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New York Giants vs Detroit Lions Post-Game / Injury Updates

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/20/2022 3:59 pm
Giants injury losses today:

Jason Pinnock (jaw)
Jon Feliciano (neck)
Wan'Dale Robinson (knee)
Adoree' Jackson (knee)
Fabian Moreau (ribs)
Tyre Philips (neck)
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RE: ...  
HomerJones45 : 11/20/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15915112 outeiroj said:
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit
The apologists get dibs today.
RE: The game can be explained away with the  
Geomon : 11/20/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15915121 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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penalties, turnovers, and special teams. The margin of error is so small with this team that they can’t blow games in those areas and they mostly haven’t all season until today.

But the injuries are the real bad outcome from today. They had one NFL caliber corner and he’s hurt (entirely as a result of coaching stupidity).They had two NFL caliber wide receivers and now one of them is hurt.

Barkley was lifeless. The defense looked beyond slow in the middle of the field.


This, I have nothing to add.
Well this season  
Mike in Marin : 11/20/2022 4:16 pm : link
Ended quickly. Lots to be excited about but over by Thanksgiving... Just the same as usual.
RE: ...  
broadbandz : 11/20/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15915112 outeiroj said:
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit


The game turned on his INT. I mean the giants suck in all areas so any mistake by DJ is going to cost us the game. He has to play perfect for us to even have a chance at winning.

Feel sorry for the rookie getting drafted into this mess.
RE: It's called regressing to the mean.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/20/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15915119 Gruber said:
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6-1 flattered us and I'm sure Daboll and Schoen knew that.


I would agree if jones was throwing balls into danger this season and somehow they weren’t getting picked off. He just flat out made 2 bad plays that he’d avoided nearly all season. Gano didn’t regress. He was just awful.

The defense, OTOH, the red zone and third down defense TOTALLY regressed.
RE: RE: .  
Dave in Buffalo : 11/20/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15915032 Beer Man said:
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We stink.

Embarrassed at home by shit Detroit and now to add to the shortest major injuries to key guys


Robinson man second rounder is looking like a huge wasted second rounder dudes been hurt more than healthy and now his season over….

He gets hurt every game


Grammar is good, dude. It doesn't take that much effort for basic competence, seriously...
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/20/2022 4:21 pm : link
Bad game. It happens. The injuries suck, but people waving the white flag on the season...to be as nice as possible, goodbye.

Move onto Dallas. It'll be tough, but any given Sunday. Or Thursday in this case.
Goff only had 165 yards  
bc4life : 11/20/2022 4:21 pm : link
Seems like he had more
RE: ...  
GMen72 : 11/20/2022 4:21 pm : link
In comment 15915112 outeiroj said:
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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit


No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.
Count me in  
WeekendLife56 : 11/20/2022 4:21 pm : link
The group of people who will welcome a switch grass.....just brutal. Our best CB doesn't fair catch what.....I'll take it tho were 7-3 onto the boys.
3 year rebuild  
larryflower37 : 11/20/2022 4:21 pm : link
This team is ahead of schedule. They have good coaching and no talent and less now after the injuries.
Everyone needs to relax and look long term
RE: Some  
igotyourbackman : 11/20/2022 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15915053 Eric from BBI said:
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Giants fans need to get a grip.

I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.


We are too thin talent wise and now injury wise. This has been a great season considering expectations and what we have. But dreams of playoffs (still possible) and championships are kind of out of bounds this year.
RE: RE: RE: Some  
Dave in Buffalo : 11/20/2022 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15915116 Rory said:
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In comment 15915087 Tim in Eternal Blue said:


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In comment 15915053 Eric from BBI said:


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Giants fans need to get a grip.

I get the frustration, but much of the reaction on the game thread is appalling. Not embarrassing, but appalling.



Giants fans have become the most toxic and delusional fans in the NFL



no just the BBI fans have been. I know Giants fans who done glue themselves to websites during the game and they seem much more rational

I truly believe half of this board spends more time posting then watching the game.


This board has been in serious decline for several years or more, now.
Question. Did the wind affect the passing game much?  
CT Charlie : 11/20/2022 4:23 pm : link
I wasn't charting it, but it seemed like both teams passed much better in one direction than the other.
shut down Saquon  
bluepepper : 11/20/2022 4:23 pm : link
and make the rest of the offense beat you. Pretty simple formula really. Amazing more of our opponents haven't been able to pull it off.
I’m surprised  
JFIB : 11/20/2022 4:24 pm : link
They stuck with Barkley so long. Not sure why but he was definitely running tentatively today. Did not look like the fired up Saquan we have seen the first part of the season. Gates should keep the center spot for the rest of the season. DJ is absolutely a keeper and a player I would build this offense around.
O line  
Hilary : 11/20/2022 4:24 pm : link
thought Gates and Peart played well
RE: shut down Saquon  
Geomon : 11/20/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15915165 bluepepper said:
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and make the rest of the offense beat you. Pretty simple formula really. Amazing more of our opponents haven't been able to pull it off.

Houston tried but couldn't stop the pass.
they could still make playoffs  
bc4life : 11/20/2022 4:26 pm : link
but people were overrating this team.

Gates back at Center makes me feel better. Ojulari should be back right after Thanksgiving and should be able to help Thibs.

Think if Ojulari can stay healthy the rest of the season - might really turn pass rush around. Thibs is good and growing. And, they are getting good interior pressure.
We've been riding Barkley super hard  
Jerry in_DC : 11/20/2022 4:26 pm : link
He might be feeling it physically.
RE: Question. Did the wind affect the passing game much?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/20/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15915163 CT Charlie said:
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I wasn't charting it, but it seemed like both teams passed much better in one direction than the other.


I didn’t think it affected the Giants at all outside of that one fourth down throw by Jones that stayed in the air for three weeks.
Several observations  
Rick in Dallas : 11/20/2022 4:27 pm : link
Injuries have completely debilitated this roster
Lemieux is not a starting OG just awful in pass protection
Saquon May have been feeling the after effects from last week. He did not run hard at all.
Teams will take away our running attack forcing the Giants to pass the ball in future games by playing 7 or 8 in the box.
Their is absolutely no pass rush on defense without Wink blitzing.
Where was Thibs today?
We have the worst ILB group in the NFL. Opposing OC can pass on our ILB all day if they wanted too
Jones has 8 games left to prove whether he gets another contract with a depleted WR group going forward
....  
riceneggs : 11/20/2022 4:27 pm : link
We all knew this conservative offensive gameplan wasn't sustainable.

The blueprint has always been to stop Barkley and make DJ beat you. But Saquons greatness was overshadowing our deficiencies.

Saquon looks to be wearing down (plus that shoulder is messed up) so here we are

Back to the Week 1 question. Can Daniel Jones lead this team with his arm?
RE: We've been riding Barkley super hard  
WeekendLife56 : 11/20/2022 4:27 pm : link
In comment 15915180 Jerry in_DC said:
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He might be feeling it physically.


Said this after his 3rd Carry he looked slow,cold, & tired
Did not watch Peart all of the game.  
bc4life : 11/20/2022 4:27 pm : link
Did see him get beat a few times and the untimely false start.

I don't see him as even good depth right now.
seems like the vast  
bc4life : 11/20/2022 4:29 pm : link
majority of Barkley runs were inside. Wouldn't you want to run him outside more - Lions are known for a lot of speed.
RE: got to change things up  
thefan : 11/20/2022 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15915105 HomerJones45 said:
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Lions executed the formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. Expect Dallas to do the same.

Giants now need to adjust.


This is basically how Dallas beat us last time. They laid out the blueprint pretty early.
Saw Thibs get held  
bc4life : 11/20/2022 4:30 pm : link
on a few plays as he was getting close to Goff
RE: seems like the vast  
thefan : 11/20/2022 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15915197 bc4life said:
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majority of Barkley runs were inside. Wouldn't you want to run him outside more - Lions are known for a lot of speed.


what?
RE: Relax  
bw in dc : 11/20/2022 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15915127 Jerry in_DC said:
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We're not that good of a team. We've done amazingly well to win 7 games so far. This team should have zero expectations. We were never going to win every game against all our bad/mediocre opponents.

The injuries are killer though- Wandale is devastating if it's ACL


The WDR is a killer because he may have been organically solving out WR issue.

Major setback considering we couldn't execute a deal for a WR by the trade deadline.
RE: O line  
k2tampa : 11/20/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15915173 Hilary said:
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thought Gates and Peart played well


Peart was okay pass blocking. Don't think anyone was good run blocking.
RE: ....  
thefan : 11/20/2022 4:32 pm : link
In comment 15915189 riceneggs said:
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We all knew this conservative offensive gameplan wasn't sustainable.

The blueprint has always been to stop Barkley and make DJ beat you. But Saquons greatness was overshadowing our deficiencies.

Saquon looks to be wearing down (plus that shoulder is messed up) so here we are

Back to the Week 1 question. Can Daniel Jones lead this team with his arm?


This game did nothing to change my opinion on Daniel Jones. I am incredibly neutral on him. It will be very interesting to see what Shoen and Daboll do with him at the end of the season.
DJ has shown he can deliver the ball  
fkap : 11/20/2022 4:34 pm : link
There are very limited options for him to deliver it to, though.

Whether he's good enough to run a high powered offense is unknown. We simply don't have a high powered offense for him to run.

Lions  
bc4life : 11/20/2022 4:34 pm : link
not known for a lot of speed. Seemed like Barkley 's runs were primarily between the tackles.
 
ryanmkeane : 11/20/2022 4:35 pm : link
Just a brutal day no other way around it
How many QBs in football could  
Carl in CT : 11/20/2022 4:35 pm : link
Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.
DJ has limited wrs  
bc4life : 11/20/2022 4:35 pm : link
and McNeil was in backfield the entire game.
RE: Several observations  
Bill in UT : 11/20/2022 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15915187 Rick in Dallas said:
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Injuries have completely debilitated this roster
Lemieux is not a starting OG just awful in pass protection
Saquon May have been feeling the after effects from last week. He did not run hard at all.
Teams will take away our running attack forcing the Giants to pass the ball in future games by playing 7 or 8 in the box.
Their is absolutely no pass rush on defense without Wink blitzing.
Where was Thibs today?
We have the worst ILB group in the NFL. Opposing OC can pass on our ILB all day if they wanted too
Jones has 8 games left to prove whether he gets another contract with a depleted WR group going forward


Pretty much my thoughts. I hope I don't tar you by association :) I asked on another thread if Thibs was hurt, cause Fox was playing down the stretch. I thought Jones did a good job passing, but those 2 INTs hurt. But he completed a lot of good passes to a mediocre receiving group, even with the wind, from both the pocket and when he was chased from the pocket.
Disappointing game  
csb : 11/20/2022 4:36 pm : link
The injuries are a killer; have never seen a team with so many knee injuries. For the amount they invest in these players they have to find a surface better than what they have.

This was the type of game where the margin for error is so small. The refs were shit, but had some mistakes (fumble, pick) that were bad and then the defense missed some key tackles on 3rd down. It wasn’t as bad a game as people are making it out to be (other than the injuries), we’ve just becomes accustomed to mistake free football. It happens, but the Lions are definitely better than people think; explosive offensively and a defense that is starting to play better.

Only bright side today is that we saw Peart and Gates perform admirably given their time off; Lemieux got owned all first half though.
RE: Did not watch Peart all of the game.  
Bill in UT : 11/20/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15915191 bc4life said:
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Did see him get beat a few times and the untimely false start.

I don't see him as even good depth right now.

That false start may have been on Gates. It looked like the whole OL moved except for him.
RE: How many QBs in football could  
thefan : 11/20/2022 4:37 pm : link
In comment 15915222 Carl in CT said:
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Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.


You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?
RE: shut down Saquon  
Eman11 : 11/20/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15915165 bluepepper said:
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and make the rest of the offense beat you. Pretty simple formula really. Amazing more of our opponents haven't been able to pull it off.


This is where they need to run DJ more. D’s are going all out to stop Saquon and every time DJ kept it, he was successful. Keep doing it and eventually they’ll shift to stopping SJ and then Saquon makes them pay
RE: RE: got to change things up  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 11/20/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15915200 thefan said:
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Lions executed the formula- stop Barkley and make the passing game beat you. Expect Dallas to do the same.

Giants now need to adjust.



This is basically how Dallas beat us last time. They laid out the blueprint pretty early.


Disagree completely on both points.

Giants ran for 167 yards against Dallas, the most the Cowpokes allowed the first 7 weeks of the season. They lost that game because they couldn’t pass protect AT ALL and didn’t use Barkley more.

Today, the Giants run blocking was atrocious. The Lions weren’t even loading up. The Giants just couldn’t make one on one blocks. Jones was actually pretty good outside of the picks… I know, I know. A real “Aside from that, how was the play Mrs. Lincoln” situation.
RE: RE: ...  
jvm52106 : 11/20/2022 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15915154 GMen72 said:
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In comment 15915112 outeiroj said:


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waiting for the DJ haters to come in and blame him for everything including the missed penaltys on detroit



No need. DJ didn't lose this game. He just proved what many already knew. He's a game manager that needs a run game, great defense, and close games to be successful. He'd not worth franchise QB money...coaches and front office know it.


Your take never changes but, by your own words, Barkley isn't worth it either. In today's NFL backs can be had anywhere and we need to use all available $'s upgrading full roster. Barkley played like dogshit today .
Today was brutal  
Matt M. : 11/20/2022 4:40 pm : link
But, I am not writing off this season yet. Neal should be back. Bellinger may be back. Gates may now be back at OC, so the OL and blocking should improve beginning Thursday. Today aside, we still have one of the top 5 RB in the league. We've had no WRs all year, so at least this week is no different.

The schedule is tough, but not impossible to pick up 2-3 wins, which should mean playoffs.
McNeil  
AcidTest : 11/20/2022 4:41 pm : link
was absolutely destroying Lemieux, and to some extent Feliciano. Aside from Thomas, the OL is journeymen and an unproven rookie. Jones was running for his life most of the time.

Teams know that the way to beat the Giants is to simply stack the LOS to stop Barkley. They know we basically have next to nothing in the passing game, and now don't even have that given Robinson's injury.

On defense, McFadden was poor IMO, and our LBs can't cover anyone. We were consistently burned on underneath passes, especially on third and long. Even though the Lions have a good OL, Goff had way too much time to throw.
RE: RE: How many QBs in football could  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/20/2022 4:41 pm : link
In comment 15915231 thefan said:
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In comment 15915222 Carl in CT said:


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Run for 50and pass for 340+ with this shit? Maybe Allen or Jackson. That’s it.



You left out a key stat there. Not blaming Jones for this loss, but he did throw two picks right?


He threw 2 picks...one on an amazing play by a stud defender and the other was air mailed on 4th down.
He was the only guy that showed up on offense. I'll give Breida honorable mention
Don't see Lions as an explosive offense  
bc4life : 11/20/2022 4:42 pm : link
But when they get run going - they play actioned well. Goff only had 165 yards
Fox showed a stat early, that the red zone defense was 2nd in the NFL  
Bramton1 : 11/20/2022 4:43 pm : link
with a 37% touchdown rate.

Today, we gave up a 80% rate.
Why is it OK for so many to say  
Matt M. : 11/20/2022 4:43 pm : link
"except for the picks"? The first, in my opinion, was the turning point in the game. To that point, we were controlling the time of possession and outgaining the Lions. That pick set the Lions up with a short field and allowed them to take the lead.

I don't view the 2nd pick as a throw away, as many did. I don't want to hear it was 4th, it's as good as a pick. They were looking to score there. He had a receiver and completely missed him.
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