to work with, OL and pass catchers. Those are the main factors imo why there remains uncertainty. Maybe Daboll and Schoen see it differently, i.e., no uncertainty.
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Bad??? No, he wasn't bad. Barkley was fucking bad. His production was bad and his running effort was very bad.. Come on, be objective.
Someone needs to be objective but it’s not who you think. You think he was good today?
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I will be disappointed if we don't make the playoffs, though - the NFC sucks.
On balance, it might, but that Wash-Philly game opened my eyes. The NFC East may have a bunch of the best of the NFC.
As to DJ in the passing game, you both hold similar opinions that he is not the answer. This may well be the case. He's in his 4th year and if the jury is still very much out, he may be demonstrating that he's not. But--and you will both roll your eyes--over this long and far from distinguished tenure, way more often than not he has had very little to work with, OL and pass catchers. Those are the main factors imo why there remains uncertainty. Maybe Daboll and Schoen see it differently, i.e., no uncertainty.
I don't roll my eyes at it at all, I agree with it. The receivers are terrible. I think the line after the Cowboys game up until today has actually been pretty good but it's been bad most of the four years.
The passing game's mediocrity is certainly not all on Jones.
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It’ll be relying on a rookie and cheap options.
Shaping up to be a good year - again - to have need for WRs because it's another bumper crop, IMV, in the 2023 draft.
Actually the top group isn't as good as the last few years of wide receivers in the draft
If you dont think its that different. Its probably because you never played competitive football. Its similar to why catchers in baseball use a 1st baseman style glove for knuckleball pitchers. Good punters have the ability to generate all kinds of spin on a ball and as a PR you have to make sure you know what kind of spin is on the ball while gunners are ready to take your head off (no pressure).
On a kickoff the ball is rotating in one direction and you have at least 25-30 yards between where you catch the ball and the closest defender is
Brightwell muffed a kickoff today and you want him fielding punts?
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It’ll be relying on a rookie and cheap options.
Shaping up to be a good year - again - to have need for WRs because it's another bumper crop, IMV, in the 2023 draft.
Yup this draft crop is very good. We can probably land two
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Lol - “ they know it. “.
DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.
Throw multiple picks?
They may have ground Barkley into the ground with over use.
As to the Oline - Lemieux is the 3rd LG this year and his 1st game this year. Seems like he would be rusty as hell. Same with Peart as the 3rd RT this year. 3 injuries on the oline(including Ezeudu being out) in one game is pretty hard to overcome.
More importantly, the defense appears to have finally crapped the bed. The Lions have been playing well the past month. I am actually not surprised they lost.
I have been a bit down on Kafka's 1st half play calling and have brought it up several times. It has been weak all year. He has to throw more, early. It has to be done or they will not win again this year. He has to create plays that work with what he has.
Grass isn’t perfect, but it has to be better on the players.
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Lol - “ they know it. “.
DJ, showed today what he will do next season with a #1 receiver and a more aggressive passing attack.
Throw multiple picks?
Nah. 400 yards of offense.
As to DJ in the passing game, you both hold similar opinions that he is not the answer. This may well be the case. He's in his 4th year and if the jury is still very much out, he may be demonstrating that he's not.
You will find that going into next season, Jones is the best available for us.
When you combine that with our likely inability to "stack" the team with viable WRs... we have to make sure our OL and DL are absolutely solid. Otherwise, this team will look the same next year.
I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.
Everything is an overreaction here
Team played a bit over its head, now injuries really taking there toll
Every game is different. Just cause we looked horrible today doesn’t mean we can’t beat Washington or Philly once
Colts and or Vikings too
Vikes looked horrid today
Last few games we should have back Neal, Bellinger, ojulari, BB, Adoree and X
You roll with that, try to sneak into 0layoffs and see what happens
I doubt Odell would come here if we lost two in a row and were floundering but if so , that would really help.
We all have to remember, we are playing with house money this yr
Team needs one more real good draft and a few solid FA signings for LT contention
What I care about is that they could not rely on the passing offense.
DJ playing his ass off with nothing around him
I will go to war with him
He may not be top 10 but he balls out and seems to be a real,leader at this point
Daboll said he had no regrets about using Jackson in that role.
https://theathletic.com/3916584/2022/11/20/giants-lions-takeaways-daniel-jones/ - ( New Window )
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It’ll be relying on a rookie and cheap options.
Shaping up to be a good year - again - to have need for WRs because it's another bumper crop, IMV, in the 2023 draft.
Actually the top group isn't as good as the last few years of wide receivers in the draft
We don’t need a number 1. What we need is 2-3 #2s wr. And alpha would be great but u have to get lucky with that. A few good prospects and a solid healthy vet would go a long way
And yes, it think 80% of Odell would help this yr and next
The dilemma is, do you throw 30M+ at him or not?
I don't think anybody is going to convert someone on the other camp to change his mind on Jones. They see what that want to see. Ummm, just like how they felt about Gettleman, Eli, and who else....
I mean, for god's sake there were posters asking if anybody would trade Jones for Herbert or Allen? Seriously?
We've been pulling wins out of our asses this year, if you think we are as good as our record then you are probably not paying attention. Against better teams down the stretch who can stop the run game, let's see how Jones performs and let that determines if he'll be worth that contract.
We have four picks in the first three rounds, I would use two on interior o line and two on receivers.
We have four picks in the first three rounds, I would use two on interior o line and two on receivers.
Thinking gates and ezudu could be solid in 23
We need a young DT, aling with ilb and cb
Hopefully beavers good to go too
I think it may be more cost effective to shore up front 7 with mid tier FA Draft bpa But yes over first 3 rds, 2 should be receivers Maybe 3 if u throw in 2nd TE If mayer is bpa , have to consider him 2 TE set with bellinger could be sweet