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UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 7:48 am
the day is finally here!

England v. Iran @ 8am EST
Senegal v. Netherlands @11am EST
USA v. Wales @ 2pm EST
GO USA!!  
Gman11 : 11/21/2022 7:54 am : link
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They let the Iran keeper stayv in the game though clearly  
Producer : 11/21/2022 8:20 am : link
Concussed.

Then 2 minutes later he took himself out.

Big loss for Iran  
giantBCP : 11/21/2022 8:22 am : link
Having to take their goalkeeper out. He’s known to be able to throw the ball extremely far, and that can be a great weapon in a match like this where they’re outmanned.
Guinness record long throw. - ( New Window )
Bellingham  
Kevin in Annapolis : 11/21/2022 8:35 am : link
Is a stud
nice finish by Sterling  
John in Loudoun : 11/21/2022 8:48 am : link
this might get really embarrassing for Iran.
Ugly game for Iran  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 8:52 am : link
England can easily finish with a 4 or 5 goal differential on the group today. Basically locks in advancing, lol.
RE: They let the Iran keeper stayv in the game though clearly  
jomps : 11/21/2022 8:58 am : link
In comment 15916165 Producer said:
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Concussed.

Then 2 minutes later he took himself out.


That's because there isn't a concussion protocol in soccer. I don't even think it's part of the rule that the player has to be subbed out.
RE: RE: They let the Iran keeper stayv in the game though clearly  
Producer : 11/21/2022 9:05 am : link
In comment 15916202 jomps said:
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Concussed.

Then 2 minutes later he took himself out.




That's because there isn't a concussion protocol in soccer. I don't even think it's part of the rule that the player has to be subbed out.


So Fifa is a decade behind on concussions.
Hope US loses every game  
Post Time : 11/21/2022 9:17 am : link
Eff them
RE: Hope US loses every game  
John in Loudoun : 11/21/2022 9:27 am : link
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Eff them


Why exactly? This is a new generation of possibly the best young talent we've put on the pitch (2002 club was quite good). Why the hate?
RE: RE: Hope US loses every game  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 9:28 am : link
In comment 15916266 John in Loudoun said:
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Eff them



Why exactly? This is a new generation of possibly the best young talent we've put on the pitch (2002 club was quite good). Why the hate?


I can’t wait to hear the reasoning behind this.
RE: Hope US loses every game  
Mike from Ohio : 11/21/2022 9:35 am : link
In comment 15916244 Post Time said:
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Eff them


This feels like someone wanting to make a contrarian statement with no context so that people will ask about it.
RE: RE: RE: They let the Iran keeper stayv in the game though clearly  
jomps : 11/21/2022 9:46 am : link
In comment 15916208 Producer said:
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Concussed.

Then 2 minutes later he took himself out.




That's because there isn't a concussion protocol in soccer. I don't even think it's part of the rule that the player has to be subbed out.



So Fifa is a decade behind on concussions.


Just heard Iran can sub 1 more player because the keeper might've been concussed.

So what I told you is outdated, they seem to have a protocol now.

It's just that I've watched and played soccer my entire life without seeing more than 1 or 2 cases, thought this wasn't a deal in soccer.
GO USA!  
Jints in Carolina : 11/21/2022 9:50 am : link
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RE: RE: Hope US loses every game  
Post Time : 11/21/2022 9:54 am : link
In comment 15916286 Mike from Ohio said:
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Eff them



This feels like someone wanting to make a contrarian statement with no context so that people will ask about it.

You are clueless moron. Since I am not allowed to be political, I will leave it at that.
RE: RE: RE: Hope US loses every game  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 10:00 am : link
In comment 15916364 Post Time said:
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Eff them



This feels like someone wanting to make a contrarian statement with no context so that people will ask about it.


You are clueless moron. Since I am not allowed to be political, I will leave it at that.


So why bring it up? Just fuck off instead, no one wants that garbage here.
RE: Hope US loses every game  
widmerseyebrow : 11/21/2022 10:08 am : link
In comment 15916244 Post Time said:
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Eff them


08/2001? Never seen you post. Is this the oldest troll account on BBI?
RE: RE: RE: Hope US loses every game  
compton : 11/21/2022 10:38 am : link
In comment 15916364 Post Time said:
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Eff them



This feels like someone wanting to make a contrarian statement with no context so that people will ask about it.


You are clueless moron. Since I am not allowed to be political, I will leave it at that.



Lol, why did I know this had a political motive.
RE: RE: RE: Hope US loses every game  
drake88 : 11/21/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15916364 Post Time said:
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Eff them



This feels like someone wanting to make a contrarian statement with no context so that people will ask about it.


You are clueless moron. Since I am not allowed to be political, I will leave it at that.


There are plenty of other forums where you can bitch about how the US is such a horrible place. Why post this here?
RE: RE: RE: Hope US loses every game  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2022 11:03 am : link
In comment 15916364 Post Time said:
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Eff them



This feels like someone wanting to make a contrarian statement with no context so that people will ask about it.


You are clueless moron. Since I am not allowed to be political, I will leave it at that.


Go back to the Jets "Gang Green" forum
its early but good game so far  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 11:16 am : link
I like the pressure of Senegal out of the gates. They look more lively but I do expect Netherlands to settle in.
England knocked a lot of the rust and doubt off  
Producer : 11/21/2022 11:19 am : link
Nice opener by them.
Feels like a matter of when not if Netherlands gets a goal  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 11:44 am : link
Would love to see Senegal get a result here
It's unfortunate for Senegal that Mane is out  
Producer : 11/21/2022 11:47 am : link
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RE: Ugly game for Iran  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15916197 UConn4523 said:
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England can easily finish with a 4 or 5 goal differential on the group today. Basically locks in advancing, lol.


True
Not impressed so far with L'Orange  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2022 12:27 pm : link
poor in the final third. Frankly Senegal looks better IMO. Too bad they don't have Man'e, they could be pretty competitive
Serious question.  
thefan : 11/21/2022 12:37 pm : link
Who knew Wales was even a country before this schedule was announced?
RE: Not impressed so far with L'Orange  
Kevin in Annapolis : 11/21/2022 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15916763 PatersonPlank said:
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poor in the final third. Frankly Senegal looks better IMO. Too bad they don't have Man'e, they could be pretty competitive

They really have been the better team. It is too bad Mane isn't fit.
Lol  
Kevin in Annapolis : 11/21/2022 12:45 pm : link
Right after my post
RE: Lol  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2022 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15916805 Kevin in Annapolis said:
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Right after my post


Actually feel bad for Senegal, they may still get a draw though. Either way I think they go through.
How is everyone watching?  
thefan : 11/21/2022 12:52 pm : link
I am using the peacock app and its all in Spanish.
Fox  
more cowbell : 11/21/2022 1:01 pm : link
It's on fox. Looks like all games are either on fox or fs1
RE: Fox  
thefan : 11/21/2022 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15916829 more cowbell said:
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It's on fox. Looks like all games are either on fox or fs1


thanks.
Lineup  
armstead98 : 11/21/2022 1:24 pm : link
https://mobile.twitter.com/USMNT/status/1594747879368835094

Pretty much what has been rumored and speculated past 24 hours. Amazing that we can have a lineup without Gio and Aaronson, shows our depth. Bring them on as super subs.

LETS GO USA!!!!!
RE: Lineup  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15916878 armstead98 said:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/USMNT/status/1594747879368835094

Pretty much what has been rumored and speculated past 24 hours. Amazing that we can have a lineup without Gio and Aaronson, shows our depth. Bring them on as super subs.

LETS GO USA!!!!!


Never seen so many people satisfied with a GB lineup lol
RE: Serious question.  
shyster : 11/21/2022 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15916785 thefan said:
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Who knew Wales was even a country before this schedule was announced?


Serious answer. The fact that Wales competes separately doesn't make it a country as that term is usually understood.

Puerto Rico competes separately from the USA in the Olympics but it's not a country, again as usually understood.

Wiki has a discussion of the contention over labels for the UK entities, linked.

Max Weber famously defined a nation state as a collective that exercises a monopoly over the use of legitimate force within its boundaries.

Wales wouldn't qualify on that account.
wiki - ( New Window )
Need  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 1:53 pm : link
to beat Wales and Iran to advance in all likelihood.
8 hour time difference between US and Qatar?  
Jints in Carolina : 11/21/2022 2:10 pm : link
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Close one!  
Jints in Carolina : 11/21/2022 2:11 pm : link
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US looking sharp  
Producer : 11/21/2022 2:12 pm : link
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We're  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 2:13 pm : link
owning the ball, but Dest is on a yellow after a stupid foul.
Now  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 2:14 pm : link
McKennie with a stupid yellow.
As a casual soccer  
bubba0825 : 11/21/2022 2:22 pm : link
Fan and the level of corruption that fifa is known to have, how do you trust the refs are going to call a fair match?
RE: As a casual soccer  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 2:27 pm : link
In comment 15916978 bubba0825 said:
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Fan and the level of corruption that fifa is known to have, how do you trust the refs are going to call a fair match?


There’s nothing I could do about it so I generally don’t think about it.
Always a good sign  
JayBinQueens : 11/21/2022 2:30 pm : link
When you see a player telling a ref to calm down
Didn’t even play the ball  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 2:35 pm : link
no yellow, lol
RE: As a casual soccer  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15916978 bubba0825 said:
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Fan and the level of corruption that fifa is known to have, how do you trust the refs are going to call a fair match?


I don’t why they’d be in the fix. Bigger issue is this Qatari guy has been extremely inconsistent.
Woo..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/21/2022 2:37 pm : link
hoo! Way to feed that ball and bury it!
GOAL!  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 2:37 pm : link
Fantastic by Pulisic and Weah.
Tim Weah!  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/21/2022 2:37 pm : link
Channeling the old man! 1-0!

Serves Wales right for all the flopping.
That was fucking awesome  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 2:37 pm : link
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Let’s fucking go!  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 2:37 pm : link
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They look fantastico  
Producer : 11/21/2022 2:38 pm : link
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great touch by Pulisic sending Weah through  
ColHowPepper : 11/21/2022 2:39 pm : link
he made it look easy on the finish
Weah.. the son of an Italian league legend  
Producer : 11/21/2022 2:40 pm : link
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We are gonna need two to win  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 2:40 pm : link
Have a hard time believing Garreth doesn’t find the net out of nowhere. Opps will be there now as they’ll need to leave their shell at some point.

Absolute Brilliance
Clear yellow on Bale  
Producer : 11/21/2022 2:41 pm : link
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RE: great touch by Pulisic sending Weah through  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 2:42 pm : link
In comment 15917005 ColHowPepper said:
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he made it look easy on the finish


Brilliant pass and finish.

As expected, Wales is trying to beat up Pulisic...
Too  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 2:44 pm : link
much sloppy passing by the U.S.
Luckily usmnt isn't just Pulisic  
Producer : 11/21/2022 2:44 pm : link
He's probably not even the best player on the team.
seems like we've been a bit  
thefan : 11/21/2022 2:45 pm : link
careless
RE: Luckily usmnt isn't just Pulisic  
drake88 : 11/21/2022 2:48 pm : link
In comment 15917015 Producer said:
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He's probably not even the best player on the team.


who would you say is?
RE: RE: Luckily usmnt isn't just Pulisic  
Producer : 11/21/2022 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15917021 drake88 said:
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He's probably not even the best player on the team.



who would you say is?


McKennie is in the conversation. Didn't Dest have a record transfer fee for a US player? And in a year or two it may be all about Musah, already the youngest player to start a US WC game, i expect him to have a lot of interest from a top EPL club.
U,S,A, has got this match if they continue.  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 2:55 pm : link
It's theirs for the taking. They're just better than Wales. Lt's get another to put the screw to the Welsh.
RE: RE: RE: Luckily usmnt isn't just Pulisic  
wigs in nyc : 11/21/2022 3:01 pm : link
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He's probably not even the best player on the team.



who would you say is?



McKennie is in the conversation. Didn't Dest have a record transfer fee for a US player? And in a year or two it may be all about Musah, already the youngest player to start a US WC game, i expect him to have a lot of interest from a top EPL club.


Not even close. Pulisic's transfer fee from Dortmund to Chelsea was £58m. Dest's move from Ajax to Barcelona was €21m.
Dest transfer history - ( New Window )
Smart foul  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 3:12 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: Luckily usmnt isn't just Pulisic  
Producer : 11/21/2022 3:12 pm : link
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He's probably not even the best player on the team.



who would you say is?



McKennie is in the conversation. Didn't Dest have a record transfer fee for a US player? And in a year or two it may be all about Musah, already the youngest player to start a US WC game, i expect him to have a lot of interest from a top EPL club.



Not even close. Pulisic's transfer fee from Dortmund to Chelsea was £58m. Dest's move from Ajax to Barcelona was €21m. Dest transfer history - ( New Window )


Right.. i was thinking of Dest's buyout clause which was swt at a whopping 400M pounds.
Wales  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 3:13 pm : link
is a lot more aggressive to start the second half. Maybe that will create counterattack opportunities.
US...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 3:17 pm : link
with some sloppy touches and passes.
Yeh time to sub GB…make some moves  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 3:20 pm : link
Playing with fire now
Tale  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 3:21 pm : link
of two halves.
Great  
JayBinQueens : 11/21/2022 3:25 pm : link
Save!
We  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 3:25 pm : link
have a lot of difficulty doing what should be simple, including just clearing the ball from our end and making basic passes.
RE: We  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 3:31 pm : link
In comment 15917086 AcidTest said:
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have a lot of difficulty doing what should be simple, including just clearing the ball from our end and making basic passes.


We are going to have opportunities on the break because Wales is attacking so aggressively.
Pulisic down  
widmerseyebrow : 11/21/2022 3:32 pm : link
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Woooof…both teams getting a bit sloppy with Wales on the pedal  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 3:35 pm : link
I’d wager game will be decided on a fuck up
Phuq  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 3:40 pm : link
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RE: Woooof…both teams getting a bit sloppy with Wales on the pedal  
JayBinQueens : 11/21/2022 3:41 pm : link
In comment 15917114 Returning Video Tapes said:
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I’d wager game will be decided on a fuck up

Yup
So dumb  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 3:41 pm : link
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Obvious  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 3:41 pm : link
and stupid penalty. We've really been bad in the second half. Not enough possession and unable to clear the ball.
ffs  
thefan : 11/21/2022 3:42 pm : link
we came out like ass like half. we'd be down 2 if wales played like this the entire game.
Completely unnecessary  
schabadoo : 11/21/2022 3:42 pm : link
May have given away advancing right there.
Killer play...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 3:43 pm : link
Brutal...
that was a dumb challenge  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/21/2022 3:43 pm : link
Particularly since Wales has flopped all game.
Just felt that goal coming from Wales...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 3:44 pm : link
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That little kid looks ready to rip some heads off lol  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 3:44 pm : link
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Bale  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 3:44 pm : link
had his back to the goal, but again, that panic play was a function of being desperate to clear the ball.
US always plays so dumb  
illmatic : 11/21/2022 3:47 pm : link
Messing up easy passes, not being aggressive when they should be, stupid challenges. They’ve been this way for a long time now.
These European countries...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 3:48 pm : link
really have mastered the art of the flop.
This Qatari ref sucks @$$  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 3:50 pm : link
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How is there no card  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 3:50 pm : link
???
RE: These European countries...  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15917144 bw in dc said:
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really have mastered the art of the flop.


Basically.
There's  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 3:50 pm : link
a saying that fusion is the "fuel of the future, and always will be." That also seems to apply to U.S. soccer. We've been told for 25 years that the future of U.S. soccer is bright. But the team always seems to have the same problems, namely poor passing, difficulty clearing the ball, and a lack of creativity in the midfield.
The refs...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 3:50 pm : link
are just the worst.
Qatar can’t even get their refs right….what a clusterfuck this is  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 3:50 pm : link
Obvious yellow…obvious
With the way this whole world cup happened  
BH28 : 11/21/2022 3:51 pm : link
You can't assume anything is on the level
RE: These European countries...  
KDavies : 11/21/2022 3:52 pm : link
In comment 15917144 bw in dc said:
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really have mastered the art of the flop.


Apparently you don't watch the modern NBA much...
Never hated Wales  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 3:53 pm : link
now I do. They foul, hurt themselves in the process, and then milk it for all its worth.
RE: RE: These European countries...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 3:53 pm : link
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really have mastered the art of the flop.



Apparently you don't watch the modern NBA much...


Where do you think the NBA got it? ;)
I don't understand why so many people watch this garbage  
arniefez : 11/21/2022 3:53 pm : link
How popular would the NFL be if a penalty that had nothing to do with a scoring chance gave the fouled team the ball on the opposing 1 yard line?

Everything off the field about this sport is disgusting and corrupt and the games are decided by complete bullshit made up calls.

I tuned in to see an elite athletic contest and it's filled with fake injuries and flopping and a game deciding call that had nothing to do with the outcome.

Back to US football and baseball for me.
Gimmee a break  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 3:55 pm : link
ll
A  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 3:55 pm : link
lot of these players are cramping. Who was the genius that decided to schedule this game for 10 PM local time?
This is embarrassing  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 3:55 pm : link
fuck Wales
RE: This is embarrassing  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15917161 UConn4523 said:
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fuck Wales


Agreed. Mucho phuq.
We look frustrated  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 3:57 pm : link
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Way  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 3:58 pm : link
too many giveaways. And when we get the ball, we're easily dispossessed. My understanding is that we barely qualified for the WC. It shows.
Pulisic needed to watch out there.  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 3:58 pm : link
This ref is corrupt as phuq.
RE: This is embarrassing  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15917161 UConn4523 said:
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fuck Wales


It's the European way. I see it EVERY week in the EPL and La Liga.

The Bundesliga - to me - does it much less...
What  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 4:00 pm : link
the hell was Turner doing?
Acosta did the right thing  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:01 pm : link
May have indeed stopped a goal. Turner didn't need to be out that far.
Bummer  
Producer : 11/21/2022 4:01 pm : link
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whole lot of garbage from team usa.  
thefan : 11/21/2022 4:01 pm : link
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Draw made sense...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 4:02 pm : link
USA: 1
Wales/FIFA: 1
Lost a lot of respect for Wales  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/21/2022 4:02 pm : link
Flopping from the start in order to try and take advantage of the youth of the US. Ended up getting the right ref for that.

US was the better team but immaturity lost the 3 points.
RE: I don't understand why so many people watch this garbage  
Producer : 11/21/2022 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15917158 arniefez said:
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How popular would the NFL be if a penalty that had nothing to do with a scoring chance gave the fouled team the ball on the opposing 1 yard line?

Everything off the field about this sport is disgusting and corrupt and the games are decided by complete bullshit made up calls.

I tuned in to see an elite athletic contest and it's filled with fake injuries and flopping and a game deciding call that had nothing to do with the outcome.

Back to US football and baseball for me.


If you tuned in for elite soccer, you watched the wrong game. These are not elite teams.
RE: whole lot of garbage from team usa.  
djm : 11/21/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15917174 thefan said:
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Not really. Tough game.
Are all teams resseded after  
drake88 : 11/21/2022 4:05 pm : link
the group stage? Is any final possible ?
Well I feel encouraged tbh….what sucks is we get England 2nd and not  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 4:06 pm : link
3rd but I like our odds to advance on goal differential as long as we don’t get destroyed by England. Like our odds to put up more goals on Iran than Wales
Get ready for England...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 4:06 pm : link
to beat the piss out of Pulisic, too, with Dier, Stones, Maguire, Shaw, etc.

RE: Are all teams resseded after  
Producer : 11/21/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15917182 drake88 said:
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the group stage? Is any final possible ?


No
Get a result vs England  
Metnut : 11/21/2022 4:07 pm : link
and beat Iran. Advance. Huge day on Friday.
RE: I don't understand why so many people watch this garbage  
thefan : 11/21/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15917158 arniefez said:
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How popular would the NFL be if a penalty that had nothing to do with a scoring chance gave the fouled team the ball on the opposing 1 yard line?

Everything off the field about this sport is disgusting and corrupt and the games are decided by complete bullshit made up calls.

I tuned in to see an elite athletic contest and it's filled with fake injuries and flopping and a game deciding call that had nothing to do with the outcome.

Back to US football and baseball for me.


You didn't watch elite teams just now.
We  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 4:07 pm : link
had one shot on goal. We should try and take some shots from outside the penalty box where it's less crowded to at least give the opposing GK something to do. Of course, we'd actually have to put those shots on goal and not send them 10 miles over the bar as players usually do.
RE: RE: Are all teams resseded after  
drake88 : 11/21/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15917185 Producer said:
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the group stage? Is any final possible ?



No


Is Serbia-Croatia possible with the way it is set up?
RE: Are all teams resseded after  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15917182 drake88 said:
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the group stage? Is any final possible ?


What's going on drake88? Here's a pic of the bracket (top 2 in each group get through to the Round of 16):


If we're 2nd in this group and get through to the 2nd round then we play the 1st place finisher in Group D. France is the obvious favorite in that group. Whoever finishes 2nd in Group B is likely in for a monumental task in the next round.


FIFA World Cup 2022 Bracket Printable & PDF - ( New Window )
You chalk it up to immaturity across the board.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/21/2022 4:16 pm : link
The biggest Welsh fear is that the speed and energy of the US would be too much for them, and it was for a half.

Second half you could see the US was tiring and Berhalter didn't sub early enough to stem the tide and structure. Zimmerman made a stupid challenge. When you don't get the win, all the little things matter.

There does need to be some discussion of how to protect Pulisic. No one in the US squad has the protector gravitas.
RE: You chalk it up to immaturity across the board.  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15917203 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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The biggest Welsh fear is that the speed and energy of the US would be too much for them, and it was for a half.

Second half you could see the US was tiring and Berhalter didn't sub early enough to stem the tide and structure. Zimmerman made a stupid challenge. When you don't get the win, all the little things matter.

There does need to be some discussion of how to protect Pulisic. No one in the US squad has the protector gravitas.


+1
RE: RE: Are all teams resseded after  
drake88 : 11/21/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15917202 Optimus-NY said:
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the group stage? Is any final possible ?



What's going on drake88? Here's a pic of the bracket (top 2 in each group get through to the Round of 16):


If we're 2nd in this group and get through to the 2nd round then we play the 1st place finisher in Group D. France is the obvious favorite in that group. Whoever finishes 2nd in Group B is likely in for a monumental task in the next round.
FIFA World Cup 2022 Bracket Printable & PDF - ( New Window )


thanks. didn't see it set up like that.
RE: RE: RE: Are all teams resseded after  
Producer : 11/21/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15917191 drake88 said:
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the group stage? Is any final possible ?



No



Is Serbia-Croatia possible with the way it is set up?


Serbia and Croatia can meet as long as they both don't finish first in their group or both don't finish second in their group. One has to win their group and the other has to finish second.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Are all teams resseded after  
drake88 : 11/21/2022 4:20 pm : link
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the group stage? Is any final possible ?



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Is Serbia-Croatia possible with the way it is set up?



Serbia and Croatia can meet as long as they both don't finish first in their group or both don't finish second in their group. One has to win their group and the other has to finish second.


got it. thanks. still cheering for the US but wanted a backup matchup.
RE: We  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/21/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15917190 AcidTest said:
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had one shot on goal. We should try and take some shots from outside the penalty box where it's less crowded to at least give the opposing GK something to do. Of course, we'd actually have to put those shots on goal and not send them 10 miles over the bar as players usually do.


This game needed a little bit of Gio Reyna unfortunately. But without a real striker, the pieces don't seem to fit well enough.
When a Tie is a Loss  
Jeffrey : 11/21/2022 4:20 pm : link
Whether by design or not the US completely changed tactics in the second half after total domination in the first half. Put that on the coach because teams that play to protect a lead often blow the game. Some random thoughts from my chair:

Still lacking a real striker on this team. Noticed Sargent dropping too deep to get involved in the play rather than staying up top and providing a target. Wright had no impact.

Tyler Adams is by far the US best player and most consistent.

Pulisic does what he does best--attacking from wide position and creating chances and what he does poorly--terrible set pieces. Been waiting for someone else to be given a shot but seems unlikely. Terribly inconsistent officiating but Pulisic and others need to stop whining as it does not work with professional referees.

Weah is a beast on the ball but too often the attack was down the left side and he was not involved.

Left back is still a problem for the US with Dest often out of position andscrambling to get back and Yedlin not an attacking option at all.

McKennie and Musah leaving the game hurt but both must be injured.

Aaronson did not have the same impact in terms of size or strength as McKennie and Acosta is not close to the threat of Musah.

Where's Reyna?

Ream did great and Zimmerman has played long enough now to know that his unnecessary mistake--and it was a clear foul--may ultimately send the Americans home early.

This was the result that I expected but could have easily been avoided had the team not become so timid up top and in the midfield in the second half. So now it comes down to goal differential as to who loses by the least to England and who can beat Iran by the most. I am not betting on the US as their players looked totally wasted in the second half and some are injured or playing on a yellow which makes it hard to go full steam.
Disappointing result  
Sean : 11/21/2022 4:21 pm : link
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RE: When a Tie is a Loss  
thefan : 11/21/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15917216 Jeffrey said:
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Whether by design or not the US completely changed tactics in the second half after total domination in the first half. Put that on the coach because teams that play to protect a lead often blow the game. Some random thoughts from my chair:

Still lacking a real striker on this team. Noticed Sargent dropping too deep to get involved in the play rather than staying up top and providing a target. Wright had no impact.

Tyler Adams is by far the US best player and most consistent.

Pulisic does what he does best--attacking from wide position and creating chances and what he does poorly--terrible set pieces. Been waiting for someone else to be given a shot but seems unlikely. Terribly inconsistent officiating but Pulisic and others need to stop whining as it does not work with professional referees.

Weah is a beast on the ball but too often the attack was down the left side and he was not involved.

Left back is still a problem for the US with Dest often out of position andscrambling to get back and Yedlin not an attacking option at all.

McKennie and Musah leaving the game hurt but both must be injured.

Aaronson did not have the same impact in terms of size or strength as McKennie and Acosta is not close to the threat of Musah.

Where's Reyna?

Ream did great and Zimmerman has played long enough now to know that his unnecessary mistake--and it was a clear foul--may ultimately send the Americans home early.

This was the result that I expected but could have easily been avoided had the team not become so timid up top and in the midfield in the second half. So now it comes down to goal differential as to who loses by the least to England and who can beat Iran by the most. I am not betting on the US as their players looked totally wasted in the second half and some are injured or playing on a yellow which makes it hard to go full steam.


Seems to a layman here that Wales adjusted well in the second half and stopped playing not to get beat. Had Wales played like that the entire game I am not sure we could've won. I guess Wales feared the US counter in the first half?

Disappointing game, but at least we held onto a point.
Here's a more clear pic of the bracket than the one I posted above:  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:26 pm : link


Sorry about the bottom of the pic posted previously being obstructed.
RE: When a Tie is a Loss  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15917216 Jeffrey said:
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Whether by design or not the US completely changed tactics in the second half after total domination in the first half. Put that on the coach because teams that play to protect a lead often blow the game. Some random thoughts from my chair:

Still lacking a real striker on this team. Noticed Sargent dropping too deep to get involved in the play rather than staying up top and providing a target. Wright had no impact.

Tyler Adams is by far the US best player and most consistent.

Pulisic does what he does best--attacking from wide position and creating chances and what he does poorly--terrible set pieces. Been waiting for someone else to be given a shot but seems unlikely. Terribly inconsistent officiating but Pulisic and others need to stop whining as it does not work with professional referees.

Weah is a beast on the ball but too often the attack was down the left side and he was not involved.

Left back is still a problem for the US with Dest often out of position andscrambling to get back and Yedlin not an attacking option at all.

McKennie and Musah leaving the game hurt but both must be injured.

Aaronson did not have the same impact in terms of size or strength as McKennie and Acosta is not close to the threat of Musah.

Where's Reyna?

Ream did great and Zimmerman has played long enough now to know that his unnecessary mistake--and it was a clear foul--may ultimately send the Americans home early.

This was the result that I expected but could have easily been avoided had the team not become so timid up top and in the midfield in the second half. So now it comes down to goal differential as to who loses by the least to England and who can beat Iran by the most. I am not betting on the US as their players looked totally wasted in the second half and some are injured or playing on a yellow which makes it hard to go full steam.


Excellent analysis. At least one of the announcers was questioning why Reyna didn't play. I thought we'd have some counterattacking opportunities in the second half as Wales started to press forward but the lack of a real finishing striker meant that even when we did, we couldn't capitalize. We have very little on offense.
If I'm reading that bracket right,  
Metnut : 11/21/2022 4:27 pm : link
it's 1A vs 2B in the round of 16? That wouldn't be the worst group to face.
RE: If I'm reading that bracket right,  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15917230 Metnut said:
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it's 1A vs 2B in the round of 16? That wouldn't be the worst group to face.


Oops from before! That'd be correct. US can get to the Round of 16. I expect it actually, as long as these guys play like they're able.
RE: If I'm reading that bracket right,  
thefan : 11/21/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15917230 Metnut said:
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it's 1A vs 2B in the round of 16? That wouldn't be the worst group to face.


Netherlands will likely win that group and are a good team. Easily top 10 and probably top 5 team.
Pulisic needs to quit  
Gman11 : 11/21/2022 4:35 pm : link
the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
RE: Pulisic needs to quit  
rnargi : 11/21/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15917241 Gman11 said:
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the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.


To me it seemed they played for the 1 nil score and it cost them. Thoughts?
Let's do a thread each day for all the games.  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:40 pm : link
Check out the four games scheduled for tomorrow (EST):

RE: RE: Pulisic needs to quit  
Jeffrey : 11/21/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15917248 rnargi said:
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the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.



To me it seemed they played for the 1 nil score and it cost them. Thoughts?


I really don't think that the US was playing for a tie. I think they looked like a young team that was trying to protect a lead and something the coaches have to prevent. The crisp passing was completely missing to begin the second half and the US players were not putting together the combinations they did in the first half for the better part of the first 25 minutes of the second half. After that they played better but still looked tired and slow and several times the ball was just cleared out of the back rather than making an effort to play on the front foot. I am as frustrated as anyone by what I think was an unnecessary loss--I mean tie-- but it is not shocking given the youth of this team.

The problem now is that England is an entirely different type of animal than Wales and the US will have to play a more defensive game. If they beat the US, England could and should likely rest many of their star players in the Wales match to be fresh for the next round. This will give Wales an advantage in the goal differential battle that appears likely unless Iran can pull a stunner. Iran is ranked 20th and Wales 19th so anything is possible in what will be a home game for Iran. However, that will require an entirely different Iran to show up than we saw today.
RE: RE: RE: Pulisic needs to quit  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2022 4:58 pm : link
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the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.



To me it seemed they played for the 1 nil score and it cost them. Thoughts?



I really don't think that the US was playing for a tie. I think they looked like a young team that was trying to protect a lead and something the coaches have to prevent. The crisp passing was completely missing to begin the second half and the US players were not putting together the combinations they did in the first half for the better part of the first 25 minutes of the second half. After that they played better but still looked tired and slow and several times the ball was just cleared out of the back rather than making an effort to play on the front foot. I am as frustrated as anyone by what I think was an unnecessary loss--I mean tie-- but it is not shocking given the youth of this team.

The problem now is that England is an entirely different type of animal than Wales and the US will have to play a more defensive game. If they beat the US, England could and should likely rest many of their star players in the Wales match to be fresh for the next round. This will give Wales an advantage in the goal differential battle that appears likely unless Iran can pull a stunner. Iran is ranked 20th and Wales 19th so anything is possible in what will be a home game for Iran. However, that will require an entirely different Iran to show up than we saw today.


"If they beat the US, England could and should likely rest many of their star players in the Wales match to be fresh for the next round."

Combine this with the fact that Wales are sort of "bretheren" to England, and this could be a bad scenario. England resting players and not being to upset with a Wales draw, is a bad place for the US to be.
The positives going forward  
Jerry in_DC : 11/21/2022 5:01 pm : link
- We have some game. We made Wales look pathetic in the 1st half.
- Wales don't look like they have a ton of goals in them. I don't see them lighting up Iran
- England is not laying down for Wales. Even if they play all their subs, they are going to go super hard

Despite all that, massive disappointment in the 2nd half. We just needed to control the ball and not make a mistake on D. Couldn't do that to see it out. We definitely got nervous/tired, which is to be expected from a young team, but massively frustrating nonetheless. We were real close to having a huge advantage. Now it's a complete dogfight.

This is a different US team though. It's not the standard blood, guts, and set pieces. In fact our set pieces on both ends kind of suck. This team can really play.
If anybody thinks  
Jerry in_DC : 11/21/2022 5:02 pm : link
England is rolling over for Wales, they have never met an English or Welsh person.
RE: The positives going forward  
Jeffrey : 11/21/2022 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15917268 Jerry in_DC said:
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- We have some game. We made Wales look pathetic in the 1st half.
- Wales don't look like they have a ton of goals in them. I don't see them lighting up Iran
- England is not laying down for Wales. Even if they play all their subs, they are going to go super hard

Despite all that, massive disappointment in the 2nd half. We just needed to control the ball and not make a mistake on D. Couldn't do that to see it out. We definitely got nervous/tired, which is to be expected from a young team, but massively frustrating nonetheless. We were real close to having a huge advantage. Now it's a complete dogfight.

This is a different US team though. It's not the standard blood, guts, and set pieces. In fact our set pieces on both ends kind of suck. This team can really play.


To be clear I do not expect England to lay down for Wales, but it would be coaching malpractice (something Southgate is capable of) for England not to rest their stars if they have already clinched the first position after the US game. Realistically this young and talented US squad is here to advance to the next round and gain valuable experience. England is here to win the World Cup.
Several observations  
Rick in Dallas : 11/21/2022 5:36 pm : link
Dest was played out of position.
Pulisic was terrible on set piece deliveries which use to be a USMNT strength.
Tyler Adams played a terrific game as did Robinson.
We stopped attacking in second half. Tried to counter attack Wales.
When was the last time we had a true striker. Has been a weakness for years
Is Reyna injured?
Stupid penalty by Zimmerman on Bales with his back to the goal. Just needed to stand him up.
Truth be told we were lucky to get a draw. Moore should have buried that header.
England is going to dominate us in the midfield Friday
Iran could beat or tie Wales, over 50% on betting sites  
schabadoo : 11/21/2022 6:37 pm : link
England's subs, from what I've heard, are not much of a dropoff.

That's the optimistic take.
As poorly as we played in the second half, the result  
CT Charlie : 11/21/2022 7:11 pm : link
came down to one ugly blunder, the kind of foul that a high school player shouldn't make. Bale is a phenomenal player, but unlike other world-class strikers, he's not much of a threat to work magic with his back to the goal.

If we'd been offered a draw before the match, though, I'd have accepted it.
RE: Draw made sense...  
jomps : 11/21/2022 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15917176 bw in dc said:
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USA: 1
Wales/FIFA: 1


Why FIFA?
RE: RE: Pulisic needs to quit  
jomps : 11/21/2022 8:14 pm : link
In comment 15917248 rnargi said:
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the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.



To me it seemed they played for the 1 nil score and it cost them. Thoughts?


I agree, USA looked much better than Wales in the 1st half, but seemed to decide 1-0 was enough and thought their best chance was to hold on to the result, this was a game that if they won they're likely in the playoffs.

England likely beats everyone and 2nd place could be had with 4 points and best goal differential.
Who’s up early  
giantBCP : 11/22/2022 6:18 am : link
and watching this potential upset?
RE: Who’s up early  
jomps : 11/22/2022 6:31 am : link
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and watching this potential upset?


This result would be a dream come true to me.
RE: Who’s up early  
Optimus-NY : 11/22/2022 6:41 am : link
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and watching this potential upset?


Me, lol.
Terrible header from Messi  
giantBCP : 11/22/2022 6:53 am : link
from point blank range.
That didn’t look good at all.  
giantBCP : 11/22/2022 7:00 am : link
It’s been a while since I’ve seen a player get KOed like that.
That final save by the Saudis  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2022 7:19 am : link
wasn’t the most difficult but couldn’t be any bigger. First big upset of the tourney.
I..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 11/22/2022 8:36 am : link
don't think this is true, Optimus:

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If we're 2nd in this group and get through to the 2nd round then we play the 1st place finisher in Group D. France is the obvious favorite in that group. Whoever finishes 2nd in Group B is likely in for a monumental task in the next round.


If we get through as the 2nd place team, we would play the 1st place team from Group A, and the winner of that match would play the winner of the 1C - 2D match. At least that's how the brackets are usually done and I don't think there's been a change. The winner of the D group (if France), would play the 2nd place team from Group C
Tunisia taking it to Denmark right now  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/22/2022 8:45 am : link
Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be 2002 all over again with a bunch of upsets?
Incredible upset.  
Producer : 11/22/2022 8:45 am : link
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RE: Tunisia taking it to Denmark right now  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2022 8:56 am : link
In comment 15917689 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be 2002 all over again with a bunch of upsets?


I hope so. Always fun to see the juggernauts go down.
USMNT second half v. Wales  
ColHowPepper : 11/22/2022 8:58 am : link
I didn't see it as switching tactics in the 2nd half; from minute 45 until ~ 70, the game looked to me much the same, except US was wearing down, it had played an energetic balls to the wall 1st, and we had no answers for Moore and height in the area.

As we tired, the missed touches you saw in the 1st became more prevalent, there were so many potential services into the area that were just a bit off and/or were outright missed by their targets, frustrating. Wales played patiently and began to prevail in midfield as the 2nd half wore on.

Musah, Dest, and Sargent (?) were subbed, I didn't like the play of the men off the bench at all, clear decline in play.

As said by many, set pieces were anemic and they need better deliveries. Which brings me to Pulisic: he is highly skilled, but I thought he had a poor game, his wonderful redirection to Weah notwithstanding. I thought his decision making was poor, crossing when he could have sent or run deeper and taking on two defenders when he should have crossed. His whining, as well as his very obvious flops trying to draw calls, stood out for what they were, not good looks.

The penalty, good gosh, guess Z was just overtaken by the moment, he must cringe now every time he has to see a replay.
What a save by Ochoa  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2022 12:17 pm : link
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Wish we had this ref  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2022 12:26 pm : link
he’s letting them play and isn’t calling every single 50/50 tackle.
RE: Tunisia taking it to Denmark right now  
Producer : 11/22/2022 12:29 pm : link
In comment 15917689 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Why do I get the feeling that this is going to be 2002 all over again with a bunch of upsets?


My feelings too.
Don't know where to put this but Ronaldo is gone from United  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/22/2022 1:07 pm : link
Mutual termination aka we pay you to go away and don't let the door knob hit you on the way out.

Another milestone of how awful the Glazers (and Ed Woodward) have botched the last decade.
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RE: What a save by Ochoa  
ColHowPepper : 11/22/2022 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15918050 UConn4523 said:
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By and large, the populations of Mexico and Central America are smallish by NA and northern hemisphere standards. Yet, in a sport and at a position where height and length are highly valued, Mexico and Costa Rica have two of the best keepers in the world and maybe the shortest in this WC. Love their heart and quickness and understanding of the game.
RE: Don't know where to put this but Ronaldo is gone from United  
ColHowPepper : 11/22/2022 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15918125 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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Mutual termination aka we pay you to go away and don't let the door knob hit you on the way out.

Another milestone of how awful the Glazers (and Ed Woodward) have botched the last decade. Link - ( New Window )

They have and the cynics in UK about their ownership have many good reasons to be appalled and outraged. But, BHE, on the merits of Ronaldo the player, don't you see his as a shell of his former ability?
RE: RE: Don't know where to put this but Ronaldo is gone from United  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/22/2022 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15918209 ColHowPepper said:
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Mutual termination aka we pay you to go away and don't let the door knob hit you on the way out.

Another milestone of how awful the Glazers (and Ed Woodward) have botched the last decade. Link - ( New Window )


They have and the cynics in UK about their ownership have many good reasons to be appalled and outraged. But, BHE, on the merits of Ronaldo the player, don't you see his as a shell of his former ability?


He scored 20+ goals last year. The key here is he doesn't fit into a modern system and was a poor fit from the beginning. He's a poacher that doesn't press. Cavani was a much better fit for the Ten Hag system and the club drove him out when they signed Ronaldo.

Ronaldo should finish his career where it started at Sporting.
great equalizer for France  
UConn4523 : 11/22/2022 2:27 pm : link
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2-1 France  
Jints in Carolina : 11/22/2022 2:36 pm : link
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France plays better with Giroud  
giantBCP : 11/22/2022 2:39 pm : link
Deschamps should have never let Benzema back in the team to begin with.
Ronaldo back to united was such a bad call for them...  
Italianju : 11/22/2022 2:43 pm : link
he didnt fit the team at all. Def has stunted the trajectory of Fernandez. Ever since Ronaldo has got there Bruno has looked like a completely different player.

Time for Ronaldo to do his MLS tour. How badly will Apple push for that to happen, lol.
Ronaldo  
giantBCP : 11/22/2022 2:53 pm : link
was looking washed up during his third and final season at Juventus. They were fortunate to be able o ship him out when they did.
Now the Glazers exploring a sale  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/22/2022 3:24 pm : link
some news day.
Team USA could really use one of these French finishers  
Producer : 11/22/2022 3:35 pm : link
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wow 4-1 France  
Jints in Carolina : 11/22/2022 3:36 pm : link
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