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Smoke and mirrors

Blackmax00 : 11/21/2022 10:10 am
That's all this team has been. Creative plays, good execution of said plays and guys buying in. To be honest I am not even mad or bummed out. I am happy like all of you that they won 7 games. Way ahead of where they were projected to be. But who were they realistically going to beat the brakes of off? Detroit isn't bad. They've been bad but they have talent. Something the Giants lack all over the place except for a few guys. There's been like 25 guys injured, Golliday is a puke of a wr and they sign guys off the scrap heap to dress 53. They could and probably will lose every game from here on out and I wouldn't lose a wink. They're ragtag at best. I believe in the staff and after a good draft next year plus more time in the system I fully expect better than this. But to think they were ever division contenders is laughable. I love this team and I always will but they overachieved and surprised us all..
It won’t matter who they  
DJ5150 : 11/21/2022 10:16 am : link
Draft…, they will all be injured and miss most of next season
Blackmax00  
M.S. : 11/21/2022 10:20 am : link

I believe that -- without all the crazy injuries -- especially to the WR and Secondary units, this team for all its "talent-deficits" could have made the playoffs... at least based on how the first half of the season unfolded.

But now the Giants ship is sailing into some serious shoals with maybe the wrong-sized anchor.
If Schoen/Daboll share your review..  
Sean : 11/21/2022 10:21 am : link
They’ll let Jones walk and possibly Barkley too.
RE: It won’t matter who they  
Giantology : 11/21/2022 10:23 am : link
In comment 15916422 DJ5150 said:
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Draft…, they will all be injured and miss most of next season


RE: If Schoen/Daboll share your review..  
Blackmax00 : 11/21/2022 10:24 am : link
In comment 15916434 Sean said:
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They’ll let Jones walk and possibly Barkley too.
I'm not sure what you're implying. But Jones and Barkley are the least of this teams concerns.
Lol  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 10:25 am : link
I love how good coaching, good game plans and executing well are considered “smoke and mirrors”.
Before the season  
k2tampa : 11/21/2022 10:26 am : link
virtually everyone complaining about this team and Jones would have been ecstatic with 7 wins. How many were saying 4 or 5 was the max? How many thought they would be in position to draft one of the top two QBs? Of course it's been smoke and mirrors. They have no receivers worth a damn (especially with Robinson's injuries). They have no middle linebackers. They have one (and right now no) real tight ends. They are thin at CB. They have suffered a huge amount of injuries to key people, from Jackson and Williams to late round draft picks. Every starting offensive lineman and several backups have been affected by injuries. Thankfully, Thomas' was minor. Last year that killed the team.

And NOW we have people complaining because they lost a game. And that they aren't REALLY worthy of the 7 wins in 10 games. Didn't Schoen tell us exactly that by not giving up high draft picks to try to sneak into the playoffs for a one and done?

They have massively overachieved. Enjoy it for what it is. The only downside to overachieving is they will be drafting later.
RE: RE: If Schoen/Daboll share your review..  
Sean : 11/21/2022 10:26 am : link
In comment 15916444 Blackmax00 said:
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They’ll let Jones walk and possibly Barkley too.

I'm not sure what you're implying. But Jones and Barkley are the least of this teams concerns.

They are pending free agents.
RE: Lol  
Blackmax00 : 11/21/2022 10:35 am : link
In comment 15916447 UConn4523 said:
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I love how good coaching, good game plans and executing well are considered “smoke and mirrors”.
They average 20pts a game. Hardly world beaters.
completely agree with the OP  
bluetothegrave : 11/21/2022 12:30 pm : link
It is nothing short of remarkable that we have won this many games with the lack of talent. Then you add in that every..every good player is hurt besides a handful. We will be overmatched from a talent perspective in every game the rest of the year. The roster is awful, just look at our team. Decimated as usual.
RE: RE: Lol  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15916476 Blackmax00 said:
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I love how good coaching, good game plans and executing well are considered “smoke and mirrors”.

They average 20pts a game. Hardly world beaters.


Not sure you know what smoke and mirrors means.
This is a team in year one of a rebuild  
GiantJake : 11/21/2022 1:04 pm : link
They turned over way more than half the roster and there is plenty of rebuild to go. I knew the unlikely number of early wins would bring out the unrealistic expectations. I also knew that games like yesterday were inevitable. The good news is that the early wins are, hopefully, a byproduct of implementing a good, winning system. The bad news is that the Giants roster still lacks high end talent and needs a lot more work. There is no way to sustain winning with all the injuries, roster shortages and this season's cap situation. Like it or not, the Giants are still a couple of good drafts and some smart free agent moves away from where they need to be. Their ability to coach the next man up is a great sign, but we really need to dial back the expectations and understand that overachieving and winding up with a draft pick in the 20's doesn't necessarily help with the team's long term plans.
RE: RE: RE: Lol  
Blackmax00 : 11/21/2022 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15916799 UConn4523 said:
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Quote:meaning they disguised lack of talent with good execution vs smashing you in the mouth for 60


In comment 15916447 UConn4523 said:


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I love how good coaching, good game plans and executing well are considered “smoke and mirrors”.

They average 20pts a game. Hardly world beaters.



Not sure you know what smoke and mirrors means.
My brain broke  
ZoneXDOA : 11/21/2022 4:10 pm : link
trying to figure out if you think they're good or lacking talent? You legit made both arguments at once.
RE: RE: If Schoen/Daboll share your review..  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/21/2022 5:49 pm : link
In comment 15916444 Blackmax00 said:
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They’ll let Jones walk and possibly Barkley too.

I'm not sure what you're implying. But Jones and Barkley are the least of this teams concerns.

They're both UFA after this season. I'd hope that they rank somewhere above "least" when it comes to the organization being concerned for both their present and future.
Where is the smoke and mirrors in these team attributes?  
NYGgolfer : 11/21/2022 5:59 pm : link
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Creative plays, good execution of said plays and guys buying in.



Fairly certain you don't know nor understand what "Smoke and mirrors" implies.
RE: RE: RE: If Schoen/Daboll share your review..  
Sean : 11/21/2022 6:02 pm : link
In comment 15917312 Gatorade Dunk said:
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They’ll let Jones walk and possibly Barkley too.

I'm not sure what you're implying. But Jones and Barkley are the least of this teams concerns.


They're both UFA after this season. I'd hope that they rank somewhere above "least" when it comes to the organization being concerned for both their present and future.

It’s like so many here don’t know they are pending free agents.
Smoke and mirrors implies that we are trying to trick people  
UConn4523 : 11/21/2022 6:06 pm : link
into believing something that we are not. In reality everyone knows that Giants don’t have a high powered passing attack and don’t have depth. The term would suggest Daboll is somehow faking his way to get these wins, lol.

It just isn’t a term to be used in sports where you actually have to play the game, which is all that matters and defines what you are as a team for everyone to see.
RE: It won’t matter who they  
5BowlsSoon : 11/21/2022 6:15 pm : link
In comment 15916422 DJ5150 said:
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Draft…, they will all be injured and miss most of next season


Lol….I’m starting to think that way too.
RE: Smoke and mirrors implies that we are trying to trick people  
NYGgolfer : 11/21/2022 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15917326 UConn4523 said:
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into believing something that we are not. In reality everyone knows that Giants don’t have a high powered passing attack and don’t have depth. The term would suggest Daboll is somehow faking his way to get these wins, lol.

It just isn’t a term to be used in sports where you actually have to play the game, which is all that matters and defines what you are as a team for everyone to see.


Exactly.

If teams cannot defend the non-dynamic NYG Offense at this point, or take advantage of our injuries/weaknesses on our Defense then that is their problem.

It isn't smoke and mirrors. It's THEY don't have adequate coaching or game plans.
RE: RE: If Schoen/Daboll share your review..  
GMen72 : 11/21/2022 11:23 pm : link
In comment 15916444 Blackmax00 said:
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They’ll let Jones walk and possibly Barkley too.

I'm not sure what you're implying. But Jones and Barkley are the least of this teams concerns.


Considering signing them might take up nearly 1/4 of the cap ($30+ and $15-16 mil), not exactly true. Giants are paying them $16ish million combined, that could triple...although it shouldn't.
Winning games is not smoke and mirrors  
sharp315 : 11/21/2022 11:33 pm : link
The rest of your points aren't bad. But you can't call winning games against quality opponents in the NFL 'smoke and mirrors'.
You can only out scheme a bad roster for so long  
cjac : 11/22/2022 7:58 am : link
eventually it was going to catch up to them. Not to mention this bad roster has a ton of starters injured. That certainly doesnt help
RE: You can only out scheme a bad roster for so long  
Blackmax00 : 11/22/2022 9:49 am : link
In comment 15917647 cjac said:
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eventually it was going to catch up to them. Not to mention this bad roster has a ton of starters injured. That certainly doesnt help

That's what I meant by smoke and mirrors. They are not pretending to be something they're not. They are however getting all they can out of the mess the previous regime left. They have overachieved clearly and earned every win but its not sustainable with injuries mounting.
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