Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
I don’t hate Jones. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB of the future. He was also bad today. Just facts
Bad??? No, he wasn't bad. Barkley was fucking bad. His production was bad and his running effort was very bad.. Come on, be objective.
The staff has done a very good job of getting back ups ready to play, however You can only go so far with back up talent starting all of your games. The short week is going to be interesting. I have a hard time believing we’re going to go to Dallas on a short week, play on Thanksgiving in their house on a Nationally televised game with back ups at many starting positions. The secondary is also now more of a mess then it’s been.
Lastly, we now have 4 Division games in a row now. These next four games will most likely give us an idea of whether we get into the playoffs or not, even at 7-3.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
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One of them happened when the Giants were up 6-3 and handed Detroit a touchdown.
Yeah that first quarter was shit. X-Man penalty let them off the hook on punting that ball and basically gave them 3 points. Then the DJ picks. 10 points right there. Throw in the Gano misses and thats a lot of points.
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
It’s pretty simple. The turnovers and scoring 12 points before garbage time against one of the worst defenses in the league. 145 of those 330 yards came in garbage time.
Assuming everyone is healthy. Where do you think our biggest weakness is? It’s pretty easy…. We have no linebackers who can fill or drop in coverage. That’s a huge problem and is catching up to us since our corners are hurt. All you Jones haters wanted him to throw and throw he did. He wasn’t bad. 344 yards with those Wr and OL supported by no running game (other than him). If we don’t sign this kid We will regret that day for next 15 years.
Assuming everyone is healthy. Where do you think our biggest weakness is? It’s pretty easy…. We have no linebackers who can fill or drop in coverage. That’s a huge problem and is catching up to us since our corners are hurt. All you Jones haters wanted him to throw and throw he did. He wasn’t bad. 344 yards with those Wr and OL supported by no running game (other than him). If we don’t sign this kid We will regret that day for next 15 years.
And two interceptions, not blaming him for the loss, but can we agree he threw two picks, one of them setting up Detroit in field goal range which they turned into a TD.
Assuming everyone is healthy. Where do you think our biggest weakness is? It’s pretty easy…. We have no linebackers who can fill or drop in coverage. That’s a huge problem and is catching up to us since our corners are hurt. All you Jones haters wanted him to throw and throw he did. He wasn’t bad. 344 yards with those Wr and OL supported by no running game (other than him). If we don’t sign this kid We will regret that day for next 15 years.
Maybe. But how many QBs with DJs success to date went on to have great careers in the NFL? I'm neutral on him, but "we will regret it for 15 years" is a pretty bold statement.
I've lost count on the ACL tears for the Rookie class...
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
The booth to the 4th string corners. It’s ok to say it, it happens. Move on to Dallas. Sweep Washington and you’ll be looking at a chance for a 10 win season heading into Indy and Philly, both who should have nothing to play for.
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Wow, you are so wrong on most of what you say that I have to assume you just do it on purpose.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Kind of a stupid comment, since the guy has had 5 come from behind game winning drives in the fourth quarter and another that started when they were tied. All with pedestrian at best receivers. The reason they aren't built to come back is a lack of explosive receivers.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Same here. DJ was the last guy I was worried about today. I was way more worried about our D not stepping up.
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the rules with Jones.
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
It’s pretty simple. The turnovers and scoring 12 points before garbage time against one of the worst defenses in the league. 145 of those 330 yards came in garbage time. [/quote
It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Kind of a stupid comment, since the guy has had 5 come from behind game winning drives in the fourth quarter and another that started when they were tied. All with pedestrian at best receivers. The reason they aren't built to come back is a lack of explosive receivers.
It's been stated over and over how little he had to do with those, using his arm. Against the Ravens, Lamar turned the ball over in the redzone twice...against Jacksonville, he didn't complete a pass in the 4th quarter. He played well against Green Bay...but stop trying to make DJ something he's not. He's a good QB..he's mot a franchise QB that can put a team on his shoulders and throw, in crunch time, to win games. He needs A LOT of help.
the loss of Mckinney plus the in game injuries took a big toll on our secondary and we are not flush with top level wideouts or linebackers. Our best TE is out. Our O-line was makeshift and doing their best but it was not enough. Play better or get destroyed on Thanksgiving.
When they cut it to 24-12, I still thought they had a chance. The third turnover sealed it for good.
I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
I agree. Jones was finding a rhythm and moving the ball. That fumble was a killer. Not positive the defense would have gotten a stop though even if they cut it to 5. The defense is just not that good. And I'm stunned more teams don't run the ball more on us. They can't stop the run consistently.
It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
Typical of you, no interest in discussing football, just personal attacks.
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
Typical of you, no interest in discussing football, just personal attacks.
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
One being a 4th down prayer down a million while being pressured. Idk why thats being held against Jones to prop up this narrative.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
I don’t hate Jones. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB of the future. He was also bad today. Just facts
Jones was bad today? Hutchinson made an unbelievable play, and Daniel missed a tough throw to Robinson
Jones was actually pretty good today. 347 and 50, hard to define that as factually bad.
I think he showed he can put up big numbers despite very limited resources.
When they cut it to 24-12, I still thought they had a chance. The third turnover sealed it for good.
I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
Today two other areas were major factors too:
1) Our tackling is not good. We allowed a few 1st half drives to continue due to bad tackling. That wears a defense down over time.2) we can't get a clean pass rush. We get pressure, usually via a blitz but we are not getting to the QB;
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
So wait - throwing for under 200 yards is unsustainable to winning and you use a game where they threw for 350 and lost??
Since you delude yourself into thinking you actually talk "football" instead of just rail against Jones in hundreds of posts each week, I wonder how much of your posting time will take Barkley and the OL to task this week? You'll still have hundreds of posts in your hours long time suck, and those other areas will be a passing mention if brought up at all by you.
Talking "football" requires more than just droning on about one thing over and over and over and fucking over - but you don't get that, Ace.
Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Agree.
We can't blame him for the second pick. It was fourth down and he had nowhere else to go with the ball. He gave his wr a shot but the coverage was too good. It's not dissimilar from being picked on a Hail Mary. What's he supposed to do, throw the ball away?
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
So wait - throwing for under 200 yards is unsustainable to winning and you use a game where they threw for 350 and lost??
Since you delude yourself into thinking you actually talk "football" instead of just rail against Jones in hundreds of posts each week, I wonder how much of your posting time will take Barkley and the OL to task this week? You'll still have hundreds of posts in your hours long time suck, and those other areas will be a passing mention if brought up at all by you.
Talking "football" requires more than just droning on about one thing over and over and over and fucking over - but you don't get that, Ace.
See that’s not what happens. I’m involved in plenty of other discussions unrelated to Jones. You just take what fits your narrative. I’ve said multiple times everyone sucked today. Only one person is getting excuses though. Most of my conversations about Jones the past few weeks have been mostly about the financials. He’s been better this year, wasn’t good today. Those are fair takes, the defensive mode you guys go into is weird.
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yes ... another one who has a different opinion than you .. it happens in life. Deal with it.
It’s my opinion you were exciting watching todays game.
There are fans literally excited to come here to post about something that had very little on the outcome of the game.
Sad, isn’t it?
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
I don’t hate Jones. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB of the future. He was also bad today. Just facts
Bad??? No, he wasn't bad. Barkley was fucking bad. His production was bad and his running effort was very bad.. Come on, be objective.
Lastly, we now have 4 Division games in a row now. These next four games will most likely give us an idea of whether we get into the playoffs or not, even at 7-3.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Bad??? No, he wasn't bad. Barkley was fucking bad. His production was bad and his running effort was very bad.. Come on, be objective.
Someone needs to be objective but it’s not who you think. You think he was good today?
Maybe, but not a lock. 10 is a lock. Because if we don’t get 10, Washington might be at 9-8 owning the tiebreaker.
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Maybe, but not a lock. 10 is a lock. Because if we don’t get 10, Washington might be at 9-8 owning the tiebreaker.
I said this earlier in the week. The Washington games are going to be massive. They have an easier schedule from here on out.
Yeah that first quarter was shit. X-Man penalty let them off the hook on punting that ball and basically gave them 3 points. Then the DJ picks. 10 points right there. Throw in the Gano misses and thats a lot of points.
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Maybe, but not a lock. 10 is a lock. Because if we don’t get 10, Washington might be at 9-8 owning the tiebreaker.
I think missing at 9-8 is extremely tough, but it means we’re probably going on the road to Seattle or Minnesota instead of playing the south winner.
What a pathetic take wow!
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
Vegas has the line at 255.5. But they’re all objective posts, remember.
You’re mad at the Giants, not at me. I forgive you.
Why is he above criticism this week?
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
It’s pretty simple. The turnovers and scoring 12 points before garbage time against one of the worst defenses in the league. 145 of those 330 yards came in garbage time.
At some point, especially with Saquon bottled up, DJ started to put the game on his own shoulders; it is possible to try too hard.
Lol like after the Seattle loss when I was one of the most positive ones here?
And two interceptions, not blaming him for the loss, but can we agree he threw two picks, one of them setting up Detroit in field goal range which they turned into a TD.
Maybe. But how many QBs with DJs success to date went on to have great careers in the NFL? I'm neutral on him, but "we will regret it for 15 years" is a pretty bold statement.
You’re mad at the Giants, not at me. I forgive you.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Wow, you are so wrong on most of what you say that I have to assume you just do it on purpose.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Kind of a stupid comment, since the guy has had 5 come from behind game winning drives in the fourth quarter and another that started when they were tied. All with pedestrian at best receivers. The reason they aren't built to come back is a lack of explosive receivers.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Same here. DJ was the last guy I was worried about today. I was way more worried about our D not stepping up.
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Vegas has the line at 255.5. But they’re all objective posts, remember.
You’re mad at the Giants, not at me. I forgive you.
Why is he above criticism this week?
For you he is never above criticism...
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the rules with Jones.
His production and running were bad when he went for over 330 yards and had several first downs and a TD running, but when he throws for under 200 yards, it's also indictive that he's not good.
What's the metrics that us laymen need to follow that the experts who post hundreds of times a week about Jones being poor know in and out??
It’s pretty simple. The turnovers and scoring 12 points before garbage time against one of the worst defenses in the league. 145 of those 330 yards came in garbage time. [/quote
It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Do you understand how football works? Mop-up yards and points against the prevent are meaningless. Not to mention, even down 18, DJ has no ability to throw the ball down the field...everything is a 2-5 yard pass. He made 2 really good throws...everything else was dink and dunk.
There's one main reason the announcers always say the "Giants aren't a team built to come from behind"...Daniel Jones.
Kind of a stupid comment, since the guy has had 5 come from behind game winning drives in the fourth quarter and another that started when they were tied. All with pedestrian at best receivers. The reason they aren't built to come back is a lack of explosive receivers.
It's been stated over and over how little he had to do with those, using his arm. Against the Ravens, Lamar turned the ball over in the redzone twice...against Jacksonville, he didn't complete a pass in the 4th quarter. He played well against Green Bay...but stop trying to make DJ something he's not. He's a good QB..he's mot a franchise QB that can put a team on his shoulders and throw, in crunch time, to win games. He needs A LOT of help.
I didn't think Jones played that bad today. I'm going to guess his QBR is 50+.
I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
I agree. Jones was finding a rhythm and moving the ball. That fumble was a killer. Not positive the defense would have gotten a stop though even if they cut it to 5. The defense is just not that good. And I'm stunned more teams don't run the ball more on us. They can't stop the run consistently.
It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
Typical of you, no interest in discussing football, just personal attacks.
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
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It's simple?? Then explain why when Jones throws for 195 yards and 50+ rushing in a win, it isn't sustainable and indicative of a poor QB, and you'll spend hundreds of posts that week saying the same thing, but when he gets 300+ yards and a rushing TD, "garbage time" is the explanation and you'll spend hundreds of posts this week telling people why?
There's only one constant - you posting hundreds of times a week about Jones. I wonder if you'll ever look back at this obsessive venture as a colossal waste of time or if you'll continue to look at yourself as some sort of football savant (when you actually are just the usual preceder to savant)
Typical of you, no interest in discussing football, just personal attacks.
Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
One being a 4th down prayer down a million while being pressured. Idk why thats being held against Jones to prop up this narrative.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
Am I attacking you? You hate Jones and I expect it of you. Just facts.
I don’t hate Jones. I don’t think he’s good enough to be the QB of the future. He was also bad today. Just facts
Jones was bad today? Hutchinson made an unbelievable play, and Daniel missed a tough throw to Robinson
Jones was actually pretty good today. 347 and 50, hard to define that as factually bad.
I think he showed he can put up big numbers despite very limited resources.
I called it in my game preview when I said turnovers and red-zone offense/defense would be the deciding factors.
Today two other areas were major factors too:
1) Our tackling is not good. We allowed a few 1st half drives to continue due to bad tackling. That wears a defense down over time.2) we can't get a clean pass rush. We get pressure, usually via a blitz but we are not getting to the QB;
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
So wait - throwing for under 200 yards is unsustainable to winning and you use a game where they threw for 350 and lost??
Since you delude yourself into thinking you actually talk "football" instead of just rail against Jones in hundreds of posts each week, I wonder how much of your posting time will take Barkley and the OL to task this week? You'll still have hundreds of posts in your hours long time suck, and those other areas will be a passing mention if brought up at all by you.
Talking "football" requires more than just droning on about one thing over and over and over and fucking over - but you don't get that, Ace.
One being a 4th down prayer down a million while being pressured. Idk why thats being held against Jones to prop up this narrative.
It was 4th and 5.
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Nah. He was the only players consistently picking up first downs. He had WRs drop catchable balls. You just can't get over your Jones hate. It's cool. I expect nothing else from you.
Lol, why the attack? Jones was bad today. It’s ok to say it.
I honestly think Jones did well today. The 2 Ints sucked, but all QBs throw them. He threw a lot of nice balls, still completed over 61% of his passes for 340 yds, used his legs, and got us 3 TDs with zero running attack. When I was watching the game I certainly was more worried about other parts of the teams play than Jones.
Agree.
We can't blame him for the second pick. It was fourth down and he had nowhere else to go with the ball. He gave his wr a shot but the coverage was too good. It's not dissimilar from being picked on a Hail Mary. What's he supposed to do, throw the ball away?
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Stats have context. Throwing for under 200 yards a game is unsustainable, we saw them struggle with Houston to score doing it.
Sure they threw for more, but they still couldn’t put up points and throwing more led to more turnovers. Not sure what’s actually to debate here. It’s the facts of what happened on the field today.
So wait - throwing for under 200 yards is unsustainable to winning and you use a game where they threw for 350 and lost??
Since you delude yourself into thinking you actually talk "football" instead of just rail against Jones in hundreds of posts each week, I wonder how much of your posting time will take Barkley and the OL to task this week? You'll still have hundreds of posts in your hours long time suck, and those other areas will be a passing mention if brought up at all by you.
Talking "football" requires more than just droning on about one thing over and over and over and fucking over - but you don't get that, Ace.
See that’s not what happens. I’m involved in plenty of other discussions unrelated to Jones. You just take what fits your narrative. I’ve said multiple times everyone sucked today. Only one person is getting excuses though. Most of my conversations about Jones the past few weeks have been mostly about the financials. He’s been better this year, wasn’t good today. Those are fair takes, the defensive mode you guys go into is weird.
It’s ok Scott. Be mad at the Giants not me.