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UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 7:48 am
the day is finally here!

England v. Iran @ 8am EST
Senegal v. Netherlands @11am EST
USA v. Wales @ 2pm EST
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RE: RE: RE: Are all teams resseded after  
Producer : 11/21/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15917191 drake88 said:
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the group stage? Is any final possible ?



No



Is Serbia-Croatia possible with the way it is set up?


Serbia and Croatia can meet as long as they both don't finish first in their group or both don't finish second in their group. One has to win their group and the other has to finish second.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Are all teams resseded after  
drake88 : 11/21/2022 4:20 pm : link
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the group stage? Is any final possible ?



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Is Serbia-Croatia possible with the way it is set up?



Serbia and Croatia can meet as long as they both don't finish first in their group or both don't finish second in their group. One has to win their group and the other has to finish second.


got it. thanks. still cheering for the US but wanted a backup matchup.
RE: We  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/21/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15917190 AcidTest said:
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had one shot on goal. We should try and take some shots from outside the penalty box where it's less crowded to at least give the opposing GK something to do. Of course, we'd actually have to put those shots on goal and not send them 10 miles over the bar as players usually do.


This game needed a little bit of Gio Reyna unfortunately. But without a real striker, the pieces don't seem to fit well enough.
When a Tie is a Loss  
Jeffrey : 11/21/2022 4:20 pm : link
Whether by design or not the US completely changed tactics in the second half after total domination in the first half. Put that on the coach because teams that play to protect a lead often blow the game. Some random thoughts from my chair:

Still lacking a real striker on this team. Noticed Sargent dropping too deep to get involved in the play rather than staying up top and providing a target. Wright had no impact.

Tyler Adams is by far the US best player and most consistent.

Pulisic does what he does best--attacking from wide position and creating chances and what he does poorly--terrible set pieces. Been waiting for someone else to be given a shot but seems unlikely. Terribly inconsistent officiating but Pulisic and others need to stop whining as it does not work with professional referees.

Weah is a beast on the ball but too often the attack was down the left side and he was not involved.

Left back is still a problem for the US with Dest often out of position andscrambling to get back and Yedlin not an attacking option at all.

McKennie and Musah leaving the game hurt but both must be injured.

Aaronson did not have the same impact in terms of size or strength as McKennie and Acosta is not close to the threat of Musah.

Where's Reyna?

Ream did great and Zimmerman has played long enough now to know that his unnecessary mistake--and it was a clear foul--may ultimately send the Americans home early.

This was the result that I expected but could have easily been avoided had the team not become so timid up top and in the midfield in the second half. So now it comes down to goal differential as to who loses by the least to England and who can beat Iran by the most. I am not betting on the US as their players looked totally wasted in the second half and some are injured or playing on a yellow which makes it hard to go full steam.
Disappointing result  
Sean : 11/21/2022 4:21 pm : link
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RE: When a Tie is a Loss  
thefan : 11/21/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15917216 Jeffrey said:
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Whether by design or not the US completely changed tactics in the second half after total domination in the first half. Put that on the coach because teams that play to protect a lead often blow the game. Some random thoughts from my chair:

Still lacking a real striker on this team. Noticed Sargent dropping too deep to get involved in the play rather than staying up top and providing a target. Wright had no impact.

Tyler Adams is by far the US best player and most consistent.

Pulisic does what he does best--attacking from wide position and creating chances and what he does poorly--terrible set pieces. Been waiting for someone else to be given a shot but seems unlikely. Terribly inconsistent officiating but Pulisic and others need to stop whining as it does not work with professional referees.

Weah is a beast on the ball but too often the attack was down the left side and he was not involved.

Left back is still a problem for the US with Dest often out of position andscrambling to get back and Yedlin not an attacking option at all.

McKennie and Musah leaving the game hurt but both must be injured.

Aaronson did not have the same impact in terms of size or strength as McKennie and Acosta is not close to the threat of Musah.

Where's Reyna?

Ream did great and Zimmerman has played long enough now to know that his unnecessary mistake--and it was a clear foul--may ultimately send the Americans home early.

This was the result that I expected but could have easily been avoided had the team not become so timid up top and in the midfield in the second half. So now it comes down to goal differential as to who loses by the least to England and who can beat Iran by the most. I am not betting on the US as their players looked totally wasted in the second half and some are injured or playing on a yellow which makes it hard to go full steam.


Seems to a layman here that Wales adjusted well in the second half and stopped playing not to get beat. Had Wales played like that the entire game I am not sure we could've won. I guess Wales feared the US counter in the first half?

Disappointing game, but at least we held onto a point.
Here's a more clear pic of the bracket than the one I posted above:  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:26 pm : link


Sorry about the bottom of the pic posted previously being obstructed.
RE: When a Tie is a Loss  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15917216 Jeffrey said:
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Whether by design or not the US completely changed tactics in the second half after total domination in the first half. Put that on the coach because teams that play to protect a lead often blow the game. Some random thoughts from my chair:

Still lacking a real striker on this team. Noticed Sargent dropping too deep to get involved in the play rather than staying up top and providing a target. Wright had no impact.

Tyler Adams is by far the US best player and most consistent.

Pulisic does what he does best--attacking from wide position and creating chances and what he does poorly--terrible set pieces. Been waiting for someone else to be given a shot but seems unlikely. Terribly inconsistent officiating but Pulisic and others need to stop whining as it does not work with professional referees.

Weah is a beast on the ball but too often the attack was down the left side and he was not involved.

Left back is still a problem for the US with Dest often out of position andscrambling to get back and Yedlin not an attacking option at all.

McKennie and Musah leaving the game hurt but both must be injured.

Aaronson did not have the same impact in terms of size or strength as McKennie and Acosta is not close to the threat of Musah.

Where's Reyna?

Ream did great and Zimmerman has played long enough now to know that his unnecessary mistake--and it was a clear foul--may ultimately send the Americans home early.

This was the result that I expected but could have easily been avoided had the team not become so timid up top and in the midfield in the second half. So now it comes down to goal differential as to who loses by the least to England and who can beat Iran by the most. I am not betting on the US as their players looked totally wasted in the second half and some are injured or playing on a yellow which makes it hard to go full steam.


Excellent analysis. At least one of the announcers was questioning why Reyna didn't play. I thought we'd have some counterattacking opportunities in the second half as Wales started to press forward but the lack of a real finishing striker meant that even when we did, we couldn't capitalize. We have very little on offense.
If I'm reading that bracket right,  
Metnut : 11/21/2022 4:27 pm : link
it's 1A vs 2B in the round of 16? That wouldn't be the worst group to face.
RE: If I'm reading that bracket right,  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15917230 Metnut said:
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it's 1A vs 2B in the round of 16? That wouldn't be the worst group to face.


Oops from before! That'd be correct. US can get to the Round of 16. I expect it actually, as long as these guys play like they're able.
RE: If I'm reading that bracket right,  
thefan : 11/21/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15917230 Metnut said:
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it's 1A vs 2B in the round of 16? That wouldn't be the worst group to face.


Netherlands will likely win that group and are a good team. Easily top 10 and probably top 5 team.
Pulisic needs to quit  
Gman11 : 11/21/2022 4:35 pm : link
the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
RE: Pulisic needs to quit  
rnargi : 11/21/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15917241 Gman11 said:
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the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.


To me it seemed they played for the 1 nil score and it cost them. Thoughts?
Let's do a thread each day for all the games.  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:40 pm : link
Check out the four games scheduled for tomorrow (EST):

RE: RE: Pulisic needs to quit  
Jeffrey : 11/21/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15917248 rnargi said:
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the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.



To me it seemed they played for the 1 nil score and it cost them. Thoughts?


I really don't think that the US was playing for a tie. I think they looked like a young team that was trying to protect a lead and something the coaches have to prevent. The crisp passing was completely missing to begin the second half and the US players were not putting together the combinations they did in the first half for the better part of the first 25 minutes of the second half. After that they played better but still looked tired and slow and several times the ball was just cleared out of the back rather than making an effort to play on the front foot. I am as frustrated as anyone by what I think was an unnecessary loss--I mean tie-- but it is not shocking given the youth of this team.

The problem now is that England is an entirely different type of animal than Wales and the US will have to play a more defensive game. If they beat the US, England could and should likely rest many of their star players in the Wales match to be fresh for the next round. This will give Wales an advantage in the goal differential battle that appears likely unless Iran can pull a stunner. Iran is ranked 20th and Wales 19th so anything is possible in what will be a home game for Iran. However, that will require an entirely different Iran to show up than we saw today.
RE: RE: RE: Pulisic needs to quit  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15917261 Jeffrey said:
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the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.



To me it seemed they played for the 1 nil score and it cost them. Thoughts?



I really don't think that the US was playing for a tie. I think they looked like a young team that was trying to protect a lead and something the coaches have to prevent. The crisp passing was completely missing to begin the second half and the US players were not putting together the combinations they did in the first half for the better part of the first 25 minutes of the second half. After that they played better but still looked tired and slow and several times the ball was just cleared out of the back rather than making an effort to play on the front foot. I am as frustrated as anyone by what I think was an unnecessary loss--I mean tie-- but it is not shocking given the youth of this team.

The problem now is that England is an entirely different type of animal than Wales and the US will have to play a more defensive game. If they beat the US, England could and should likely rest many of their star players in the Wales match to be fresh for the next round. This will give Wales an advantage in the goal differential battle that appears likely unless Iran can pull a stunner. Iran is ranked 20th and Wales 19th so anything is possible in what will be a home game for Iran. However, that will require an entirely different Iran to show up than we saw today.


"If they beat the US, England could and should likely rest many of their star players in the Wales match to be fresh for the next round."

Combine this with the fact that Wales are sort of "bretheren" to England, and this could be a bad scenario. England resting players and not being to upset with a Wales draw, is a bad place for the US to be.
The positives going forward  
Jerry in_DC : 11/21/2022 5:01 pm : link
- We have some game. We made Wales look pathetic in the 1st half.
- Wales don't look like they have a ton of goals in them. I don't see them lighting up Iran
- England is not laying down for Wales. Even if they play all their subs, they are going to go super hard

Despite all that, massive disappointment in the 2nd half. We just needed to control the ball and not make a mistake on D. Couldn't do that to see it out. We definitely got nervous/tired, which is to be expected from a young team, but massively frustrating nonetheless. We were real close to having a huge advantage. Now it's a complete dogfight.

This is a different US team though. It's not the standard blood, guts, and set pieces. In fact our set pieces on both ends kind of suck. This team can really play.
If anybody thinks  
Jerry in_DC : 11/21/2022 5:02 pm : link
England is rolling over for Wales, they have never met an English or Welsh person.
RE: The positives going forward  
Jeffrey : 11/21/2022 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15917268 Jerry in_DC said:
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- We have some game. We made Wales look pathetic in the 1st half.
- Wales don't look like they have a ton of goals in them. I don't see them lighting up Iran
- England is not laying down for Wales. Even if they play all their subs, they are going to go super hard

Despite all that, massive disappointment in the 2nd half. We just needed to control the ball and not make a mistake on D. Couldn't do that to see it out. We definitely got nervous/tired, which is to be expected from a young team, but massively frustrating nonetheless. We were real close to having a huge advantage. Now it's a complete dogfight.

This is a different US team though. It's not the standard blood, guts, and set pieces. In fact our set pieces on both ends kind of suck. This team can really play.


To be clear I do not expect England to lay down for Wales, but it would be coaching malpractice (something Southgate is capable of) for England not to rest their stars if they have already clinched the first position after the US game. Realistically this young and talented US squad is here to advance to the next round and gain valuable experience. England is here to win the World Cup.
Several observations  
Rick in Dallas : 11/21/2022 5:36 pm : link
Dest was played out of position.
Pulisic was terrible on set piece deliveries which use to be a USMNT strength.
Tyler Adams played a terrific game as did Robinson.
We stopped attacking in second half. Tried to counter attack Wales.
When was the last time we had a true striker. Has been a weakness for years
Is Reyna injured?
Stupid penalty by Zimmerman on Bales with his back to the goal. Just needed to stand him up.
Truth be told we were lucky to get a draw. Moore should have buried that header.
England is going to dominate us in the midfield Friday
Iran could beat or tie Wales, over 50% on betting sites  
schabadoo : 11/21/2022 6:37 pm : link
England's subs, from what I've heard, are not much of a dropoff.

That's the optimistic take.
As poorly as we played in the second half, the result  
CT Charlie : 11/21/2022 7:11 pm : link
came down to one ugly blunder, the kind of foul that a high school player shouldn't make. Bale is a phenomenal player, but unlike other world-class strikers, he's not much of a threat to work magic with his back to the goal.

If we'd been offered a draw before the match, though, I'd have accepted it.
RE: Draw made sense...  
jomps : 11/21/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15917176 bw in dc said:
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USA: 1
Wales/FIFA: 1


Why FIFA?
RE: RE: Pulisic needs to quit  
jomps : 11/21/2022 8:14 pm : link
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the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.



To me it seemed they played for the 1 nil score and it cost them. Thoughts?


I agree, USA looked much better than Wales in the 1st half, but seemed to decide 1-0 was enough and thought their best chance was to hold on to the result, this was a game that if they won they're likely in the playoffs.

England likely beats everyone and 2nd place could be had with 4 points and best goal differential.
Who’s up early  
giantBCP : 11/22/2022 6:18 am : link
and watching this potential upset?
RE: Who’s up early  
jomps : 11/22/2022 6:31 am : link
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and watching this potential upset?


This result would be a dream come true to me.
RE: Who’s up early  
Optimus-NY : 11/22/2022 6:41 am : link
In comment 15917618 giantBCP said:
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and watching this potential upset?


Me, lol.
Terrible header from Messi  
giantBCP : 11/22/2022 6:53 am : link
from point blank range.
That didn’t look good at all.  
giantBCP : 11/22/2022 7:00 am : link
It’s been a while since I’ve seen a player get KOed like that.
That final save by the Saudis  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2022 7:19 am : link
wasn’t the most difficult but couldn’t be any bigger. First big upset of the tourney.
I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/22/2022 8:36 am : link
don't think this is true, Optimus:

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If we're 2nd in this group and get through to the 2nd round then we play the 1st place finisher in Group D. France is the obvious favorite in that group. Whoever finishes 2nd in Group B is likely in for a monumental task in the next round.


If we get through as the 2nd place team, we would play the 1st place team from Group A, and the winner of that match would play the winner of the 1C - 2D match. At least that's how the brackets are usually done and I don't think there's been a change. The winner of the D group (if France), would play the 2nd place team from Group C
Tunisia taking it to Denmark right now  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/22/2022 8:45 am : link
Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be 2002 all over again with a bunch of upsets?
Incredible upset.  
Producer : 11/22/2022 8:45 am : link
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RE: Tunisia taking it to Denmark right now  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2022 8:56 am : link
In comment 15917689 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be 2002 all over again with a bunch of upsets?


I hope so. Always fun to see the juggernauts go down.
USMNT second half v. Wales  
ColHowPepper : 11/22/2022 8:58 am : link
I didn't see it as switching tactics in the 2nd half; from minute 45 until ~ 70, the game looked to me much the same, except US was wearing down, it had played an energetic balls to the wall 1st, and we had no answers for Moore and height in the area.

As we tired, the missed touches you saw in the 1st became more prevalent, there were so many potential services into the area that were just a bit off and/or were outright missed by their targets, frustrating. Wales played patiently and began to prevail in midfield as the 2nd half wore on.

Musah, Dest, and Sargent (?) were subbed, I didn't like the play of the men off the bench at all, clear decline in play.

As said by many, set pieces were anemic and they need better deliveries. Which brings me to Pulisic: he is highly skilled, but I thought he had a poor game, his wonderful redirection to Weah notwithstanding. I thought his decision making was poor, crossing when he could have sent or run deeper and taking on two defenders when he should have crossed. His whining, as well as his very obvious flops trying to draw calls, stood out for what they were, not good looks.

The penalty, good gosh, guess Z was just overtaken by the moment, he must cringe now every time he has to see a replay.
What a save by Ochoa  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2022 12:17 pm : link
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Wish we had this ref  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2022 12:26 pm : link
he’s letting them play and isn’t calling every single 50/50 tackle.
RE: Tunisia taking it to Denmark right now  
Producer : 11/22/2022 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15917689 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be 2002 all over again with a bunch of upsets?


My feelings too.
Don't know where to put this but Ronaldo is gone from United  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/22/2022 1:07 pm : link
Mutual termination aka we pay you to go away and don't let the door knob hit you on the way out.

Another milestone of how awful the Glazers (and Ed Woodward) have botched the last decade.
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RE: What a save by Ochoa  
ColHowPepper : 11/22/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15918050 UConn4523 said:
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By and large, the populations of Mexico and Central America are smallish by NA and northern hemisphere standards. Yet, in a sport and at a position where height and length are highly valued, Mexico and Costa Rica have two of the best keepers in the world and maybe the shortest in this WC. Love their heart and quickness and understanding of the game.
RE: Don't know where to put this but Ronaldo is gone from United  
ColHowPepper : 11/22/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15918125 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Mutual termination aka we pay you to go away and don't let the door knob hit you on the way out.

Another milestone of how awful the Glazers (and Ed Woodward) have botched the last decade. Link - ( New Window )

They have and the cynics in UK about their ownership have many good reasons to be appalled and outraged. But, BHE, on the merits of Ronaldo the player, don't you see his as a shell of his former ability?
RE: RE: Don't know where to put this but Ronaldo is gone from United  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/22/2022 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15918209 ColHowPepper said:
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Mutual termination aka we pay you to go away and don't let the door knob hit you on the way out.

Another milestone of how awful the Glazers (and Ed Woodward) have botched the last decade. Link - ( New Window )


They have and the cynics in UK about their ownership have many good reasons to be appalled and outraged. But, BHE, on the merits of Ronaldo the player, don't you see his as a shell of his former ability?


He scored 20+ goals last year. The key here is he doesn't fit into a modern system and was a poor fit from the beginning. He's a poacher that doesn't press. Cavani was a much better fit for the Ten Hag system and the club drove him out when they signed Ronaldo.

Ronaldo should finish his career where it started at Sporting.
great equalizer for France  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2022 2:27 pm : link
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2-1 France  
Jints in Carolina : 11/22/2022 2:36 pm : link
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France plays better with Giroud  
giantBCP : 11/22/2022 2:39 pm : link
Deschamps should have never let Benzema back in the team to begin with.
Ronaldo back to united was such a bad call for them...  
Italianju : 11/22/2022 2:43 pm : link
he didnt fit the team at all. Def has stunted the trajectory of Fernandez. Ever since Ronaldo has got there Bruno has looked like a completely different player.

Time for Ronaldo to do his MLS tour. How badly will Apple push for that to happen, lol.
Ronaldo  
giantBCP : 11/22/2022 2:53 pm : link
was looking washed up during his third and final season at Juventus. They were fortunate to be able o ship him out when they did.
Now the Glazers exploring a sale  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/22/2022 3:24 pm : link
some news day.
Team USA could really use one of these French finishers  
Producer : 11/22/2022 3:35 pm : link
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wow 4-1 France  
Jints in Carolina : 11/22/2022 3:36 pm : link
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