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So what's the recipe to beat Dallas?

Mike in Long Beach : 11/21/2022 10:45 am
Here's my best guess at it.

The Cowboys have allowed the 11th most rushing yards to opposing QBs this season. On the surface that's not exactly an eye-popping ranking. But the 10 teams ahead of them have allowed an average of 53.4 total carries to QBs. The Cowboys have allowed just 36 attempts (33% less).

Pretty obvious where I'm going with this. They seem pretty susceptible to mobile quarterbacks, and we certainly have one. We just have to utilize him; something it appears other teams haven't really done much of against Dallas.

We're a run-first team with Barkley. The play fakes need to be flawless, and Jones needs to get outside the tackles and be nearly perfect with his reads (in regards to running or finding an open target). Run that a lot early on. Get the middle of Dallas' defense to be leaning outside the tackles just a little bit. Maybe that'll free up a little bit of space for Barkley between the tackles.

Then with that... stretch the field with the passing game. If the threat to run is there, both with the quarterback and running back, the best opportunity to get big chunks in the passing game is to make it vertical. Slayton and Golladay (yeah, him) need to be at their best, especially down field.

As for the defense? I really don't know. Pollard is so dynamic, so my only hope is the Cowboys fall in love with Zeke after 2 TDs yesterday (both just 1 yard runs) against a team that didn't show up. If they do that and Dex/Williams can bottle him up on early downs, maybe Thibs can have his coming out party on thirds and get us the ball back.

It's a long shot, but that's the best shot IMO.
Converting a ton of 3rd downs and having long drives resulting in td's  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/21/2022 10:46 am : link
Keeping the Dallas offense off the field as much as possible seems to be the only shot. Might be a good game to even take a shot on a fake punt or other gadget. Going to take a massive effort.
long offense drives  
Giantsfan79 : 11/21/2022 10:47 am : link
Win the time of possession big and maybe win the game
TURNOVERS, and mistake free ball.  
x meadowlander : 11/21/2022 10:50 am : link
Not easy. Penalties ruin drives, both ways.

Expect a lot of Barkley and Scottish Hammer. Need to win field position battle, keep Dallas O off the field.

Offensively  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 10:50 am : link
the RPO is going to be a big part because it will slow down their defensive ends, they also have to control the clock and capitilize on all of their drives..

Defensively, if i am Wink, i am throwing the kitchen sink at Dak, make him throw it quick, the longer he has the more he is going to pick on these corners
RE: TURNOVERS, and mistake free ball.  
Bill in UT : 11/21/2022 10:51 am : link
In comment 15916539 x meadowlander said:
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Not easy. Penalties ruin drives, both ways.

Expect a lot of Barkley and Scottish Hammer. Need to win field position battle, keep Dallas O off the field.

This. We'd need to be +3 on TOs and not shoot ourselves in the foot
Unfortunately I don’t see a way to beat the Cowboys with our injuries  
Rick in Dallas : 11/21/2022 10:56 am : link
They will have a field day attacking our LB’s in the passing game with their RB ‘s and TE’s.
I don’t see our OL being able to control their DL. Bad matchup
Jones will be running away from pressure all game
truthfully  
dlauster : 11/21/2022 11:01 am : link
we need to play a near perfect game AND Dallas needs to make mistakes.
Have them not show up  
jeff57 : 11/21/2022 11:06 am : link
.
Fearful…..  
thrunthrublue : 11/21/2022 11:09 am : link
This will be a 7-10 season.
Lots Of Quick SHort Passes  
LTIsTheGreatest : 11/21/2022 11:12 am : link
Barkley needs to get in a rhythm, plus some option runs by Jones. Long sustained drives toi keep the Dallas offense off the field.
just think Daniel Jones  
Giantsfan79 : 11/21/2022 11:15 am : link
could make himself a lot of future money this weekend.
Turnovers,3rd down defense, and shorten the game.  
Bizfoodie : 11/21/2022 11:16 am : link
We need to force turnovers . Get off the field and shorten the game with long possessions that end in points.

Our defense isn’t equipped to shut down the cowboys if we allow them too many chances…it just isn’t going to happen.

If we get behind early we’re in deep deep trouble. The last thing we need is for parsons and Lawrence to sit back and rush Jones.

This is a bad matchup for us for many reasons. I’m usually an optimist but I don’t see many ways the giants win this game but then again it’s a division game you never know.
RE: Fearful…..  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/21/2022 11:18 am : link
In comment 15916596 thrunthrublue said:
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This will be a 7-10 season.


Think they will find a way to Split Washington and get the Indy game.

Problem is I don't see another loss on the Washington schedule besides 1 vs the Giants and San Fran. Its likely Dallas is sitting their players in the final game. So that gets them to 10-7.

Reminds me...  
RHPeel : 11/21/2022 11:19 am : link
The game this reminds me of is a Thursday night game the Giants played a few years ago against New England (10/10/19). Opponent has a really great defense, Giants are totally banged up, going on the road on a short week.

Giants played decently well that night, all things considered, but they got blown out in the end. I suspect a similar outcome this time. I don't see how they can hold out.

7-4 going into the later stretch of the season is something we would have all signed up for at the beginning of the year. But this week... all I see is pain.
RE: Unfortunately I don’t see a way to beat the Cowboys with our injuries  
Bizfoodie : 11/21/2022 11:29 am : link
In comment 15916560 Rick in Dallas said:
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They will have a field day attacking our LB’s in the passing game with their RB ‘s and TE’s.
I don’t see our OL being able to control their DL. Bad matchup
Jones will be running away from pressure all game


I would almost be tempted to play our safeties in the box or corners since our linebackers can’t shed blocks anyway lol. Atleast they would have a better chance matching up against pollard coming out of the backfield and the tight ends.

Thinking about Crowder or Jaylon smith In coverage against pollard is giving me nightmares.
Whats the recipe to lose by less than 20 pts ?  
averagejoe : 11/21/2022 11:33 am : link
This team has zero chance to hang with Cowboys on Thursday unless Dak throws 3 pic sixes . Half the team is now fresh off the practice squad. So sick of the depleted team every damn year. We go out there every year by mid-season with a JV roster.

Give them food poisoning.  
Blackmax00 : 11/21/2022 11:33 am : link
Seriously. There is no recipe to beat Dallas. If they score 10 I'd be surprised
Our only shot is to keep Gates in, get Neal back out there  
PatersonPlank : 11/21/2022 11:35 am : link
and run the ball. Win TOP, shorten the game, and just take enough deeper passing shots to keep their D honest
turnovers  
islander1 : 11/21/2022 11:46 am : link
only way we're going to compete if it we get +2 turnovers in the game, or more.
Send a better team  
David B. : 11/21/2022 12:01 pm : link
Than the Giants.
Have the Chiefs  
noro9 : 11/21/2022 12:05 pm : link
Wear Giants uniforms
Time machine  
thrunthrublue : 11/21/2022 12:07 pm : link
Send in a team when LT was at his peak.
A healthy roster  
Giant John : 11/21/2022 12:09 pm : link
Which we don’t and won’t have for some time to come. Sorry guys but I don’t see it in the cards.
there is no recipe  
bluetothegrave : 11/21/2022 12:36 pm : link
NOrmally this would be a great question but you can't overcome a roster that is as horrendous as ours with all the injuries. We have no players man.
Prescott is an average qb, I would blitz him a lot and force him to  
Jack Stroud : 11/21/2022 12:51 pm : link
make bad throws.
Prayer  
richinpa : 11/21/2022 12:58 pm : link
Pray DJ doesn't get torn up from a Peart playing RT
I do think Kafka and Daboll  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 1:02 pm : link
need to open up the offense a little bit and let Jones sling it a little and try to loosen the defense, that will open up some lanes for Barkley
RE: Prescott is an average qb, I would blitz him a lot and force him to  
thefan : 11/21/2022 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15916818 Jack Stroud said:
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make bad throws.


The Giants will not have a chance to blitz much. Dallas can probably run it up our asses for around 200 again like they did with the great Cooper Rush.
RE: RE: Prescott is an average qb, I would blitz him a lot and force him to  
OBJ_AllDay : 11/21/2022 1:17 pm : link
In comment 15916859 thefan said:
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In comment 15916818 Jack Stroud said:


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make bad throws.



The Giants will not have a chance to blitz much. Dallas can probably run it up our asses for around 200 again like they did with the great Cooper Rush.


Collins needs to be brought up immediately. He can atleast tackle and defend the run a bit.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/21/2022 1:20 pm : link
The way the Commanders beat the Eagles. Turnovers, bleeding the block, a bit of luck.
RE: RE: Prescott is an average qb, I would blitz him a lot and force him to  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15916859 thefan said:
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In comment 15916818 Jack Stroud said:


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make bad throws.



The Giants will not have a chance to blitz much. Dallas can probably run it up our asses for around 200 again like they did with the great Cooper Rush.


Giants also didnt have Leonard williams that game
Long drives, converting to TDs, TOP  
Matt M. : 11/21/2022 1:21 pm : link
Run it down their fucking throats, as well as playcalling to use their aggressiveness on D against them.

On D, stop the run, stop the run, stop the run and TACKLE and lay the wood on Prescott.
Well  
5BowlsSoon : 11/21/2022 1:47 pm : link
After watching us play and then watching them play….I’m waving the white flag….we just don’t have the horses to match up with them….even the great Vikings team looked pathetic. Are we better than them?
RE: Well  
nygiants16 : 11/21/2022 1:50 pm : link
In comment 15916927 5BowlsSoon said:
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After watching us play and then watching them play….I’m waving the white flag….we just don’t have the horses to match up with them….even the great Vikings team looked pathetic. Are we better than them?



Great Vikings team? all of their wins have been 1 score games just like the Giants
To the OP...  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/21/2022 2:03 pm : link
I think you might potentially be misinterpreting the QB rushing data.

If Dallas is that significant a percentage behind the average number of attempts of the top 10 worst defenses vs. QB rushing, I would consider the possibility that the Cowboys' defense might not be especially weak against designed QB runs, but instead has some assignment/integrity breakdowns when their own pass rush causes a broken play scramble.

That, in turn, results in a fair amount of QB rushing yards allowed, but may not suggest anything about a weakness in their defense that can be schemed against effectively. IMO, if Dallas was especially weak against designed runs by opposing QBs, you would eventually see the number of attempts tick upward toward the same volume as the teams that are ahead of the Cowboys in QB rushing yards allowed.

If that's not happening, then other opponents are not changing their tendencies based on what Dallas has put on tape. And that at least suggests that other teams aren't seeing that as a weakness in the Cowboys' defense, or they'd at least be trying to take advantage of that (especially since it would theoretically help neutralize Parsons on the pass rush if you could force him to stay home and maintain gap integrity).
RPO with Jones running when it makes sense  
US1 Giants : 11/21/2022 2:08 pm : link
but Jones has got to learn to slide feet first. Seemed yesterday to always go head first.
The recipe to beat Dallas calls for ingredients made up of  
NYGgolfer : 11/21/2022 2:09 pm : link
better players and healthier ones.

However, this is unlikely to occur by Thursday other than maybe Neal getting back on the field.

Start putting together your Christmas wish list though.
Have Jerry Jones Call The Plays  
Trainmaster : 11/21/2022 2:09 pm : link
Otherwise, with all the injuries, the Giants are likely going to get embarrassed on Thursday.

Well we cannot rely on their team plane..  
DefenseWins : 11/21/2022 2:19 pm : link
crashing into a mountain (which would be a horrible tragedy) because Dallas is playing at home.

Even if we were to knock Dak out early in the game, they are still a batter team with their backup QB.

I will keep beating this drum over and over. Our best shot at winning the game is to win in the trenches. Run the ball and stop the run. An extremely difficult challenge for us
RE: Fearful…..  
joeinpa : 11/21/2022 2:21 pm : link
In comment 15916596 thrunthrublue said:
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This will be a 7-10 season.


Lol. Way to hang tough Mike
The answer is controlling the Line of Scrimmage  
Simms11 : 11/21/2022 3:32 pm : link
on both sides of the ball. If we can run the ball and not turn it over, we have a very good chance of making this a competitive game. It’ll keep their offense off the field and keep the score down.
I'm concerned  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/21/2022 4:54 pm : link
Danny Dimes survives this one
RE: Prescott is an average qb, I would blitz him a lot and force him to  
joe48 : 11/21/2022 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15916818 Jack Stroud said:
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make bad throws.

Dak is good against the blitz. Disguise coverages. Dak is a one read QB. We need to somehow stop their run game and make Dak beat us.
Run, run, run and ummmmm run  
Boatie Warrant : 11/21/2022 5:22 pm : link
Then one pass. Then run some more.

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NYGgolfer : 11/21/2022 5:54 pm : link

Evan Neal had his worst have as a pro against the Cowboys.  
cosmicj : 11/21/2022 6:42 pm : link
DeMarcus Lawrence flat out humiliated him. I’m not sure whether Neal returning will make much of a difference.
In addition to the red challenge flag  
Waldo Jeffers : 11/21/2022 8:20 pm : link
(btw, that thing ain't a flag --it's more like a bag, but then the yellow flag ain't much of a flag either, but I digress.)

Anyway, much like the red challenge flag, in certain situations, like an outright slaughter, perhaps the coach should be able to literally wave a white flag.

There may be times when a pragmatic surrender would be preferable to a literal massacre

Thursday's game might be a good example as to why a white flag would make sense

On the other hand... "That's why they play the game," said an old gasbag we all once knew
and tolerated
My foolish response.  
solarmike : 11/21/2022 8:58 pm : link
Send them on Wed eve:

Booze, party girls and tell them that their next careers is rapping and Hollywood.

Problem is that this team is not the "Cocaine Cowboys" and the best defensive player wears #11 and not LT's # 56.
The first thing I wouldn’t do is overreact  
Section331 : 11/21/2022 8:58 pm : link
to an admittedly impressive performance yesterday. They looked pretty crappy against a mediocre GB team just last week. Will McCarthy have them ready to play on a short week? We’ll see.
Send a vial of monkey pox  
Joey in VA : 11/21/2022 9:14 pm : link
To their dressing room. We are going to get slaughtered.
Some top  
Joe Beckwith : 11/21/2022 9:30 pm : link
NJ hitmen taking out about 6 key Boys knees.

Or 6 OL and run the ball. AT the tackle eligible.
turnovers....  
BillKo : 11/21/2022 10:05 pm : link
plain and simple.

Games like these can swing on turnovers....
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