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UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 7:48 am
the day is finally here!

England v. Iran @ 8am EST
Senegal v. Netherlands @11am EST
USA v. Wales @ 2pm EST
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Gimmee a break  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 3:55 pm : link
ll
A  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 3:55 pm : link
lot of these players are cramping. Who was the genius that decided to schedule this game for 10 PM local time?
This is embarrassing  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 3:55 pm : link
fuck Wales
RE: This is embarrassing  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15917161 UConn4523 said:
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fuck Wales


Agreed. Mucho phuq.
We look frustrated  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 3:57 pm : link
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Way  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 3:58 pm : link
too many giveaways. And when we get the ball, we're easily dispossessed. My understanding is that we barely qualified for the WC. It shows.
Pulisic needed to watch out there.  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 3:58 pm : link
This ref is corrupt as phuq.
RE: This is embarrassing  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 3:59 pm : link
In comment 15917161 UConn4523 said:
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fuck Wales


It's the European way. I see it EVERY week in the EPL and La Liga.

The Bundesliga - to me - does it much less...
What  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 4:00 pm : link
the hell was Turner doing?
Acosta did the right thing  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:01 pm : link
May have indeed stopped a goal. Turner didn't need to be out that far.
Bummer  
Producer : 11/21/2022 4:01 pm : link
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whole lot of garbage from team usa.  
thefan : 11/21/2022 4:01 pm : link
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Draw made sense...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 4:02 pm : link
USA: 1
Wales/FIFA: 1
Lost a lot of respect for Wales  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/21/2022 4:02 pm : link
Flopping from the start in order to try and take advantage of the youth of the US. Ended up getting the right ref for that.

US was the better team but immaturity lost the 3 points.
RE: I don't understand why so many people watch this garbage  
Producer : 11/21/2022 4:03 pm : link
In comment 15917158 arniefez said:
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How popular would the NFL be if a penalty that had nothing to do with a scoring chance gave the fouled team the ball on the opposing 1 yard line?

Everything off the field about this sport is disgusting and corrupt and the games are decided by complete bullshit made up calls.

I tuned in to see an elite athletic contest and it's filled with fake injuries and flopping and a game deciding call that had nothing to do with the outcome.

Back to US football and baseball for me.


If you tuned in for elite soccer, you watched the wrong game. These are not elite teams.
RE: whole lot of garbage from team usa.  
djm : 11/21/2022 4:05 pm : link
In comment 15917174 thefan said:
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Not really. Tough game.
Are all teams resseded after  
drake88 : 11/21/2022 4:05 pm : link
the group stage? Is any final possible ?
Well I feel encouraged tbh….what sucks is we get England 2nd and not  
Returning Video Tapes : 11/21/2022 4:06 pm : link
3rd but I like our odds to advance on goal differential as long as we don’t get destroyed by England. Like our odds to put up more goals on Iran than Wales
Get ready for England...  
bw in dc : 11/21/2022 4:06 pm : link
to beat the piss out of Pulisic, too, with Dier, Stones, Maguire, Shaw, etc.

RE: Are all teams resseded after  
Producer : 11/21/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15917182 drake88 said:
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the group stage? Is any final possible ?


No
Get a result vs England  
Metnut : 11/21/2022 4:07 pm : link
and beat Iran. Advance. Huge day on Friday.
RE: I don't understand why so many people watch this garbage  
thefan : 11/21/2022 4:07 pm : link
In comment 15917158 arniefez said:
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How popular would the NFL be if a penalty that had nothing to do with a scoring chance gave the fouled team the ball on the opposing 1 yard line?

Everything off the field about this sport is disgusting and corrupt and the games are decided by complete bullshit made up calls.

I tuned in to see an elite athletic contest and it's filled with fake injuries and flopping and a game deciding call that had nothing to do with the outcome.

Back to US football and baseball for me.


You didn't watch elite teams just now.
We  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 4:07 pm : link
had one shot on goal. We should try and take some shots from outside the penalty box where it's less crowded to at least give the opposing GK something to do. Of course, we'd actually have to put those shots on goal and not send them 10 miles over the bar as players usually do.
RE: RE: Are all teams resseded after  
drake88 : 11/21/2022 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15917185 Producer said:
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In comment 15917182 drake88 said:


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the group stage? Is any final possible ?



No


Is Serbia-Croatia possible with the way it is set up?
RE: Are all teams resseded after  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15917182 drake88 said:
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the group stage? Is any final possible ?


What's going on drake88? Here's a pic of the bracket (top 2 in each group get through to the Round of 16):


If we're 2nd in this group and get through to the 2nd round then we play the 1st place finisher in Group D. France is the obvious favorite in that group. Whoever finishes 2nd in Group B is likely in for a monumental task in the next round.


FIFA World Cup 2022 Bracket Printable & PDF - ( New Window )
You chalk it up to immaturity across the board.  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/21/2022 4:16 pm : link
The biggest Welsh fear is that the speed and energy of the US would be too much for them, and it was for a half.

Second half you could see the US was tiring and Berhalter didn't sub early enough to stem the tide and structure. Zimmerman made a stupid challenge. When you don't get the win, all the little things matter.

There does need to be some discussion of how to protect Pulisic. No one in the US squad has the protector gravitas.
RE: You chalk it up to immaturity across the board.  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15917203 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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The biggest Welsh fear is that the speed and energy of the US would be too much for them, and it was for a half.

Second half you could see the US was tiring and Berhalter didn't sub early enough to stem the tide and structure. Zimmerman made a stupid challenge. When you don't get the win, all the little things matter.

There does need to be some discussion of how to protect Pulisic. No one in the US squad has the protector gravitas.


+1
RE: RE: Are all teams resseded after  
drake88 : 11/21/2022 4:18 pm : link
In comment 15917202 Optimus-NY said:
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the group stage? Is any final possible ?



What's going on drake88? Here's a pic of the bracket (top 2 in each group get through to the Round of 16):


If we're 2nd in this group and get through to the 2nd round then we play the 1st place finisher in Group D. France is the obvious favorite in that group. Whoever finishes 2nd in Group B is likely in for a monumental task in the next round.
FIFA World Cup 2022 Bracket Printable & PDF - ( New Window )


thanks. didn't see it set up like that.
RE: RE: RE: Are all teams resseded after  
Producer : 11/21/2022 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15917191 drake88 said:
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In comment 15917185 Producer said:


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the group stage? Is any final possible ?



No



Is Serbia-Croatia possible with the way it is set up?


Serbia and Croatia can meet as long as they both don't finish first in their group or both don't finish second in their group. One has to win their group and the other has to finish second.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Are all teams resseded after  
drake88 : 11/21/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15917210 Producer said:
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In comment 15917185 Producer said:


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the group stage? Is any final possible ?



No



Is Serbia-Croatia possible with the way it is set up?



Serbia and Croatia can meet as long as they both don't finish first in their group or both don't finish second in their group. One has to win their group and the other has to finish second.


got it. thanks. still cheering for the US but wanted a backup matchup.
RE: We  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 11/21/2022 4:20 pm : link
In comment 15917190 AcidTest said:
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had one shot on goal. We should try and take some shots from outside the penalty box where it's less crowded to at least give the opposing GK something to do. Of course, we'd actually have to put those shots on goal and not send them 10 miles over the bar as players usually do.


This game needed a little bit of Gio Reyna unfortunately. But without a real striker, the pieces don't seem to fit well enough.
When a Tie is a Loss  
Jeffrey : 11/21/2022 4:20 pm : link
Whether by design or not the US completely changed tactics in the second half after total domination in the first half. Put that on the coach because teams that play to protect a lead often blow the game. Some random thoughts from my chair:

Still lacking a real striker on this team. Noticed Sargent dropping too deep to get involved in the play rather than staying up top and providing a target. Wright had no impact.

Tyler Adams is by far the US best player and most consistent.

Pulisic does what he does best--attacking from wide position and creating chances and what he does poorly--terrible set pieces. Been waiting for someone else to be given a shot but seems unlikely. Terribly inconsistent officiating but Pulisic and others need to stop whining as it does not work with professional referees.

Weah is a beast on the ball but too often the attack was down the left side and he was not involved.

Left back is still a problem for the US with Dest often out of position andscrambling to get back and Yedlin not an attacking option at all.

McKennie and Musah leaving the game hurt but both must be injured.

Aaronson did not have the same impact in terms of size or strength as McKennie and Acosta is not close to the threat of Musah.

Where's Reyna?

Ream did great and Zimmerman has played long enough now to know that his unnecessary mistake--and it was a clear foul--may ultimately send the Americans home early.

This was the result that I expected but could have easily been avoided had the team not become so timid up top and in the midfield in the second half. So now it comes down to goal differential as to who loses by the least to England and who can beat Iran by the most. I am not betting on the US as their players looked totally wasted in the second half and some are injured or playing on a yellow which makes it hard to go full steam.
Disappointing result  
Sean : 11/21/2022 4:21 pm : link
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RE: When a Tie is a Loss  
thefan : 11/21/2022 4:25 pm : link
In comment 15917216 Jeffrey said:
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Whether by design or not the US completely changed tactics in the second half after total domination in the first half. Put that on the coach because teams that play to protect a lead often blow the game. Some random thoughts from my chair:

Still lacking a real striker on this team. Noticed Sargent dropping too deep to get involved in the play rather than staying up top and providing a target. Wright had no impact.

Tyler Adams is by far the US best player and most consistent.

Pulisic does what he does best--attacking from wide position and creating chances and what he does poorly--terrible set pieces. Been waiting for someone else to be given a shot but seems unlikely. Terribly inconsistent officiating but Pulisic and others need to stop whining as it does not work with professional referees.

Weah is a beast on the ball but too often the attack was down the left side and he was not involved.

Left back is still a problem for the US with Dest often out of position andscrambling to get back and Yedlin not an attacking option at all.

McKennie and Musah leaving the game hurt but both must be injured.

Aaronson did not have the same impact in terms of size or strength as McKennie and Acosta is not close to the threat of Musah.

Where's Reyna?

Ream did great and Zimmerman has played long enough now to know that his unnecessary mistake--and it was a clear foul--may ultimately send the Americans home early.

This was the result that I expected but could have easily been avoided had the team not become so timid up top and in the midfield in the second half. So now it comes down to goal differential as to who loses by the least to England and who can beat Iran by the most. I am not betting on the US as their players looked totally wasted in the second half and some are injured or playing on a yellow which makes it hard to go full steam.


Seems to a layman here that Wales adjusted well in the second half and stopped playing not to get beat. Had Wales played like that the entire game I am not sure we could've won. I guess Wales feared the US counter in the first half?

Disappointing game, but at least we held onto a point.
Here's a more clear pic of the bracket than the one I posted above:  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:26 pm : link


Sorry about the bottom of the pic posted previously being obstructed.
RE: When a Tie is a Loss  
AcidTest : 11/21/2022 4:26 pm : link
In comment 15917216 Jeffrey said:
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Whether by design or not the US completely changed tactics in the second half after total domination in the first half. Put that on the coach because teams that play to protect a lead often blow the game. Some random thoughts from my chair:

Still lacking a real striker on this team. Noticed Sargent dropping too deep to get involved in the play rather than staying up top and providing a target. Wright had no impact.

Tyler Adams is by far the US best player and most consistent.

Pulisic does what he does best--attacking from wide position and creating chances and what he does poorly--terrible set pieces. Been waiting for someone else to be given a shot but seems unlikely. Terribly inconsistent officiating but Pulisic and others need to stop whining as it does not work with professional referees.

Weah is a beast on the ball but too often the attack was down the left side and he was not involved.

Left back is still a problem for the US with Dest often out of position andscrambling to get back and Yedlin not an attacking option at all.

McKennie and Musah leaving the game hurt but both must be injured.

Aaronson did not have the same impact in terms of size or strength as McKennie and Acosta is not close to the threat of Musah.

Where's Reyna?

Ream did great and Zimmerman has played long enough now to know that his unnecessary mistake--and it was a clear foul--may ultimately send the Americans home early.

This was the result that I expected but could have easily been avoided had the team not become so timid up top and in the midfield in the second half. So now it comes down to goal differential as to who loses by the least to England and who can beat Iran by the most. I am not betting on the US as their players looked totally wasted in the second half and some are injured or playing on a yellow which makes it hard to go full steam.


Excellent analysis. At least one of the announcers was questioning why Reyna didn't play. I thought we'd have some counterattacking opportunities in the second half as Wales started to press forward but the lack of a real finishing striker meant that even when we did, we couldn't capitalize. We have very little on offense.
If I'm reading that bracket right,  
Metnut : 11/21/2022 4:27 pm : link
it's 1A vs 2B in the round of 16? That wouldn't be the worst group to face.
RE: If I'm reading that bracket right,  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15917230 Metnut said:
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it's 1A vs 2B in the round of 16? That wouldn't be the worst group to face.


Oops from before! That'd be correct. US can get to the Round of 16. I expect it actually, as long as these guys play like they're able.
RE: If I'm reading that bracket right,  
thefan : 11/21/2022 4:29 pm : link
In comment 15917230 Metnut said:
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it's 1A vs 2B in the round of 16? That wouldn't be the worst group to face.


Netherlands will likely win that group and are a good team. Easily top 10 and probably top 5 team.
Pulisic needs to quit  
Gman11 : 11/21/2022 4:35 pm : link
the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
RE: Pulisic needs to quit  
rnargi : 11/21/2022 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15917241 Gman11 said:
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the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.


To me it seemed they played for the 1 nil score and it cost them. Thoughts?
Let's do a thread each day for all the games.  
Optimus-NY : 11/21/2022 4:40 pm : link
Check out the four games scheduled for tomorrow (EST):

RE: RE: Pulisic needs to quit  
Jeffrey : 11/21/2022 4:53 pm : link
In comment 15917248 rnargi said:
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In comment 15917241 Gman11 said:


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the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.



To me it seemed they played for the 1 nil score and it cost them. Thoughts?


I really don't think that the US was playing for a tie. I think they looked like a young team that was trying to protect a lead and something the coaches have to prevent. The crisp passing was completely missing to begin the second half and the US players were not putting together the combinations they did in the first half for the better part of the first 25 minutes of the second half. After that they played better but still looked tired and slow and several times the ball was just cleared out of the back rather than making an effort to play on the front foot. I am as frustrated as anyone by what I think was an unnecessary loss--I mean tie-- but it is not shocking given the youth of this team.

The problem now is that England is an entirely different type of animal than Wales and the US will have to play a more defensive game. If they beat the US, England could and should likely rest many of their star players in the Wales match to be fresh for the next round. This will give Wales an advantage in the goal differential battle that appears likely unless Iran can pull a stunner. Iran is ranked 20th and Wales 19th so anything is possible in what will be a home game for Iran. However, that will require an entirely different Iran to show up than we saw today.
RE: RE: RE: Pulisic needs to quit  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2022 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15917261 Jeffrey said:
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In comment 15917248 rnargi said:


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In comment 15917241 Gman11 said:


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the crying act every time he's touched. Geez, even I was getting tired of it.

I thought the ref was a bit too quick with the yellow cards, but if that's what's needed to try to keep control of the game it's not so bad.

US should not have let Wales back in the game. Friday is a big step up in class. Be afraid. Be very afraid.



To me it seemed they played for the 1 nil score and it cost them. Thoughts?



I really don't think that the US was playing for a tie. I think they looked like a young team that was trying to protect a lead and something the coaches have to prevent. The crisp passing was completely missing to begin the second half and the US players were not putting together the combinations they did in the first half for the better part of the first 25 minutes of the second half. After that they played better but still looked tired and slow and several times the ball was just cleared out of the back rather than making an effort to play on the front foot. I am as frustrated as anyone by what I think was an unnecessary loss--I mean tie-- but it is not shocking given the youth of this team.

The problem now is that England is an entirely different type of animal than Wales and the US will have to play a more defensive game. If they beat the US, England could and should likely rest many of their star players in the Wales match to be fresh for the next round. This will give Wales an advantage in the goal differential battle that appears likely unless Iran can pull a stunner. Iran is ranked 20th and Wales 19th so anything is possible in what will be a home game for Iran. However, that will require an entirely different Iran to show up than we saw today.


"If they beat the US, England could and should likely rest many of their star players in the Wales match to be fresh for the next round."

Combine this with the fact that Wales are sort of "bretheren" to England, and this could be a bad scenario. England resting players and not being to upset with a Wales draw, is a bad place for the US to be.
The positives going forward  
Jerry in_DC : 11/21/2022 5:01 pm : link
- We have some game. We made Wales look pathetic in the 1st half.
- Wales don't look like they have a ton of goals in them. I don't see them lighting up Iran
- England is not laying down for Wales. Even if they play all their subs, they are going to go super hard

Despite all that, massive disappointment in the 2nd half. We just needed to control the ball and not make a mistake on D. Couldn't do that to see it out. We definitely got nervous/tired, which is to be expected from a young team, but massively frustrating nonetheless. We were real close to having a huge advantage. Now it's a complete dogfight.

This is a different US team though. It's not the standard blood, guts, and set pieces. In fact our set pieces on both ends kind of suck. This team can really play.
If anybody thinks  
Jerry in_DC : 11/21/2022 5:02 pm : link
England is rolling over for Wales, they have never met an English or Welsh person.
RE: The positives going forward  
Jeffrey : 11/21/2022 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15917268 Jerry in_DC said:
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- We have some game. We made Wales look pathetic in the 1st half.
- Wales don't look like they have a ton of goals in them. I don't see them lighting up Iran
- England is not laying down for Wales. Even if they play all their subs, they are going to go super hard

Despite all that, massive disappointment in the 2nd half. We just needed to control the ball and not make a mistake on D. Couldn't do that to see it out. We definitely got nervous/tired, which is to be expected from a young team, but massively frustrating nonetheless. We were real close to having a huge advantage. Now it's a complete dogfight.

This is a different US team though. It's not the standard blood, guts, and set pieces. In fact our set pieces on both ends kind of suck. This team can really play.


To be clear I do not expect England to lay down for Wales, but it would be coaching malpractice (something Southgate is capable of) for England not to rest their stars if they have already clinched the first position after the US game. Realistically this young and talented US squad is here to advance to the next round and gain valuable experience. England is here to win the World Cup.
Several observations  
Rick in Dallas : 11/21/2022 5:36 pm : link
Dest was played out of position.
Pulisic was terrible on set piece deliveries which use to be a USMNT strength.
Tyler Adams played a terrific game as did Robinson.
We stopped attacking in second half. Tried to counter attack Wales.
When was the last time we had a true striker. Has been a weakness for years
Is Reyna injured?
Stupid penalty by Zimmerman on Bales with his back to the goal. Just needed to stand him up.
Truth be told we were lucky to get a draw. Moore should have buried that header.
England is going to dominate us in the midfield Friday
Iran could beat or tie Wales, over 50% on betting sites  
schabadoo : 11/21/2022 6:37 pm : link
England's subs, from what I've heard, are not much of a dropoff.

That's the optimistic take.
As poorly as we played in the second half, the result  
CT Charlie : 11/21/2022 7:11 pm : link
came down to one ugly blunder, the kind of foul that a high school player shouldn't make. Bale is a phenomenal player, but unlike other world-class strikers, he's not much of a threat to work magic with his back to the goal.

If we'd been offered a draw before the match, though, I'd have accepted it.
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