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Offensive Play Calling

BillyM : 11/21/2022 9:12 am
Throughout the early part of the year, I felt like Daboll and Kafka were throwing caution to the wind, with regard to their offensive play calling.

Now sure, we are very limited at the wide out spot. That said, we were equally limited in the early part of the season.

I wouldn't necessarily say we are play calling "not to lose" but I will note it feels far more conservative as our season developed into a "winning record." As if the first hint of pressure and expectation mounted on Daboll's shoulders.

I'd like to see more designed roll outs. I'd like Barkley far more involved in the short passing game, with an occasional wheel route.

I think our only shot to hang with the Cowboys offense is for Jones to be heavily involved in the running attack. By design. Few things give strong defenses fits more than a QB that runs through his progressions, and takes off. I'm sure Dallas will have Parsons mirroring him all day, which sucks, because that dude is a monster.

All said, Kakfa and Daboll should get back to their early season ways. Throw all caution to the wind. This is a rebuild. Go out there and mix up the entire playbook. We really have nothing to lose, as long as we do it smart and not risk players' health (uhum, Adoree Jackson).


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CoughlinHandsonHips : 11/21/2022 9:31 am : link
The WRs, OL, and TEs are completely patch work
I thought these were an interesting tweets from Banks  
ajr2456 : 11/21/2022 9:40 am : link
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IMO for what its worth.. the #Giants run game would have been drastically more effective if Jones would have puld and kept the RPO's more in the earlier parts of the game. They didn't honor the threat all day and when he pulled and ran it was positive


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That is a great question that wasn't asked in the post game. I brought it up to @JordanRaanan . we should find out if it was a coaching point or qb decision? Either way it was an adjustment that should've been made
totally agree  
jomanc : 11/21/2022 10:37 am : link
that we have gone away from play calling that kept the defense off balance,and is much more conservative and predictable. If this keeps up it might be time for a change in who is calling it.
Seemed like every 1st down was a handoff to Barkley  
David B. : 11/21/2022 10:40 am : link
At least in the first half. And everyone on the planet knew it was coming. And as Charlotte Carrol's article mentioned today, the OL was: Andrew Thomas at left tackle, (Lemieux, then) an injured second-string left guard, a second-string center, Mark Glowinski and a third-string right tackle. Maybe not the best day to run on EVERY first down? By the time they pulled Lemieux, the damage was done.

ALSO -- the whole last minute of the first half was a FUCKING MESS of bad play calling and bad decisions. Given how badly everything had gone, they would have been better served to just run the clock out, or run and punt again if necessary, then regroup at halftime. Instead they flirted with turning the ball over deep in their own zone. To me, that was the second stupidest thing I saw -- the first being Jackson fielding punts.😵

This was the first game this year where I felt the Giants got out-coached.

RE: Seemed like every 1st down was a handoff to Barkley  
BigBlue7 : 11/21/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15916497 David B. said:
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At least in the first half. And everyone on the planet knew it was coming. And as Charlotte Carrol's article mentioned today, the OL was: Andrew Thomas at left tackle, (Lemieux, then) an injured second-string left guard, a second-string center, Mark Glowinski and a third-string right tackle. Maybe not the best day to run on EVERY first down? By the time they pulled Lemieux, the damage was done.

ALSO -- the whole last minute of the first half was a FUCKING MESS of bad play calling and bad decisions. Given how badly everything had gone, they would have been better served to just run the clock out, or run and punt again if necessary, then regroup at halftime. Instead they flirted with turning the ball over deep in their own zone. To me, that was the second stupidest thing I saw -- the first being Jackson fielding punts.😵

This was the first game this year where I felt the Giants got out-coached.


It is easy to say they should do something different when the original idea isn't working.

But please tell me how passing the ball, given the state of our OL, WRS, TEs and even our QB to a degree, is definitely the better option?
RE: totally agree  
k2tampa : 11/21/2022 10:42 am : link
In comment 15916483 jomanc said:
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that we have gone away from play calling that kept the defense off balance,and is much more conservative and predictable. If this keeps up it might be time for a change in who is calling it.


When teams are selling out to stop Barkley early in games would love to see some first down play action on the first series or two (why not the first play even) to loosen them up.
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David B. : 11/21/2022 11:52 am : link
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But please tell me how passing the ball, given the state of our OL, WRS, TEs and even our QB to a degree, is definitely the better option?


Really?

You have to mix it up a bit. Regardless of the state of the personnel. That's Football 101. When you're getting stuffed running (and every opponent will be trying to stop Barkley), you'll have to pass it anyway. And the Giants were. But doing so on obvious passing downs reduces your chances of success. And if the run ain't working, you're creating a lot of 3rd and longs. Again, this concept couldn't be more basic.

Sure, if you're a POWER running team with an OL that can impose its will at the LOS to the point where the D knows you're running and cannot stop it, you can be a little more predictable. But the Giants are NOT that team, and they won't be until they significantly upgrade the talent on the interior OL. Until then, they need to mix it up, and not be so damned predictable.

I don't know whether it was on Kafka, or whether these were RPOs where Jones might have kept the ball, but didn't. The point is, every team is going to look at what Seattle did (take away Barkley, and try to take away Jones running), and do some version of that until the Giant find a way to beat it. And beating it gets harder with the increasing injuries every week. But running every first down (and a lot of 2nd down) is NOT the answer.
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