Were the Giants looking past Detroit ?

No, I don't think they were looking past Detroit. Missing McKinley, it was a challenge to begin with. Losing BOTH corners??? MUCH taller order.

FWIW, Seattle figured out the code to beating the Giants. Rest of the schedule is brutal.

Don't get married to the outcomes of this seasons team. Try to enjoy what you can of the walking wounded, and pray they figure out how to quell the fucking injuries.

anyone with half a functioning brain knew that Detroit had more talent coming into this game, especially on offense.

Then factor in the injuries that we had during the game and we were simply outmanned.

Crazy things happen in the NFL.

Just look at what has happened to other teams so far this year.

No.

Live in the now.

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and not necessarily just the coaching staff. However, this Giants team isn't good enough yet to have that be the 'lone excuse'. Too many injuries, not enough talent and a perhaps the league 'figuring out' the Giants (and in Detroits case themselves too).

One team was up to the challenge and the other laid an egg in every facet of the game. Detroit certainly isn't much better than the Giants, despite the injuries, so one can certainly guess that they did in fact look past the Lions with a huge divisional game on Thanksgiving just a few days away.

I don't think they were looking past Detroit. They simply got outplayed:

(1) Detroit stoned our run game;
(2) Detroit made several key plays on offense;
(3) Detroit won the turn-over battle;
(4) Detroit tackled much better than the Giants.

And last but not least... while Detroit has its own injury issues, nothing quite compares to the decimation of this Giants team.

This is not the 70s and 80s where some teams had such a talent advantage they could play at 70% and win. There is too much parity now and every team can lose every week (yes, including Dallas next week).

Doing some prep for a Thursday game the week before is normal due to the compresses prep time. That does not mean that the coaches simply said “Ah, screw it. We’ll beat Detroit so let’s just focus on Dallas.”

There was another thread where someone suggested the Giants record now means teams are prepping for them. Every team they have played this year prepped for them. One thing that is different is that our first time HC and OC now have film and tendencies that they did not in the beginning of the year. That doesn’t mean other teams just started game planning for them.

In comment 15916544 Kmed6000 said:

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One team was up to the challenge and the other laid an egg in every facet of the game. Detroit certainly isn't much better than the Giants, despite the injuries, so one can certainly guess that they did in fact look past the Lions with a huge divisional game on Thanksgiving just a few days away.

Detroit's offensive line is one of the best in the NFL.

St Brown is a to NFL WR. Williams and Swift are one of the most underrated RB tandems in the NFL.

Their defense is extremely young and just starting to gel.

People really underestimate Detroit because they had a rough stretch of games. They are on an upwards trajectory and need to get their QB situation fleshed out, but they have a lot of talent.

In comment 15916557 Mike from Ohio said:

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This is not the 70s and 80s where some teams had such a talent advantage they could play at 70% and win. There is too much parity now and every team can lose every week (yes, including Dallas next week). Doing some prep for a Thursday game the week before is normal due to the compresses prep time. That does not mean that the coaches simply said “Ah, screw it. We’ll beat Detroit so let’s just focus on Dallas.” There was another thread where someone suggested the Giants record now means teams are prepping for them. Every team they have played this year prepped for them. One thing that is different is that our first time HC and OC now have film and tendencies that they did not in the beginning of the year. That doesn’t mean other teams just started game planning for them.

Great post. Especially that our tendencies are now on tape.

Daboll and his staff are doing the best they can with the players they have.

after the Giants went 3 and out and Detroit drove down the field helped by a stupid penalty, i said the Giants look flat..

Then they went right down the field and scored to go up and i said ok..

Turning point was the no call on wandale that would of gave them a 1st down past the 50 up 6-3 and then the Aidan INT after the Giants got a stop down 10-6 and slayton was wide open

I think their tank is more than half empty
Injuries take a toll on a team with the slimmest of margins to win. They need to play near perfect football to win

changed their defensive gameplan, i think he was going to follow Amon St Brown

In comment 15916562 nygiants16 said:

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after the Giants went 3 and out and Detroit drove down the field helped by a stupid penalty, i said the Giants look flat.. Then they went right down the field and scored to go up and i said ok.. Turning point was the no call on wandale that would of gave them a 1st down past the 50 up 6-3 and then the Aidan INT after the Giants got a stop down 10-6 and slayton was wide open

Regarding the "no call on Wan'Dale..."

I've seen plays like that go both ways -- sometimes it's flagged and sometimes not. IMHO, I didn't think it was a penalty since it did not look like it impeded his progress to the ball nor did it look like the arm to his waist twisted him into a position to prevent a catch.

In any event, it just wasn't our day yesterday with regards to penalties. I thought overall Detroit (unfairly) got the better of it.

In comment 15916573 M.S. said:

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In comment 15916562 nygiants16 said: Quote: after the Giants went 3 and out and Detroit drove down the field helped by a stupid penalty, i said the Giants look flat.. Then they went right down the field and scored to go up and i said ok.. Turning point was the no call on wandale that would of gave them a 1st down past the 50 up 6-3 and then the Aidan INT after the Giants got a stop down 10-6 and slayton was wide open Regarding the "no call on Wan'Dale..." I've seen plays like that go both ways -- sometimes it's flagged and sometimes not. IMHO, I didn't think it was a penalty since it did not look like it impeded his progress to the ball nor did it look like the arm to his waist twisted him into a position to prevent a catch. In any event, it just wasn't our day yesterday with regards to penalties. I thought overall Detroit (unfairly) got the better of it.

I agree but when you make that call on the Giants, you have to throw the flag on that..

Plus missing multiple false starts and delay of games

Detroit had a great game plan and completely outplayed the Giants

But players and coaches are human and if they had one eye on Dallas it may have taken the edge off their play.

The Giants looked so flat yesterday. They took really bad penalties, they were missing assignments, not tackling, and lost the physical battle.

It may be due to injuries but I can't help but think that they looked unprepared for what Detroit was doing and no answer.

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In comment 15916562 nygiants16 said:

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after the Giants went 3 and out and Detroit drove down the field helped by a stupid penalty, i said the Giants look flat.. Then they went right down the field and scored to go up and i said ok.. Turning point was the no call on wandale that would of gave them a 1st down past the 50 up 6-3 and then the Aidan INT after the Giants got a stop down 10-6 and slayton was wide open

Did you think the Giants were flat when they struggled to score in the first half of their other games this year? If not, why?

starting their first game of the season after coming back from serious injury against a tough defensive front loaded up to stop the run shouldn't be used as an excuse for the Giants poor performance

In comment 15916579 Archer said:

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Detroit had a great game plan and completely outplayed the Giants But players and coaches are human and if they had one eye on Dallas it may have taken the edge off their play. The Giants looked so flat yesterday. They took really bad penalties, they were missing assignments, not tackling, and lost the physical battle. It may be due to injuries but I can't help but think that they looked unprepared for what Detroit was doing and no answer.

Archer -- you make an interesting point, but of course it's just about impossible to prove it. In a similar vein, I mentioned yesterday that it looked like the Giants lost momentum after the Adoree Jackson injury. The air went out of their team balloon. But I can't prove that either.

For the Giants.

Even given the records, I told my wife before the game to not be surprised if the Giants lose to this team.

Dan Campbell's group is a lot better than their record.

They just were out-manned and outplayed.

Dude we have no players. Lions are a much better team in terms of personnel. People were looking at 7-2, Giants are the least talented team in the entirety of the NFL at this point in the season. It's not anyones fault really except the previous regime and maybe our turf or our Doctos. 16 years now Giants are #1 in lost man games due to injury. We weren't looking past anyone. We just don't have enough good players. They are all injured..as usual. Its remarkable. Dallas is going to destroy us on Thanksgiving, not even our fault. You can't win with all your good players hurt.

the no call on Robinson was a huge turning point in the game

In comment 15916602 gidiefor said:

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starting their first game of the season after coming back from serious injury against a tough defensive front loaded up to stop the run shouldn't be used as an excuse for the Giants poor performance

Having Peart and Lemieux back out there, and the resulting OL performance, gave me flashbacks to last year (and not good ones). Please move on from them

That's why it was foolish by many to say this was a "Trap game". Good teams have trap games. The Giants aren't there yet. Way too many injuries and a lack of talent, especially on offense, leaves me no choice but to give Daboll Coach of The Year for his miracle with this team.

That's why:

Any Given Sunday...

In comment 15916587 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15916562 nygiants16 said: Quote: after the Giants went 3 and out and Detroit drove down the field helped by a stupid penalty, i said the Giants look flat.. Then they went right down the field and scored to go up and i said ok.. Turning point was the no call on wandale that would of gave them a 1st down past the 50 up 6-3 and then the Aidan INT after the Giants got a stop down 10-6 and slayton was wide open Did you think the Giants were flat when they struggled to score in the first half of their other games this year? If not, why?

Because you can tell when a team is flat or things just arent working.

They just didnt look like the team we saw previous games, now when they scored the TD and drove right down the field i thought ok, they woke up..

Just felt like a sleepwalk

In comment 15916767 PatersonPlank said:

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In comment 15916602 gidiefor said: Quote: starting their first game of the season after coming back from serious injury against a tough defensive front loaded up to stop the run shouldn't be used as an excuse for the Giants poor performance Having Peart and Lemieux back out there, and the resulting OL performance, gave me flashbacks to last year (and not good ones). Please move on from them

Sounds like you had this statement pre-prepared to add here once those two had played a game. Lemieux I will give you..he was awful, but honestly, I didnt think Peart was all that bad at all. No worse than any other OL not named Thomas.

In comment 15916939 John In CO said:

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In comment 15916767 PatersonPlank said: Quote: In comment 15916602 gidiefor said: Quote: starting their first game of the season after coming back from serious injury against a tough defensive front loaded up to stop the run shouldn't be used as an excuse for the Giants poor performance Having Peart and Lemieux back out there, and the resulting OL performance, gave me flashbacks to last year (and not good ones). Please move on from them Sounds like you had this statement pre-prepared to add here once those two had played a game. Lemieux I will give you..he was awful, but honestly, I didnt think Peart was all that bad at all. No worse than any other OL not named Thomas.

John I have to disagree with you here on Peart. Numerous plays he was standing around not blocking anyone. There was the whiff on a rusher, McNeill I think. I have to believe he will be gone after this season. I think Lemeiux gets a year more if for depth alone.

The question is will they be able to stay out of a full spiral.